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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:32:00 -
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Im making my own thread about this because it seems most people are dumbed down to think kb/m is so much better then a gamepad that gamepads need aim assist.
That statement is untrue, as someone who plays mainly PC fps's I use nothing BUT a gamepad, iv played in PC tourneys with gamepads and came in high standings. It seems only console players need aim assist because they've been babied their whole gaming life by aim assist.
In short, console players, get good, CCP remove aim assist and console babies, stop propagating kb/m is better than a gamepad, nether are better, both can be used equally well by those skilled in their prefered imput device.
Also CCP, since turn rates out the window, give both kb/m AND gamepads raw imput. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:36:00 -
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Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:38:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Im making my own thread about this because it seems most people are dumbed down to think kb/m is so much better then a gamepad that gamepads need aim assist.
That statement is untrue, as someone who plays mainly PC fps's I use nothing BUT a gamepad, iv played in PC tourneys with gamepads and came in high standings. It seems only console players need aim assist because they've been babied their whole gaming life by aim assist.
In short, console players, get good, CCP remove aim assist and console babies, stop propagating kb/m is better than a gamepad, nether are better, both can be used equally well by those skilled in their prefered imput device.
Also CCP, since turn rates out the window, give both kb/m AND gamepads raw imput. It's a PS3 game. Why don't you just use the gamepad? Now, I love using keyboard and mouse as much as anyone. It's the heart of every FPS game, but I don't have that option so I am stuck with the gamepad. It's really not that hard to just learn how to use the gamepad. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
162
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:41:00 -
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Spycrab Potato wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Im making my own thread about this because it seems most people are dumbed down to think kb/m is so much better then a gamepad that gamepads need aim assist.
That statement is untrue, as someone who plays mainly PC fps's I use nothing BUT a gamepad, iv played in PC tourneys with gamepads and came in high standings. It seems only console players need aim assist because they've been babied their whole gaming life by aim assist.
In short, console players, get good, CCP remove aim assist and console babies, stop propagating kb/m is better than a gamepad, nether are better, both can be used equally well by those skilled in their prefered imput device.
Also CCP, since turn rates out the window, give both kb/m AND gamepads raw imput. It's a PS3 game. Why don't you just use the gamepad? Now, I love using keyboard and mouse as much as anyone. It's the heart of every FPS game, but I don't have that option so I am stuck with the gamepad. It's really not that hard to just learn how to use the gamepad.
DId you even read my post? I USE A GAMEPAD. |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
539
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:46:00 -
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Exceptions to every rule, or you were using aim assist without realising (or admitting) it. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
162
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:49:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:Exceptions to every rule, or you were using aim assist without realising (or admitting) it.
PC games dont have 1st party support aim assist, nor do they allow aim assist in any serious tourney. If I can be good with a gamepad than everyone else has a fair chance given practice to be good with a gamepad. Its called practice. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
306
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:49:00 -
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the aim assist is nice.. but i havent noticed much of a difference
from 1.3 other than the armor buff..
of course i can actually aim with out aim assist any ways..
and ive still been seeing players spray and pray even with the aim assist.. |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
539
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:50:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:mama I just killed a man Put a gun against his head Pulled the trigger, now he's dead
Couldn't help it |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
162
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:51:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:the aim assist is nice.. but i havent noticed much of a difference
from 1.3 other than the armor buff..
of course i can actually aim with out aim assist any ways..
and ive still been seeing players spray and pray even with the aim assist..
I used my alt who is skilled into scrambler rifles as a test of aim assist. Before 1.4 I was steady at 15 - 20 kills in an ambush with 0 - 4 deaths. With aim assist on Iv since gone 30 - 40 kills in ambush with 0 - 2 deaths. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Beyond Hypothetical Box
159
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:51:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Im making my own thread about this because it seems most people are dumbed down to think kb/m is so much better then a gamepad that gamepads need aim assist.
That statement is untrue, as someone who plays mainly PC fps's I use nothing BUT a gamepad, iv played in PC tourneys with gamepads and came in high standings. It seems only console players need aim assist because they've been babied their whole gaming life by aim assist.
In short, console players, get good, CCP remove aim assist and console babies, stop propagating kb/m is better than a gamepad, nether are better, both can be used equally well by those skilled in their prefered imput device.
Also CCP, since turn rates out the window, give both kb/m AND gamepads raw imput. Sorry man but this is BS. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3734
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:52:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:CLONE117 wrote:the aim assist is nice.. but i havent noticed much of a difference
from 1.3 other than the armor buff..
of course i can actually aim with out aim assist any ways..
and ive still been seeing players spray and pray even with the aim assist.. I used my alt who is skilled into scrambler rifles as a test of aim assist. Before 1.4 I was steady at 15 - 20 kills in an ambush with 0 - 4 deaths. With aim assist on Iv since gone 30 - 40 kills in ambush with 0 - 2 deaths. Of course, it's not at all possible that you're simply getting better results because of the improved hit detection. Obviously.
NOTE: I agree with people saying the aim assist is probably a bit heavy-handed, but I haven't seen evidence of it being too offensive since day one of the new build. Also, I turned it off and I do fine - slightly better than with it on, in fact. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
162
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:53:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:CLONE117 wrote:the aim assist is nice.. but i havent noticed much of a difference
from 1.3 other than the armor buff..
of course i can actually aim with out aim assist any ways..
and ive still been seeing players spray and pray even with the aim assist.. I used my alt who is skilled into scrambler rifles as a test of aim assist. Before 1.4 I was steady at 15 - 20 kills in an ambush with 0 - 4 deaths. With aim assist on Iv since gone 30 - 40 kills in ambush with 0 - 2 deaths. Of course, it's not at all possible that you're simply getting better results because of the improved hit detection. Obviously.
Still only log my 1.3 stats with aim assist off. |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
539
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:55:00 -
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It is worth noting that there are physical limitations with game pads that mean with players of equal skill in their preferred input method, KBM will come out top nearly every time. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
162
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:56:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:It is worth noting that there are physical limitations with game pads that mean with players of equal skill in their preferred input method, KBM will come out top every time.
Not at all, the only limitations with gamepads is currently "in house" limitations such as sensitivity controls. When gamepads are given raw imput they no longer suffer such things. |
Green Living
0uter.Heaven
826
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:56:00 -
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Yeah, I have maintained a 5kdr with the gamepad. Granted CQC, KBM generally destroys me due to the fact they can out-strafe me with ease. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
162
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:58:00 -
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Green Living wrote:Yeah, I have maintained a 5kdr with the gamepad. Granted CQC, KBM generally destroys me due to the fact they can out-strafe me with ease.
Which is a problem because gamepads are not given raw imput. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
816
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:59:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:In short, console players, get good. Wait, lets examine this quote more.
Once more,
Realize who you are speaking of.
Just please.
There has been aim assist since COD was conceived.
It isn't "Vet Killer"
Its playing field equalizer.
Who's better here...
This guy can turn a full 180 on a dime Can Aim like a laser Changes direction as fast as a car doing donuts can Has the ability to remember how to do 30+ things without having to think about it.
Or....
He can access his equipment.
See the imbalance?
The Blatant imbalance, which, like it or not, was intentional. It was intentional ever since CCP decided to put KBM support on DUST.
That is all. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1155
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Posted - 2013.09.06 00:59:00 -
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As you play more it becomes more and more apparent. Perhaps it's the hit detection as much as it is aim assist, but it's sooo much harder to survive.
I know a lot of folks who have just gone to blueprints. You die in .3 seconds instead of .5 seconds but won't go broke.
I notice zero difference between an exile or a GEK. They both cut through suits like they're butter. |
We are 138
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
365
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:01:00 -
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Jeez. I wish all of you would shut the hell up about the aim assist. I don't see its supposed miracle like effects. In my own findings my performance is about the same as it has been the only thing I have really noticed is that my hip fire is a lot more accurate at close range. Honestly, do you think this flood of tears is going to change any thing? Its just more qq, so please grab a towel and dry your eyes and gtfo k? |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
170
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:01:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:In short, console players, get good. Wait, lets examine this quote more. Once more, Realize who you are speaking of. Just please. There has been aim assist since COD was conceived. It isn't "Vet Killer" Its playing field equalizer. Who's better here... This guy can turn a full 180 on a dime Can Aim like a laser Changes direction as fast as a car doing donuts can Has the ability to remember how to do 30+ things without having to think about it. Or.... He can access his equipment. See the imbalance? The Blatant imbalance, which, like it or not, was intentional. It was intentional ever since CCP decided to put KBM support on DUST. That is all.
Console players need to get better, what your describing is like giving sugar pills to cancer patients. You can make them think they are getting better, or you can give them a treatment that works.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
170
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:03:00 -
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We are 138 wrote:Jeez. I wish all of you would shut the hell up about the aim assist. I don't see its supposed miracle like effects. In my own findings my performance is about the same as it has been the only thing I have really noticed is that my hip fire is a lot more accurate at close range. Honestly, do you think this flood of tears is going to change any thing? Its just more qq, so please grab a towel and dry your eyes and gtfo k?
Im sorry TEST member, but you must be very poor at fps video games not to notice, dont worry though, you're in the right alliance. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
817
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:09:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:In short, console players, get good. Wait, lets examine this quote more. Once more, Realize who you are speaking of. Just please. There has been aim assist since COD was conceived. It isn't "Vet Killer" Its playing field equalizer. Who's better here... This guy can turn a full 180 on a dime Can Aim like a laser Changes direction as fast as a car doing donuts can Has the ability to remember how to do 30+ things without having to think about it. Or.... He can access his equipment. See the imbalance? The Blatant imbalance, which, like it or not, was intentional. It was intentional ever since CCP decided to put KBM support on DUST. That is all. Console players need to get better, what your describing is like giving sugar pills to cancer patients. You can make them think they are getting better, or you can give them a treatment that works. You seem to not realize the audience CCP is presenting this game to.
Console Gamers basically translate perfectly into Casual gamer.
The want instant Gratification. AA gives them that. Remove it, and they remove the playerbase.
And then the occasional Ass come on the forums and bitches about only 2K players.
AA is needed for the game to tap into its designed Playerbase.
Remove it, and the game is as before.
A B-List game with marginally cool mechanics and crap aiming.
Nobody will stop complaining about aiming unless there is aim assist.
Its ingrained in the console culture.
No AA? Crap Aiming.
With AA? OMG its Aimbot!
Make up your GD minds. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
170
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:11:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote: You seem to not realize the audience CCP is presenting this game to.
Console Gamers basically translate perfectly into Casual gamer.
The want instant Gratification. AA gives them that. Remove it, and they remove the playerbase.
And then the occasional Ass come on the forums and bitches about only 2K players.
AA is needed for the game to tap into its designed Playerbase.
Remove it, and the game is as before.
A B-List game with marginally cool mechanics and crap aiming.
Nobody will stop complaining about aiming unless there is aim assist.
Its ingrained in the console culture.
No AA? Crap Aiming.
With AA? OMG its Aimbot!
Make up your GD minds.
The point still stands, new player influx who will play for a month and not pay or vets who will play for months if not years and pay.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3740
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:12:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Realize who you are speaking of.
Just please. Yeah, console gamers don't have the patience to pay attention to in-depth stats like these in our games. Something so complex would only happen in a PC game. |
Skipper Jones
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
700
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:27:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Im making my own thread about this because it seems most people are dumbed down to think kb/m is so much better then a gamepad that gamepads need aim assist.
That statement is untrue, as someone who plays mainly PC fps's I use nothing BUT a gamepad, iv played in PC tourneys with gamepads and came in high standings. It seems only console players need aim assist because they've been babied their whole gaming life by aim assist.
In short, console players, get good, CCP remove aim assist and console babies, stop propagating kb/m is better than a gamepad, nether are better, both can be used equally well by those skilled in their prefered imput device.
Also CCP, since turn rates out the window, give both kb/m AND gamepads raw imput.
It's a console game, therefore they shouldn't be catering to KBM users. KBM users complain about the DS3 aim assist, when it's in MOST other console shooters. It's on the PS3 not the PC.
KBM users should be grateful that they can even use their KB on this game. Selfish, Selfish Selfish |
Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
1179
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:28:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Realize who you are speaking of.
Just please. Yeah, console gamers don't have the patience to pay attention to in-depth stats like these in our games. Something so complex would only happen in a PC game.
correction: console gamers (I myself am one, Im saving up to buy a custom gaming laptop from a website I found months ago) don't have patience for anything because unlike PC, consoles are always being outdated by the next generation. with PC you never have to buy a new or more advanced model, just upgrade your hardware, with console on the other hand, you have xbox, playstation and Nintendo which always come out with better consoles every 6 years, they don't improve old systems, they make them obsolete with the next generation.
the problem here is that console gamers aren't used to having to wait for forever to get something promised to them, normally to wait for a new game we wait for 1 year and poof that game is finished, weve never had to deal with PC issues on the basis that you guys wait for longer than we do on upgrades and system improvements.
that's where CCP has done wrong, there treating console gamers like PC gamers, this isn't a PC game, its a console game and should be developed in time so that it can keep up with the speed of console evolution.
console gamers aren't going to wait for years for this game to be perfect when they get already finished games in a fraction of the time. |
Skipper Jones
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
702
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:32:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:[quote=Meeko Fent]Realize who you are speaking of.
Just please. that's where CCP has done wrong, there treating console gamers like PC gamers, this isn't a PC game, its a console game and should be developed in time so that it can keep up with the speed of console evolution. console gamers aren't going to wait for years for this game to be perfect when they get already finished games in a fraction of the time.
Sad but true. They have attracted the PC gamers by allowing the KBM. They released it on the wrong platform if they wanted that.
PS3 is a console not a PC. Therefore you will be outnumbered by DS3 users. Which means that they need to cater to their needs more than the KBM guys.
As rare as I say this, You can't have your cake and eat it too. |
Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
1179
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:33:00 -
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Being that this is a console game, the M/KB shouldn't be an issue, sure its an option to play with here, but its not the default system joystick, the controller is. The PC players here complaining about how they cant use their PC **** to play a console game is ridiculous. Be glad that you have even have the option to use the thing your used to in order to play here, console gamers don't have that option when going to the PC.
The M/KB issue is just stupid, its a console game, not a PC game, it shouldn't take priority over other issues that are keeping console gamers from coming here, CCP didn't make this game for EVE pilots to go to console, they made it in order to get more people from the console side to get interested in EVE online. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3745
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:34:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Im making my own thread about this because it seems most people are dumbed down to think kb/m is so much better then a gamepad that gamepads need aim assist.
That statement is untrue, as someone who plays mainly PC fps's I use nothing BUT a gamepad, iv played in PC tourneys with gamepads and came in high standings. It seems only console players need aim assist because they've been babied their whole gaming life by aim assist.
In short, console players, get good, CCP remove aim assist and console babies, stop propagating kb/m is better than a gamepad, nether are better, both can be used equally well by those skilled in their prefered imput device.
Also CCP, since turn rates out the window, give both kb/m AND gamepads raw imput. It's a console game, therefore they shouldn't be catering to KBM users. KBM users complain about the DS3 aim assist, when it's in MOST other console shooters. It's on the PS3 not the PC. KBM users should be grateful that they can even use their KB on this game. Selfish, Selfish Selfish I mostly play PS3 games because my laptop is barely running WinXP right now and doesn't really do gaming.
I don't like the aim assist in DUST either.
What's your excuse for the many people like me who are console gamers who don't like what CCP have done with their aim assist?
Most console shooters have aim assist, but often it's only the kind CCP refer to as "aim friction", which has been present for ages, never got turned off, and isn't connected with the aim assist on/off toggle in the options menu. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3745
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Posted - 2013.09.06 01:34:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Realize who you are speaking of.
Just please. Yeah, console gamers don't have the patience to pay attention to in-depth stats like these in our games. Something so complex would only happen in a PC game. correction: I take it you didn't click my links, then?
Or at best, you failed to work out what I meant by them. |
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