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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1028
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:31:00 -
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Well I have been very careful not to use up any of my suits that I got as event rewards in the hope that one day when we get player trading these cosmetic and rare items will fetch me a pretty price.
However my hopes have received a swift and terrible blow to a sensitive area.
#1Posted: 2013.09.10 05:58 | Report | Edited by: CCP Frame In the period of September 12th - 17th, we will have the following items available for purchase:
GÇó Federal Defense Union Scout G-I Pack [New]: 4000 AUR
So as you can see the FDU scout suits we got from the caldari prime event will no longer be as rare. What next will the Caldari suit from that event also become an AUR item, how about the Blackeagle suit?
Does anyone else find it really annoying that you complete an event for a "rare" item and a few months down the line it is now an AUR item. The only plus side to this is the FDU is quite a crap suit so I cant imagine to many will buy them the blackeagle however is great so if that became an AUR item its value would drop dramatically. Please CCP I am all for adding cosmetic items into the game but selling ones that are meant to be rewards just makes you seem lazy. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1900
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:33:00 -
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If there is one thing CCP can do, it is build an economy. |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
267
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:42:00 -
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Aurum is just another way to play with regular modules/ suits. Officer weapons will still be worth massive amounts in trade. If it isnt officer, leave it in your corp hanger or sell it - once we have the option. |
Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1028
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:48:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aurum is just another way to play with regular modules/ suits. Officer weapons will still be worth massive amounts in trade. If it isnt officer, leave it in your corp hanger or sell it - once we have the option.
Officer weapons will be worth trading but selling event rewards for aurum sets a bad precedent not only does it devalue the rewards, but if it sells well CCP may well think "Well the only way to get this item was to do X challenge/event but its selling well for AURUM." which could lead to "Well the only way to get this item is to find it randomly as salvage, I wonder if it will sell well for AURUM."
That is my fear devaluing rewards could potentially lead to the sale of officer weapons and then when we do get a player market the people who have stockpiled certain items could discover that they aren't worth as much as they thought because people have bought AUR ones instead. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1901
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:50:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aurum is just another way to play with regular modules/ suits. Officer weapons will still be worth massive amounts in trade. If it isnt officer, leave it in your corp hanger or sell it - once we have the option. Officer weapons will be worth trading but selling event rewards for aurum sets a bad precedent not only does it devalue the rewards, but if it sells well CCP may well think "Well the only way to get this item was to do X challenge/event but its selling well for AURUM." which could lead to "Well the only way to get this item is to find it randomly as salvage, I wonder if it will sell well for AURUM." That is my fear devaluing rewards could potentially lead to the sale of officer weapons and then when we do get a player market the people who have stockpiled certain items could discover that they aren't worth as much as they thought because people have bought AUR ones instead.
Again, CCP is very good with balancing an economy in a game. Colleges study EVE because it has the most robust, thriving economy. Like ever.
Whatever happens with trading and isk transfers between EVE and Dust, it will be rocky at first but they will handle it, i promise you |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
267
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Posted - 2013.09.10 11:56:00 -
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If you look at the EVE economy as the example, AUR and Plex, are used for cosmetic/ direct currency -isk conversion. Until the moment we see something like a deadspace or officer mod (High powered) on the market, I can not believe CCP will do that. They have always let the players drive the market while allowing an option for those who do not have the time to grind.
Event rewards that are just colorful normal suits, will be available at some point. Your reward is getting them before anyone else.
The black eagle can be viewed as a Scout/ Commando hybrid but nothing overpowered/ overly unique. |
Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1029
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:04:00 -
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Well never played EVE so I dont know what the economy is like there. I just saw this and wanted to know if anyone else was concerned but the replies mostly being about how good the economy is in EVE is a good sign. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1649
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:06:00 -
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The only way I see the economy being borked, is from the various corporations who having already earned 150 billion + (through exploiting the unbalanced Planetary Conquest system). When the player economy is released those corps with that kind of ISK, could really mess with the market; let alone the AURUM market! |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1909
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:09:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:The only way I see the economy being borked, is from the various corporations who having already earned 150 billion + (through exploiting the unbalanced Planetary Conquest system). When the player economy is released those corps with that kind of ISK, could really mess with the market; let alone the AURUM market!
Dust isk is irrelevant. Once EVE opens up, the floodgates are opening for lack of a better term.
For instance....having a single system in EVE is basically 50 bil a month if im not mistaken.
You think we have money......we dont. |
JL3Eleven
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
790
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:15:00 -
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CCp never said the Black Eagle suit was rare. In fact they said it would be available in future events. |
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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1029
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:17:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:CCp never said the Black Eagle suit was rare. In fact they said it would be available in future events.
Really? anyway being an event reward is still going to make it more rare than it being buyable (unless its crap) anyway I suppose I am just QQing because I had big plans/possible scams lined up for those suits. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
356
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:20:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:The only way I see the economy being borked, is from the various corporations who having already earned 150 billion + (through exploiting the unbalanced Planetary Conquest system). When the player economy is released those corps with that kind of ISK, could really mess with the market; let alone the AURUM market!
Thats sounds like the 2 guys who bought practically the entire grain market a few years back, they bought so much grain, th at they litterally couldn't sell it, they owned such a large stake, that if the sold any, it instantly lost value and they could only sell it a 2p a kg, even when the current price on the market was -ú2 a kg, they had to wait for the market to expand around them, and they lost tonnes of money in the end!! |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1910
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:22:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Lt Royal wrote:The only way I see the economy being borked, is from the various corporations who having already earned 150 billion + (through exploiting the unbalanced Planetary Conquest system). When the player economy is released those corps with that kind of ISK, could really mess with the market; let alone the AURUM market! Thats sounds like the 2 guys who bought practically the entire grain market a few years back, they bought so much grain, th at they litterally couldn't sell it, they owned such a large stake, that if the sold any, it instantly lost value and they could only sell it a 2p a kg, even when the current price on the market was -ú2 a kg, they had to wait for the market to expand around them, and they lost tonnes of money in the end!!
Economic warfare is a huge part of PVP in EVE, or at least it can be.
Dust is a skeleton right now, CCP is still fleshing this stuff out. e.g. they just got hit detection in a good spot |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:23:00 -
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You probs dont know what real "rare" is do you? Example: "balacs modified Ck.0 dropsuit" What makes it so worthfull? Well first off it has 4 high and 4 low slots which is unique in the assault category but to make it even more interesting is the fact that you have aswell 2 equipment slots avaible. Which turns it into probably the best suit in the whole game. And the only people who got a set off 25 suits where the 2 corperations which where in the final from the closed beta tourny. |
OgTheEnigma
Seraphim Initiative..
158
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:29:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:You probs dont know what real "rare" is do you? Example: "balacs modified Ck.0 dropsuit" What makes it so worthfull? Well first off it has 4 high and 4 low slots which is unique in the assault category but to make it even more interesting is the fact that you have aswell 2 equipment slots avaible. Which turns it into probably the best suit in the whole game. And the only people who got a set off 25 suits where the 2 corperations which where in the final from the closed beta tourny. Only problem is that you need the Caldari Medium lvl 5 skill to use it, which is a waste of SP, and then you're still lacking the Assault shield bonuses. I'd happily sell mine if they went for a very good price (at least 10 million per suit). |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
356
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Posted - 2013.09.10 12:34:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Lt Royal wrote:The only way I see the economy being borked, is from the various corporations who having already earned 150 billion + (through exploiting the unbalanced Planetary Conquest system). When the player economy is released those corps with that kind of ISK, could really mess with the market; let alone the AURUM market! Thats sounds like the 2 guys who bought practically the entire grain market a few years back, they bought so much grain, th at they litterally couldn't sell it, they owned such a large stake, that if the sold any, it instantly lost value and they could only sell it a 2p a kg, even when the current price on the market was -ú2 a kg, they had to wait for the market to expand around them, and they lost tonnes of money in the end!! Economic warfare is a huge part of PVP in EVE, or at least it can be. Dust is a skeleton right now, CCP is still fleshing this stuff out. e.g. they just got hit detection in a good spot
Im not clued in on the eve market, but an unpoliced player market usually forms its own robust economy!! I mean lets say on the first day EON realiease a load of proto salvage weapons, for dirt cheap, the smaller vendors will undercut them, because they can afford to, now all that time the EON gear gathers dust, no matter how much they drop the vendors will drop lower, however you will reach a point where the gear is cheap and common everyman and his dog is selling 50 for a dime, now this could cause the market to crash, but a vendor decides to sell adv gear even cheaper,
its snapped up, so people loose interest in 50 copies of proto when they can get 200 copies of adv for the same price, now people buying proto is rare, so it rises in price and the cycle continues!! |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1683
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:01:00 -
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Wow. Lots of posters here are missing the point. Let's ignore that CCP is quite capable of building a robust economy and focus on the fact they are eroding the value of limited run event items by offering them up for purchase.
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
356
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:07:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Wow. Lots of posters here are missing the point. Let's ignore that CCP is quite capable of building a robust economy and focus on the fact they are eroding the value of limited run event items by offering them up for purchase.
If you are prepared to pay real money, just to flood the market with em, to make a little non redeemable in game mega currency sure, but who is dum enough to do that?? |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
934
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:01:00 -
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NOOOO that's my favorite scout suit!
NOBODY BUY THIS PACK!
...I'm totally gonna buy it...no self control... |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
357
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:03:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:NOOOO that's my favorite scout suit!
NOBODY BUY THIS PACK!
...I'm totally gonna buy it...no self control...
What if I bought some and charged you 3mil isk a suit? |
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
937
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:24:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:NOOOO that's my favorite scout suit!
NOBODY BUY THIS PACK!
...I'm totally gonna buy it...no self control... What if I bought some and charged you 3mil isk a suit? DEAL!
*transfers isk* |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
369
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:49:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:NOOOO that's my favorite scout suit!
NOBODY BUY THIS PACK!
...I'm totally gonna buy it...no self control... What if I bought some and charged you 3mil isk a suit? DEAL! *transfers isk*
Umm, dreadfully sorry pal but I'm having cash flow problems, :-P!!
But you get my earlier point with hm the grain!! |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8274
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:49:00 -
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Players will determine their own economy. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
369
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:55:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Players will determine their own economy.
Thats it? Oh, well that was worth the wait!! Why? How do you think it will happen, what will drive the costs, if T3 weapon customization happens will players sell, prefabs, construcor kits, that kind of thing, will we be able to sell multiple items as a bundle or kit, or something, what do you think? |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
971
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:30:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:If there is one thing CCP can do, it is build an economy.
First and got it correct. +10 to you sir. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
971
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:35:00 -
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http://themittani.com/news/first-moracha-destroyed |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8281
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:36:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Players will determine their own economy. Thats it? Oh, well that was worth the wait!! Why? How do you think it will happen, what will drive the costs, if T3 weapon customization happens will players sell, prefabs, construcor kits, that kind of thing, will we be able to sell multiple items as a bundle or kit, or something, what do you think?
Players have always managed to figure out their own prices, they're pretty smart marketeers and tycoons involved in either game so the economy will balance itself out. Demand and Supply will be player wrought and wrung. |
Halfwings Warbringer
ThislsWhyimhot
37
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:39:00 -
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Don't be a ****, u got it for free , let Ccp make some more money to keep this game running |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
169
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:41:00 -
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I was really hoping no more event suits would be available felt neat knowing I have something that is not available to many others now I don't feel they are any better then the risk variant. Shame |
Hellkeizer
The Avutora Complex
73
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Players will determine their own economy. Thats it? Oh, well that was worth the wait!! Why? How do you think it will happen, what will drive the costs, if T3 weapon customization happens will players sell, prefabs, construcor kits, that kind of thing, will we be able to sell multiple items as a bundle or kit, or something, what do you think? Players have always managed to figure out their own prices, they're pretty smart marketeers and tycoons involved in either game so the economy will balance itself out. Demand and Supply will be player wrought and wrung. So will industry follow shortly after/on the same update or will it be awhile for that? |
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
371
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:43:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Players will determine their own economy. Thats it? Oh, well that was worth the wait!! Why? How do you think it will happen, what will drive the costs, if T3 weapon customization happens will players sell, prefabs, construcor kits, that kind of thing, will we be able to sell multiple items as a bundle or kit, or something, what do you think? Players have always managed to figure out their own prices, they're pretty smart marketeers and tycoons involved in either game so the economy will balance itself out. Demand and Supply will be player wrought and wrung.
You missed the other half of the question Iron? What about prefabs and kitcar items do you think they will be allowed? |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
971
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:51:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:NOOOO that's my favorite scout suit!
NOBODY BUY THIS PACK!
...I'm totally gonna buy it...no self control... What if I bought some and charged you 3mil isk a suit?
If/when they should you would get 3m each. The point is that when they say you are getting a rare object you are getting a rare object. Someone may buy every one they can just to raise the price. So what, it is fun.
We have a way to transfer money next we need player trading. After that we need contracts and then the market. The next step is the bridging the gap to EVE and ISK transfer between them. EVE has the blueprints and will start production. The NPC market will stop making goods slowly and EVE side will ramp up accordingly. That is the process I would use. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
371
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:58:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:NOOOO that's my favorite scout suit!
NOBODY BUY THIS PACK!
...I'm totally gonna buy it...no self control... What if I bought some and charged you 3mil isk a suit? If/when they should you would get 3m each. The point is that when they say you are getting a rare object you are getting a rare object. Someone may buy every one they can just to raise the price. So what, it is fun. We have a way to transfer money next we need player trading. After that we need contracts and then the market. The next step is the bridging the gap to EVE and ISK transfer between them. EVE has the blueprints and will start production. The NPC market will stop making goods slowly and EVE side will ramp up accordingly. That is the process I would use.
Indeed, I w I uld love for the NPC maarket to be taken down, also while you should be able to buy from a neocom, Id like to have c a grand b azzare like area filled with holo stalls, proximity chat and the like, make it feel like there is universe besides the battlefield!! |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
460
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Posted - 2013.09.11 00:02:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:NOOOO that's my favorite scout suit!
NOBODY BUY THIS PACK!
...I'm totally gonna buy it...no self control... What if I bought some and charged you 3mil isk a suit? If/when they should you would get 3m each. The point is that when they say you are getting a rare object you are getting a rare object. Someone may buy every one they can just to raise the price. So what, it is fun. We have a way to transfer money next we need player trading. After that we need contracts and then the market. The next step is the bridging the gap to EVE and ISK transfer between them. EVE has the blueprints and will start production. The NPC market will stop making goods slowly and EVE side will ramp up accordingly. That is the process I would use. The problem is ... you can't have DUST reliant on Eve to manufacture it's items ... this would just cause isk flow from DUST to Eve ... the wrong way round from the original plan for DUST to be the isk sink. I don't know, maybe the plans changed.
But this is why I say we need some kind of industry/manufacture DUST side cos being reliant on Eve to provide for DUST isn't going to work out too well ... trust me |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4095
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Posted - 2013.09.11 00:05:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Players will determine their own economy. Thats it? Oh, well that was worth the wait!! Why? How do you think it will happen, what will drive the costs, if T3 weapon customization happens will players sell, prefabs, construcor kits, that kind of thing, will we be able to sell multiple items as a bundle or kit, or something, what do you think? Players have always managed to figure out their own prices, they're pretty smart marketeers and tycoons involved in either game so the economy will balance itself out. Demand and Supply will be player wrought and wrung. You missed the other half of the question Iron? What about prefabs and kitcar items do you think they will be allowed?
Industry will be directly involved in the Dust economy once everything is sorted out. Balancing it will take time because it is VERY IMPORTANT to do so. It's important to balance out the economy first in Dust because Dust's economy will soon merge directly with the Eve Online economy.
If anything I predict the following would happen once the economy is up and running.
Imagine a future in which Dust players fight for control of planetary resources that are NOT clones like you see now. Maybe the clones will still be an important commodity, but not as much as the other commodities... minerals. Then imagine a Dust corp controlling multiple planets that pump out key minerals needed for production. The Dust corp in the meantime manages to negotiate a good deal with an Eve corp that has already established a very solid and lucrative production line. Dust corp acquires the minerals and sells them for cheap to the Eve corp and then the Eve corp uses those minerals produce infantry gear needed for further planetary domination and then sells them directly to the Dust corp.
But then let's assume that the Dust corp and the Eve corp cut their ties and decide to go their separate ways. The Dust corp could just put the minerals up in the open market for other Eve corps or individual players to buy while the other Eve corps simply do the same thing with their infantry gear for Dust corps or individual players to buy.
I makes sense this way because Eve Online has had a 10-year head start in regards to their economy and industry and there are countless corps and alliances out there that have established solid production chains that can help a well-managed corp pump out large volumes of an item and sell it at wholesale levels. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
938
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Posted - 2013.09.11 00:05:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:NOOOO that's my favorite scout suit!
NOBODY BUY THIS PACK!
...I'm totally gonna buy it...no self control... What if I bought some and charged you 3mil isk a suit? DEAL! *transfers isk* Umm, dreadfully sorry pal but I'm having cash flow problems, :-P!! But you get my earlier point with hm the grain!! ...sooooooo...no refunds? |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
182
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Posted - 2013.09.11 00:07:00 -
[37] - Quote
Medic 1879 wrote:Well I have been very careful not to use up any of my suits that I got as event rewards in the hope that one day when we get player trading these cosmetic and rare items will fetch me a pretty price.
However my hopes have received a swift and terrible blow to a sensitive area.
#1Posted: 2013.09.10 05:58 | Report | Edited by: CCP Frame In the period of September 12th - 17th, we will have the following items available for purchase:
GÇó Federal Defense Union Scout G-I Pack [New]: 4000 AUR
So as you can see the FDU scout suits we got from the caldari prime event will no longer be as rare. What next will the Caldari suit from that event also become an AUR item, how about the Blackeagle suit?
Does anyone else find it really annoying that you complete an event for a "rare" item and a few months down the line it is now an AUR item. The only plus side to this is the FDU is quite a crap suit so I cant imagine to many will buy them the blackeagle however is great so if that became an AUR item its value would drop dramatically. Please CCP I am all for adding cosmetic items into the game but selling ones that are meant to be rewards just makes you seem lazy.
This happens in other F2P games, and is always followed by a community uproar. Personally, I agree with you. Rare event rewards need to remain as such. If people want them, buy them from the people who earned them. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4095
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Posted - 2013.09.11 00:09:00 -
[38] - Quote
Thor McStrut wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Well I have been very careful not to use up any of my suits that I got as event rewards in the hope that one day when we get player trading these cosmetic and rare items will fetch me a pretty price.
However my hopes have received a swift and terrible blow to a sensitive area.
#1Posted: 2013.09.10 05:58 | Report | Edited by: CCP Frame In the period of September 12th - 17th, we will have the following items available for purchase:
GÇó Federal Defense Union Scout G-I Pack [New]: 4000 AUR
So as you can see the FDU scout suits we got from the caldari prime event will no longer be as rare. What next will the Caldari suit from that event also become an AUR item, how about the Blackeagle suit?
Does anyone else find it really annoying that you complete an event for a "rare" item and a few months down the line it is now an AUR item. The only plus side to this is the FDU is quite a crap suit so I cant imagine to many will buy them the blackeagle however is great so if that became an AUR item its value would drop dramatically. Please CCP I am all for adding cosmetic items into the game but selling ones that are meant to be rewards just makes you seem lazy. This happens in other F2P games, and is always followed by a community uproar. Personally, I agree with you. Rare event rewards need to remain as such. If people want them, buy them from the people who earned them.
Exactly. Remember the snow balls in Eve? |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
460
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Posted - 2013.09.11 00:14:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:NOOOO that's my favorite scout suit!
NOBODY BUY THIS PACK!
...I'm totally gonna buy it...no self control... What if I bought some and charged you 3mil isk a suit? If/when they should you would get 3m each. The point is that when they say you are getting a rare object you are getting a rare object. Someone may buy every one they can just to raise the price. So what, it is fun. We have a way to transfer money next we need player trading. After that we need contracts and then the market. The next step is the bridging the gap to EVE and ISK transfer between them. EVE has the blueprints and will start production. The NPC market will stop making goods slowly and EVE side will ramp up accordingly. That is the process I would use. Indeed, I w I uld love for the NPC maarket to be taken down, also while you should be able to buy from a neocom, Id like to have c a grand b azzare like area filled with holo stalls, proximity chat and the like, make it feel like there is universe besides the battlefield!! There's no reason we can't have the secondary market open ... not connected to Eve for a long time yet ... but open for us to buy and sell our salvage stuff and carefully balance salvage rates to maintain the economy within DUST.
Then you can start to consider how it will merge with Eve market and how manufacture will need to be implemented etc. knowing how the market has balanced out over time.
We all have plenty of unwanted salvage now so we could populate the market with sell orders ... problem is I'm not sure ALL items are seeded in the loot table, or that salvage is sufficient to maintain supply to meet demand, or that the community we have is intelligent enough not to completely screw it all up either intentionally or by incompetence seeing as the market spectrum is so small when compared to that in Eve (ie. we don't have many different things to sell and living with 5% of them screwed up at any one time while a minor hindrance in Eve could be game breaking to DUST) |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
971
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Posted - 2013.09.11 02:32:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:NOOOO that's my favorite scout suit!
NOBODY BUY THIS PACK!
...I'm totally gonna buy it...no self control... What if I bought some and charged you 3mil isk a suit? If/when they should you would get 3m each. The point is that when they say you are getting a rare object you are getting a rare object. Someone may buy every one they can just to raise the price. So what, it is fun. We have a way to transfer money next we need player trading. After that we need contracts and then the market. The next step is the bridging the gap to EVE and ISK transfer between them. EVE has the blueprints and will start production. The NPC market will stop making goods slowly and EVE side will ramp up accordingly. That is the process I would use. Indeed, I w I uld love for the NPC maarket to be taken down, also while you should be able to buy from a neocom, Id like to have c a grand b azzare like area filled with holo stalls, proximity chat and the like, make it feel like there is universe besides the battlefield!! There's no reason we can't have the secondary market open ... not connected to Eve for a long time yet ... but open for us to buy and sell our salvage stuff and carefully balance salvage rates to maintain the economy within DUST. Then you can start to consider how it will merge with Eve market and how manufacture will need to be implemented etc. knowing how the market has balanced out over time. We all have plenty of unwanted salvage now so we could populate the market with sell orders ... problem is I'm not sure ALL items are seeded in the loot table, or that salvage is sufficient to maintain supply to meet demand, or that the community we have is intelligent enough not to completely screw it all up either intentionally or by incompetence seeing as the market spectrum is so small when compared to that in Eve (ie. we don't have many different things to sell and living with 5% of them screwed up at any one time while a minor hindrance in Eve could be game breaking to DUST)
If supply was meeting the demand then it wouldn't rare. It will work itself out as less and less salvage items hit the market the price will rise until a price is set. Let the market work. People are stupid and will screw it up but the market will end up fixing itself. Salvage rates will have to be tweaked but it will find a nice ebb and flow. Don't bee to scared, the good Doctor will be pulling strings and making us dance. Free markets are fun. |
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.11 02:49:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Well I have been very careful not to use up any of my suits that I got as event rewards in the hope that one day when we get player trading these cosmetic and rare items will fetch me a pretty price.
However my hopes have received a swift and terrible blow to a sensitive area.
#1Posted: 2013.09.10 05:58 | Report | Edited by: CCP Frame In the period of September 12th - 17th, we will have the following items available for purchase:
GÇó Federal Defense Union Scout G-I Pack [New]: 4000 AUR
So as you can see the FDU scout suits we got from the caldari prime event will no longer be as rare. What next will the Caldari suit from that event also become an AUR item, how about the Blackeagle suit?
Does anyone else find it really annoying that you complete an event for a "rare" item and a few months down the line it is now an AUR item. The only plus side to this is the FDU is quite a crap suit so I cant imagine to many will buy them the blackeagle however is great so if that became an AUR item its value would drop dramatically. Please CCP I am all for adding cosmetic items into the game but selling ones that are meant to be rewards just makes you seem lazy.
did plex ruin the eve economy? no....... |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.11 02:55:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Well I have been very careful not to use up any of my suits that I got as event rewards in the hope that one day when we get player trading these cosmetic and rare items will fetch me a pretty price.
However my hopes have received a swift and terrible blow to a sensitive area.
#1Posted: 2013.09.10 05:58 | Report | Edited by: CCP Frame In the period of September 12th - 17th, we will have the following items available for purchase:
GÇó Federal Defense Union Scout G-I Pack [New]: 4000 AUR
So as you can see the FDU scout suits we got from the caldari prime event will no longer be as rare. What next will the Caldari suit from that event also become an AUR item, how about the Blackeagle suit?
Does anyone else find it really annoying that you complete an event for a "rare" item and a few months down the line it is now an AUR item. The only plus side to this is the FDU is quite a crap suit so I cant imagine to many will buy them the blackeagle however is great so if that became an AUR item its value would drop dramatically. Please CCP I am all for adding cosmetic items into the game but selling ones that are meant to be rewards just makes you seem lazy. did plex ruin the eve economy? no.......
If anything, it boosted the economy. In fact, it boosted CCP's bottom line as well. Both players and CCP benefited from it. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
969
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Posted - 2013.09.11 03:29:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Marston VC wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Well I have been very careful not to use up any of my suits that I got as event rewards in the hope that one day when we get player trading these cosmetic and rare items will fetch me a pretty price.
However my hopes have received a swift and terrible blow to a sensitive area.
#1Posted: 2013.09.10 05:58 | Report | Edited by: CCP Frame In the period of September 12th - 17th, we will have the following items available for purchase:
GÇó Federal Defense Union Scout G-I Pack [New]: 4000 AUR
So as you can see the FDU scout suits we got from the caldari prime event will no longer be as rare. What next will the Caldari suit from that event also become an AUR item, how about the Blackeagle suit?
Does anyone else find it really annoying that you complete an event for a "rare" item and a few months down the line it is now an AUR item. The only plus side to this is the FDU is quite a crap suit so I cant imagine to many will buy them the blackeagle however is great so if that became an AUR item its value would drop dramatically. Please CCP I am all for adding cosmetic items into the game but selling ones that are meant to be rewards just makes you seem lazy. did plex ruin the eve economy? no....... If anything, it boosted the economy. In fact, it boosted CCP's bottom line as well. Both players and CCP benefited from it.
Exactly..... not to mention that players who play the game enough simply wont be forced to buy things to stay competitive. Need that monthy booster? save up 20 million or whatever the rate would be when the market is added and go ahead and buy either the booster directly, or the appropriate amount of AUR off somebody. simple as that! |
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