DUST Search - Aim Assist Issue!

Shotty GoBang wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Gigatron Prime wrote:

It works fine. STOP bunny hopping and start getting smart.

It's not working fine. My entire ninja knifing profession is dead because of this aimbot-like aim assist. I can't kill anyone with a knife anymore and I poured my heart and soul and SP into just knives. These were the weapons that take the most amount of skill to use.

Maken Tosch is among the sneakiest, tactically-minded scouts in the game.
He operates at severe disadvantage due to broken knives and a broken scout suit.
He invests himself in the training of would-be assassins.
Assassins who will share his disadvantage until the scout suit and knives are fixed.

The preface above describes a problem of imbalance.
Gifting everyone with A+ aim and unearned kills exacerbates the above imbalance.
As CCP is interested in balance, Aim-Assist will likely have to be dialed back a 'bit.
If A+ aim for all is here to stay, the AR and ScR will likely have to be nerfed.

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Grimm Mjolnir XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:14:00 - [1] - Quote The Problem i have with aim assist is this... it takes away skill from users. If someone gets the drop on you now you have 95 % chance of dying by a new player with militia gear. Now i have no problem getting dropped by a new player with militia gear, it's the fact that the game is aiming for them and that goes for every weapon in the game including grenades. My corp members and I concluded that if you really want aim assist in the game then put it as a module. I really would like to get feed back from other mercs on this issue. Thanks
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 312	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:27:00 - [2] - Quote What I'm seeing referred to as aim assist is looking closer to auto-aim. I've seen videos where the sight is obviously off to one side or the other of a target merc and it's still registering hits where there should be misses. This is far beyond aim assist as far as I'm concerned.
Gigatron Prime The.Primes 323	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:36:00 - [3] - Quote It works fine. STOP bunny hopping and start getting smart.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 312	Posted - 2013.09.04 07:57:00 - [4] - Quote Gigatron Prime wrote: It works fine. STOP bunny hopping and start getting smart. It's not working fine when you're aiming a foot to the left of your target's shoulder and you're still getting hits.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 468	Posted - 2013.09.04 08:39:00 - [5] - Quote Two solutions come to mind: #1 dumb down aimbot's AI #2 give more WP for shooting to players who "trust the force" and turn their aimbots off Disclaimer I will keep aim assist on...
Sequal Rise LA 501 eme Citizens of Nowhere 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 08:54:00 - [6] - Quote Just one simple thing: TAKE OUT THIS AIMBOT. And give us our good old Dust back!
Grimm Mjolnir XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 10:23:00 - [7] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Just one simple thing: TAKE OUT THIS AIMBOT. And give us our good old Dust back! i agree it takes SKILL to shoot someone in this game But NOT ANYMORE.
Grimm Mjolnir XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 10:25:00 - [8] - Quote Gigatron Prime wrote: It works fine. STOP bunny hopping and start getting smart. OH really so how did you even manage to get kills before the update? It should take SKILL to get kills. People should not always hit there target in this game. Thats why i liked it because it actually had a skill factor Not anymore. Watch this game die now.
Bettie Boop 2100190003 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 115	Posted - 2013.09.04 11:31:00 - [9] - Quote I like the idea of an aim assist module, that has my support as long as you cannot stack them so you can aim 10m to the left/right of a target 50m away and still hit them.
Sequal Rise LA 501 eme Citizens of Nowhere 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 12:08:00 - [10] - Quote Or you might just learn to play and take some skill instead of being assisted all your life...

Stevilovitche LA 501 eme Citizens of Nowhere 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 12:13:00 - [11] - Quote +1000 Sequal
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3954	Posted - 2013.09.04 12:36:00 - [12] - Quote Gigatron Prime wrote: It works fine. STOP bunny hopping and start getting smart. It's not working fine. My entire ninja knifing profession is dead because of this aimbot-like aim assist. I can't kill anyone with a knife anymore and I poured my heart and soul and SP into just knives. These were the weapons that take the most amount of skill to use.
Stevilovitche LA 501 eme Citizens of Nowhere 0	Posted - 2013.09.04 13:27:00 - [13] - Quote I agree with Maken Tosh, scout dropsuit will become useless, we can't avoid enemy shots like before
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 308	Posted - 2013.09.04 13:37:00 - [14] - Quote Stevilovitche wrote: I agree with Maken Tosh, scout dropsuit will become useless, we can't avoid enemy shots like before the scout issue is separate to this. I support making scouts relevant again what we dont know is how bad hit detection was, to where it has improved too - which adds to the feeling of getting killed quicker
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3956	Posted - 2013.09.04 13:45:00 - [15] - Quote Stevilovitche wrote: I agree with Maken Tosh, scout dropsuit will become useless, we can't avoid enemy shots like before I don't mind getting hit by bullets more often as that is what fixing hit detection was for. But when every bullet in a clip hits you despite sprinting away from them at 9.63m/s towards the nearest cover, something is wrong.
Grimm Mjolnir XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 3	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:01:00 - [16] - Quote All the people that actually have skill are getting **** on. Because this OP aim assist that magnetizes bullets to players and i was even shot around a corner while i ran away from the enemy. REMOVE THIS ABOMINATION COMPLETELY!
I Shot You New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 11	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:23:00 - [17] - Quote Remove aim assist and skill up people not just luck u it the guy with the best gun and most armor instead of the best shot
Ice Fitzy Black Phoenix Mercenaries 27	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:38:00 - [18] - Quote All FPS shooters have an auto aim system, especially on console. I agree it needs reduced a bit, but a console FPS using a controller needs this system. And for the controller to be competitive with the precision and speed of the M/KB it is the only solution.
Sequal Rise LA 501 eme Citizens of Nowhere 0	Posted - 2013.09.05 01:11:00 - [19] - Quote This aimbot needs to be reduced a lot. It is too OP for now. And the KB system isn't working well if you're a true PC gamer, it's a way easier with a joystick! Anyway, reduce the auto aim and it will perfect !
Gigatron Prime The.Primes 324	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:30:00 - [20] - Quote Guys, I had a thought. Maybe it's not aim assist. Maybe the aiming issues were resolved and we've gotten so good killing with the old ****** aim system that now with the issue resolved and a teensy little aim assist we are GODS now! Basically, maybe it's not aim assist and everyone is just good.

Dheez STRONG-ARMED BANDITS 5	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:54:00 - [21] - Quote Aim assist, Aimbot, Smart bullets, whatever. it's a crutch, a cheap cheat no more reason to continue to spec into gears, equipment, weapons or to buy higher tiered materials. On a match today I was using a dragonfly with no damage mod and an exile AR went toe to toe and killed a raspberry in proto gear. Now MP is riddled with militia AR. Sadly it resembles those COD montage in youtube featuring 1 hit kills and titled "Awesome COD kills" or "Record kills"
pdiddy anfama KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:00:00 - [22] - Quote aim bot is too strong. It is a cheap add on. MD users are screwed now. We can't compete with every shot from an AR registering. Welcome to AR 514.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 14	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:09:00 - [23] - Quote Bettie Boop 2100190003 wrote: I like the idea of an aim assist module, that has my support as long as you cannot stack them so you can aim 10m to the left/right of a target 50m away and still hit them. That's fine so long as there's also a KB/M module. Or maybe keyboard is a high module, mouse a low module, so if you only use one you have to hold a controller in one hand
Al the destroyer The Phoenix Federation 14	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:36:00 - [24] - Quote Grimm Mjolnir wrote: Gigatron Prime wrote: It works fine. STOP bunny hopping and start getting smart. OH really so how did you even manage to get kills before the update? It should take SKILL to get kills. People should not always hit there target in this game. Thats why i liked it because it actually had a skill factor Not anymore. Watch this game die now. Anyone who likes this just died before 1.4 because they couldn't aim now with AUTO-AIM everyone is on equal footing in fact if you let AUTO-AIM do it for you.
demens grimwulff A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 4	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:54:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Stevilovitche wrote: I agree with Maken Tosh, scout dropsuit will become useless, we can't avoid enemy shots like before I don't mind getting hit by bullets more often as that is what fixing hit detection was for. But when every bullet in a clip hits you despite sprinting away from them at 9.63m/s towards the nearest cover, something is wrong. Think about what you just said and re-evaluate your statement. 9.63m/s is still 382m/s slower than even a slow moving handgun round, let alone about 1300m/s slower than an rifle round. Out run a bullet? You just want a fairytale game with super powers... Go play DCUO.
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 944	Posted - 2013.09.06 01:02:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Gigatron Prime wrote: It works fine. STOP bunny hopping and start getting smart. It's not working fine. My entire ninja knifing profession is dead because of this aimbot-like aim assist. I can't kill anyone with a knife anymore and I poured my heart and soul and SP into just knives. These were the weapons that take the most amount of skill to use. Maken Tosch is among the sneakiest, tactically-minded scouts in the game. He operates at severe disadvantage due to broken knives and a broken scout suit. He invests himself in the training of would-be assassins. Assassins who will share his disadvantage until the scout suit and knives are fixed. The preface above describes a problem of imbalance. Gifting everyone with A+ aim and unearned kills exacerbates the above imbalance. As CCP is interested in balance, Aim-Assist will likely have to be dialed back a 'bit. Otherwise, the AR and ScR are likely soon to be nerfed.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4017	Posted - 2013.09.06 01:17:00 - [27] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Gigatron Prime wrote: It works fine. STOP bunny hopping and start getting smart. It's not working fine. My entire ninja knifing profession is dead because of this aimbot-like aim assist. I can't kill anyone with a knife anymore and I poured my heart and soul and SP into just knives. These were the weapons that take the most amount of skill to use. Maken Tosch is among the sneakiest, tactically-minded scouts in the game. He operates at severe disadvantage due to broken knives and a broken scout suit. He invests himself in the training of would-be assassins. Assassins who will share his disadvantage until the scout suit and knives are fixed. The preface above describes a problem of imbalance. Gifting everyone with A+ aim and unearned kills exacerbates the above imbalance. As CCP is interested in balance, Aim-Assist will likely have to be dialed back a 'bit. If A+ aim for all is here to stay, the AR and ScR will likely have to be nerfed. I'm re-evaluating my statement about knifing being dead now. It's not entirely dead, but us knifers are still at a severe disadvantage as you said until CCP improves the knives, our scout suits, and give us a cloak.
2-Ton Twenty-One Ancient Exiles 892	Posted - 2013.09.06 01:21:00 - [28] - Quote Grimm Mjolnir wrote: The Problem i have with aim assist is this... it takes away skill from users. If someone gets the drop on you now you have 95 % chance of dying by a new player with militia gear. Now i have no problem getting dropped by a new player with militia gear, it's the fact that the game is aiming for them and that goes for every weapon in the game including grenades. My corp members and I concluded that if you really want aim assist in the game then put it as a module. I really would like to get feed back from other mercs on this issue. Thanks Ugggh if your getting killed by milt newbs it means your not very good bro, I fight them all the time and Im still kicking ass like its 1.3
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 944	Posted - 2013.09.06 01:44:00 - [29] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I'm re-evaluating my statement about knifing being dead now. It's not entirely dead, but us knifers are still at a severe disadvantage as you said until CCP improves the knives, our scout suits, and give us a cloak. There has been discussion of lunge mechanic.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4022	Posted - 2013.09.06 01:46:00 - [30] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm re-evaluating my statement about knifing being dead now. It's not entirely dead, but us knifers are still at a severe disadvantage as you said until CCP improves the knives, our scout suits, and give us a cloak. There has been discussion of lunge mechanic. That's what I don't get. Why does the melee have the lunge feature and not the knife?



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