DUST Search - Avoiding unwanted revivals

Rudy Vandersario wrote:

Ok so just to make things clear I have a lot of time for healers and revivers. Having someone save me an expensive dropsuit is very pleasing and helps to make it feel like a team sport and not every man for himself, which I like.

However there have been many times when I have been revived in the middle of heavy crossfire and have been killed for a second (sometimes third) time before I've even figured out which way is up. I'm a pretty cynical guy by nature and it didn't take long before I suspected that some revivals were done exclusively to get the reviver WP and they didn't give a **** if I died immediately after, so long as they get their WP.

This, to me isn't cool. I don't know if this is a stupid question or not but wouldn't it make sense that you can only be revived if you actively call for help? I can't see any downsides to that solution but I'm prepared to be enlightened if there are.

I'm not criticising genuine revivers (I love you guys) just would like to avoid being revived when I really don't want to be.

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Rudy Vandersario The Nimbor Corporation 13	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:12:00 - [1] - Quote Ok so just to make things clear I have a lot of time for healers and revivers. Having someone save me an expensive dropsuit is very pleasing and helps to make it feel like a team sport and not every man for himself, which I like. However there have been many times when I have been revived in the middle of heavy crossfire and have been killed for a second (sometimes third) time before I've even figured out which way is up. I'm a pretty cynical guy by nature and it didn't take long before I suspected that some revivals were done exclusively to get the reviver WP and they didn't give a **** if I died immediately after, so long as they get their WP. This, to me isn't cool. I don't know if this is a stupid question or not but wouldn't it make sense that you can only be revived if you actively call for help? I can't see any downsides to that solution but I'm prepared to be enlightened if there are. I'm not criticising genuine revivers (I love you guys) just would like to avoid being revived when I really don't want to be.
Nick nugg3t Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:21:00 - [2] - Quote Well I think the best way to help this problem is to give a revived player invincibility for like 2 seconds.. I think that is reasonable
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 209	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:42:00 - [3] - Quote Technically you could say that you shouldn't revive until after the enemy is away from the area. However, this game being what it is there must be shorthand, makebelieve versions of that. Hence, revive should spawn you a bit of a distance from where your body is. I mean come on! If you can spawn ammo out of a nanohive and spawn a drop out of a lilttle link then hell...
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1303	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:46:00 - [4] - Quote Here's my idea. Make all the gear and weapons more expensive so you'll actually want that revival >.<
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1303	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:47:00 - [5] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Technically you could say that you shouldn't revive until after the enemy is away from the area. However, this game being what it is there must be shorthand, makebelieve versions of that. Hence, revive should spawn you a bit of a distance from where your body is. I mean come on! If you can spawn ammo out of a nanohive and spawn a drop out of a lilttle link then hell... I thought I remember CCP saying that soon they're making nanite injectors revive players (temporarily) even stronger than they were. So they will be able to jump right back up and go crazy for a bit.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3495	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:47:00 - [6] - Quote Here's my idea: Go with "only revive if you've called for help" because that makes sense.
Rudy Vandersario The Nimbor Corporation 13	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:50:00 - [7] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Here's my idea: Go with "only revive if you've called for help" because that makes sense. That's what I think too, makes the most sense to me.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1522	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:00:00 - [8] - Quote Rudy Vandersario wrote: Ok so just to make things clear I have a lot of time for healers and revivers. Having someone save me an expensive dropsuit is very pleasing and helps to make it feel like a team sport and not every man for himself, which I like. However there have been many times when I have been revived in the middle of heavy crossfire and have been killed for a second (sometimes third) time before I've even figured out which way is up. I'm a pretty cynical guy by nature and it didn't take long before I suspected that some revivals were done exclusively to get the reviver WP and they didn't give a **** if I died immediately after, so long as they get their WP. This, to me isn't cool. I don't know if this is a stupid question or not but wouldn't it make sense that you can only be revived if you actively call for help? I can't see any downsides to that solution but I'm prepared to be enlightened if there are. I'm not criticising genuine revivers (I love you guys) just would like to avoid being revived when I really don't want to be. I think they need to implement an "accept/decline" option, and you have until your normal bleed out timer ends (or 5 seconds, whichever is longer) to decide to accept or decline the revive. If you accept it, then they the guy who revived you gets full WP; if you decide not to accept it, they still get a token WP for the effort - maybe 20? - and this would solve the problem.
Eldest Dragon 0uter.Heaven 109	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:06:00 - [9] - Quote Rudy Vandersario wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Here's my idea: Go with "only revive if you've called for help" because that makes sense. That's what I think too, makes the most sense to me. Me 3rd...
HandOGod Taints of Tartarus 143	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:09:00 - [10] - Quote I always felt that if you press O after dying to go and pick out your next suit you should not longer be revivable. If you don't hit O it means your just sitting there waiting to get revived.

Viktor Zokas High-Damage 317	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:12:00 - [11] - Quote You're bitching about revivals? Man I guess we're picking up scraps from the bottom of the barrel, eh? You have a chance to save a suit, second chance to kill a guy, so stop bitching about it. You don't lose anything from it.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1522	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:15:00 - [12] - Quote Viktor Zokas wrote: You're bitching about revivals? Man I guess we're picking up scraps from the bottom of the barrel, eh? You have a chance to save a suit, second chance to kill a guy, so stop bitching about it. You don't lose anything from it. Except if they have decided to change tactics, and/or they don't feel like dying again and again - you are actually keeping them out of combat for longer than if you let them bleed out A logi's role is to SAVE the guy - you don't do that by reviving someone one in a gun fight so he can die again. If you don't give them a chance to move, you aren't giving them a chance to kill the guy that killed them, only giving them a chance to do to that person again.
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1304	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:18:00 - [13] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Here's my idea: Go with "only revive if you've called for help" because that makes sense. Okay, I could get on board with this.
Rudy Vandersario The Nimbor Corporation 15	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:24:00 - [14] - Quote Viktor Zokas wrote: You're bitching about revivals? Man I guess we're picking up scraps from the bottom of the barrel, eh? You have a chance to save a suit, second chance to kill a guy, so stop bitching about it. You don't lose anything from it. Who's bitching? It's a discussion.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1175	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:25:00 - [15] - Quote Even if I am in a good spot to be revived and guaranteed to survive, I would rather die and spawn with fresh gear/ammo. I already have the death and have a crap ton of ISK, so why the hell would I ever want a revive? CCP needs to bring back the bleedout option. Or at the very least, don't count the death on my record if I get revived.
LOS HAWK Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 57	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:25:00 - [16] - Quote I think evryone here agrees that getting revived tosimply die is pointless
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2006	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:31:00 - [17] - Quote You would have to make it clear to every blueberry that they won't get picked up without asking then, or there will be quite a few unintentional bleed outs. There's another complication. If you wait to ask until you are sure the firefight is over it may be too let for the medic to head your way. No medic will chase you down until you ask if this gets implemented. It only takes a few seconds to start a respawn, so if you don't want to be picked up don't linger. If you do I'll assume you want a revive.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 763	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:43:00 - [18] - Quote You wanna hear me curse like a sailor?? Revive me when bullets is flying in my direction. That crap makes my blood boil.
JETSTORM1090 Against All Oddz 165	Posted - 2013.09.03 01:18:00 - [19] - Quote How about when you die and get revived it doesn't count as a death, only when you bleed out would it count as a death. Also what you guys were sayin about only get revived if you call for help.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 691	Posted - 2013.09.03 01:25:00 - [20] - Quote I hate beig revived unless I ask... I actually welcome the death most times because im either low on ammo or want to change suits...I also don't like the selfishness of the reviver who knowingly does it when enemies are just gonna kill you again. im for the only revive when ask for help option.

SirManBoy Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 171	Posted - 2013.09.03 02:16:00 - [21] - Quote Viktor Zokas wrote: You're bitching about revivals? Man I guess we're picking up scraps from the bottom of the barrel, eh? You have a chance to save a suit, second chance to kill a guy, so stop bitching about it. You don't lose anything from it. This! If the OPs idea took hold, I would never risk my neck for another revive again. Stop worrying about your KDR and be happy that revives exist at all.
Yokal Bob Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 196	Posted - 2013.09.03 02:20:00 - [22] - Quote I hate the revive spam just for wp, my main fit is logi and i will revive if i know you have a good chance of staying alive afterwards. What annoys me is people standing still for ages after i revive them (asking to be shot) or running off towards the enemy before i can heal them (again asking for death). Its a shame people don't think about clone management
grunt party Carbon 7 CRONOS. 23	Posted - 2013.09.03 02:21:00 - [23] - Quote Nick nugg3t wrote: Well I think the best way to help this problem is to give a revived player invincibility for like 2 seconds.. I think that is reasonable yh so they can get up and burn some one who has no chance grate idea
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 199	Posted - 2013.09.03 02:33:00 - [24] - Quote If I am waiting on a revive I am damn sure ready to jump and move the moment I am up, tends to work out well.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 499	Posted - 2013.09.03 04:20:00 - [25] - Quote If you dont want to be revived, press "Gû¦" and cancel with "O" if you you want to change suits. i almost never get revived into gunfire because I choose immediately whether or not being revived will go in my favor. Died surrounded by 4+ people? Press the spawn button for a quick bleed out. Died to 1 guy that died shortly after you? Let the medic revive you. I swear some people just want everything handed to them.
Rudy Vandersario The Nimbor Corporation 20	Posted - 2013.09.03 08:25:00 - [26] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: Viktor Zokas wrote: You're bitching about revivals? Man I guess we're picking up scraps from the bottom of the barrel, eh? You have a chance to save a suit, second chance to kill a guy, so stop bitching about it. You don't lose anything from it. This! If the OPs idea took hold, I would never risk my neck for another revive again. Stop worrying about your KDR and be happy that revives exist at all. Don't you think it's a bizarre situation where people are regularly being revived when they 100% dont want to be? To be clear I'm not suggesting that you risk your own neck to save someone only to find out they have selected 'no revive', there would be a system in place where medics could see at glance if the clone wanted reviving or not. I don't see the issue there. You say forget about your K/D ratio but in the same way you might feel pride about how much healing or how many clones you saved in a match, I might feel pride in my K/D ratio. There's nothing wrong with that.
Acturus Galaxy The Phalanx Inc 135	Posted - 2013.09.03 09:03:00 - [27] - Quote I only revive when I think the chance of the patient surviving is big. I will not run out to get myself killed, and if the fire is only of moderate level and long range, I will position myself between the patient and the redberries to take the few bullets flying in our direction. I would say my revive success rate is 80%, there is always the camping sniper or stray grenades incoming before I get to rep the armor. Sometimes I am busy running after an assault with his militia injector. I can hardly keep up repping the armors of the people he revives. I could do so much better with my proto injector. Please do not make it anymore difficult getting revives, I have spend CPU and power to equip a proto injector. I rarely get more than 2-3 revives. I will stop running with the injector if it gets more difficult.
Billi Gene Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 377	Posted - 2013.09.03 09:25:00 - [28] - Quote Viktor Zokas wrote: You're bitching about revivals? Man I guess we're picking up scraps from the bottom of the barrel, eh? You have a chance to save a suit, second chance to kill a guy, so stop bitching about it. You don't lose anything from it. you do lose, you lose the ability to change suit. I've made suicide runs to take people out with me, instead of just suiciding in an ambush, usually because I'm in AV gear or want to change to AV gear.... getting an unwanted revive is annoying. But what the OP is talking about, are the WP farming pseudo-logi's. Players that are not interested in your survival or ability to rejoin the fight, rather they only see a WP node with your name on it. They will continue to revive you as long as they can, sometimes even to the exclusion of maintaining their own clone. Its a silly and short sighted method.
Blaze Ashra O.U.T.E.R. S.A.N.C.T.U.M. 7	Posted - 2013.09.03 09:39:00 - [29] - Quote I think the choice should be up to the deceased but you should get full war points for injecting them. They died and you did what you could for them. If they choose not to fine you still did your job. That's like saying lets give the guys we shoot the choice of whether or not we get war points for killing them.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 11	Posted - 2013.09.03 09:40:00 - [30] - Quote Rudy Vandersario wrote: I don't know if this is a stupid question or not but wouldn't it make sense that you can only be revived if you actively call for help? I can't see any downsides to that solution but I'm prepared to be enlightened if there are. There are no downsides to this. Make this happen CCP.



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