i like everything but shotgun is getting imprved tomorrow. I hope it's good so we get more scout shotties.

The aim assist completely destroys all variety in game. Whoever now has the strongest tank (read: heavy suit) now loses. There is no more skill needed, you don't even need to aim properly. It's a shooter with training wheels now.

There is ZERO reason to play a scout now because you can't evade anymore and scout tanks obviously suck. There is ZERO reason to play an assault because the heavy is simply better. And playing a logi as a KB/M user is pointless because the equipment wheel is totally broken now.

Less variety = bad

As long as aim assist is in game, I feel like playing with an aim bot. I'm going back to Project Zomboid until they remove it...if not, goodbye Dust.

Try taking advantage of the fact there isn't squad shared vision anymore and the scout's stealth. Its really not about avoiding bullets but evading detection.

Just wow.... you assume people don't use battle tactics? yet again another person who thinks taking cover and understanding how the game works, suddenly makes up for computer generated tracking and aiming.

Look people know how to hide behind box's at a certain skill level, they have spent enough time going through the market learning modules and skills. They even know scouts are harder to detect*SHOCKER* and shared vision is off... People even admit hit detection is good now and should be praised.

What they can't come to a consensus on is how strong a toggled "aim for you" button should actually be... Is it to help people who think a computer helping your aim will help you learn and ultimately be better at aiming?... which to anyone who goes through the learning curve knows isn't true.

To be honest every point about Aim assist has already been made through the closed and open beta process of DUST 514. the problem is we have come full circle back to the same issue for the third time, we have already been over this extensively in the past. Its a waste of everyone's time specially when they should of already learned.

Try taking advantage of the fact there isn't squad shared vision anymore and the scout's stealth. Its really not about avoiding bullets but evading detection.

Doesn't change the fact that this essentially removes all skill. It took me weeks to become good at aiming with the scrambler pistol for example...but thanks to the latest patch, EVERYONE is now exactly as good at aiming. Skill doesn't matter anymore.

The "use cover" argument isn't valid either because that argument was valid before the patch as well. "Don't get shot at" is a silly piece of advice, no offense.

Tell me, do you think it's fair that someone just starting at the game now is just as good at aiming as a 1yr veteran? How does CCP intend to motivate players long term? If skill doesn't matter, why should I keep on playing the same maps over and over and over again?

Basically, in a 1vs1 situation, you can't really beat an AR heavy anymore if you run a scout/assault/logi. Whoever has the best tank wins, because damage wise we're all pretty much getting the same damage now (due to hitting the same amount).

This patch essentially stole all long term motivation for me...unless it gets fixed I'm back to Project Zomboid. At least that's not a "training wheel" game.

Last time I checked, getting shot was a failure in any amount of skill you had.

You're bound to get shot at unless you face complete idiots who don't watch their back. Being stealthy shouldn't mean you die the second someone fires more than 2 bullets in your general direction.

Also, a single heavy with a scrambler pistol or AR now murders most players he sees.

Scouts shouldn't rely on glitchy hit detection and rubber banding to dodge bullets. Scouts are paper-thin, so it only goes to show that if they're discovered they should quickly die by just about any weapon. Nobody likes playing the dancing shotgun scout game except possibly the dancing glitchy scout. That just isn't what the role is meant to be though.

So who's fault is it for learning a play style that shouldn't have existed in the first place???

This build is the best build I've played for Dust. Great job CCP!

Last time I checked, getting shot was a failure in any amount of skill you had.

Your logic fails. Hard.

Last time I checked, my heavy suit's job description was to get shot at. In fact, if a heavy is doing it properly, he should have several people shooting at him at any given moment. We have the most hp, the largest hitbox, and the slowest movement speed with the most intimidating weapons. Our job description is literally "walking target - with a huge gun", which saves our squishier blues from taking damage.

The problem with the aimbot assist is that it is too good. When people saw a heavy three days ago, panic set in. We didn't take less damage because we were harder to hit - that 10% reduction to our strafe speed amounts to what, less than half a meter per second? Nor do I believe we were being blessed with much benefit from any lag or hit detection problems because of our awful mobility made it impossible to take advantage of said problems. It was because panicking red dots don't tend to aim well while also dodging HMG fire.

Now, the intimidation is gone. Those panicking reds? They no longer have to aim well while dodging HMG fire because their aimbot assist can track us especially perfect given our huge hitbox size and lack of mobility - all they have to do is run side to side and jump up and down with their superior maneuverability while the computer aiming handles the hard part for them.

Scouts are screwed not because of a lack of mobility, but because of their paper thin armor. The aim assist doesn't have to track them nearly as well or for nearly as long.

If you cannot see how broken this is, you need to step down as a CPM member and let someone less biased or more observant handle the task of representing the community at large.

Claiming that people need to use tactics is a serious affront to the majority of the playerbase, it assumes the poster saying this is somehow one of the only ones intelligent enough to know how to hide behind a wall or move in a group, which is a ridiculous assumption to make given that the vast majority of the playerbase already knows how to hide behind walls or move with a group. Even the stupidest of blue dots understands this concept, and assuming you're the Zhuge Liang of Dust because you use the most basic fundamental tactics to give yourself a strategic advantage is hilariously presumptuous.

Try taking advantage of the fact there isn't squad shared vision anymore and the scout's stealth. Its really not about avoiding bullets but evading detection.

Notice how the only gun doing this is the Ar

So in short, they just removed variety from the game...and you consider that great.

They completely removed any advantage speed had. There is no real reason to play as a scout now. An assault is pretty much as good at playing the "cover game" and has a better tank.

Your logic fails. Hard.

Last time I checked, my heavy suit's job description was to get shot at. In fact, if a heavy is doing it properly, he should have several people shooting at him at any given moment. We have the most hp, the largest hitbox, and the slowest movement speed with the most intimidating weapons. Our job description is literally "walking target - with a huge gun", which saves our squishier blues from taking damage.

The problem with the aimbot assist is that it is too good. When people saw a heavy three days ago, panic set in. We didn't take less damage because we were harder to hit - that 10% reduction to our strafe speed amounts to what, less than half a meter per second? Nor do I believe we were being blessed with much benefit from any lag or hit detection problems because of our awful mobility made it impossible to take advantage of said problems. It was because panicking red dots don't tend to aim well while also dodging HMG fire.

Now, the intimidation is gone. Those panicking reds? They no longer have to aim well while dodging HMG fire because their aimbot assist can track us especially perfect given our huge hitbox size and lack of mobility - all they have to do is run side to side and jump up and down with their superior maneuverability while the computer aiming handles the hard part for them.

Scouts are screwed not because of a lack of mobility, but because of their paper thin armor. The aim assist doesn't have to track them nearly as well or for nearly as long.

If you cannot see how broken this is, you need to step down as a CPM member and let someone less biased or more observant handle the task of representing the community at large.

Claiming that people need to use tactics is a serious affront to the majority of the playerbase, it assumes the poster saying this is somehow one of the only ones intelligent enough to know how to hide behind a wall or move in a group, which is a ridiculous assumption to make given that the vast majority of the playerbase already knows how to hide behind walls or move with a group. Even the stupidest of blue dots understands this concept, and assuming you're the Zhuge Liang of Dust because you use the most basic fundamental tactics to give yourself a strategic advantage is hilariously presumptuous.

HTFU.

I agree.

The scout's best armour is to never get spotted.


Munch

You are completely wrong. The improvements to the hit detection mean that if anyone gets caught in my line of fire, they die. The only way I get outgunned now is if there are multiple hostiles focusing fire on only me, even then I am able to take out at least one of them sometimes more, depending on if I can retreat behind cover in time. Prior to 1.4, one guy with an AR could do the 2 step strafe dance inside my line of fire and gun me down with little effort.

Currently if one guy in a Med frame tries to solo me, he dies. If another comes up after him to sole me, he also dies! If he gets the drop on me, I actually have a chance to turn and take him out. If two or three come at me at once, I am more than likely going to lose the engagement, but not before I take at least one out. This is how a Heavy should be! Before, if one guy with a MLT AR got the drop on me I was done for, even in my proto suit! Trust me, I feel more than intimidating in my Heavy Suit now! If an enemy isn't intimidated when he first approaches me, he quickly realizes he should have been! Maybe you are doing it wrong?

You simply cannot stand in the open and strafe in circles expecting to win 85% of your engagements anymore. Strafing is now an effective means to get to cover in a firefight, while still dealing damage to your opponent. You know, what strafing is meant for!

Previously, scouts relied on the broken strafing, and broken hit detection to dodge 95% of incoming gunfire. This is no longer possible! Scouts need to use their stealth to sneak around cover and engage in CQC! I have been bested by good scouts who play this type of role perfectly after 1.4!

Gone are the days when you can simply rush an opponent head on in the wide open spaces!

Congratulations, you've failed to address a single point in my post while stroking your ego (did the aim assist help you target it as well?) for no apparent reason other than you get immense personal satisfaction from doing so.