DUST Search - To all those saying Aim Assist is too much

m twiggz wrote:

INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:

m twiggz wrote:

The aim assist is definitely not OP. Personally I chose not to use aim assist when I have the option. I tested it out this morning just to see how it would be. It barely follows the clone you're aiming at for more than a meter or two in any direction, nor does it aim directly at their head, like many have been saying it does. Also the aim assist doesn't lock on to a target unless you're within a certain amount of distance.

All in all I enjoy the addition of aim assist into the game to help new players not rage quit after their first 'proto-stomping'. As for the players saying it is OP and should be removed, you are wrong. Go play other FPS games, such as Call of Duty or Battlefield, look at their ridiculous aim assist, which does in fact aim directly at someone's head, and does follow the player. If you can't survive with this _slight_ aim assist, in your proto suit stacked with complex mods, you're doing something wrong.

I played them all, that's why I've stuck with dust buy boosters and an elite pack, if your saying there's no diffrence then why are we here? I liked dust even after a major suit nerf, and role bonus change, I like it because it was diffrent.

I'm saying that they are different. All I was comparing was the aim assist. Saying that the aim assist in this game is much less than the aim assist in those games, thus making the aim assist in this game definitely not OP, which is why I am wondering why people are complaining that it is.

I don't use aim assist in any game when given the option to turn it off, so personally it doesn't bother me at all whether its there or not. I just dislike all of the proto stompers now complaining that they cant sit in the middle of an open area with their stacked mods and survive because new players can actually aim at them. This game takes a lot of getting used to over any other FPS I've played, if CCP wants to implement things to help new players stay, then I am all for it. I prefer DUST over CoD or BF because DUST is a more in-depth game, not just a run and gun.

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Pandora Mars Afterlife Overseers 272	Posted - 2013.09.03 21:54:00 - [1] - Quote Is it possible that you played this game without any aim assist for so long that you are used to zero aim assist, so that you just "feel" like aim assist is too strong (because you're not used to it)? And to people saying there shouldn't be aim assist at all, in every single FPS/TPS there IS aim assist. I asked a couple friends from BF3 and Uncharted 3 (got many friends there because I loved these 2 games) to try DUST today with the current Aim Assist and they found it ok. One of them actually liked the overall game and maybe he's gonna play it some more. Another one was upset because of the extremely long matchmaking times (lol), but I explained this is an issue.
SERPENT-Adamapple Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 159	Posted - 2013.09.03 21:59:00 - [2] - Quote + 1, we need all the new players we can get, even if aim assist feels good for them and not for vets.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3361	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:00:00 - [3] - Quote There's sense in that post op, but I have to say that the amount of times I'm getting headshotted is just too high. The accuracy of the berries had increased hugely, IMO it needs to be dialed back a tad.
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 507	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:01:00 - [4] - Quote Working as intended. Game strafing speeds are too high. It's the least us DS3 players should have. -XOXO
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 113	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:04:00 - [5] - Quote SERPENT-Adamapple wrote: + 1, we need all the new players we can get, even if aim assist feels good for them and not for vets. Why? Just because your used to being that way? That is a terrible reason for something to not change.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 269	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:07:00 - [6] - Quote i think the proto bears r just sad that the newer players no longer have to spray and pray with the new aim assist..
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 82	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:08:00 - [7] - Quote Nothing wrong with aim assist, however what are views on the ar now?? I only had one match and it was a pubstomp so havent had an opportunity to assess for my self??
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1461	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:31:00 - [8] - Quote +1 for a decent thread. Small changes need to happen, but slight adjustments is all it would take.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 285	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:49:00 - [9] - Quote CCP doesn't understand the concept of small staggered adjustments. They would use a twenty pound sledge for a thumb tac.
Shane Darko The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 80	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:51:00 - [10] - Quote ..Wish I knew how it felt. :( plasma cannon user

Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 421	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:52:00 - [11] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: CCP doesn't understand to concept of small staggered adjustments. They would use a twenty pound sledge for a thumb tac. I agree. Aim assist should provide a reduced input when aiming near a target and maybe slight magnetism. It's completely ruined the FPS aspect because it's a "pick your target and hold trigger" type of aiming. The magnetism is way too strong, especially in CQC and short range encounters...
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 459	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:55:00 - [12] - Quote i like how like made the PR's projectiles have magnets on the ends, then ****** up the shotties even more -_-
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 140	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:07:00 - [13] - Quote The aim assist change really isnt that noticeable for mewhen im shooting but im noticing people are droping me MUCH quicker than before
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1354	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:08:00 - [14] - Quote SERPENT-Adamapple wrote: + 1, we need all the new players we can get, even if aim assist feels good for them and not for vets. Can't vets just turn it off?
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 607	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:12:00 - [15] - Quote What is the point in having high EHP in Dust (as compared to CoD or BF3) when applied dps is much higher because the aim assists are so sticky completely that it negates the need for consistent accurate aim/skill
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC TYRANNY of EVIL MEN 30	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:21:00 - [16] - Quote Aim assist is for those who suck, and negates the skill of those who don't, this aa is to much because it reduces skill and put more emphasis on first shot and feels more arcade like, I mean forget turning ona flanker and managing to use skill like strafeing to get out of a death or if your a scout now forget about it...... Hardcore aim assist another great thing brought to us by the eve nerd pilots that have no business in fps, get them off the cpm now?
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 88	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:26:00 - [17] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Aim assist is for those who suck, and negates the skill of those who don't, this aa is to much because it reduces skill and put more emphasis on first shot and feels more arcade like, I mean forget turning ona flanker and managing to use skill like strafeing to get out of a death or if your a scout now forget about it...... Hardcore aim assist another great thing brought to us by the eve nerd pilots that have no business in fps, get them off the cpm now? It would appear peoples experience with aim assist differ some say aim bot some say barely noticeable, give it a chance only 4 weeks till 1.5
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC TYRANNY of EVIL MEN 30	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:33:00 - [18] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Aim assist is for those who suck, and negates the skill of those who don't, this aa is to much because it reduces skill and put more emphasis on first shot and feels more arcade like, I mean forget turning ona flanker and managing to use skill like strafeing to get out of a death or if your a scout now forget about it...... Hardcore aim assist another great thing brought to us by the eve nerd pilots that have no business in fps, get them off the cpm now? It would appear peoples experience with aim assist differ some say aim bot some say barely noticeable, give it a chance only 4 weeks till 1.5 I'm not saying its to much for me, people who don't notice it like my self are people who have never needed it, so yes we don't notice to much, we already had the sight in the right spot when we ads, but for people who have been sucking suddenly they are laying down protos?????? That might be to much.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 117	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:37:00 - [19] - Quote Pandora Mars wrote: Is it possible that you played this game without any aim assist for so long that you are used to zero aim assist, so that you just "feel" like aim assist is too strong (because you're not used to it)? And to people saying there shouldn't be aim assist at all, in every single FPS/TPS there IS aim assist. I asked a couple friends from BF3 and Uncharted 3 (got many friends there because I loved these 2 games) to try DUST today with the current Aim Assist and they found it ok. One of them actually liked the overall game and maybe he's gonna play it some more. Another one was upset because of the extremely long matchmaking times (lol), but I explained this is an issue. Aim assist is only in console games, any competitive games and tourney games do not have it. Its for scrubs who need help and shouldnt be in a game like dust
itsmellslikefish DIOS EX. Top Men. 202	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:37:00 - [20] - Quote Mwahahahah now no one can say we snipers require no skill. since our wepons don't have aim assist! Mommy dosen't have help us(snipers) pee. Mwahahahah

da GAND High-Damage 239	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:42:00 - [21] - Quote Right so now we are nearly on the same level with those that got no gun game when it comes to aiming
Eno Raef KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 70	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:52:00 - [22] - Quote Aim assist doesn't just help those that aren't as quick with pinpoint aiming. It helps everyone kill more efficiently. I don't see a problem in that since everyone benefits. It helps lesser accurate players become more competitive. More competition for the accurate players means they may die more. As others have condescendingly told to players they didn't agree with, "learn to adapt". In theory, this could actually reduce pub stomping but it's too soon to tell. It sounds like the aim assist fix may have been a good thing.
Pandora Mars Afterlife Overseers 280	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:53:00 - [23] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Pandora Mars wrote: Is it possible that you played this game without any aim assist for so long that you are used to zero aim assist, so that you just "feel" like aim assist is too strong (because you're not used to it)? And to people saying there shouldn't be aim assist at all, in every single FPS/TPS there IS aim assist. I asked a couple friends from BF3 and Uncharted 3 (got many friends there because I loved these 2 games) to try DUST today with the current Aim Assist and they found it ok. One of them actually liked the overall game and maybe he's gonna play it some more. Another one was upset because of the extremely long matchmaking times (lol), but I explained this is an issue. Aim assist is only in console games, any competitive games and tourney games do not have it. Its for scrubs who need help and shouldnt be in a game like dust DUST is a console game. So we console gamers shouldn't be playing a console game? If you think true gamers play only PC games, maybe you should not be playing DUST, I don't know. There are competitive tournaments for console games and there is aim assist there. I played and won Uncharted 3 competitive tournaments.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1404	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:53:00 - [24] - Quote Eno Raef wrote: Aim assist doesn't just help those that aren't as quick with pinpoint aiming. It helps everyone kill more efficiently. I don't see a problem in that since everyone benefits. It helps lesser accurate players become more competitive. More competition for the accurate players means they may die more. As others have condescendingly told to players they didn't agree with, "learn to adapt". In theory, this could actually reduce pub stomping but it's too soon to tell. It sounds like the aim assist fix may have been a good thing. simply false. good players are actually hindered by aim assist, and any competitive player worth their salt in this game has it off. it would be different if we ever had a functioning, proper aim assist, but it is one of the things they have never been able to nail down
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3932	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:54:00 - [25] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QI4wmuzjmU
da GAND High-Damage 239	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:54:00 - [26] - Quote Eno Raef wrote: Aim assist doesn't just help those that aren't as quick with pinpoint aiming. It helps everyone kill more efficiently. I don't see a problem in that since everyone benefits. It helps lesser accurate players become more competitive. More competition for the accurate players means they may die more. As others have condescendingly told to players they didn't agree with, "learn to adapt". In theory, this could actually reduce pub stomping but it's too soon to tell. It sounds like the aim assist fix may have been a good thing. Right cuz auto aim is helping stop pub stomping when we get 10 v 6 or 16 vs 5 battles
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 951	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:55:00 - [27] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Pandora Mars wrote: Is it possible that you played this game without any aim assist for so long that you are used to zero aim assist, so that you just "feel" like aim assist is too strong (because you're not used to it)? And to people saying there shouldn't be aim assist at all, in every single FPS/TPS there IS aim assist. I asked a couple friends from BF3 and Uncharted 3 (got many friends there because I loved these 2 games) to try DUST today with the current Aim Assist and they found it ok. One of them actually liked the overall game and maybe he's gonna play it some more. Another one was upset because of the extremely long matchmaking times (lol), but I explained this is an issue. Aim assist is only in console games, any competitive games and tourney games do not have it. Its for scrubs who need help and shouldn't be in a game like dust First in a "game like dust" your making it sound like it actually is better than any FPS game. Lost planet 3 is better than dust. Second as someone who never had problems aiming, I don't really feel it, this game had issues with aiming a mile long. No it's wasn't cause we were ALL SO GOOD. We couldn't lick the boot straps off of the boots off the GODS of FPS. And many would tell you that aiming was off. And last is PLAYER RETENTION. All fps is fun for a reason. and many have aim assists for a reason. But if I have to spell out why this game needs to start showing some traits that most fps shares it, all that will be left is just nerds who think they are great in fps.
Leovarian L Lavitz Better Academy. 622	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:56:00 - [28] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Aim assist is for those who suck, and negates the skill of those who don't, this aa is to much because it reduces skill and put more emphasis on first shot and feels more arcade like, I mean forget turning ona flanker and managing to use skill like strafeing to get out of a death or if your a scout now forget about it...... Hardcore aim assist another great thing brought to us by the eve nerd pilots that have no business in fps, get them off the cpm now? Use cover. It's there for a reason. I know I know, you've been completely ignoring the cover this whole time and dashing straight into the enemy's face. With aim assist here, you actually have to think a little bit when you consider that almost 100% of the enemies DPS will hit you if you run out in the open.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC TYRANNY of EVIL MEN 30	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:58:00 - [29] - Quote Yes, maybe that was ccps intent to stop protos in pubs but I don't like it. If it makes things so even what's the point in having to pay for proto guns that have 5 percent damage diffrence between them when a left flanker hits you with a militia ar all up side your head on everyshot bc of aa and your done.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC TYRANNY of EVIL MEN 30	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:04:00 - [30] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Aim assist is for those who suck, and negates the skill of those who don't, this aa is to much because it reduces skill and put more emphasis on first shot and feels more arcade like, I mean forget turning ona flanker and managing to use skill like strafeing to get out of a death or if your a scout now forget about it...... Hardcore aim assist another great thing brought to us by the eve nerd pilots that have no business in fps, get them off the cpm now? Use cover. It's there for a reason. I know I know, you've been completely ignoring the cover this whole time and dashing straight into the enemy's face. With aim assist here, you actually have to think a little bit when you consider that almost 100% of the enemies DPS will hit you if you run out in the open. Yes use cover so that your head sticking out is all they hit, let me know how that goes, even using cover is made less useful not more by aa, and there are many situations outside of hiding behind something where the aa is to much.

m twiggz Pawns and Kings The Superpowers 2	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:06:00 - [31] - Quote The aim assist is definitely not OP. Personally I chose not to use aim assist when I have the option. I tested it out this morning just to see how it would be. It barely follows the clone you're aiming at for more than a meter or two in any direction, nor does it aim directly at their head, like many have been saying it does. Also the aim assist doesn't lock on to a target unless you're within a certain amount of distance. All in all I enjoy the addition of aim assist into the game to help new players not rage quit after their first 'proto-stomping'. As for the players saying it is OP and should be removed, you are wrong. Go play other FPS games, such as Call of Duty or Battlefield, look at their ridiculous aim assist, which does in fact aim directly at someone's head, and does follow the player. If you can't survive with this _slight_ aim assist, in your proto suit stacked with complex mods, you're doing something wrong.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC TYRANNY of EVIL MEN 30	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:07:00 - [32] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Aim assist is for those who suck, and negates the skill of those who don't, this aa is to much because it reduces skill and put more emphasis on first shot and feels more arcade like, I mean forget turning ona flanker and managing to use skill like strafeing to get out of a death or if your a scout now forget about it...... Hardcore aim assist another great thing brought to us by the eve nerd pilots that have no business in fps, get them off the cpm now? Use cover. It's there for a reason. I know I know, you've been completely ignoring the cover this whole time and dashing straight into the enemy's face. With aim assist here, you actually have to think a little bit when you consider that almost 100% of the enemies DPS will hit you if you run out in the open. Also if 100 percent of the enemy dps hits you with aa, which it won't what's the purpose for things like accuracy ratings on weapons? Some aa might be ok but I think this level is to much?
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC TYRANNY of EVIL MEN 30	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:12:00 - [33] - Quote m twiggz wrote: The aim assist is definitely not OP. Personally I chose not to use aim assist when I have the option. I tested it out this morning just to see how it would be. It barely follows the clone you're aiming at for more than a meter or two in any direction, nor does it aim directly at their head, like many have been saying it does. Also the aim assist doesn't lock on to a target unless you're within a certain amount of distance. All in all I enjoy the addition of aim assist into the game to help new players not rage quit after their first 'proto-stomping'. As for the players saying it is OP and should be removed, you are wrong. Go play other FPS games, such as Call of Duty or Battlefield, look at their ridiculous aim assist, which does in fact aim directly at someone's head, and does follow the player. If you can't survive with this _slight_ aim assist, in your proto suit stacked with complex mods, you're doing something wrong. I played them all, that's why I've stuck with dust buy boosters and an elite pack, if your saying there's no diffrence then why are we here? I liked dust even after a major suit nerf, and role bonus change, I like it because it was diffrent.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 141	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:12:00 - [34] - Quote I honestly dont think its a problem, it seems the same as bf3 to me
Eno Raef KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 70	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:18:00 - [35] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Eno Raef wrote: Aim assist doesn't just help those that aren't as quick with pinpoint aiming. It helps everyone kill more efficiently. I don't see a problem in that since everyone benefits. It helps lesser accurate players become more competitive. More competition for the accurate players means they may die more. As others have condescendingly told to players they didn't agree with, "learn to adapt". In theory, this could actually reduce pub stomping but it's too soon to tell. It sounds like the aim assist fix may have been a good thing. simply false. good players are actually hindered by aim assist, and any competitive player worth their salt in this game has it off. it would be different if we ever had a functioning, proper aim assist, but it is one of the things they have never been able to nail down Since CCP's aim assist in Dust has never been good and as of Uprising, has not been on, therefore, it didn't matter if the player was competitive or not, good or bad, whether aim assist was on or off. Because it was bad in the beginning and off in Uprising, no one can determine whether it would actually help or hurt a player, good or bad, competitive or not. Yes you are correct, it would be different if we had a good aim assist, and that's what CCP is trying to give us with 1.4. Time will tell if CCP has aim assist working so we don't know yet how it will affect players. BUT, if aim assist is still bad then it doesn't help anyone. If it does work properly as other games have it, then it offers the same assistance for those both good and bad at aiming.
m twiggz Pawns and Kings The Superpowers 2	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:19:00 - [36] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: m twiggz wrote: The aim assist is definitely not OP. Personally I chose not to use aim assist when I have the option. I tested it out this morning just to see how it would be. It barely follows the clone you're aiming at for more than a meter or two in any direction, nor does it aim directly at their head, like many have been saying it does. Also the aim assist doesn't lock on to a target unless you're within a certain amount of distance. All in all I enjoy the addition of aim assist into the game to help new players not rage quit after their first 'proto-stomping'. As for the players saying it is OP and should be removed, you are wrong. Go play other FPS games, such as Call of Duty or Battlefield, look at their ridiculous aim assist, which does in fact aim directly at someone's head, and does follow the player. If you can't survive with this _slight_ aim assist, in your proto suit stacked with complex mods, you're doing something wrong. I played them all, that's why I've stuck with dust buy boosters and an elite pack, if your saying there's no diffrence then why are we here? I liked dust even after a major suit nerf, and role bonus change, I like it because it was diffrent. I'm saying that they are different. All I was comparing was the aim assist. Saying that the aim assist in this game is much less than the aim assist in those games, thus making the aim assist in this game definitely not OP. I don't use aim assist in any game when given the option to turn it off, so personally it doesn't bother me at all whether its there or not. I just dislike all of the proto stompers now complaining that they cant sit in the middle of an open area with their stacked mods and survive because new players can actually aim at them. This game takes a lot of getting used to over any other FPS I've played, if CCP wants to implement things to help new players stay, then I am all for it. I prefer DUST over CoD or BF because DUST is a more in-depth game, not just a run and gun.
m twiggz Pawns and Kings The Superpowers 2	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:20:00 - [37] - Quote m twiggz wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: m twiggz wrote: The aim assist is definitely not OP. Personally I chose not to use aim assist when I have the option. I tested it out this morning just to see how it would be. It barely follows the clone you're aiming at for more than a meter or two in any direction, nor does it aim directly at their head, like many have been saying it does. Also the aim assist doesn't lock on to a target unless you're within a certain amount of distance. All in all I enjoy the addition of aim assist into the game to help new players not rage quit after their first 'proto-stomping'. As for the players saying it is OP and should be removed, you are wrong. Go play other FPS games, such as Call of Duty or Battlefield, look at their ridiculous aim assist, which does in fact aim directly at someone's head, and does follow the player. If you can't survive with this _slight_ aim assist, in your proto suit stacked with complex mods, you're doing something wrong. I played them all, that's why I've stuck with dust buy boosters and an elite pack, if your saying there's no diffrence then why are we here? I liked dust even after a major suit nerf, and role bonus change, I like it because it was diffrent. I'm saying that they are different. All I was comparing was the aim assist. Saying that the aim assist in this game is much less than the aim assist in those games, thus making the aim assist in this game definitely not OP, which is why I am wondering why people are complaining that it is. I don't use aim assist in any game when given the option to turn it off, so personally it doesn't bother me at all whether its there or not. I just dislike all of the proto stompers now complaining that they cant sit in the middle of an open area with their stacked mods and survive because new players can actually aim at them. This game takes a lot of getting used to over any other FPS I've played, if CCP wants to implement things to help new players stay, then I am all for it. I prefer DUST over CoD or BF because DUST is a more in-depth game, not just a run and gun.
Eno Raef KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 71	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:23:00 - [38] - Quote da GAND wrote: Eno Raef wrote: Aim assist doesn't just help those that aren't as quick with pinpoint aiming. It helps everyone kill more efficiently. I don't see a problem in that since everyone benefits. It helps lesser accurate players become more competitive. More competition for the accurate players means they may die more. As others have condescendingly told to players they didn't agree with, "learn to adapt". In theory, this could actually reduce pub stomping but it's too soon to tell. It sounds like the aim assist fix may have been a good thing. Right cuz auto aim is helping stop pub stomping when we get 10 v 6 or 16 vs 5 battles Obviously it is understood that a 10v6 or 16v5 would not apply since the teams are not evenly numbered. My original post states that theoretically pub stomping could be reduced, not eliminated. That also does not mean that pub stomping will necessarily be affected at all, only that it could possibly be reduced.


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