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Eldest Dragon
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:55:00 -
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Imo aim assist is terrible, I thought this was a tracking shooter, theres not much tracking anymore its closer to blk ops now. It also penalizes those who are good and have skill in aiming and tracking bc now the noobs and everyone else with less playtime and practice have an easy kill button.
I personally hate it and believe that one of the things that made this game 1 of a kind is now ruined. *sigh* |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
307
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:56:00 -
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I don't see the issue with aim assist. Everybody is in one of two scenarios:
1.) You're using a KB/M. Even with aim assist, KB/M is superior so you shouldn't have a problem killing someone who is using a DS3.
2.) You're using a DS3. You and you're opponent have the added benefit of aim assist, in which case you're on a level playing field. So if you're better than them you should still win.
Aim assist is not as effective as everyone is making it seem. Let's not forget that KB/M also got a major buff today (and is still better than the DS3 even with aim assist). |
STABBEY
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
377
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:58:00 -
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Eldest Dragon wrote:Imo aim assist is terrible, I thought this was a tracking shooter, theres not much tracking anymore its closer to blk ops now. It also penalizes those who are good and have skill in aiming and tracking bc now the noobs and everyone else with less playtime and practice have an easy kill button. I personally hate it and believe that one of the things that made this game 1 of a kind is now ruined. *sigh*
I think we agree. DOWN WITH AIM ASSIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STABBEY wrote:I've always used a controller, aim assist isnt needed. Just takes practice and skill. The Vets have played without it so long we got crazy good without it, SKILL somthing that no longer exists at the moment. I personally dont like it being this easy to aim. I like NO aim assist fights, those I had to use skill to out shoot and out manuever 3 enemys coming at me to kill them, now... The game aims for them and your just dead... I vote Delete the aim assist for good.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
521
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:04:00 -
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Imo, aim assist is needed to counter kb/m. It's the only way to have a decent chance of winning against people with kb/m at your same level. There are three choices: 1. remove kb/m support 2. raise ds3 sensitivity dramatically 3. Leave aim assist as it is. It's not an aimbot ffs,you actually have to aim good in order to make aim assist work. What you guys complain is lag compensation (and yes, that's absolutely a good thing) |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3934
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:06:00 -
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My one-on-one CQC encounters seem to show a completely overpowered aim assist. |
smoking the kind
RestlessSpirits D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:33:00 -
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Alright ANON, I have feed back for you, with 1.4 some one messed up bad. The only good things are the active scanner and the lack of clutter on the HUD Every thing else is broken: The aim assist is a bit strong with certain weapons and almost nonexistent with others Being able to choose one game mode and then being forced to play all of them is insulting Full squads unable to deploy with no fix up to a week, even more insulting More lag New holes in the maps New seams showing Freeze ups are back Broken match making Broken map(s) Now I am trying not to be upset but 1.4 is an EPIC FAIL, this feels like too many cooks spoiling the soup, aka too much patching of code from too many people in to many departments all in one update.
I want this game to be to a point where I can tell my friends that are hard core gamers that they can come play a game that is fun and not broken, 1.4 will not help word of mouth and with 1.5 changing vehicles so drastically, I still wont be telling any one of my friends about my shameful dust habit this year. On the 17th this game will lose players with money, on October 29th and November 5th you are losing dedicated FPS players with money and on November 15th we lose the people getting ps4's. This is a bad time to be dropping the ball and even a worse time to be letting down your loyal fan base
don't get me wrong I have mad respect for the devs on here and the people behind the scenes trying to make this game the best it can be |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
203
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:44:00 -
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smoking the kind wrote:Alright ANON, I have feed back for you, with 1.4 some one messed up bad. The only good things are the active scanner and the lack of clutter on the HUD Every thing else is broken: The aim assist is a bit strong with certain weapons and almost nonexistent with others Being able to choose one game mode and then being forced to play all of them is insulting Full squads unable to deploy with no fix up to a week, even more insulting More lag New holes in the maps New seams showing Freeze ups are back Broken match making Broken map(s) Now I am trying not to be upset but 1.4 is an EPIC FAIL, this feels like too many cooks spoiling the soup, aka too much patching of code from too many people in to many departments all in one update.
I want this game to be to a point where I can tell my friends that are hard core gamers that they can come play a game that is fun and not broken, 1.4 will not help word of mouth and with 1.5 changing vehicles so drastically, I still wont be telling any one of my friends about my shameful dust habit this year. On the 17th this game will lose players with money, on October 29th and November 5th you are losing dedicated FPS players with money and on November 15th we lose the people getting ps4's. This is a bad time to be dropping the ball and even a worse time to be letting down your loyal fan base
don't get me wrong I have mad respect for the devs on here and the people behind the scenes trying to make this game the best it can be
One thing I haven't seen yet in reading the forums. There was supposed to a rendering fix for vehicles at "certain" angles. Any word if I can see turrets and forge gunners and swarm launchers yet? |
STABBEY
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
389
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:07:00 -
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The fixes that are going to happen today are as follows:
CCP Logibro wrote:Good news everyone! A fix has been staged for deployment today that should fix issues with partly filled battles, abnormally long queues, not matching into selected game types and improve network latency. Fixes have also been staged for faction warfare battles putting you on the wrong side and connection errors. As always, we're still working on improving matchmaking, and we ask you to continue to give feedback once the fix is deployed.
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J3f3r20n Gh057
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
68
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:11:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:remove aimbot, any serious game doesnt have it. If people suck with gamepads then they suck with game pads and shouldnt be given a helping hand.
The game is garbage with it.
^ CCP promove this merc to Dev. He have the reason on his side. |
demens grimwulff
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
3
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:19:00 -
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100% honest opinion after 5 hours of using it...
It is good, but not broken... Yes it is OP in the right hands (I.e. someone with already great aim) because I can never leave target. The BS about ARs doing more damage is solely because we are landing more hits. If your accuracy sucked without it your accuracy will slightly improve with it, but if you were good before, you could be great now. The aim assist snaps to target but won't move with the person (that is a lie... I tried that this morning), and is based on how close your aim already was... If you were almost dead on, you will be dead on after ADS, if you were a couple of feet off, you will be a couple of inches off after ADS. I tried it out for about 5 hours with Aeon Amadi and with both agreed in our hands it was OP.... But we see where it is useful. |
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CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
233
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:21:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:or whats left of it after this build or update.
What are you guys thoughts on the aim assist? does it make the game worse in your opinion or better?
wouldnt mind letting CCP know where they stand on this update in a possitive note rather then QQ threads filling the front page. I havent played yet because i am updating now as we speak but some feedback should make the devs see where they did good or wrong. also i hope match making was fixed instead of ccp working on issues that didnt need fixing and leaving the main issues broken as usual. js
Yo brother!
The aim assist is stupidly overpowered. Everything is able to shred my scout at any range. Not only that, scrubs that should not even be hitting me are stripping my damn hitpoints fast!
As for dodging... forget that.
Oh by the way, as a KB/M user, I found I had much better luck just switching to a heavy with a ton of ehp and an assault rifle. |
Rupture Reaperson
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
270
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:55:00 -
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-Takes a break from ladder matches -Talks with Numbz -Clicks the link. -Read page 1. *Table flip*
Guess im gonna go for grandmaster tonight. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
673
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:08:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:See, all the hardcore fps ragin A-teamers are out in force complaint about two things: matchmaking and aim assist
What you don't seem to grok yet is that the two issues are inherently tied together and it's not aiming that was buffed or matchmaking broken; YOU have been nerfed
Now that I can effectively fire an AR in Dust I will be able to stand up against amped up fps super squads ( just look at the corps posting the loudest whines). This makes unbalanced matches less of an issue. This makes it less likely that I will afk vs RnD, Gunfall, TP squads.
You ***** when I use mass drivers, you ***** when CCP teaches me to aim....nothing but a cardboard Howard Sanchez effigee will please you?!
Screw that, you hardcore ADS genetically altered fps freak gangs....I got my OP aim assist and I am coming for you
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3420
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:11:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:While feedback can be helpful, it can also be misleading! For the most part change itself can cause an uproar, but at the same time persistent constructive uproar is usually a good indication. So while some things are very much known issues that are not working as intended, other things are more of a - well lets see how this really pans out before we knee-jerk and fix it. So please keep the feedback coming, be constructive and please know that you are being read. My eyes are not bleeding, (yet) I am here reading you! :) I don't envy you your job over the next few days. The ragevomiters are out in full force now, and we're gonna have a flamewar on our hands for a bit. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
131
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:17:00 -
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J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:remove aimbot, any serious game doesnt have it. If people suck with gamepads then they suck with game pads and shouldnt be given a helping hand.
The game is garbage with it. ^ CCP promove this merc to Dev. He have the reason on his side.
While i'd love to be a Dev, I dont want to move. I'll settle for CPM member though. |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
914
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:29:00 -
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I kind of like the new build. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1503
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:30:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:I kind of like the new build.
maps and time stamps are nice.
ooo dont forget the daily login bonus |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
243
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:50:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Shotgun seems to suffer from major hit detection lag or shots doing erratic damage from 10% to ohk. Firing 4 shots point blank into someones head and no damage is a little depressing. Hmg is lovely so no qq on that.
maybe when the data is displayed when on target(their name plate HP bars) and pull the trigger ,hit detection success only occurs,maybe expand the shotguns aiming ridicule center dot that resisters damage/suit data display to better detect things when it passes over something,instead of the pindot in the center of the ridicule that it is. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
53
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:54:00 -
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Basically screw DUST for a week or two... with multiple other amazing titles to choose from out right now, and another one on the 17th.. of this month... whats the point of sticking around everyday playing through a broken game? we have to deal with ccp fixing and breaking stuff we never asked for each patch im just tired of it.
this is NOT EVE we aren't paying a subscription to tie us to this game. We will just look for other options and this is what i feel your forcing me to do CCP and its shameful. If the day of your big 1.4 patch that has had so much buzz players cant even play the game in proper matches...
Speechless.... there is an entire movie on facebook kid having outs with partner because networks going down for even a fraction of time.
CCP has just been disappointment after disappointment ever since everyone went WTF why would you launch dust 514 with PS4 a couple months away?
Every patch and content release is just another example that they have no idea half their shot doesn't work. Somewhere and sometime someone who oversee's everyone has to take accountability for the lack of oversight. |
calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
459
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:20:00 -
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Its not about turning off or on the aim assist. Its the fact it gives players an advantage they should not have. Aim assist is a crutch, all you do is push a button and let the AI do your job. What happened to searching the area while looking down sights and once located begin to put well aimed rounds down range. If you missed, you adjusted, if you hit then you continue until said player is dead. I am against aim assist because it puts all players in the same sandbox that should not be there. I played hard to get were I am and now a militia suit can do as good as my proto suit is a joke. What is the point of working hard and unlocking all the extras if the militia BPO suit is on the same level. If this is the way it is going to be, I am going to run BPO's and call it a day. Its no use to stand out or work hard if everyone is going to be the same cookie cut player. SP is worthless if this is the way Dust is going to be. All I can say is 20+ Million SP all for nothing , when a militia AR can cut you down in less than 5 seconds. |
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
123
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:56:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:I don't see the issue with aim assist. Everybody is in one of two scenarios:
1.) You're using a KB/M. Even with aim assist, KB/M is superior so you shouldn't have a problem killing someone who is using a DS3.
2.) You're using a DS3. You and your opponent have the added benefit of aim assist, in which case you're on a level playing field. So if you're better than them you should still win.
Aim assist is not as effective as everyone is making it seem. Let's not forget that KB/M also got a major buff today (and is still better than the DS3 even with aim assist).
Hmm I have tested both yesterday mouse seem very weird to me and it will take some time to adjust the settings to get the thing usable again.
The DS3 aimassist is very powerfull just point near your opponent and your are done hell I had people aiming over my head (that was clearly visible) but still hitting me.
In general the time to kill (or be killed) dropped drastically although I will have to play a bit more to see how things really play out. |
Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven
62
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:59:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:While feedback can be helpful, it can also be misleading! For the most part change itself can cause an uproar, but at the same time persistent constructive uproar is usually a good indication. So while some things are very much known issues that are not working as intended, other things are more of a - well lets see how this really pans out before we knee-jerk and fix it. So please keep the feedback coming, be constructive and please know that you are being read. My eyes are not bleeding, (yet) I am here reading you! :)
more damage control |
ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
210
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:06:00 -
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ok after playing call of duty black ops i got really depressed. so i got back on dust for 4 hours to try and find the good and the bad out of this build so i will now detail this feedback once more.
1. Match making is just broke. you que for skirm it puts u in ambush you que for dom it puts u in ambush you que for ambush it puts u in dom.
2. Did the suits and hp get a nerf? because 500 plus shields shouldnt drop so fast if so why make a shield based race when the most dependant skill "shields" dont stand a chance and now you have to spec into armor?
3.Squads are broken as well as the que and scotty isnt much help at fixing the issue in FW battles.
4. Aim assist : as it may help the new comers in this game it still brings the quality of gamers to a low point because now they dont have to have skill to kill someone better then them. I pay for eve every month and eve has no remorse on new comers why should this game be any differant? ive worked my a$$ off and put major hours into this game my kdr w/l ratio & especially sp for the new comer to get an easy kill. aim assist in unnoticable with assault rifles but is definetly a problem with lazer rifles.
5. Shields shouldnt be this weak and if so some type of hardner module should be implemented because now there is no fighting chance when it comes to cqc of any sort unless the guy is by himself or you steal a kill off a weak enemy red that someone else lost to. this is not competitive at all.
6.scanners should give a percentage of an assist notalot but something considering the sp put into them
7. teamchat icon forces you to relog into the game because it causes a glitch that doesnt allow you to rejoin a squad or game.
8. FW que system should give the option of queing up with more then just 6 members of a corp an option or something should be good for corp vs corp practice skrims and such. limiting the option to que for a race isnt going to cut it. as teams may still be one sided over the other.
CCP the point im trying to make is your basically ripping off alot of people who earned their 15 plus million sp to lower our requirements for the new comers instead of creating a game mode for militia items only and extending the acadamy wp %
positive note
the maps are nice.
the lav fest is less "so is the player count"
heavies seem balanced
and av is somewhat working proper.
side note please remove scotty and bring back the que system we had before i can deal with aim assist just fix the que system and faction warfare please there are corps who like to play with there members. fix the shields as they are unbalanced now and makes the caldari race look stupid. either that or give a massive shield regulation boost or hardener for suits.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1570
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:09:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:or whats left of it after this build or update.
What are you guys thoughts on the aim assist? does it make the game worse in your opinion or better?
wouldnt mind letting CCP know where they stand on this update in a possitive note rather then QQ threads filling the front page. I havent played yet because i am updating now as we speak but some feedback should make the devs see where they did good or wrong. also i hope match making was fixed instead of ccp working on issues that didnt need fixing and leaving the main issues broken as usual. js I'm cool with it. I thought it might be game breaking but its not at all.
I also think the sockets are absolutely amazing! The scale of them is so incredible and it always blows me away what CCP does to step up its game each update. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1509
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:13:00 -
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After playing a bunch of matches I don't really notice it impacting my performance one way or another. That's not to say I don't notice it, I do, but everyone has it so ultimately how well I do in a match has been pretty on par with before.
Also the only other online shooter I've been as into as Dust 514 is Warhawk for the PS3, and that game had complete automatic sticky aim yet still managed to be extremely skill intensive and competitive.
"Children of Amarr, Beloved of God Do not fear the dark heavens The stars are a sign unto you To bring the Light to dark places And so many wondrous lights we carry Illuminating peoples and worlds Know that our empire is holy Set apart for an immortal destiny Stand true, Children of Amarr Let the rays of our enlightenment Shine ever before the Almighty." Empress Jamyl Sarum I |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
587
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:40:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Imo, aim assist is needed to counter kb/m. It's the only way to have a decent chance of winning against people with kb/m at your same level. There are three choices: 1. remove kb/m support 2. raise ds3 sensitivity dramatically 3. Leave aim assist as it is. It's not an aimbot ffs,you actually have to aim good in order to make aim assist work. What you guys complain is lag compensation (and yes, that's absolutely a good thing) I'm not sure how well the laser rifle and scrambler are working with the new aim assist as I don't use them, but I've used the HMG, AR and SMG today.
On the HMG any aim assist that effects is at most barely noticeable if there at at (not sure if the new aiming system and better sensitivity was helping my aim or if it was the aim assist, more testing needed).
On the SMG, it felt like there was no assist whatsoever.
On the AR I noticed a little pull when my enemy's strafe changed direction while I was hipfiring, but it was very short lived and only seemed to compensate long enough for me to adjust my aim across the deadzone on my ds3. Which is what I thought was the whole point of the aim assist, to help cover up the deadzone to even things out between the ds3 and kb/m.
Now on the other weapons it may be totally different, it may be OP as all hell on every other aim assisted weapon. But on the weapons I tested today, it seems to be working as intended and not OP in the slightest. It sounds to me that people are getting butthurt that there are a few new players to Dust who got lucky or just happen to have better gungame and they can't handle that thought, so they are blaming it on the aim assist as soon as they can to make themselves feel better. Could be wrong, but it wouldn't be the first time it's happened in Dust lol
On a side note, it seems the grenade throw mechanic was tweaked. It seems my grenades have a weird delay where I actually throw them before the animation completes. May be lag compensation, not sure. |
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
24
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Posted - 2013.09.04 09:48:00 -
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Alright, I'm tired of seeing this crap about aim assist not being too strong. QFT!!! Seriously if you can honestly say it doesn't make you shoot like you've won Top Shot then you're only saying this so it won't get changed and you go back to being mowed down by people with REAL gun game.
Currently there is little to no skill involved in shooting anyone, whether ADS or hip fire... FACT! Basically one on one battles come down to a few factors, who deals more DPS, who has more HP, and last but certainly the most beneficial... who aims at who first..... FACT! Once you've ADS at someone as long as you don't push joystick off of them it will continue to stay essentially "locked" on... FACT! Speed tanking (mainly scouts), strafing, or generally any other viable use of skill or manoeuvre ability that previously was a great advantage has now been turned into utterly useless methods... FACT!
This is not just my opinion but the opinion of many others who DO NOT want this game turned into easy mode simply because some people can't aim or don't want to even try to get better. I would rather deal with KB/M users having an advantage than everyone having this aim assist do all the work for them. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
1031
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Posted - 2013.09.04 09:52:00 -
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You want my opinion? .... We don't even know yet the impact that all this is going to have... it haven't been not even 24 hours since the Patch deployment, can we have this discussion a week from now ? once we have calm down, and seen how everything is working ? |
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
24
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Posted - 2013.09.04 10:02:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:You want my opinion? .... We don't even know yet the impact that all this is going to have... it haven't been not even 24 hours since the Patch deployment, can we have this discussion a week from now ? once we have calm down, and seen how everything is working ?
A week, a month, a year... I don't need another day to watch how overly strong aim assist is right now. Explain to me how any amount of time will make a difference on this issue?? It's not going to magically tone itself down as everyone "gets used to it." Sorry, but have you watched CEOpyrex's youtube video of 1.4, maybe you should if you haven't, or how about just playing the game and once it locks on while ADS and it WILL follow them as long as you don't move the right joystick. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
1032
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Posted - 2013.09.04 10:09:00 -
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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:You want my opinion? .... We don't even know yet the impact that all this is going to have... it haven't been not even 24 hours since the Patch deployment, can we have this discussion a week from now ? once we have calm down, and seen how everything is working ? A week, a month, a year... I don't need another day to watch how overly strong aim assist is right now. Explain to me how any amount of time will make a difference on this issue?? It's not going to magically tone itself down as everyone "gets used to it." Sorry, but have you watched CEOpyrex's youtube video of 1.4, maybe you should if you haven't, or how about just playing the game and once it locks on while ADS and it WILL follow them as long as you don't move the right joystick.
I didn't even played a full 16 vs 16 match yesterday..., most of the times i played the new maps, that i still trying to learn them. I haven't even got use to the Raw Input that we have in the mouse now... and i don't think anyone have played any PC battles yet ... so.. Waiting a "bit" before jumping into conclusions, may be a good idea. |
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