Actually the best ''scout'' is the Minmatar logi....
Kin cat
Cardia Reg
Profile Damp

And shield tank. Voila....

Self repair + hacking speed as bonuses.

I see scouts as having three main uses (assuming all classes sufficiently fill their role):

CQC stealth fighter: Slips into occupied areas and stealthily kills enemies while enemy is distracted.
Medium range scouter: Advances ahead of rest of team, scouts out enemy's positions, and advises main force on enemy locations and best entry routes

^ both also serve well for hacking objectives/installations and planting traps when enemy has their back turned

Long range counter-sniper: While not having the straight up damage of an Assault sniper, the supply line of a Logi sniper, or the toughness of a Heavy sniper, the scout sniper serves well in finding other snipers while not being detected themselves.

What's a scount?

I wasn't making a joke or being facetious; I genuinely was curious what Scouts' roles are lol. I can't seem to see a clearly defined role for them. I get the "scouting" mechanic, but it doesn't seem that the game has created the tools for them to be successful, so I was just curious.

Scouts have no real role, it is CCPs forgotten child (kind of like CCPs mutant baby the Commando), despite the fact that it has been here forever.

1.4 won't change much for scouts, losing vision of both your teammates and the enemy will have both positive and negative effects, so that is pretty neutral. Active scanning still does nothing for wps and only is really effective if you have a full squad.

CCP has mentioned that they are going to look to see what they can do in 1.6, but considering that is 2 updates ahead, we know the glitch correction cycle will push that back another month, so I am guessing 1.7.

Again this is not to say that people can't play scouts, its just that you are performing with diminished results.

What scouts should be is the enemy team divider or anti logi, either by giving away the position of the team or by group harassment/disorientation through EWAR.

On the bright sides I do believe we are the best nova knifing class still

Actually I thought they said they would throw it in 1.5 as they had started working on it and tried to get the WPs for active scans in 1.4. They obviously didn't make the deadline though.

If you are in a decent corp then you should always find yourself in a full squad which means that the active scanners will be extremely useful.

Well trained scouts can put a serious panic to any heavy in there path.

I personally work as a counter logi and, if my team is competent, am able to do my job quite well.

I also keep uplinks on hadn. Yes a logi can place more but when you think about it... where do they ALWAY place them? Right on the front lines! This does no good for tactical players that would like to first put some distance between them and the enemy in order to plan out there next move. I prefer to place my uplinks behind enemy lines and at elevated positions. This give aggressive scouts (ninjas and shotgunners) a chance to attack from behind while allowing snipers instant access to a crow's nest (gotta hate spawning in a fire fight with nothing but dam sniper rifle).

My stealth and hacking speed allows me to hack defensive objectives in order to get the enemy's attention away from the major ones (if they ignore it then that's just more damage against there MCC)

Sure Logis CAN mod themselves for scout jobs but do to there desire to deal damage or stay alive, they usually don't.

Scouts are always on the move and planning there next way to disorient the enemy. In a RPG world the scout's job is to debuff and assassinate (heavy damage vs single targets).

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.

I wasn't making a joke or being facetious; I genuinely was curious what Scouts' roles are lol. I can't seem to see a clearly defined role for them. I get the "scouting" mechanic, but it doesn't seem that the game has created the tools for them to be successful, so I was just curious.

The same way Cloaking is a Scout only thing(I believe it's been hinted that it's only for Scouts)

The Scouts WERE good. Now they're a bit sucky. Imo they need specific modules or something. Idk. Scouts are supposed to Scout while Logistics are supposed to do Logistics.

The same way Cloaking is a Scout only thing(I believe it's been hinted that it's only for Scouts), there should be other modules/equipment only for light infantry. Tagging, Tracking, any thing else that helps make them an actual Scout...Actually I think I'm about to head to the suggestion room just because I feel strongly about this.

We're not even Scouts.

Our Scan Range is ten metres, the same as every other class in the game.

And once an enemy gets within that range you're already dead.

You could say "Hurr durr, fit an Active Scanner", but I refuse to, the Scout's advantage should be its huge benefit to Passive Scanning, but it isn't even 'Huge'.

All Scouts need a 30m Scan Range, of course, its different for the Basic Light Frame, because they're not 'Scouts'

In Eve, real men hull tank.
In Dust, real men are scouts.

What does this say to you? -.o

I wasn't making a joke or being facetious; I genuinely was curious what Scouts' roles are lol. I can't seem to see a clearly defined role for them. I get the "scouting" mechanic, but it doesn't seem that the game has created the tools for them to be successful, so I was just curious.

1.5 will get a hot patch which they give more support wp across the board and 1.6 will be the scout patch from what I read.

Also what you have described is what economists call a comparative advantage, the fact that logis may do it better but most of them don't want to waste time and points flanking means that the more desperate scouts are more willing to fill in these roles is where the scout fall into game play.

You and I fill in similar roles, but we aren't counter logis but in fact logi lites. Scout Alpha strikes are lower than medium frames which ironically make sniping much weaker and riskier. The only reason we focus on "high" damage is because we can't continue on a traditional sustained fight. Meaning the only "assassins" roles we can actually function in is KInCat Shotgunning and KInCat NKing. You can definately hold your own with positive k/d ratios operating in these roles

Also disorientation is a one v group tactic aka team divider (what I call Beta Scouts), assassination in the heavy damage single target assassination (which I call Alpha Scouts). Scouts need to be versatile enough to be able to choose one of these two function, currently the tools for Beta scouts are lacking a bit and the risk/reward to Alpha scouts is heavily leaning towards a much higher risk. The reason for flattening scout ratios despite skill investment is because the skills themselves have a comparatively low effect on the fact that cqc scouts go in there is a 50%+ chance of death before getting your 1+ kills since speed tanking has its limits. Meaning there has to be more enter and escape options given to the scout, in fact if scouts got a unique method to break disengagements along with speed that alone would make the scout worthy of forum tears.

they're speed tanks.

I wasn't making a joke or being facetious; I genuinely was curious what Scouts' roles are lol. I can't seem to see a clearly defined role for them. I get the "scouting" mechanic, but it doesn't seem that the game has created the tools for them to be successful, so I was just curious.

to scare heavies to death

Scouts are either a strong team player or a loner... I am both and people say assault suits scan do what a scout can... No not really a my scout suit shreds people a gek and nova knives on a proto gallente scout... It is just awesome, I prefer gallente because of its low slots I use those a lot more than high slots and with the buff to nova knives I rip up anyone and no longer fear heavies, scouts are useful in situations but going behind enemy lines and hacking objectives... Just no

I find them useful for CQC and dropping in on people not a whole lot is more embarrassing than being nova knifed especially when you are wearing proto-advanced gear but it is a hard line of work you either are or you aren't I have been since closed beta and my nova knife usage is still the same. But anyways scouts are tricky you need good communication and team work or you need lots of money and patience because walking all the way around a building spending up to 5 minutes to get one kill... That's your job.

to jump clear over your head from 15m turn mid air and shotgun your face back to your spawn

Always using greens?

The general principle to understand is that there is no even ground or footing when it comes to scouts, it is either you have the clear advantage or you have zero advantage. The skill part is making sure you are not overestimating your chances of success in an engagement and having to be hyper aware of the flow of the match.

the scout is about stealth. Even a basic is like a Med frame with profile dampening at level 5 as standard. and a proto scout can evade even Adv scanners. Sadly its taken this long for the gameplay to help in that role but hopefully today will see a lot more of them on the field. Time to hang up the Logi suit for a while and sharpen my knives. Watch your backs

Well what does scout mean? He is the infiltrator. The quick hacker. The field intel guy

I agree funny enough that the additional hacking bonus goes to the minni logi. Oh god I would murder for this skill on my gallente scout...