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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
220
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Posted - 2013.09.03 21:47:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:i havnt played 1.4 yet but all this complaing makes me think its going to be bad...
any ways i think a gear restriction would have been better for match making...it basicly would have killed the proto pub stomps.. It wouldn't stop advanced pub stomps. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
753
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Posted - 2013.09.03 21:48:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:or whats left of it after this build or update.
What are you guys thoughts on the aim assist? does it make the game worse in your opinion or better?
wouldnt mind letting CCP know where they stand on this update in a possitive note rather then QQ threads filling the front page. I havent played yet because i am updating now as we speak but some feedback should make the devs see where they did good or wrong. also i hope match making was fixed instead of ccp working on issues that didnt need fixing and leaving the main issues broken as usual. js Aim assist is too strong everything except aim friction needs toned down It isn't EVE where you point and click... Restricting matches to squad or no squad only matches would have been nice. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1386
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Posted - 2013.09.03 21:49:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:howard sanchez wrote:See, all the hardcore fps ragin A-teamers are out in force complaint about two things: matchmaking and aim assist
What you don't seem to grok yet is that the two issues are inherently tied together and it's not aiming that was buffed or matchmaking broken; YOU have been nerfed
Now that I can effectively fire an AR in Dust I will be able to stand up against amped up fps super squads ( just look at the corps posting the loudest whines). This makes unbalanced matches less of an issue. This makes it less likely that I will afk vs RnD, Gunfall, TP squads.
You ***** when I use mass drivers, you ***** when CCP teaches me to aim....nothing but a cardboard Howard Sanchez effigee will please you?!
Screw that, you hardcore ADS genetically altered fps freak gangs....I got my OP aim assist and I am coming for you what a load of bull. you suck and acknowledge it and defend an aimbot because otherwise you just suck too much? Lol Lurch You've been around Dust for quite a while I have played against you and your ilk for over a year bud. Are you here to judge me and my worth to this game? Are you going to decide now that if I don't shoot up to you standard that I shouldn't be allowed to play or even have a chance to enjoy myself playing? That attitude is how elitists find themselves isolated from the greater population. Careful where you tread, sir....not every path is safe to walk
careful where i tread? reread your post and tell me with a straight face that my response wasnt warranted. its the problem with people who arent as good as others that they feel entitled to have thing handed on a silver platter. either get better and enjoy the fruits of your hard work or accept the fact that you are not as good as others. I dont put effort into getting good with my aim so someone else can have a computer aiming for him. in other games it is called hacking/cheating. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
754
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Posted - 2013.09.03 21:50:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:CLONE117 wrote:i havnt played 1.4 yet but all this complaing makes me think its going to be bad...
any ways i think a gear restriction would have been better for match making...it basicly would have killed the proto pub stomps.. It wouldn't stop advanced pub stomps. There's a big difference between proto and advanced... Anyways I could pubstomp in militia, it's how bad pubs are... PC is the real proving ground, sadly I've only the opportunity to be a ringer... |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
3
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Posted - 2013.09.03 21:51:00 -
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I just played two matches to see how things are. I think i need a little more time to make a call on the aim assist, I did not notice a huge difference with two matches (second match was on a new level and wow was I distracted by the potential for fun gameplay in that layout) Spent some time scoped in with a rifle, and the rest of the time knifing, results were about the same as pre update, though once i died to a shotgun that did not seem to actually fire (lag on hit detection?) I think I'll have a more informed opinion of by the end of the week though. New matchmaker has potential i think, but I need to get used to it. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
836
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Posted - 2013.09.03 21:54:00 -
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meh seems like it's back to ar's being better sniper rifles then sniper rifles.
they hit dead on from 200 meters.
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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
23
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:10:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:howard sanchez wrote:See, all the hardcore fps ragin A-teamers are out in force complaint about two things: matchmaking and aim assist
What you don't seem to grok yet is that the two issues are inherently tied together and it's not aiming that was buffed or matchmaking broken; YOU have been nerfed
Now that I can effectively fire an AR in Dust I will be able to stand up against amped up fps super squads ( just look at the corps posting the loudest whines). This makes unbalanced matches less of an issue. This makes it less likely that I will afk vs RnD, Gunfall, TP squads.
You ***** when I use mass drivers, you ***** when CCP teaches me to aim....nothing but a cardboard Howard Sanchez effigee will please you?!
Screw that, you hardcore ADS genetically altered fps freak gangs....I got my OP aim assist and I am coming for you what a load of bull. you suck and acknowledge it and defend an aimbot because otherwise you just suck too much? Lol Lurch You've been around Dust for quite a while I have played against you and your ilk for over a year bud. Are you here to judge me and my worth to this game? Are you going to decide now that if I don't shoot up to you standard that I shouldn't be allowed to play or even have a chance to enjoy myself playing? That attitude is how elitists find themselves isolated from the greater population. Careful where you tread, sir....not every path is safe to walk careful where i tread? reread your post and tell me with a straight face that my response wasnt warranted. its the problem with people who arent as good as others that they feel entitled to have thing handed on a silver platter. either get better and enjoy the fruits of your hard work or accept the fact that you are not as good as others. I dont put effort into getting good with my aim so someone else can have a computer aiming for him. in other games it is called hacking/cheating.
Your dead on Lurch, aim assists needs dulled down a little. It can't be left the way it is simply because some people can't aim for ****. I love using the laser rifle now but I would rather have to get better at using it than dealing with the way aim assist is currently. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
774
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:16:00 -
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I literally just made a feedback thread in the feedback section about my experience with it, different weapons, situations, and what the good points of it are.
Go check it out. |
ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
192
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:21:00 -
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ok just got done playing and here are the issues..
1.match making only letting you play half games 2. match making putting you in dom only. 3. fw doesnt work. 4. aim assist isnt bad at all unless using scrambler or lazer 5. lag is worse. 6. match making putting un even squad amouts in like 16 v 4 7. match making not letting your entire squad play.
ccp i do have a question and ive been asking this question for a while now and only seem to get warned or banned for it when there is absolutly nothing wrong with the question. im going to ask it yet again in hopes for a decent answer and not a warning or ban. Why must you fix something that isnt broken? what was the point of changing
1.how we que up for battle? that was fine before your screw up 2.Faction warfare que's 3.Aim assist as if ppl really needed this
Your so focused on building such a good game that you took out the basics of what made it a good game. you should really consider 10 steps back and restart from chromosome. because now this game is just boring. there is no pride in me earning 18mill sp there is no pride in my suit being more powerful then the other player because your hand feeding them skill. aim assist is for amature games like cod and such. now as i said aim assist isnt that big of a problem in my eyes but still you did something with a non factor and left the factors that you and everyone else in the community knew about and continued to ignore the real problems of this game. Why even bother updating the game when its more like a downfall? this thread is for feedback and as a player that has been here since the video was posted on youtube in 2008/09 im very unsatisfied with the game state. ive followed dust through every phase and this one is by far the most screwed one. not because of the aim assist or any of the reasons i posted although they are key but because you made this game no fun to play. i sign on psn to have fun and enjoy my time on the game but now i play to get to the end of the match and cap my sp. i dont look foward to playing the entire game majority of the time because halfway down the line ppl are redlined and it just gets to the point where i have to use a blueprint lav and jump hills to see how high my lav can jump because its boring. there is your feedback. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4684
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:22:00 -
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Give it a couple of weeks. People were so used to not having it that it's a bit overwhelming to have it back. |
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Jenza's Pants
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:23:00 -
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LOL dont need aimbot to be good with laser. Laser rifle is the same as it was before, the new sight just makes it easier to us. However, the very heavy aim assist is EZ mode. |
ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
192
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:26:00 -
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Jenza's Pants wrote:LOL dont need aimbot to be good with laser. Laser rifle is the same as it was before, the new sight just makes it easier to us. However, the very heavy aim assist is EZ mode.
the point i just made is the issue. they fix whats not broken, ignore what is broken & its players, and add new broken crap to compensate for the old and new crap thats going to stay broken...
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ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
195
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:37:00 -
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here is the issue now. we will have to probably wait till next update in about 6 months for them to fix this and yet again we will have to deal with this until the next screw up in 1.5 is this fair?
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Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
380
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:39:00 -
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so as regards teh Laser as a metric for Aim Assist:
CCP said that KB/M is not affected by the Aim Assist system, so for those with KB/M and DS3.... alternate between the two (preferably during the same match to remove match by match latency issues). This should provide 'better' anecdotal data, as the main differential factor 'user bias' is somewhat removed. Obviously if you enter into such an experiment you should shelve your opinions whilst conducting the test.
Objectively, subjectively, quantitatively.
How does the difference in DS3 and KB/M feel for EACH MATCH...
afaik, SG, FG, Sniper, MD, PlasC should not be affected by the Aim Assist system. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
45
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:40:00 -
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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:howard sanchez wrote:See, all the hardcore fps ragin A-teamers are out in force complaint about two things: matchmaking and aim assist
What you don't seem to grok yet is that the two issues are inherently tied together and it's not aiming that was buffed or matchmaking broken; YOU have been nerfed
Now that I can effectively fire an AR in Dust I will be able to stand up against amped up fps super squads ( just look at the corps posting the loudest whines). This makes unbalanced matches less of an issue. This makes it less likely that I will afk vs RnD, Gunfall, TP squads.
You ***** when I use mass drivers, you ***** when CCP teaches me to aim....nothing but a cardboard Howard Sanchez effigee will please you?!
Screw that, you hardcore ADS genetically altered fps freak gangs....I got my OP aim assist and I am coming for you what a load of bull. you suck and acknowledge it and defend an aimbot because otherwise you just suck too much? Lol Lurch You've been around Dust for quite a while I have played against you and your ilk for over a year bud. Are you here to judge me and my worth to this game? Are you going to decide now that if I don't shoot up to you standard that I shouldn't be allowed to play or even have a chance to enjoy myself playing? That attitude is how elitists find themselves isolated from the greater population. Careful where you tread, sir....not every path is safe to walk careful where i tread? reread your post and tell me with a straight face that my response wasnt warranted. its the problem with people who arent as good as others that they feel entitled to have thing handed on a silver platter. either get better and enjoy the fruits of your hard work or accept the fact that you are not as good as others. I dont put effort into getting good with my aim so someone else can have a computer aiming for him. in other games it is called hacking/cheating. Your dead on Lurch, aim assists needs dulled down a little. It can't be left the way it is simply because some people can't aim for ****. I love using the laser rifle now but I would rather have to get better at using it than dealing with the way aim assist is currently.
Spot on...I'm not an elite shooter by any means and I am ok with simply working to get better. Frankly, I think if the hit detection were 100% locked down that would help a lot of folks. Some minor aim assist when hip shooting is ok but I still want to be able to aim for myself and pick out targets. |
MAD MAX 514
The dyst0pian Corporation Lokun Listamenn
6
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:51:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:While feedback can be helpful, it can also be misleading! For the most part change itself can cause an uproar, but at the same time persistent constructive uproar is usually a good indication. So while some things are very much known issues that are not working as intended, other things are more of a - well lets see how this really pans out before we knee-jerk and fix it. So please keep the feedback coming, be constructive and please know that you are being read. My eyes are not bleeding, (yet) I am here reading you! :)
while its great to see that you are aware of the issues, what steps are being taken to fix these problems? are hot fixes really the answer? CCP you've created an amazing work of technology flawed as it may be its still a work in progress! kudos on the aiming assist, but is it triggered for too long? also how do you plan to fix the match making process? the last few battles ive played in were one sided battles, meaning that my team or theirs was greatly overpowered! and how can we fix the wait times? I waited over ten mins for a faction contract before finally giving up and Im still being place in battles that are half over already! |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1108
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:54:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:here is the issue now. we will have to probably wait till next update in about 6 months for them to fix this and yet again we will have to deal with this until the next screw up in 1.5 is this fair?
Monthly patches for now and some things they can change on the server very quickly. Uprising 1.5 is either frozen or close to it so any issues they discover this week that they can't hotfix will be maybe two months out.
There is enough exaggerating going on today. We don't need to make it worse.
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
699
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:54:00 -
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aim assist is fine... matchmaking is whats broken...turn it off! |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
459
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:56:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:The new aim assists are supremely broken, as in too good. They really need to simply rollback the aiming to before uprising.
This. I liked chromosome aiming WAAAY better, and so do many that I know. aiming issues didn't even come up until after Uprising came out. |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
423
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:00:00 -
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All the people claiming "aim assist is fine" are those who are fine with not knowing how to aim properly and instead just want the game to just do it for them. This game is turning into an advanced character creator with a rock-paper-scissors dynamic. All the elements of a competitive FPS are getting thrown out the window. |
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1108
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:01:00 -
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There was an article some months back that talked about how CoD and its kind had aim assist so that it's players thought they were elite. Now DUST gets aim assist and everyone is complaining now that you can see the difference. Anybody still have the link to that article?
After a few matches I haven't really noticed it with the AR. Maybe a few more solid hits at range but I certainly miss as well. I'll try and pay more attention. |
Taeryn Frost
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:01:00 -
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I kind of knew I had crappy aim before, but I managed to do alright playing cautiously.
Today on the other hand, my aim doesn't seem much improved with aim assist on. Others however are chewing my shields/armor like never before. |
Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
189
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:18:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:The Laser is back to its chromosome days....IT IS GLORIOUS! finally we got redot sights back on our lasers the amarian assault is about to be real yummy |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
558
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:27:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:howard sanchez wrote:See, all the hardcore fps ragin A-teamers are out in force complaint about two things: matchmaking and aim assist
What you don't seem to grok yet is that the two issues are inherently tied together and it's not aiming that was buffed or matchmaking broken; YOU have been nerfed
Now that I can effectively fire an AR in Dust I will be able to stand up against amped up fps super squads ( just look at the corps posting the loudest whines). This makes unbalanced matches less of an issue. This makes it less likely that I will afk vs RnD, Gunfall, TP squads.
You ***** when I use mass drivers, you ***** when CCP teaches me to aim....nothing but a cardboard Howard Sanchez effigee will please you?!
Screw that, you hardcore ADS genetically altered fps freak gangs....I got my OP aim assist and I am coming for you what a load of bull. you suck and acknowledge it and defend an aimbot because otherwise you just suck too much? Lol Lurch You've been around Dust for quite a while I have played against you and your ilk for over a year bud. Are you here to judge me and my worth to this game? Are you going to decide now that if I don't shoot up to you standard that I shouldn't be allowed to play or even have a chance to enjoy myself playing? That attitude is how elitists find themselves isolated from the greater population. Careful where you tread, sir....not every path is safe to walk
Simmer down scrub, this aint no EVEtard PVE no need for tracking computers and game sim to do all the work for u, if its too tough for u to handle go join Machen Tosch and the rest of the lolcarebear reject brigade of EVE and go work the market, it may be more your pace. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1397
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:31:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:howard sanchez wrote:See, all the hardcore fps ragin A-teamers are out in force complaint about two things: matchmaking and aim assist
What you don't seem to grok yet is that the two issues are inherently tied together and it's not aiming that was buffed or matchmaking broken; YOU have been nerfed
Now that I can effectively fire an AR in Dust I will be able to stand up against amped up fps super squads ( just look at the corps posting the loudest whines). This makes unbalanced matches less of an issue. This makes it less likely that I will afk vs RnD, Gunfall, TP squads.
You ***** when I use mass drivers, you ***** when CCP teaches me to aim....nothing but a cardboard Howard Sanchez effigee will please you?!
Screw that, you hardcore ADS genetically altered fps freak gangs....I got my OP aim assist and I am coming for you what a load of bull. you suck and acknowledge it and defend an aimbot because otherwise you just suck too much? Lol Lurch You've been around Dust for quite a while I have played against you and your ilk for over a year bud. Are you here to judge me and my worth to this game? Are you going to decide now that if I don't shoot up to you standard that I shouldn't be allowed to play or even have a chance to enjoy myself playing? That attitude is how elitists find themselves isolated from the greater population. Careful where you tread, sir....not every path is safe to walk Simmer down scrub, this aint no EVEtard PVE no need for tracking computers and game sim to do all the work for u, if its too tough for u to handle go join Machen Tosch and the rest of the lolcarebear reject brigade of EVE and go work the market, it may be more your pace.
while it was good for a laugh, come on dude...
fight this stuff with logic, not more.....whatever that was lol.
And howard sanchez, i hope you realize any angry tones in my posts are not directed at you, but at players in general who share that opinion. Bad players should not be elevated simply because they are bad, or you get COD, where they build the game with the purpose of making everyone feel they are good, no matter how ****** they are. It is a legit mechanic, and it makes money, but i play this game because i want to enjoy the fruits of my labor.
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4195
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:37:00 -
[56] - Quote
howard sanchez wrote:See, all the hardcore fps ragin A-teamers are out in force complaint about two things: matchmaking and aim assist
What you don't seem to grok yet is that the two issues are inherently tied together and it's not aiming that was buffed or matchmaking broken; YOU have been nerfed
Now that I can effectively fire an AR in Dust I will be able to stand up against amped up fps super squads ( just look at the corps posting the loudest whines). This makes unbalanced matches less of an issue. This makes it less likely that I will afk vs RnD, Gunfall, TP squads.
You ***** when I use mass drivers, you ***** when CCP teaches me to aim....nothing but a cardboard Howard Sanchez effigee will please you?!
Screw that, you hardcore ADS genetically altered fps freak gangs....I got my OP aim assist and I am coming for you
lol
never seen someone praise aim assist as a good thing
lol @ CCP teachin u how to aim. are u being srs? gotta b trollin...... |
Nguruthos IX
Vagina Bombers
1362
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:41:00 -
[57] - Quote
CCP Mintchip wrote:While feedback can be helpful, it can also be misleading! For the most part change itself can cause an uproar, but at the same time persistent constructive uproar is usually a good indication. So while some things are very much known issues that are not working as intended, other things are more of a - well lets see how this really pans out before we knee-jerk and fix it. So please keep the feedback coming, be constructive and please know that you are being read. My eyes are not bleeding, (yet) I am here reading you! :)
Go read what dropship pilots have to say about the new camera.. |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
275
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:50:00 -
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Taeryn Frost wrote:I kind of knew I had crappy aim before, but I managed to do alright playing cautiously.
Today on the other hand, my aim doesn't seem much improved with aim assist on. Others however are chewing my shields/armor like never before. I think I was in a match with you today. Just the two of us on one side and 8-10 on the other. It was a little painful. To the issues I've noticed:
Matchmaking seems... Off. See above. However, 1st day of patch, on a weekday, lot's of kids back in school (US). I'll hold judgement for a week or two before I start complaining here.
Aim assist, didn't notice a difference with the HMG, Shotgun, Nova Knives. Perhaps a slight stickiness on target with the AR but I tend to try and adjust manually so I may have been working against the aim assist. Going to turn it back off next time I play.
Hit detection seems to have gotten worse for the shotgun. I snuck up on a sniper in Line Harvest, put the barrel POINT BLANK to the back of the head and had to pull the trigger 3 times to kill a scout suit. He stayed motionless for the first two shots... The HD for the HMG and AR seems about the same. HD for the knives seems better.
Battle select is wierd... Maybe I just need to get used to it. I unchecked Ambush and got thrown in an ambush. Perhaps an issue with some sort of matchmaking timeout or something.
Lasers seemed far more lethal for the first time since Chrome. Aim assist or a stealth buff? Died alot more to scrambler rifles than usual. Not sure if aim assist is the culprit or matchmaking. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1404
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:52:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:Taeryn Frost wrote:I kind of knew I had crappy aim before, but I managed to do alright playing cautiously.
Today on the other hand, my aim doesn't seem much improved with aim assist on. Others however are chewing my shields/armor like never before. I think I was in a match with you today. Just the two of us on one side and 8-10 on the other. It was a little painful. To the issues I've noticed: Matchmaking seems... Off. See above. However, 1st day of patch, on a weekday, lot's of kids back in school (US). I'll hold judgement for a week or two before I start complaining here. Aim assist, didn't notice a difference with the HMG, Shotgun, Nova Knives. Perhaps a slight stickiness on target with the AR but I tend to try and adjust manually so I may have been working against the aim assist. Going to turn it back off next time I play. Hit detection seems to have gotten worse for the shotgun. I snuck up on a sniper in Line Harvest, put the barrel POINT BLANK to the back of the head and had to pull the trigger 3 times to kill a scout suit. He stayed motionless for the first two shots... The HD for the HMG and AR seems about the same. HD for the knives seems better. Battle select is wierd... Maybe I just need to get used to it. I unchecked Ambush and got thrown in an ambush. Perhaps an issue with some sort of matchmaking timeout or something. Lasers seemed far more lethal for the first time since Chrome. Aim assist or a stealth buff? Died alot more to scrambler rifles than usual. Not sure if aim assist is the culprit or matchmaking.
shotgun shoots poop and not every weapon has aim assist, e.g. mass driver |
STABBEY
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
377
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:54:00 -
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I've always used a controller, aim assist isnt needed. Just takes practice and skill.
The Vets have played without it so long we got crazy good without it, SKILL somthing that no longer exists at the moment. I personally dont like it being this easy to aim.
I like NO aim assist fights, those I had to use skill to out shoot and out manuever 3 enemys coming at me to kill them, now...
The game aims for them and your just dead...
I vote Delete the aim assist for good. |
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