Why aim assist is bad for dust

It cripples any sort of diversity and brings in console users who proceed to **** up the game because all they use is the AR

The major reasons why aim assist is good for dust:
1: New players are probably familiar with other console first person shooters. The aim assist is a standard feature that smooths their transition into Dust.
1.a New players increase the pool in which CCP may go whaling to fund their game.
1.b New players increase the player count, allowing faster battle ques.
1.c New players bring new insight into the game, perhaps create corporations
1.d New Players are good for the game

2: Aim Assist Flattens the skill curve for weapons and enables the use of more gameplay elements than run in circle + spam mass driver.
2.a Cover is being used much more now, showcasing more of the maps.
2.b Battles are once again involving a large variety of weapons, I'm seeing things on the field that haven't been around in months. lasers, plasma cannons, scrambler pistols, more variety on the kill feed.
2.c Squads are moving with more cohesion now* that sending one man into six guys is no longer an effective tactic.
2.d emergent gameplay is being rewarded, thus rewarding players for their ingenious use of combined arms at all ranges.

Much of the skills that top players have earned in dust deals greatly with positioning, evaluating risk/reward and knowing when to engage and when to flee. Those skills are untouched by aim assist, perhaps even reinforced. The best players can focus on what makes them elite, while the new players can learn from them instead of fighting an aiming system that was ten years obsolete.

The major reasons why aim assist is good for dust:
1: New players are probably familiar with other console first person shooters. The aim assist is a standard feature that smooths their transition into Dust.
1.a New players increase the pool in which CCP may go whaling to fund their game.
1.b New players increase the player count, allowing faster battle ques.
1.c New players bring new insight into the game, perhaps create corporations
1.d New Players are good for the game

2: Aim Assist Flattens the skill curve for weapons and enables the use of more gameplay elements than run in circle + spam mass driver.
2.a Cover is being used much more now, showcasing more of the maps.
2.b Battles are once again involving a large variety of weapons, I'm seeing things on the field that haven't been around in months. lasers, plasma cannons, scrambler pistols, more variety on the kill feed.
2.c Squads are moving with more cohesion now* that sending one man into six guys is no longer an effective tactic.
2.d emergent gameplay is being rewarded, thus rewarding players for their ingenious use of combined arms at all ranges.

Much of the skills that top players have earned in dust deals greatly with positioning, evaluating risk/reward and knowing when to engage and when to flee. Those skills are untouched by aim assist, perhaps even reinforced. The best players can focus on what makes them elite, while the new players can learn from them instead of fighting an aiming system that was ten years obsolete.

Aim assists are fundamental to console games because of the inherent flaws in using a joystick in a game that requires precision. its not a precision input. Especially when m+kb is in the mix.

HOWEVER, adding an aimbot isnt the answer. There is a word for it, its called cheating.

This.
Aim assist = OK, since game has KBM support and it helps level the playing field a bit.
Aimbot = BAD, since there is no real need to develop any skills related to FPS.

meh....while you have a point, it is VERY circumstantial and is a completely different type of game in regards to Dust.

Its like comparing Dust to tribes...

But at the same time, the situation to Dust is also appropriately relative. It does no have an aim-bot sticky aim, it's a slight aim assist.

False. Proof: Warhawk (PS3). Has automatic sticky aim, still one of the most competitive online shooters to exist.

thats the problem. if it was slight, there would be no problems. in fact i would be spewing praise. no one has ever managed to balance m+kb and gamepads before.

what we have now is anything but slight. i hav etested it, my friends ahve tested it. my enemies have tested it.


hell the only ones i see defending it are the ones who need the crutch.

False. Proof: Warhawk (PS3). Has automatic sticky aim, still one of the most competitive online shooters to exist.

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Know that our empire is holy
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last i checked warhawk is a TPS completely different senario.

You still shoot people in the face. The principle behind my point is valid, aiming isn't the decide-all factor in skill.

I am purely disgusted and I don't have enough pity to go around for all the people who think that aim assist is godsend.

"DS3 users now have a chance against KB/M!! lelelel"

Sounds like, "I sucked really hard at this game but now with aim assist, I'm amazing"

I pity everyone who said that because you are admitting that you suck at aiming without aim assist. Especially since there are players out there who uses gamepads and still own without aim assist.

You couldn't kill a player before because you have no skill. So you pride yourself now that you can kill with the help of aim assist.

That is utterly pathetic.

Praising your aim assist equates to nothing but a cry for help because you lack the skill you degenerate uneducated plebeian.

And for those who claim aim assist should be in Dust 514 because it's a console game like other FPS games should just play those other plebeian games like those other useless sacks of skin they call players.

Because Dust 514 is pronounced as Dust 514, not Call of Duty, Which means, if you haven't guessed, it's a different game.

I played Dust 514 for its promise of becoming a better FPS game than the other FPS casual games. I stayed for the in-depth character customization that gives players the chance to be better than others. And I continued playing for the challenge of playing with no aim assist.

But obviously, they were all shattered in just one day.

I am purely disgusted and I don't have enough pity to go around for all the people who think that aim assist is godsend.

"DS3 users now have a chance against KB/M!! lelelel"

Sounds like, "I sucked really hard at this game but now with aim assist, I'm amazing"

I pity everyone who said that because you are admitting that you suck at aiming without aim assist. Especially since there are players out there who uses gamepads and still own without aim assist.

You couldn't kill a player before because you have no skill. So you pride yourself now that you can kill with the help of aim assist.

That is utterly pathetic.

Praising your aim assist equates to nothing but a cry for help because you lack the skill you degenerate uneducated plebeian.

And for those who claim aim assist should be in Dust 514 because it's a console game like other FPS games should just play those other plebeian games like those other useless sacks of skin they call players.

Because Dust 514 is pronounced as Dust 514, not Call of Duty, Which means, if you haven't guessed, it's a different game.

I played Dust 514 for its promise of becoming a better FPS game than the other FPS casual games. I stayed for the in-depth character customization that gives players the chance to be better than others. And I continued playing for the challenge of playing with no aim assist.

But obviously, they were all shattered in just one day.

The beasts at this game will still be beasts. Their KDR may drop 1 /100th of a point... but they will manage.
Aim assist / Aim bot... the game is more enjoyable overall.
This matters most.

Then you were here for the wrong reason dust was always designed as a game that was ment to be fun for these "degenerate uneducated plebeian" as you put it or casual gamers as the rest of us call them its elitist scum like yourself that give the gaming community a bad name congrats, Any way this game was ment to appeal to both casuals who wanted to jump on get a few kills and have a good time makes good business sense no? and also has depth for the rest of us who want to forge empires and have experience with more depth that goes beyond insta battles of go in shoot a enemy die and repeat.

It was said that this game was ment to be familiar and enjoyable to players of COD, Battlefield so on so forth. what would be enjoyable about playing a game that gives the vets massive bonuses like 1k ehp suits and guns that do quite a bit more damage but has very unuser friendly controls.

False. Proof: Warhawk (PS3). Has automatic sticky aim, still one of the most competitive online shooters to exist.

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"Children of Amarr, Beloved of God
Do not fear the dark heavens
The stars are a sign unto you
To bring the Light to dark places
And so many wondrous lights we carry
Illuminating peoples and worlds
Know that our empire is holy
Set apart for an immortal destiny
Stand true, Children of Amarr
Let the rays of our enlightenment
Shine ever before the Almighty."
Empress Jamyl Sarum I

The beasts at this game will still be beasts. Their KDR may drop 1 /100th of a point... but they will manage.
Aim assist / Aim bot... the game is more enjoyable overall.
This matters most.

Because you had a giant pool of ******* health. Try saying the same thing after using Scout Shotty for a day.

Then you were here for the wrong reason dust was always designed as a game that was ment to be fun for these "degenerate uneducated plebeian" as you put it or casual gamers as the rest of us call them its elitist scum like yourself that give the gaming community a bad name congrats, Any way this game was ment to appeal to both casuals who wanted to jump on get a few kills and have a good time makes good business sense no? and also has depth for the rest of us who want to forge empires and have experience with more depth that goes beyond insta battles of go in shoot a enemy die and repeat.

It was said that this game was ment to be familiar and enjoyable to players of COD, Battlefield so on so forth. what would be enjoyable about playing a game that gives the vets massive bonuses like 1k ehp suits and guns that do quite a bit more damage but has very unuser friendly controls.

Warhawk also is a THIRD Person Shooter specializing in vehicles, cover based combat, and it's sequel is all that with the build-a-base gimmick.

this too, although the build-a-base was kinda cool imo.

im kinda not a fan of aim assist, feels kinda like a crutch, but if you think about it, the aiming in Dust without any is just gonna make this game into a bunch of dancing strafing mercs who run around with AR's imitating COD, this enforces tactics of ACTUALLY USING COVER AND FLANKING like in real shooter games like the ARMA series, instead of just jumping around with Duvolles with everything coming down to who's got the best firepower/suit ehp/dmg. mods. and twitch, sure its a little strong right now, but something to prevent COD 20k years+ in the future will need to be properly implemented, but probably not this strong.

Fly safe o7

2.b Battles are once again involving a large variety of weapons, I'm seeing things on the field that haven't been around in months. lasers, plasma cannons, scrambler pistols, more variety on the kill feed.

Just so you guys aren't left wondering, we are aware of the numerous complaints about the strength of aim assist. No decisions have been made yet, but we are certainly going to have another look at it.

Aim assist is meant for controllers to compete with highly customizable M/KB input options when both input devices are in the same game. It's not meant to be a meta balancing mechanic! The current aim assist functionality, hit box sizes, and series of hot fixes that were implemented to compensate for aiming and hit detection issues in 1.0 have created the new artificial balance. It's not working as intended. It's only a matter of time before CCP makes appropriate changes. Enjoy your crutch while you can because they're already looking into it:

".....but we are certainly going to have another look at it" = four months


Pretty standard on Eve as well as Dust. See you in four months.

If something is severely game breaking enough, they'll get it done faster. Look at how long it took to respond to the shotgun issues.

Didn't Section 8 have some lock on functions? Hell Armor Core had it too.

Didn't Section 8 have some lock on functions? Hell Armor Core had it too.

Armored Core has auto-targeting for almost every weapon in every game in the series.

But unlike DUST's over-zealous aim assist, it's built into the customisation system. Every AC/Core/NEXT (the name given to your mechs depends on the game) has a Fire Control System (FCS). Your FCS has a series of stats that determine how wide/tall your lockbox is on the screen, and how far away you can lock onto enemies, as well as how quickly your weapons lock onto the enemy in order to start tracking. The lock speed stat is further divided into direct-fire and missile weapon lock speed. And even in those games, there are some weapons that don't benefit from FCS targeting and have to be aimed manually. They also have cost involved in the sense that your FCS has a weight value, energy drain and other stats that make the stronger FCS options a compromise rather than a straight upgrade.

If there was a module for aim assist that cost a slot and some PG/CPU to fit, and you could get varying modules which provide varying levels of assistance, with the current level of aim assist being AT LEAST the Advanced variant, then I'd say that's a relevant comparison. Until that happens, this isn't Armored Core.

And yes, aim assist is still a sensible plan in a console shooter, but that doesn't mean that CCP have found the right level for the aim assist yet. I haven't done any testing over the last couple of days, but the last time I tried using aim assist, it felt distinctly stronger than I feel like it should be.

Armored Core has auto-targeting for almost every weapon in every game in the series.

But unlike DUST's over-zealous aim assist, it's built into the customisation system. Every AC/Core/NEXT (the name given to your mechs depends on the game) has a Fire Control System (FCS). Your FCS has a series of stats that determine how wide/tall your lockbox is on the screen, and how far away you can lock onto enemies, as well as how quickly your weapons lock onto the enemy in order to start tracking. The lock speed stat is further divided into direct-fire and missile weapon lock speed. And even in those games, there are some weapons that don't benefit from FCS targeting and have to be aimed manually. They also have cost involved in the sense that your FCS has a weight value, energy drain and other stats that make the stronger FCS options a compromise rather than a straight upgrade.

If there was a module for aim assist that cost a slot and some PG/CPU to fit, and you could get varying modules which provide varying levels of assistance, with the current level of aim assist being AT LEAST the Advanced variant, then I'd say that's a relevant comparison. Until that happens, this isn't Armored Core.

And yes, aim assist is still a sensible plan in a console shooter, but that doesn't mean that CCP have found the right level for the aim assist yet. I haven't done any testing over the last couple of days, but the last time I tried using aim assist, it felt distinctly stronger than I feel like it should be.

This.
Aim assist = OK, since game has KBM support and it helps level the playing field a bit.
Aimbot = BAD, since there is no real need to develop any skills related to FPS.