It would be cool if the burst did some extra damage but had a short charge up time. Just to add some flavor to it.

I'm waiting for the nerf on the scrambler rifles. If you don't think they need it then why do you think all the top players have switched to it even though they were already proficiencied out on AR?

There needs to be a breach and burst scrambler rifle variant for the scrambler rifle. Here's roughly what they would be like:

Burst SCR:
Fires in a burst instead of single fire or full-auto.
Range between assault and regular SCR.
Higher RoF.
Less damage per shot.
Around the same DPS as assault SCR.

Breach SCR:
Higher hip-fire accuracy than an assault SCR.
Higher damage per shot than assault SCR.
Low fire-rate than an assault SCR.
Higher heat buildup per shot than an assault SCR.
Less range than an assault SCR.
Lower magazine size than an assault SCR.
Lower DPS than an assault SCR.

According to CCP Remnant, each race's rifle will each have a different base variant. The Gallente assault rifle's base variant is the fully automatic "assault", the Caldari rail rifle's base variant will be a breach, the Minmatar combat rifle's base variant will be burst, and the Amarr scrambler rifle's base variant is the single-fire "tactical". On top of the base variants, each race is suppose to have extra variants to mimic the other race's rifles. The assault rifle already have all the variants to mimic all the rifles, but the scrambler rifle only has the assault variant. Its not fair that the AR should get all variants while the SCR doesn't.

I'm waiting for the nerf on the scrambler rifles. If you don't think they need it then why do you think all the top players have switched to it even though they were already proficiencied out on AR?

Really because I have never noticed being killed by a ScR.

If all the best players have it why I am I not being killed by it more consistently, and it its so good why has it taken so long to reach current meta level?

Primarily because its not OP none of the Amarrian weapons currently in the game are. ScR rewards accuracy with high DPS output its as simple as that. its not some pathetic Gallente spray and pray blaster rifle, or a Minnie "don't have to aim" mass driver.

I'm waiting for the nerf on the scrambler rifles. If you don't think they need it then why do you think all the top players have switched to it even though they were already proficiencied out on AR?

I'm waiting for the nerf on the scrambler rifles. If you don't think they need it then why do you think all the top players have switched to it even though they were already proficiencied out on AR?

I'm waiting for the nerf on the scrambler rifles. If you don't think they need it then why do you think all the top players have switched to it even though they were already proficiencied out on AR?

No need for a specific Burst or Breach Scrambler Rifle.

The standard Scrambler Rifle can shoot in bursts. It does high single shot damage. The charge shot gives it modest sniping capability.
The assault scrambler rifle is full auto and you can shoot it in bursts too, but because it's full, it can run heavy CQC combat like a breach weapon.

I'm waiting for the nerf on the scrambler rifles. If you don't think they need it then why do you think all the top players have switched to it even though they were already proficiencied out on AR?

Several things wrong here.
AR is still the general preferred weapon choice, even amongst pros.
1. The Duvolle AR will always be a favorite.
2. Just because you max out your AR, doesn't mean you won't skill into another utility weapon. Versatility is power.
3. The scrambler rifle will never be nerfed. It's the best balanced weapon in this game right now.
4. You'll find top players using it, because they're the only ones with sufficient skill to use it.

3. Questionable the Standard has Insane DPS especially for a rather low dps weapon, I guess they will change the SCR tree once all racial variant are in.

The SCR has a high volley damage, meaning the vanilla SCR can deal high amounts of damage in a short time but it's sustained DPS is somewhat lacking. It can easily deal >1000 damage in one second if all the shots connect, especially the charged one.

After that most people would have overheated their rifle then wound up helpless for 5 seconds, or they'd have to let it cool down for a second or two, or just start charging it for another 2 seconds to try to get another high damage volley out.

Looking at the average DPS over 3 seconds you'll find the STD AR would have hit 1275 damage, while the SCR would only just be ready to let off another volley by then.


Volley VS sustained DPS is another important factor to look at.

(a note about the SCR math - I'm calculating the charge shot at 350 damage a shot as I don't exactly know how much it deals. I put in 10 follow up shots, as with max skills in everything laser related I can get about 15 follow ups before locking up. if anyone can calculate better numbers for this comparison I'll edit it in)

Are those shot counts with or without the Amarr assault bonus? Do you have SCR Ops V?

some type of semi auto scram rifle that needs to be charged to fire but also cant hold said charge would be nice, sort of like how large railguns work. ramp up the damage and range a bit, decrease the heat build up so you can fire more shots than the std scram rifle before overheat and change the charge up time to about 0.2 sces. ta dah awsome new gun

The breach SCR should be a reskinned scrambler pistol with a higher range and better capacity. Na charge shot in exchange for a headshot bonus.

The Burst scrambler rifle could be a kind of shotgun with big spread up close and the charge shot tightens the spread letting it be used in multiple ranges.

I agree.

The only problem is that the burst and the breach AR currently suck lol.

The Tac is ok, except for the terrible hit detection.

Can we give some of the almight AR's power to the other variants?

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Some suggestion:

AR: give it slightly less then AScR recoil (and maybe bullet dispersion by 10%)

Breach AR: Increase Rate of Fire from 400 to 520

Burst AR: Increase damage (ADV tier) to 40 and (PRO tier) 42.5; Increase optimal range by 20%

Tac AR: Balanced, just fix the awful hit detection.

Much better, isn't it?

How about we get a basic version of the assault scrambler at Lvl 2 in the skill, then move onto new variants?

I would be happy with that. Many weapons have variants at standard level, while others are reversed for ADV and PRO. The assault scrambler can be unlocked at standard, while the breach and burst could be unlocked at advanced and prototype level.

Do we really need them?

I'm behind this idea.

I have to disagree with Talos as far as making one a multi-shot spread shotgun-style weapon though. There are fewer laser/Amarr weapons projected to be in the game than any other race if you go by the old damage profile dev-blog. I wouldn't want to shut the door on a potential Laser shotgun, etc.

Burst Rifle variant seems like it should be somewhere between the Standard and Assault Scramblers with respect to range, but I don't have to many other strong feelings on it.

The Breach could have a lower range threshold like the Gallente Rifle, but I thought it might an interesting mechanic to have it force a charge shot (a "charge-only" Scrambler) even if it has a shorter charge than standard. It effectively throttles the RoF, but it could have interesting potential for a shorter-range high-damage laser THWWWAAPP.

They're still planned. They won't be coming in the same release as the rail rifle and combat rifle though.