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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote:

howard sanchez wrote:

STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote:

Panther Alpha wrote:

You want my opinion? .... We don't even know yet the impact that all this is going to have... it haven't been not even 24 hours since the Patch deployment, can we have this discussion a week from now ? once we have calm down, and seen how everything is working ?

A week, a month, a year... I don't need another day to watch how overly strong aim assist is right now. Explain to me how any amount of time will make a difference on this issue?? It's not going to magically tone itself down as everyone "gets used to it." Sorry, but have you watched CEOpyrex's youtube video of 1.4, maybe you should if you haven't, or how about just playing the game and once it locks on while ADS and it WILL follow them as long as you don't move the right joystick.

See, this post here makes me think of you as an overly entitled American 20 something.

It's really NOT all about You

Time spent playing with these new settings allows CCP to gather data
Now, don't get all TLDR on me, stealth...
Data helps serious people make serious decisions.

If CCP made decisions about how to design and implement change in game based solely on forum posts...what kind of game do you think we'd be playing?

I know I know, you think it would be great because YOU know exactly how CCP should make this game: your way

Wow, I make a post with my opinion that I think aim assist needs toned down a little (not turned off) and someone tries to tell me thier opinion and instantly criticises me about the fact I've already formed an opinion and they haven't gotten to play enough to decide so I must be wrong??
Whats wrong with you people? Seriously I stated what I believe needs changed just like many others have. Your free to make your own post with your opinion.... theres no reason for you to attack me in such a way because you disagree. Grow up.

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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 24	Posted - 2013.09.04 10:27:00 - [91] - Quote Thats fine for you to wait and check it out. I have been playing and I have tested it, thus I have formed an opinion.... just because you need more time doesn't give you the right to demand everyone else to wait a week or so. I want this fixed asap, I don't want it turned off either, I just believe its a little too strong from what I've seen and you should have to be closer for it to take effect and if they strafe much it should not stay completely locked on.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 775	Posted - 2013.09.04 10:38:00 - [92] - Quote For folks complaining bout matchmaking, until they get a fix, just switch your server. I switched to Europe servers during the day and the matchmaking was quick. Though it would put you in game types not requested, it was still a nice streamlined process to the game. Once they fix the game mode selection problem, we will have a better matchmaking system than the previous one.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. 304	Posted - 2013.09.04 10:44:00 - [93] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: See, all the hardcore fps ragin A-teamers are out in force complaint about two things: matchmaking and aim assist What you don't seem to grok yet is that the two issues are inherently tied together and it's not aiming that was buffed or matchmaking broken; YOU have been nerfed Now that I can effectively fire an AR in Dust I will be able to stand up against amped up fps super squads ( just look at the corps posting the loudest whines). This makes unbalanced matches less of an issue. This makes it less likely that I will afk vs RnD, Gunfall, TP squads. You *** when I use mass drivers, you *** when CCP teaches me to aim....nothing but a cardboard Howard Sanchez effigee will please you?! Screw that, you hardcore ADS genetically altered fps freak gangs....I got my OP aim assist and I am coming for you go to whoalol.com for more
noob cavman A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 23	Posted - 2013.09.04 11:43:00 - [94] - Quote The aim assist is tearing scouts apart. As in no mater how fast they run or bunny hop or duck and dive any ar at any range is tearing through all that hp. Made a speed tank proto cal assault with close to 600 hp to test as the scout just couldn't handle even a glance. Problems so far.... 1. The ar can at any range even when I'm dancing around and through you land hits and a lot of them. 2. Speed tanking just has no real benefit when everyone can land shots on me. 3. The shotty hit detection is just worse in everyway. 4.the aim assist feels intrusive on the ar. Best way I can describe it.... not taking pleasure from killing reds as much. 5. Match making but anon described it perfectly. 6. Scotty ..... I hate scotty.... 7. Scouts and more so my shotty brothers have been delt a bad hand.. AGAIN. 8. You made the greatest thing of being scout when you dance gracefully dealing death with the shotgun feel.... violated 9. Hope. When for 1 in every 10 games I have what the shotgun is made for. When hit detection works flawlessly and not taking 3 to 4 shots to down people. Mostly about scout and shotty. But there is a lot of good things happening to other weapons I like. Just my niche amd favorite playing style just is no where as fun as 1.3
noob cavman A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 25	Posted - 2013.09.04 12:03:00 - [95] - Quote A view from a scout player by ceo Pyrex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QI4wmuzjmU&feature=youtu.be&t=1m43s Shows a fair bit wrong with scouts
WeapondigitX V7 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 81	Posted - 2013.09.04 12:26:00 - [96] - Quote I am ok with the aim assist features because now you have to play more tactically to have a chance instead of just taking someone head on. If you are shield tanked and the enemy is armor tanked the armor tankers will win EVERY time if both of you are really good/skilled at aiming and you have a 1 vs 1 showdown. Shield tankers are meant to win against armor tankers by recharging shields after they are fully or partially depleted repeatedly. Recharging shields takes time and that's the shield tankers weakness. Armor tankers weakness is they regenerate slower so they must take shield tankers down before they can get into cover and recover there shields. They must chase retreating shield tankers to win. That's my opinion anyway. The laser rifles aim assist makes the aiming reticle attracted to the enemy. The attraction is very noticeable but not OP in my opinion. Additionally the aim assist does not make the aiming reticle track the target with 100% accuracy for more than 0.2 seconds roughly (at 85m roughly) . After that the target escapes aim. The target escapes your aim faster if he is closer to you and that effect continues to be added to until he is right in front of you. The laser rifle is also a UP weapon compared to other weapons in versatility. I am fine with the extra aim assist with the laser rifle. If you die to it with a AR or other medium range weapon then you are probably engaging it at its optimal range and at the end of your effective range (or perhaps are engaging them close to your absolute range). Meaning you are engaging it where the laser rifle was meant to win. Additionally the weapon does really low damage at CQC and medium range (50- 60m). Now that I have a taste of the laser rifle with aim assist in 1.4, I think that if its optimal range was made to be a wider range (example: 80-90m to 60-100m) then it would be OP because it is easier to have very good accuracy now with the laser rifle. Additionally if your proto suit dies to a BPO suit or militia suit then obviously your opponent is better skilled than you (if its a head on fight) if he took you by surprise then he deserves the kill.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3565	Posted - 2013.09.04 12:27:00 - [97] - Quote noob cavman wrote: A view from a scout player by ceo Pyrex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QI4wmuzjmU&feature=youtu.be&t=1m43s Shows a fair bit wrong with scouts He points out 2 problems with Scouts. 1. His Scout suit is too weak to go head-on against an AR-wielding Assault when he already lost most of his health killing one previously, and doesn't have armour reppers so he started the fight with practically nothing but shields to save him. 2. The Shotgun problem which has already been identified by CCP with a patch due in about 24 hours. Other than that, he was relying on bad tactics that only worked in the past thanks to poor hit detection, and deserved the damage he took as a result.
Israckcatarac Opus Arcana 28	Posted - 2013.09.04 12:41:00 - [98] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: See, all the hardcore fps ragin A-teamers are out in force complaint about two things: matchmaking and aim assist What you don't seem to grok yet is that the two issues are inherently tied together and it's not aiming that was buffed or matchmaking broken; YOU have been nerfed Now that I can effectively fire an AR in Dust I will be able to stand up against amped up fps super squads ( just look at the corps posting the loudest whines). This makes unbalanced matches less of an issue. This makes it less likely that I will afk vs RnD, Gunfall, TP squads. You *** when I use mass drivers, you *** when CCP teaches me to aim....nothing but a cardboard Howard Sanchez effigee will please you?! Screw that, you hardcore ADS genetically altered fps freak gangs....I got my OP aim assist and I am coming for you Problem is it go's both way's I have gone from an average 4-5 head shot's per match to 9-10 head shot's. That's with a Gek. What is realy nasty is a scrambler pistol high damage almost alway's head shot's, 2 round's kill. Off to try the breach and tac ar yummy.
howard sanchez DUST University Ivy League 710	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:13:00 - [99] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: howard sanchez wrote: See, all the hardcore fps ragin A-teamers are out in force complaint about two things: matchmaking and aim assist What you don't seem to grok yet is that the two issues are inherently tied together and it's not aiming that was buffed or matchmaking broken; YOU have been nerfed Now that I can effectively fire an AR in Dust I will be able to stand up against amped up fps super squads ( just look at the corps posting the loudest whines). This makes unbalanced matches less of an issue. This makes it less likely that I will afk vs RnD, Gunfall, TP squads. You *** when I use mass drivers, you *** when CCP teaches me to aim....nothing but a cardboard Howard Sanchez effigee will please you?! Screw that, you hardcore ADS genetically altered fps freak gangs....I got my OP aim assist and I am coming for you lol never seen someone praise aim assist as a good thing lol @ CCP teachin u how to aim. are u being srs? gotta b trollin...... Ok, I willbe honest and admit to a poorly executed troll-esque post here. And this reply is in honor of Lurch and his gentlemanly response above. I was just reading SO MUCH of what sounded like "elitist hate" post from fps players that have spent 8 months pub stomping the crap out of new players... Well it felt good to take a jab back at them I am neither new to dust nor good at aiming with the DS3. I don't plan on earning a living playing e-sports so spending hundreds of hours building fps ADS skills doesn't hold the kind of thrill for me that it may for others. I will just say that my biggest point "in support of aim assist" is my position against everyone bandwaggoning against aim assist because of what looked like a wave of elite players whining about a change in game mechanics. As most of you should know, people seem much different in squad voice than they do on the forums. And I believe that most of us want a skill based competitive FUN game that is played by thousands upon thousands of peeps worldwide. I just don't agree that every poster on these forums (myself included) knows the best approach to developing that game right now
howard sanchez DUST University Ivy League 710	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:26:00 - [100] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Alright, I'm tired of seeing this crap about aim assist not being too strong. QFT!!! Seriously if you can honestly say it doesn't make you shoot like you've won Top Shot then you're only saying this so it won't get changed and you go back to being mowed down by people with REAL gun game. Currently there is little to no skill involved in shooting anyone, whether ADS or hip fire... FACT! Basically one on one battles come down to a few factors, who deals more DPS, who has more HP, and last but certainly the most beneficial... who aims at who first..... FACT! Once you've ADS at someone as long as you don't push joystick off of them it will continue to stay essentially "locked" on... FACT! Speed tanking (mainly scouts), strafing, or generally any other viable use of skill or manoeuvre ability that previously was a great advantage has now been turned into utterly useless methods... FACT! This is not just my opinion but the opinion of many others who DO NOT want this game turned into easy mode simply because some people can't aim or don't want to even try to get better. I would rather deal with KB/M users having an advantage than everyone having this aim assist do all the work for them. Mr stealthhunter0, The gentleman in post #86 above you happens to have serious gun game. And his response comes across as much more honest, open minded and objective than yours. I respectfully request a minus one button just for your post

howard sanchez DUST University Ivy League 712	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:38:00 - [101] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: You want my opinion? .... We don't even know yet the impact that all this is going to have... it haven't been not even 24 hours since the Patch deployment, can we have this discussion a week from now ? once we have calm down, and seen how everything is working ? A week, a month, a year... I don't need another day to watch how overly strong aim assist is right now. Explain to me how any amount of time will make a difference on this issue?? It's not going to magically tone itself down as everyone "gets used to it." Sorry, but have you watched CEOpyrex's youtube video of 1.4, maybe you should if you haven't, or how about just playing the game and once it locks on while ADS and it WILL follow them as long as you don't move the right joystick. See, this post here makes me think of you as an overly entitled American 20 something. It's really NOT all about You Time spent playing with these new settings allows CCP to gather data Now, don't get all TLDR on me, stealth... Data helps serious people make serious decisions. If CCP made decisions about how to design and implement change in game based solely on forum posts...what kind of game do you think we'd be playing? I know I know, you think it would be great because YOU know exactly how CCP should make this game: your way
Atom Heart Mother We Who Walk Alone 45	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:41:00 - [102] - Quote The game is now far too easy. Aim assist should be removed. There was a time when aiming wasn't that bad... was it chromosome? will, nevertheless, why not take a few steps back and use that?
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 584	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:49:00 - [103] - Quote Tune down the aim assist A LOT and fix matchmaking then it'd be great. Armor is as good as shields, MDs aren't the only weaponthat hits reliably anymore, tanks are better (by a little little bit), and the sound and visuals are awesome. It had ggreat fixes but the new glitches ruin it.
Nihilus Warwick Pradox XVI 27	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:54:00 - [104] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: While feedback can be helpful, it can also be misleading! For the most part change itself can cause an uproar, but at the same time persistent constructive uproar is usually a good indication. So while some things are very much known issues that are not working as intended, other things are more of a - well lets see how this really pans out before we knee-jerk and fix it. So please keep the feedback coming, be constructive and please know that you are being read. My eyes are not bleeding, (yet) I am here reading you! :) Couple questions, is aim assist automatically set to on? And can you track who has it on and if they've gotten a butt load more kills? I didn't check to see if it was on or not last night, but I noticed that my shots were hitting the targets, and I was able to kill. I wonder if people who are complaining about aim assist are actually just feeling hit detection kicking in.
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 212	Posted - 2013.09.04 19:54:00 - [105] - Quote please fix the issues ccp i want to be able to kill and enjoy the game again
Alldin Kan TeamPlayers EoN. 575	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:02:00 - [106] - Quote All this talk about aim assist being too good seems kinda funny considering how I'm getting 40+ kills in Skirmish against those people.
Nihilus Warwick Pradox XVI 27	Posted - 2013.09.04 22:38:00 - [107] - Quote Alldin, I see you in a match and switch to my free fits. No point trying. :)
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2013.09.05 00:14:00 - [108] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: You want my opinion? .... We don't even know yet the impact that all this is going to have... it haven't been not even 24 hours since the Patch deployment, can we have this discussion a week from now ? once we have calm down, and seen how everything is working ? A week, a month, a year... I don't need another day to watch how overly strong aim assist is right now. Explain to me how any amount of time will make a difference on this issue?? It's not going to magically tone itself down as everyone "gets used to it." Sorry, but have you watched CEOpyrex's youtube video of 1.4, maybe you should if you haven't, or how about just playing the game and once it locks on while ADS and it WILL follow them as long as you don't move the right joystick. See, this post here makes me think of you as an overly entitled American 20 something. It's really NOT all about You Time spent playing with these new settings allows CCP to gather data Now, don't get all TLDR on me, stealth... Data helps serious people make serious decisions. If CCP made decisions about how to design and implement change in game based solely on forum posts...what kind of game do you think we'd be playing? I know I know, you think it would be great because YOU know exactly how CCP should make this game: your way Wow, I make a post with my opinion that I think aim assist needs toned down a little (not turned off) and someone tries to tell me thier opinion and instantly criticises me about the fact I've already formed an opinion and they haven't gotten to play enough to decide so I must be wrong?? Whats wrong with you people? Seriously I stated what I believe needs changed just like many others have. Your free to make your own post with your opinion.... theres no reason for you to attack me in such a way because you disagree. Grow up. Btw, I love how you stated in an earlier post that its "teaching" you to aim Lmao.
Flux Raeder WarRavens League of Infamy 207	Posted - 2013.09.05 00:57:00 - [109] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: remove aimbot, any serious game doesnt have it. If people suck with gamepads then they suck with game pads and shouldnt be given a helping hand. The game is garbage with it. First of all stop calling it "aimbot". From what I understand the initial build allowed for some random moments of over assisting, allowing people to get kills hey shouldn't have, this was random however and did not affect all users. Since the last patch it seems to have settled down a bit so it should not be such an issue regardless. And finally, your whole statement is completely ignorant: every game HAS aim assist, every fps for the console for he last decade has had aim assist. If you sucked at the game pad for dust but were a beast in any other fps (i tear **** up in bf3/halo/mag/moh etc.) it probably means the game pad in place for dust sucked.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3648	Posted - 2013.09.05 01:29:00 - [110] - Quote Flux Raeder wrote: And finally, your whole statement is completely ignorant: every game HAS aim assist, every fps for the console for he last decade has had aim assist. If you sucked at the game pad for dust but were a beast in any other fps (i tear **** up in bf3/halo/mag/moh etc.) it probably means the game pad in place for dust sucked. There are a lot of FPS games for consoles that have only a "passive" aim assist - the kind the CCP devs call "aim friction", which was active in 1.3 and hasn't been adjusted for 1.4 at all. This is not affected by the "aim assist on/off" option in the menu, so it can't be disabled. The aim assist that has caused problems is an auto-aim system where your character will act without player input, turning to track a target under certain conditions.

Hunter Junko Zanzibar Concept 158	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:18:00 - [111] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: howard sanchez wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: You want my opinion? .... We don't even know yet the impact that all this is going to have... it haven't been not even 24 hours since the Patch deployment, can we have this discussion a week from now ? once we have calm down, and seen how everything is working ? A week, a month, a year... I don't need another day to watch how overly strong aim assist is right now. Explain to me how any amount of time will make a difference on this issue?? It's not going to magically tone itself down as everyone "gets used to it." Sorry, but have you watched CEOpyrex's youtube video of 1.4, maybe you should if you haven't, or how about just playing the game and once it locks on while ADS and it WILL follow them as long as you don't move the right joystick. See, this post here makes me think of you as an overly entitled American 20 something. It's really NOT all about You Time spent playing with these new settings allows CCP to gather data Now, don't get all TLDR on me, stealth... Data helps serious people make serious decisions. If CCP made decisions about how to design and implement change in game based solely on forum posts...what kind of game do you think we'd be playing? I know I know, you think it would be great because YOU know exactly how CCP should make this game: your way Wow, I make a post with my opinion that I think aim assist needs toned down a little (not turned off) and someone tries to tell me thier opinion and instantly criticises me about the fact I've already formed an opinion and they haven't gotten to play enough to decide so I must be wrong?? Whats wrong with you people? Seriously I stated what I believe needs changed just like many others have. Your free to make your own post with your opinion.... theres no reason for you to attack me in such a way because you disagree. Grow up. to restate what he said: "one day is nothing compared to a week's worth of testing and playing" give it time, give it some thought, and stop thinking like this is your game. have a good day, young sir
Sir Dukey The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 138	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:27:00 - [112] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: While feedback can be helpful, it can also be misleading! For the most part change itself can cause an uproar, but at the same time persistent constructive uproar is usually a good indication. So while some things are very much known issues that are not working as intended, other things are more of a - well lets see how this really pans out before we knee-jerk and fix it. So please keep the feedback coming, be constructive and please know that you are being read. My eyes are not bleeding, (yet) I am here reading you! :) Your not even important, how the hell did you become CCP?


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