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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:52:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:Aim assist is necessary for a console game. Plus KBM has Raw turning, and accuracy control.
It isnt necessary and kb/m doesnt yet have raw imput in the game. Then again nor do gamepads |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
267
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:53:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:meri jin wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Lurch, are you defending me? I thought you didnt like me No one likes Lurchasaurus, this way he tries to make friends. ?
Lurchasaurus you should look at page two. You said something like my friends sucks, without even knowing them. This drags me to the conclusion that you are out of arguments and rather troll and insult people? Do you even have a feeling for the world outside your screen? A bigger understanding of the gaming marked could help you realize that CCP didnGÇÖt make Dust to YOUR personal game. This is a product to earn money and not your seal of approve.
Dear CCP, The most time Dust donGÇÖt even have more than 3000 people playing. There are people out there with only little time. They canGÇÖt play several games at once or the same game for an excessive amount. This people are happy if they can cut two hours of free time and enjoy some gaming. There are the people who have more time; I like to call them the GÇ£casualgamersGÇ¥, ever heard of them? Yes you have. These are the people which you needs the most because this people are the big numbers who can carry more money in to the company. Aim assist is one tool to make the game accessible for everybody (PVE could be another) and as the aim assist is now it still leaves room for your personal and individual improvement. I keep reading here that all you need to do is hold your gun in one direction and keep shooting. That is definitely not the case, you still have to aim and follow your target. Aim assist helps you following. IGÇÖm using ARs and I havenGÇÖt experienced this magical magnetism or aimboting. The personal room of improvement is as always in a FPS is the GÇ£aim and headshotGÇ¥, it is not the following, itGÇÖs aiming and having the gun at the exact point without dragging it around. (This point should be the head.) Again, I havenGÇÖt seen any automated headshots while using aim assist.
I hope CCP keep the aim assist as it is, the game is hardcore enough. What we need are numbers in this game, more people p(l)aying it. I understand that it is a narrow path between an ambitious game and CoD but CCP still needs to concede something for the broader audience.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
129
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:59:00 -
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meri jin wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:meri jin wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Lurch, are you defending me? I thought you didnt like me No one likes Lurchasaurus, this way he tries to make friends. ? Lurchasaurus you should look at page two. You said something like my friends sucks, without even knowing them. This drags me to the conclusion that you are out of arguments and rather troll and insult people? Do you even have a feeling for the world outside your screen? A bigger understanding of the gaming marked could help you realize that CCP didnGÇÖt make Dust to YOUR personal game. This is a product to earn money and not your seal of approve. Dear CCP, The most time Dust donGÇÖt even have more than 3000 people playing. There are people out there with only little time. They canGÇÖt play several games at once or the same game for an excessive amount. This people are happy if they can cut two hours of free time and enjoy some gaming. There are the people who have more time; I like to call them the GÇ£casualgamersGÇ¥, ever heard of them? Yes you have. These are the people which you needs the most because this people are the big numbers who can carry more money in to the company. Aim assist is one tool to make the game accessible for everybody (PVE could be another) and as the aim assist is now it still leaves room for your personal and individual improvement. I keep reading here that all you need to do is hold your gun in one direction and keep shooting. That is definitely not the case, you still have to aim and follow your target. Aim assist helps you following. IGÇÖm using ARs and I havenGÇÖt experienced this magical magnetism or aimboting. The personal room of improvement is as always in a FPS is the GÇ£aim and headshotGÇ¥, it is not the following, itGÇÖs aiming and having the gun at the exact point without dragging it around. (This point should be the head.) Again, I havenGÇÖt seen any automated headshots while using aim assist. I hope CCP keep the aim assist as it is, the game is hardcore enough. What we need are numbers in this game, more people p(l)aying it. I understand that it is a narrow path between an ambitious game and CoD but CCP still needs to concede something for the broader audience.
Dust is hardcore enough? lmfao, go play quake, unreal tournament, counterstrike or GORE, then come back here. If you think dust is even remotely hardcore you need to pull your head from the sand and take a look around.
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1501
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:02:00 -
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edit: ****** up my quotes. post is below, my bad |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1501
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:03:00 -
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meri jin wrote: Lurchasaurus you should look at page two. You said something like my friends sucks, without even knowing them.
meri jin wrote: I'm impressed by the new aiming system, I really love it! I have 8 rl buddies who all tried Dust, and no one kept playing after a view tries. After the patch 1.4 two people are paling again (after I told everyone to give it a try), they gave me the feedback that this game feels more like a shooter now and that they can finally hit something.
k, continue with your telling me about how im a troll now |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
11
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:07:00 -
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OTOH if we are to remove it, then you need to seriously limit mouse effectiveness with things such as;
Add momentum so that changing strafe direction can be no faster than controller Add momentum so that aiming cannot twitch around faster than a controller Cap rotational speed to that of a controller and make sure it takes an amount of time to reach maximum rotational speed just like a controller.
Or we could just keep the aiming assists. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3419
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:08:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:The aim assist is fine, abit much on adhesion but still it helps keep certain weapons under control. Some say remove from pc but than it hinders all players never the less. Keep the assist and dont listen to these guys that say remove it. You can't really have a console shooter with no aim assist at all.
I agree that it needs to be reduced in effectiveness, but let's make a concerted effort not to just make knee-jerk reactions to everything, okay?
Step back and think. Discuss this rationally. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
53
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:10:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:The aim assist is fine, abit much on adhesion but still it helps keep certain weapons under control. Some say remove from pc but than it hinders all players never the less. Keep the assist and don't listen to these guys that say remove it.
This isn't a game people turn on for an hour if it is then keep it. This is a game people live and breathe and neglect all other games like a red headed step child for.
We log on everyday to get better, with our skills, with our aim and tactics. If you play a game to have a computer do all the icky hard part of aiming... for you?... why play it? your wasting everyone else's time. |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
37
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:16:00 -
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Learn to rely on squad tactics, situational awareness and cover usage. It can finally be a tactical squad based FPS. Teamwork is the true OP weapon |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:18:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Minor Treat wrote:Aim assist is necessary for a console game. Plus KBM has Raw turning, and accuracy control. It isnt necessary and kb/m doesnt yet have raw imput in the game. Then again nor do gamepads it wrist vs thumb control... FACT here is proof.... http://www.techhive.com/article/246176/can_a_gamepad_beat_a_keyboard_and_mouse_.html |
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Minor Treat
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
84
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:21:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Burntface man112 wrote:The aim assist is fine, abit much on adhesion but still it helps keep certain weapons under control. Some say remove from pc but than it hinders all players never the less. Keep the assist and don't listen to these guys that say remove it. This isn't a game people turn on for an hour if it is then keep it. This is a game people live and breathe and neglect all other games like a red headed step child for. We log on everyday to get better, with our skills, with our aim and tactics. If you play a game to have a computer do all the icky hard part of aiming... for you?... why play it? your wasting everyone else's time. its common knowledge controller users are at a disadvantage in smooth control as well as accuracy controls. |
Minor Treat
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
84
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:22:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Burntface man112 wrote:The aim assist is fine, abit much on adhesion but still it helps keep certain weapons under control. Some say remove from pc but than it hinders all players never the less. Keep the assist and dont listen to these guys that say remove it. You can't really have a console shooter with no aim assist at all. I agree that it needs to be reduced in effectiveness, but let's make a concerted effort not to just make knee-jerk reactions to everything, okay? Step back and think. Discuss this rationally. i agree find a fair compromise |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1502
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:22:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:Bethhy wrote:Burntface man112 wrote:The aim assist is fine, abit much on adhesion but still it helps keep certain weapons under control. Some say remove from pc but than it hinders all players never the less. Keep the assist and don't listen to these guys that say remove it. This isn't a game people turn on for an hour if it is then keep it. This is a game people live and breathe and neglect all other games like a red headed step child for. We log on everyday to get better, with our skills, with our aim and tactics. If you play a game to have a computer do all the icky hard part of aiming... for you?... why play it? your wasting everyone else's time. its common knowledge controller users are at a disadvantage in smooth control as well as accuracy controls.
Lurchasaurus wrote:Aim assists are fundamental to console games because of the inherent flaws in using a joystick in a game that requires precision. its not a precision input. Especially when m+kb is in the mix.
HOWEVER, adding an aimbot isnt the answer. There is a word for it, its called cheating.
logic. boom. |
Minor Treat
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
84
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:23:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:meri jin wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:meri jin wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Lurch, are you defending me? I thought you didnt like me No one likes Lurchasaurus, this way he tries to make friends. ? Lurchasaurus you should look at page two. You said something like my friends sucks, without even knowing them. This drags me to the conclusion that you are out of arguments and rather troll and insult people? Do you even have a feeling for the world outside your screen? A bigger understanding of the gaming marked could help you realize that CCP didnGÇÖt make Dust to YOUR personal game. This is a product to earn money and not your seal of approve. Dear CCP, The most time Dust donGÇÖt even have more than 3000 people playing. There are people out there with only little time. They canGÇÖt play several games at once or the same game for an excessive amount. This people are happy if they can cut two hours of free time and enjoy some gaming. There are the people who have more time; I like to call them the GÇ£casualgamersGÇ¥, ever heard of them? Yes you have. These are the people which you needs the most because this people are the big numbers who can carry more money in to the company. Aim assist is one tool to make the game accessible for everybody (PVE could be another) and as the aim assist is now it still leaves room for your personal and individual improvement. I keep reading here that all you need to do is hold your gun in one direction and keep shooting. That is definitely not the case, you still have to aim and follow your target. Aim assist helps you following. IGÇÖm using ARs and I havenGÇÖt experienced this magical magnetism or aimboting. The personal room of improvement is as always in a FPS is the GÇ£aim and headshotGÇ¥, it is not the following, itGÇÖs aiming and having the gun at the exact point without dragging it around. (This point should be the head.) Again, I havenGÇÖt seen any automated headshots while using aim assist. I hope CCP keep the aim assist as it is, the game is hardcore enough. What we need are numbers in this game, more people p(l)aying it. I understand that it is a narrow path between an ambitious game and CoD but CCP still needs to concede something for the broader audience. Dust is hardcore enough? lmfao, go play quake, unreal tournament, counterstrike or GORE, then come back here. If you think dust is even remotely hardcore you need to pull your head from the sand and take a look around. well you hardcore guys already got pc battles |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
131
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:24:00 -
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Thats opinion not fact. Also thats testing vs a DS3 not every gamepad. Like iv stated, iv played in tourneys vs kb/m, I only use gamepads, guess what, they're equal if you have skill. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
268
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:24:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:
Dust is hardcore enough? lmfao, go play quake, unreal tournament, counterstrike or GORE, then come back here. If you think dust is even remotely hardcore you need to pull your head from the sand and take a look around.
Competitive is not the same as hardcore my friend. Dust is hardcore on its own. ItGÇÖs complicated, it is squad based, itGÇÖs GÇ£die and loos sh*tGÇ¥, itGÇÖs GÇ£you shouldnGÇÖt die in this gear itGÇÖs very expensiveGÇ¥ and so on. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
116
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:24:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:The aim assist is fine, abit much on adhesion but still it helps keep certain weapons under control. Some say remove from pc but than it hinders all players never the less. Keep the assist and dont listen to these guys that say remove it. I wreck so much headshot with scrambler pistol now |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
131
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:25:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote: well you hardcore guys already got pc battles
PC is a joke, and I should know, my other character is in EON.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
131
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:26:00 -
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meri jin wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:
Dust is hardcore enough? lmfao, go play quake, unreal tournament, counterstrike or GORE, then come back here. If you think dust is even remotely hardcore you need to pull your head from the sand and take a look around.
Competitive is not the same as hardcore my friend. Dust is hardcore on its own. ItGÇÖs complicated, it is squad based, itGÇÖs GÇ£die and loos sh*tGÇ¥, itGÇÖs GÇ£you shouldnGÇÖt die in this gear itGÇÖs very expensiveGÇ¥ and so on.
Its complicated? The only thing complicated about dust is the clunky UI. If you think a bit of math is hard you should go back to grade school. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1502
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:26:00 -
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PC battles aren't hardcore. Also, there is a difference between hardcore and competitive.
edit: and yes, PC is a joke. |
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dustwaffle
Ill Omens
430
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:27:00 -
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Calls a random article found on the internet, written as opinions from random reviewers, "Proof".
Well played, good sir. Please use this method in your school exams and hopefully you'll stay there forever. Also, don't breed and contaminate the human gene pool, thankyouverymuch. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
269
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:36:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:meri jin wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:
Dust is hardcore enough? lmfao, go play quake, unreal tournament, counterstrike or GORE, then come back here. If you think dust is even remotely hardcore you need to pull your head from the sand and take a look around.
Competitive is not the same as hardcore my friend. Dust is hardcore on its own. ItGÇÖs complicated, it is squad based, itGÇÖs GÇ£die and loos sh*tGÇ¥, itGÇÖs GÇ£you shouldnGÇÖt die in this gear itGÇÖs very expensiveGÇ¥ and so on. Its complicated? The only thing complicated about dust is the clunky UI. If you think a bit of math is hard you should go back to grade school.
Why so aggressive? Have I done something? Have you ever try to explain how to fit Drop suits the GÇ£right wayGÇ¥? What weapons, tracking speed, effectively range, roles, limitations, fittings and modules are? I have, I did it 8 times. It is complicated as hell, for new people believe me. They sometimes asked me questions I wouldnGÇÖt believe or even think about it.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
131
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:38:00 -
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meri jin wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:meri jin wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:
Dust is hardcore enough? lmfao, go play quake, unreal tournament, counterstrike or GORE, then come back here. If you think dust is even remotely hardcore you need to pull your head from the sand and take a look around.
Competitive is not the same as hardcore my friend. Dust is hardcore on its own. ItGÇÖs complicated, it is squad based, itGÇÖs GÇ£die and loos sh*tGÇ¥, itGÇÖs GÇ£you shouldnGÇÖt die in this gear itGÇÖs very expensiveGÇ¥ and so on. Its complicated? The only thing complicated about dust is the clunky UI. If you think a bit of math is hard you should go back to grade school. Why so aggressive? Have I done something? Have you ever try to explain how to fit Drop suits the GÇ£right wayGÇ¥? What weapons, tracking speed, effectively range, roles, limitations, fittings and modules are? I have, I did it 8 times. It is complicated as hell, for new people believe me. They sometimes asked me questions I wouldnGÇÖt believe or even think about it.
Iv never had to explain it because my irl friends iv shown the game got how to play it after picking it up and running a match. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1505
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:39:00 -
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meri jin wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:meri jin wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:
Dust is hardcore enough? lmfao, go play quake, unreal tournament, counterstrike or GORE, then come back here. If you think dust is even remotely hardcore you need to pull your head from the sand and take a look around.
Competitive is not the same as hardcore my friend. Dust is hardcore on its own. ItGÇÖs complicated, it is squad based, itGÇÖs GÇ£die and loos sh*tGÇ¥, itGÇÖs GÇ£you shouldnGÇÖt die in this gear itGÇÖs very expensiveGÇ¥ and so on. Its complicated? The only thing complicated about dust is the clunky UI. If you think a bit of math is hard you should go back to grade school. Why so aggressive? Have I done something? Have you ever try to explain how to fit Drop suits the GÇ£right wayGÇ¥? What weapons, tracking speed, effectively range, roles, limitations, fittings and modules are? I have, I did it 8 times. It is complicated as hell, for new people believe me. They sometimes asked me questions I wouldnGÇÖt believe or even think about it.
for someone not coming into Dust from EVE or someone who doesnt have much experience with FPS games outside of recent CODs or BFs, Dust IS a complex game. Having to build up a fitting from nothing, while staying on top of the different factors you want while keeping your personal skills high can be daunting. Keep in mind A LOT of people who play this game ARE kids. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
131
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:42:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:meri jin wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:meri jin wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:
Dust is hardcore enough? lmfao, go play quake, unreal tournament, counterstrike or GORE, then come back here. If you think dust is even remotely hardcore you need to pull your head from the sand and take a look around.
Competitive is not the same as hardcore my friend. Dust is hardcore on its own. ItGÇÖs complicated, it is squad based, itGÇÖs GÇ£die and loos sh*tGÇ¥, itGÇÖs GÇ£you shouldnGÇÖt die in this gear itGÇÖs very expensiveGÇ¥ and so on. Its complicated? The only thing complicated about dust is the clunky UI. If you think a bit of math is hard you should go back to grade school. Why so aggressive? Have I done something? Have you ever try to explain how to fit Drop suits the GÇ£right wayGÇ¥? What weapons, tracking speed, effectively range, roles, limitations, fittings and modules are? I have, I did it 8 times. It is complicated as hell, for new people believe me. They sometimes asked me questions I wouldnGÇÖt believe or even think about it. for someone not coming into Dust from EVE or someone who doesnt have much experience with FPS games outside of recent CODs or BFs, Dust IS a complex game. Having to build up a fitting from nothing, while staying on top of the different factors you want while keeping your personal skills high can be daunting. Keep in mind A LOT of people who play this game ARE kids.
I can pass the game to my 9 year old nephew and he can figure out how to make a fitting he enjoys. Its not hard.
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Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
319
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:46:00 -
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Fitting seems daunting at first and I'm sure it's confusing for people not used to RPGs, but it doesn't take long to figure it out. Every suit has two resource pools, and every item takes up a certain amount of both. That's pretty much it. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1506
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:57:00 -
[87] - Quote
Mossellia and Sete, you are absolutely right. However, the thing we are discussing right now are the people who don't understand this, who are entitled and want things handed to them on a platter (aimbots, matches with no vehicles or proto suits, one-shottable vehicles), or those who simply can't be bothered to put in as much time and effort and who still want to be top dog.
Fact is, CCP DOES allow this, just in the form of AUR items. And hey, it's a free game and they need to make money. |
Atom Heart Mother
We Who Walk Alone
44
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:24:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:The aim assist is fine, abit much on adhesion but still it helps keep certain weapons under control. Some say remove from pc but than it hinders all players never the less. Keep the assist and dont listen to these guys that say remove it.
As I previously stated in another thread, here is the perfect stereotype of player who wasn't good at shooting before 1.4 and now he's covered with his joy. As far as now the game is broken, stick that in your brain. |
Jammeh McJam
Robbing The Hood
21
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:28:00 -
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aim assist is ruining the game for players with skill, just because newer players can't find a way to overcome them
get rid of aim assist its broken and screws up the game |
Piraten Hovnoret
BIG BAD W0LVES
21
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:47:00 -
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Take the blodey thing out of the game |
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