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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1326
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Posted - 2013.09.02 00:50:00 -
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I know the topic of respecs is probably the hottest a person can raise these days, but I'm confident this one will be met with general agreement.
All I ask is for a very simple confirmation from CCP:
Will you, or will you not be offering SP refunds upon the release of new content, and only for those skills that are variants of that new content? E.g. Amarr Heavy refunds upon the release of the Caldari Heavy, or Scrambler Rifle refunds upon the release of the Combat Rifle.
It must be a tough decision for you folks to make regarding the high demand for respecs. Aurum respecs, earned respecs, time-delayed respecs, nerf respecs, rebalance respecs etc etc. But this one at least appeals most to your intention for players' choices to have weight.
Let me share an example; let's say somebody wants a Minmatar dropship. Right now they have to decide wether to save their SP, not skill into the Gallente or Caldari offerings, and thereby hinder their current performance, possibly even exclude themselves from the higher levels of competitive play until their desired content is released. Or spend their SP on said offerings. This way they may reap the benefits of getting as close to their desired content as is currently possible. However, when that new content IS released, they will have effectively lost a significant amount of SP on placeholder skills that they never really wanted.
A confirmation from you can help the plight of people like this. They can make an informed decision, rather than guessing at your intentions for the future. Even if it's a "no" and you earn the scrutiny of many, it will still be appreciated that you improved our ability to make legitimate choices for our characters.
Thanks for your time. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
30
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Posted - 2013.09.02 01:01:00 -
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Well said and logical.
I've put a fair amount in scramblers but only because there was no Caldari option that would compliment my dropsuit option. If there were Caldari light weapon equivalent I would like to give that a shot but would hate to have to start the SP grind all over. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3863
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Posted - 2013.09.02 01:10:00 -
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Now this is how a respec thread should be made. Not with a demand for more respecs but with a polite way of asking for any confirmation as to whether or not there will be more respecs.
In regards to the partial reimbursement of certain skills, there is a possibility that CCP might do that like they did with Eve Online. But don't quote me on that. |
Nguruthos IX
Vagina Bombers
1282
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Posted - 2013.09.02 01:11:00 -
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Agreed 100%
This is a HUGE issue we all need to know.
I personally have only ever wanted to fly Amarr vehicles. But I've been forced to make a choice. Spec Galentee, or Not Play Dust at all.
yes those are my choices. Its the role I wanted and I'll not waste SP into other dissimilar areas or roles just so I can play the game at all when I wouldn't be enjoying it.
Since all content was not out at "Release" I had to pick the closest thing to it, or not play at all. And so far that's more than several million SP into a vehicle which sometime from now I may never want, and never wanted to begin with.
This is a the decent thing for a company to do, for it's players who have supported them in spite of what many others are simply not willing to put up with. And I'm trusting they will do the right thing. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
286
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Posted - 2013.09.02 01:12:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:I know the topic of respecs is probably the hottest a person can raise these days, but I'm confident this one will be met with general agreement.
All I ask is for a very simple confirmation from CCP:
Will you, or will you not be offering SP refunds upon the release of new content, and only for those skills that are variants of that new content? E.g. Amarr Heavy refunds upon the release of the Caldari Heavy, or Scrambler Rifle refunds upon the release of the Combat Rifle.
It must be a tough decision for you folks to make regarding the high demand for respecs. Aurum respecs, earned respecs, time-delayed respecs, nerf respecs, rebalance respecs etc etc. But this one at least appeals most to your intention for players' choices to have weight.
Let me share an example; let's say somebody wants a Minmatar dropship. Right now they have to decide wether to save their SP, not skill into the Gallente or Caldari offerings, and thereby hinder their current performance, possibly even exclude themselves from the higher levels of competitive play until their desired content is released. Or spend their SP on said offerings. This way they may reap the benefits of getting as close to their desired content as is currently possible. However, when that new content IS released, they will have effectively lost a significant amount of SP on placeholder skills that they never really wanted.
A confirmation from you can help the plight of people like this. They can make an informed decision, rather than guessing at your intentions for the future. Even if it's a "no" and you earn the scrutiny of many, it will still be appreciated that you improved our ability to make legitimate choices for our characters.
Thanks for your time. I have said this i every respec thread I have seen. +1 to you for making a new thread just for this idea! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3437
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Posted - 2013.09.02 01:24:00 -
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I've tried asking for this instead of the full respec some people want in a few of the earlier respec threads.
Never got much attention in the usual rage that overflows through those poor excuses for conversation.
Hopefully this thread stays on topic and we can actually get a straight answer. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3863
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Posted - 2013.09.02 01:31:00 -
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Those who were around during May will know that CCP has sent out confirmation letters that the respec that occurred in May was the last official FULL respec for the rest of the game's development. However, CCP did not rule out any possibility of a partial refund of some skills. If Eve Online is any indicator, changes to the skill tree such as reduced SP costs per level, removing skill books, splitting generalized skills into racial variants, etc. might become grounds for partial reimbursements.
But when it comes to FULL respecs regardless of any changes (big or small), that seems overboard to me and unnecessary. |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
145
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Posted - 2013.09.02 06:02:00 -
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plus one. I will feel conned if I have to grind for the heavy suit I would have wanted originally. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1032
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Posted - 2013.09.02 06:07:00 -
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woe. a respec thread were ppl arnt freaking out over the idea... yet |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
436
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Posted - 2013.09.02 06:10:00 -
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I've been saying this since 1.0 launched, and idiots skilled into stupid **** just cause they had tons of SP. |
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
31
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Posted - 2013.09.02 06:13:00 -
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NO REPEC FO UUUUUUUU! Y U SO STUPI! U SHOULD HAVE WAITED 5 YEARS FOR THE GAME TO HAVE ALLLL OF THE RACIAL SHIZZ.
Nah JK bro. I want to spec into Combat rifle too. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
387
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Posted - 2013.09.02 06:27:00 -
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use the search engine. already answered a thousand times. no respecs. ever. not for new gear. not for new weapons. not for new suits. not for new vehicles. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7930
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Posted - 2013.09.02 06:46:00 -
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That's for CCP to decide to be honest. They don't like doing respects because of the hassles and train wrecks they cause and they take so many resources to pull off.
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Nguruthos IX
Vagina Bombers
1286
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Posted - 2013.09.02 06:50:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:That's for CCP to decide to be honest. They don't like doing respects because of the hassles and train wrecks they cause and they take so many resources to pull off.
CCP will most likely decide when they do it.
As for myself I don't expect it to be given for every new gun or module that comes out.
The missing suits and vehicles possibly but new base or specialist suites are likely not. Sounds like a system that could use some automation.
Bet it's still easier than releasing all the content at once. But they must have calculated this would be required under their approach. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
991
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Posted - 2013.09.02 06:53:00 -
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Your intentions are good, but what if I wanted to use the Caldari heavy for example, but I didn't like the current Amarr heavy and skilled into something else instead, why should I be punished with no respecs just because I didn't skill into a heavy suit I didn't like?
They treat this game as a beta still and changes everything in every patch, so I fail to see how respecs would be a bad thing to get every patch.
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Jarlaxle Xorlarrin
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
162
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Posted - 2013.09.02 06:56:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:That's for CCP to decide to be honest. They don't like doing respects because of the hassles and train wrecks they cause and they take so many resources to pull off.
CCP will most likely decide when they do it.
As for myself I don't expect it to be given for every new gun or module that comes out.
The missing suits and vehicles possibly but new base or specialist suites are likely not.
^ this
tbh they should just reset the points put into Heavies when the other racial variants come out (in 2032) No guns, no other suits, no mods, no other skills, just the Amarr Heavy.
I say only heavy because **** you Cal Logi (who use them as assaults) and FotM Core Flaylock users. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
436
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Posted - 2013.09.02 06:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The missing suits and vehicles possibly but new base or specialist suites are likely not.
Well, that's what we are asking for in this one. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
436
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Posted - 2013.09.02 07:00:00 -
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Jarlaxle Xorlarrin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:That's for CCP to decide to be honest. They don't like doing respects because of the hassles and train wrecks they cause and they take so many resources to pull off.
CCP will most likely decide when they do it.
As for myself I don't expect it to be given for every new gun or module that comes out.
The missing suits and vehicles possibly but new base or specialist suites are likely not. ^ this tbh they should just reset the points put into Heavies when the other racial variants come out (in 2032) No guns, no other suits, no mods, no other skills, just the Amarr Heavy. I say only heavy because **** you Cal Logi (who use them as assaults) and FotM Core Flaylock users.
You're forgetting the light frames. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
436
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Posted - 2013.09.02 07:01:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Your intentions are good, but what if I wanted to use the Caldari heavy for example, but I didn't like the current Amarr heavy and skilled into something else instead, why should I be punished with no respecs just because I didn't skill into a heavy suit I didn't like?
They treat this game as a beta still and changes everything in every patch, so I fail to see how respecs would be a bad thing to get every patch.
Good point, but your fault. |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
532
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Posted - 2013.09.02 07:18:00 -
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Less controversial thread is getting controversial. |
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demonkiller 12
G.U.T.Z Covert Intervention
153
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Posted - 2013.09.02 07:35:00 -
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Should only get partial respecs in the case of racial variant releases, amarr and minmatar tanks come out, you get back vehicle sp spent on caldari/gallenta, minmatar heavy comes out you get sp spent on amarr heavy. OR in the case that they completely change the way a skill works, ie, the HMG skill remake, anyone invested in that should get SP back |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7933
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Posted - 2013.09.02 08:46:00 -
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And you're right if they do reissue points back because of new gear its going to be partial only.
For example It would not surprise me at all if they refund all vehicle SP in 1.5 |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
397
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Posted - 2013.09.02 12:04:00 -
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I'd like to see a system that looks similar to the attribute remap screen in Eve.
Where, after you've had chance to review the new racial Heavies / Scouts / vehicle chassis / etc. you'd be able to reduce investment in the Amarr Heavy and put those levels into a different Heavy.
This way you'd only be able to change Heavy skills for Heavy skills and Scout skills for Scout skills and HAV skills for HAV skills etc.
If you wanted a slow suit with higher survivability, why would you have skilled a scout or assault just because the Minmatar version of what you wanted wasn't available ? You wouldn't, you'd skill the closest thing to what you wanted which is the Amarr Heavy. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1083
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Posted - 2013.09.02 13:28:00 -
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With a full respec there will be a part of the player base that trains all in to the FOTM, get burned, and then whine just as loudly as before. With a partial respec something will go wrong and people will complain.
The way I look at it is that we are the cutting edge of clone soldier mercenaries and the megacorporations are just now developing products for us. I train into what I need today and as new products are released I'll see what is available and see if I want or need to train into something new. I'm trying to stay true to my Minmatar heritage, but my rifle is Gallente, my sniper rifle and swarm launcher are Caldari and my equipment is mostly Amarr. In EVE almost everyone ends up cross training into everything anyway in order to have options to adjust to the tactical situation.
Yes, it stinks because we don't have all the racial options. But they will come. You don't have to go to proficiency 5 in a weapon today if it's not the one you think you want. You don't have to wear a prototype specialized suit today if it's not the one you really one. Go to advanced basic frames and proficiency 3 in a weapon and let your player skills handle the rest. The core skills will apply to everything. Train those. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
6
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Posted - 2013.09.02 13:39:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Those who were around during May will know that CCP has sent out confirmation letters that the respec that occurred in May was the last official FULL respec for the rest of the game's development. However, CCP did not rule out any possibility of a partial refund of some skills. If Eve Online is any indicator, changes to the skill tree such as reduced SP costs per level, removing skill books, splitting generalized skills into racial variants, etc. might become grounds for partial reimbursements. CCP have confirmed that the reductions to SP cost of the weapon reload skills in 1.4 WILL see an SP refund. However, though the ISK cost of the skillbooks is also decreasing, there will be no ISK refund for those who already bought them. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
257
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Posted - 2013.09.02 13:54:00 -
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I would like a full respec in 1.5, simply so that I can respec into vehicles properly given the changes that are occurring; it's entirely plausible that I'll not be able to spec vehicles properly even if my SP is refunded, simply because I've specced into other things in the mean time, which is something I blame on the uselessness of pouring SP into most vehicle skills, versus the utility of being able to run a profit outside the redline.
EDIT: It wouldn't change my opinions on the game; it'd just be nice. I guess a full respec could be limited to those who've specced more than 50% of their SP or something? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1351
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:53:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:And you're right if they do reissue points back because of new gear its going to be partial only.
For example It would not surprise me at all if they refund all vehicle SP in 1.5
That may be the biggest *hint*cough*hint* I've ever seen. |
Beyobi
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
113
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:08:00 -
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No more respecs. I had to plan and live with my decisions, so should everyone else. Stop crying about your inability to read skill descriptions and weapon attributes. You made your choice, deal with it. I repeat, YOU made YOUR choice, DEAL WITH IT. |
Amy Artic
Binary Mercs
10
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:12:00 -
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I agree with everything in the OP, I've said it all before in other respec threads. People hated. I cried a little.
If they add dropsuits they shuld do a respec for Dropsuit command and upgrades, seeing as certain upgrades favour certain racial varients, and people would have spec'd into them so that they could play their role effeciently. Same goes for vehicles and guns, in regards to their respective skill trees. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1352
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:26:00 -
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Beyobi wrote:No more respecs. I had to plan and live with my decisions, so should everyone else. Stop crying about your inability to read skill descriptions and weapon attributes. You made your choice, deal with it. I repeat, YOU made YOUR choice, DEAL WITH IT.
Did you read my post? Or was your reply brought to us by OMFGNORESPECSEVAR inc.? |
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