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ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1378	Posted - 2013.08.31 06:54:00 - [31] - Quote ah haters gonna hate & just make up stuff to make themselves feel better. almost as good the tryhard's tears.
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 99	Posted - 2013.08.31 06:54:00 - [32] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: gbh08 wrote: ladwar wrote: nice you have to insult me and try & slip past the censors, who is the real scrub here? haters gonna hate. Point still stands though, doesnt it? why is a tanker sitting there long enough to get 3+ nades chucked at him..... i lost my 1st tank the other day, out of maybe 70 call downs,,,, i dont understand why everyone has such a issue with tanks, i think your all clumsy and well, stupid tbh i saw the self proclaimed "top" 2 tankers the other day, and they driving across the middle of battlefield with rail turrets lmao. you know, its no supprise they cry themselfs to sleep tank no different from a dropsuit, if your good at fps in general, you should, by default, be good at tank its like some you guys specced into tank for a easy ride, which your not, and shouldnt get The biggest issue is that a good deal of tankers are used to the old Marauders. Think LLAV in Tank form. Not to say they are bad players, but they had a taste of power and they want it back... Yeah, i can relate to that also But it has been 3 months now...... Bad player is bad player from where im sat
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 99	Posted - 2013.08.31 06:55:00 - [33] - Quote ladwar wrote: ah haters gonna hate & just make up stuff to make themselves feel better. almost as good the tryhard's tears. no hate here fella, im just saying how i see it
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1378	Posted - 2013.08.31 06:59:00 - [34] - Quote gbh08 wrote: ladwar wrote: ah haters gonna hate & just make up stuff to make themselves feel better. almost as good the tryhard's tears. no hate here fella, im just saying how i see it edit also, what exactly do you think im making up? " lost my 1st tank the other day, out of maybe 70 call downs" ^
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 100	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:02:00 - [35] - Quote ladwar wrote: gbh08 wrote: ladwar wrote: ah haters gonna hate & just make up stuff to make themselves feel better. almost as good the tryhard's tears. no hate here fella, im just saying how i see it edit also, what exactly do you think im making up? " lost my 1st tank the other day, out of maybe 70 call downs" ^ and thats the truth...... missiles ftw, i ******* duel forge gunners and swarmers Hence my laughter at these idiots running rails in the middle of the map, how they gonna take out the av... i play solo and smart, maybe you should come tank with me for a day
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1378	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:04:00 - [36] - Quote gbh08 wrote: ladwar wrote: gbh08 wrote: ladwar wrote: ah haters gonna hate & just make up stuff to make themselves feel better. almost as good the tryhard's tears. no hate here fella, im just saying how i see it edit also, what exactly do you think im making up? " lost my 1st tank the other day, out of maybe 70 call downs" ^ and thats the truth...... missiles ftw, i ******* duel forge gunners and swarmers Hence my laughter at these idiots running rails in the middle of the map, how they gonna take out the av... i play solo and smart, maybe you should come tank with me for a day right.... im just going to eat some bacon.
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 100	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:07:00 - [37] - Quote ladwar wrote: gbh08 wrote: ladwar wrote: gbh08 wrote: ladwar wrote: ah haters gonna hate & just make up stuff to make themselves feel better. almost as good the tryhard's tears. no hate here fella, im just saying how i see it edit also, what exactly do you think im making up? " lost my 1st tank the other day, out of maybe 70 call downs" ^ and thats the truth...... missiles ftw, i ******* duel forge gunners and swarmers Hence my laughter at these idiots running rails in the middle of the map, how they gonna take out the av... i play solo and smart, maybe you should come tank with me for a day right.... im just going to eat some bacon. LoL whatever just face it, most of you loud tankers, are crap
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 335	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:09:00 - [38] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: -they can be spammed, no lock or charge time -you can't tell if anyone has it your ready for swarms when you see the launcher model -no warning you can't even hear it coming -in general it does more damage than swarms -can home in -can act as mines -no impact to fitting, doesn't cost much pg or cpu or use a weapon slot -because of this ^ ^ ^ can be used in conjunction with another weapon -is linked to other grenades in the skill tree most people get at least ADV locus so now they have ADV AV -requires little to know skill Just can't get over how a small anti vehicle grenade does more damage than four big anti vehicle missiles, and I'm sure I missed a reason. CCP balance AV grenades so they do there appropriate job on the battlefield. And this was covered in many other threads..... 1. You called out your tank crutch, expect someone to at least have AV grenades 2. Every VEHICLE is the same, is that a friendly one I hear rolling around or flying? 3. It may do similiar damage to a swarm, but the swarm has the range 4. Yes, it can HONE-in within 30 meters, but it is still able to miss if the vehicle is going fast enough; the second grenade needs to be cooked or it bounces off the vehicle to explode harmlessly above or behind the vehicle (aka close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades or in this case AV grenades) 5. Can act as a mine, if the vehicle hits it within 10 seconds (and besides CCP already reduced the length of time it remains on the ground active, and also that it no longer works on infantry without an enemy vehicle) ** At the same time I can't really control the point an AV grenade hits on the vehicle as the weak spot is only hittable by a weapon like the forge gun - I have watched countless grenades bounce off the weak spot in the back and blow up above the vehicle. -Since LONG BEFORE the open beta, swarm launchers tend to hit every ledge a drospship or tank on a building sits upon and not the vehicle and can't even hit a dropship that just goes up high enough. The spot it hones in upon is predetermined in both circumstances. 6. CPU costs is usually 5 more points than the Locus variety, usually results in being forced to use a lower level weapon or Max-ing out the Electronics skill and most of the PG upgrade skill 6a. Show me a dropsuit that can't use at least 1 weapon and a grenade.... most vehicles can have 3 turrets (except the LAV) 7. Most people get ADV to Proto AV grenades to deal with the LLAV's and get the bonus of having the Locus Grenades, fine just divide the grenade skill by 3 one for each type of grenade... but then I want the ability to carry 2 types of grenades so I can defend myself from the vehicles and infantry trying to kill me when there is no Supply Depot. 8. No skill huh, so if you don't know who has AV grenades... how do you know it was just 1 guy throwing them at you and not the Invisible Swarms or the Forge Gunner on top of structures? I wonder why so many people jumped into vehicles (aka the long game) and completely ignored the Infantry aspect (short game) of the game first, well the vehicles ruled the game until enough of us capturing objectives and fighting the other AV users got up enough skills in various things in order to be a more complete soldier and deal with vehicles. It only took us 6 months to be able to not get stomped on by the tanks in every match. Why not wait to see what actually happens after this BIG UPDATE to vehicles that is upcoming? As was said to me when I made inquiries about why my suits CPU was nerfed, EVERYONE KNEW VEHICLES were going to be nerfed, so why did you skill into them, your decisions have consequences; even when ccp is in complete control of your choices and will completely change whatever they want. Ask your fellow tankers to regale you with tales of the time 3 tanks didn't let CCP get out of their SPAWN in a match between (censored as not to rile up the trolls, as they have their 20-30 threads claiming exactly what you are, they have just been slightly more effective with their constant consistent whine and outrageous claims) and the DEVS.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1378	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:11:00 - [39] - Quote nice try. my bacon protects me from forum rage and rage quitting and i have just restocked up.
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 100	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:14:00 - [40] - Quote ladwar wrote: nice try. my bacon protects me from forum rage and rage quitting and i have just restocked up. my last reply as clearly you some troll etc but yeah, no rage or quitting here, i play my tank toon even after i capped

Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 755	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:18:00 - [41] - Quote gbh08 wrote: ladwar wrote: nice try. my bacon protects me from forum rage and rage quitting and i have just restocked up. my last reply as clearly you some troll etc but yeah, no rage or quitting here, i play my tank toon even after i capped I'll tank with you for a day :D If you have a light turret seat open, I have a Core/Axis repair tool for you. Unless you use a Caldari tank, then I'm kinda useless to you :c
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1378	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:25:00 - [42] - Quote i'd love to see someone not die for 70+ matches and not be a redline sniper or AFKing.
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 100	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:29:00 - [43] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: gbh08 wrote: ladwar wrote: nice try. my bacon protects me from forum rage and rage quitting and i have just restocked up. my last reply as clearly you some troll etc but yeah, no rage or quitting here, i play my tank toon even after i capped I'll tank with you for a day :D If you have a light turret seat open, I have a Core/Axis repair tool for you. Unless you use a Caldari tank, then I'm kinda useless to you :c yeah caldari tank here, although im always happy to have gunners in my turrets, especially as i run missiles which are better suited for range, when the small turrets are being used tho its a awesome help its 8:30 am saturday here now tho and im just waiting for a acceptable time to go gate crash a mates house lol but sunday onwards and i'll be online if you want to squad up then or sometime after, and i'll prove my point
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1260	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:30:00 - [44] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: I agree, AV nades are broken and anyone who says otherwise is one of the following things. 1. Someone who hasn't played a tank 2. Have such low self esteem as a gamer they feel they need a crutch 3. Probably still butt hurt over the flaylock nerf 4. Say the MD requires skills 5. Don't see why they have to specc outside of their role to deal with vehicles 6. Love to be argumentative for the sake of it Disclaimer: I am primarily a forge gun tankhunter. I'm going to kill you with or without the grenades. 1: Nope. I have a tank alt. I've not died to AV nades even a tenth of my deaths to swarms. I abuse this thing called a turret, which shoots much further than the mechanical assistance an arm can give to a grenade by a wide margin. Your grenade can hit out to what, 30 meters? I'll be a hundred out drilling you AND your chunky monkey, lazyass friends. 2: No, I find carrying AV nades helps discourage retards in LAVs from trying to bumperhump me. It's a tool. If the tool does the job I want to do, I will use the tool. 3: I give a crap about the flaylock... why? By the way, flaylocks have nothing to do with AV. your butthurt is leaking out of your pants. 4: It does. If you don't have skill then you do about as well with the massdriver as with an AR. Crappy. Again, your butthurt is leaking as this and the flaylock have nothing to do with AV nades. 5: See my disclaimer. I don't have a role. I merely use the most expedient means of killing you I can deploy. This pretty much includes every weapon in the game. 6: I can't argue with this. I love being an argumentative ass. However, your blanket statement shows you are fond of strawman arguments and broad generalizations being touted as evidence. There you go, a proper response to your [CENSORED] statements. There you go. Oh by the way you forgot reason number 7 why I defend AV nades: It pisses you off.
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 100	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:37:00 - [45] - Quote ladwar wrote: i'd love to see someone not die for 70+ matches and not be a redline sniper or AFKing. again, missiles, and keeping a eye out, yeah i had supprise attacks from sneaky naders, but with 39% resists, they got to put a nano hive down, lol if you dont notice that going on in your tank, you deserve to die the missiles are fecking awesome for ohk swarm and forge dude as long as you can see where they are if only we had stats then i would prove my tank loss to call down ratio i basicly dont sit around like a fool, if i cant get that av dude on my own, then im moving to the other side of map for a while And then theres certain maps, (now line harvest) where i refuse to call a tank Again, i play smart and dont think the "world" owes me a favour tanks like a big dropsuit, you cant sit in open and expect to ****, you need cover just like a dropsuit does, end off.
Void Echo Echo Galactic Industries 1151	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:45:00 - [46] - Quote oh ******* god..... ENOUGH ALREADY, everything about vehicles is going to change in 2 months... we may not even have to worry about lazy ass infantry with grenades after that point... until then, squad up and kill.
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 100	Posted - 2013.08.31 07:48:00 - [47] - Quote Void Echo wrote: oh ***** god..... ENOUGH ALREADY, everything about vehicles is going to change in 2 months... we may not even have to worry about lazy ass infantry with grenades after that point... until then, squad up and kill. i agree but thats rich coming from you as you spent the past 3 months in tears lol also, i loved ***** your tank up the other night, although props for the toxin smg hit you got lol
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1379	Posted - 2013.08.31 08:01:00 - [48] - Quote gbh08 wrote: Void Echo wrote: oh ***** god..... ENOUGH ALREADY, everything about vehicles is going to change in 2 months... we may not even have to worry about lazy ass infantry with grenades after that point... until then, squad up and kill. i agree but thats rich coming from you as you spent the past 3 months in tears lol also, i loved ***** your tank up the other night, although props for the toxin smg hit you got lol you need more tacos in life.
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 100	Posted - 2013.08.31 08:13:00 - [49] - Quote ladwar wrote: gbh08 wrote: Void Echo wrote: oh ***** god..... ENOUGH ALREADY, everything about vehicles is going to change in 2 months... we may not even have to worry about lazy ass infantry with grenades after that point... until then, squad up and kill. i agree but thats rich coming from you as you spent the past 3 months in tears lol also, i loved ***** your tank up the other night, although props for the toxin smg hit you got lol you need more beers in your life. fixed*
noobsniper the 2nd The Corporate Raiders 43	Posted - 2013.08.31 08:30:00 - [50] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: I agree, AV nades are broken and anyone who says otherwise is one of the following things. 1. Someone who hasn't played a tank 2. Have such low self esteem as a gamer they feel they need a crutch 3. Probably still butt hurt over the flaylock nerf 4. Say the MD requires skills 5. Don't see why they have to specc outside of their role to deal with vehicles 6. Love to be argumentative for the sake of it I dont think im ANY of those. ''Tanks have no rear view a scout could run behind it unnoticed and hit a tanks weak spot 3 times before he has a chance to react. My tank has way more than 6000 but I don't have enough time to activate hardeners or reppers'' AV nades hit between 750 and 1700. Not even 3 would kill you? You talk like if they are 1 HKO weapons. Again if a SCOUT (LOL) runs BEHIND you then you were in a place you shouldnt be. Believe it or not Tankers have limitations to areas where they can and shouldt be. PLUS, there is something if im not mistaken, you know SCANNERS for tanks? .... have you had a guy fly into your redline as your tank is just touching down and throw 3 proto av nades at you then shoot u with a proto swarm?

ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1381	Posted - 2013.08.31 09:47:00 - [51] - Quote gbh08 wrote: ladwar wrote: gbh08 wrote: Void Echo wrote: oh ***** god..... ENOUGH ALREADY, everything about vehicles is going to change in 2 months... we may not even have to worry about lazy ass infantry with grenades after that point... until then, squad up and kill. i agree but thats rich coming from you as you spent the past 3 months in tears lol also, i loved ***** your tank up the other night, although props for the toxin smg hit you got lol you need more beers in your life. fixed* yea, i'll accept that too.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 416	Posted - 2013.08.31 10:04:00 - [52] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: I agree, AV nades are broken and anyone who says otherwise is one of the following things. 1. Someone who hasn't played a tank 2. Have such low self esteem as a gamer they feel they need a crutch 3. Probably still butt hurt over the flaylock nerf 4. Say the MD requires skills 5. Don't see why they have to specc outside of their role to deal with vehicles 6. Love to be argumentative for the sake of it I dont think im ANY of those. ''Tanks have no rear view a scout could run behind it unnoticed and hit a tanks weak spot 3 times before he has a chance to react. My tank has way more than 6000 but I don't have enough time to activate hardeners or reppers'' AV nades hit between 750 and 1700. Not even 3 would kill you? You talk like if they are 1 HKO weapons. Again if a SCOUT (LOL) runs BEHIND you then you were in a place you shouldnt be. Believe it or not Tankers have limitations to areas where they can and shouldt be. PLUS, there is something if im not mistaken, you know SCANNERS for tanks? .... He has more than 5k if he activates his hardeners. Plus, assuming he's armor, that's upwards to 2160 damage per nade, plus, by the time you can throw three out, if you sit on a nanohive or near a Supply Depot, you can restock another and throw it. I haven't found nobody who can outtank 3 AV nades and 2 swarm shots, even if they have all their stuff on. It's simply impossible. And with the upcoming changes to swarms, it'll be even more ridiculous. Just be quiet, because you don't know what you're talking about.
Ninjanomyx TeamPlayers EoN. 292	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:46:00 - [53] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: You can't use them as mines anymore, they fixed that builds ago. The mines you run over now are ACTUALLY MINES. Wrong.... I toss my Hacked Exos @ the ground in front of me to kill LAVs. Inactive AV Nades activate Homing within a couple of seconds after hitting the ground. Test it yourself...... Fun Fact: Floor an AV Nade & have a low-flying Derpship hover over. Mexican Jumping Beans, hilarity ensues
Benjamin Ciscko S.e.V.e.N. 13	Posted - 2013.08.31 13:30:00 - [54] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: I agree, AV nades are broken and anyone who says otherwise is one of the following things. 1. Someone who hasn't played a tank 2. Have such low self esteem as a gamer they feel they need a crutch 3. Probably still butt hurt over the flaylock nerf 4. Say the MD requires skills 5. Don't see why they have to specc outside of their role to deal with vehicles 6. Love to be argumentative for the sake of it I dont think im ANY of those. ''Tanks have no rear view a scout could run behind it unnoticed and hit a tanks weak spot 3 times before he has a chance to react. My tank has way more than 6000 but I don't have enough time to activate hardeners or reppers'' AV nades hit between 750 and 1700. Not even 3 would kill you? You talk like if they are 1 HKO weapons. Again if a SCOUT (LOL) runs BEHIND you then you were in a place you shouldnt be. Believe it or not Tankers have limitations to areas where they can and shouldt be. PLUS, there is something if im not mistaken, you know SCANNERS for tanks? .... Lai Dai's do at least 2600 damage, I was driving through the city shooting anything that moved and on my 2nd or 3rd lap 3-4 people spammed grenades and I didn't have a chance.
Benjamin Ciscko S.e.V.e.N. 13	Posted - 2013.08.31 13:40:00 - [55] - Quote gbh08 wrote: ladwar wrote: gbh08 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: I agree, AV nades are broken and anyone who says otherwise is one of the following things. 1. Someone who hasn't played a tank 2. Have such low self esteem as a gamer they feel they need a crutch 3. Probably still butt hurt over the flaylock nerf 4. Say the MD requires skills 5. Don't see why they have to specc outside of their role to deal with vehicles 6. Love to be argumentative for the sake of it I dont think im ANY of those. ''Tanks have no rear view a scout could run behind it unnoticed and hit a tanks weak spot 3 times before he has a chance to react. My tank has way more than 6000 but I don't have enough time to activate hardeners or reppers'' AV nades hit between 750 and 1700. Not even 3 would kill you? You talk like if they are 1 HKO weapons. Again if a SCOUT (LOL) runs BEHIND you then you were in a place you shouldnt be. Believe it or not Tankers have limitations to areas where they can and shouldt be. PLUS, there is something if im not mistaken, you know SCANNERS for tanks? .... This ^ situational awareness > av nades rendering failures destroy situational awareness. remember the invisibility glitch? they are planning on making a cloaking module. I agree 100% that the rendering with projectiles is game breaking for tankers but av nades dont come into this........... and like pointed out, its takes way more than 3 nades to fu.ck you up, so the question arrises, why are you sitting there to get smacked by +3 nades..... scrub tanker maybe Way more than 3 if you have the time to activate your modules and if there are 2 people your screwed.
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 102	Posted - 2013.08.31 14:13:00 - [56] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: I agree, AV nades are broken and anyone who says otherwise is one of the following things. 1. Someone who hasn't played a tank 2. Have such low self esteem as a gamer they feel they need a crutch 3. Probably still butt hurt over the flaylock nerf 4. Say the MD requires skills 5. Don't see why they have to specc outside of their role to deal with vehicles 6. Love to be argumentative for the sake of it 4. At least it requires more skill than the lolAR. Not much, just more. Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Lai Dai's do at least 2600 damage, I was driving through the city shooting anything that moved and on my 2nd or 3rd lap 3-4 people spammed grenades and I didn't have a chance. 3-4 AV? You're not supposed to live then. Not with any sort of tank.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 2	Posted - 2013.08.31 14:38:00 - [57] - Quote There are big downsides to using AV grenades: 1. Fitting costs are higher than other grenades. 2. If you carry them you can't bring locus or flux grenades, which leaves you vulnerable against infantry. 3. To actually make use of them you have to get very close to the massive metal death machine. 4. Even if you manage that without dying you can't carry enough to take out a well fitted tank. I wish AV grenades were as OP as tankers say, as I have a stockpile of proto AV grenades that would save me ISK on each suit. But the downsides are so high I very rarely use them.
Dante Vento Firefly Shipping co. 25	Posted - 2013.08.31 16:25:00 - [58] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: I agree, AV nades are broken and anyone who says otherwise is one of the following things. 1. Someone who hasn't played a tank 2. Have such low self esteem as a gamer they feel they need a crutch 3. Probably still butt hurt over the flaylock nerf 4. Say the MD requires skills 5. Don't see why they have to specc outside of their role to deal with vehicles 6. Love to be argumentative for the sake of it I dont think im ANY of those. ''Tanks have no rear view a scout could run behind it unnoticed and hit a tanks weak spot 3 times before he has a chance to react. My tank has way more than 6000 but I don't have enough time to activate hardeners or reppers'' AV nades hit between 750 and 1700. Not even 3 would kill you? You talk like if they are 1 HKO weapons. Again if a SCOUT (LOL) runs BEHIND you then you were in a place you shouldnt be. Believe it or not Tankers have limitations to areas where they can and shouldt be. PLUS, there is something if im not mistaken, you know SCANNERS for tanks? .... Lai Dai's do at least 2600 damage, I was driving through the city shooting anything that moved and on my 2nd or 3rd lap 3-4 people spammed grenades and I didn't have a chance. So you did the exact same thing 3 times in a row? You created a pattern and the moment a soldier creates a pattern their dead. You deserved to die.
KING CHECKMATE Bragian Order Amarr Empire 773	Posted - 2013.08.31 20:35:00 - [59] - Quote nakaya indigene wrote: Lai Dai can kill ANY tank with only 3. you can be in a shield buff tank with skill fully up with the highest resist going full speed past a person with this and die nearly instantly. -1st ITs a PROTO grenade. -2nd, AV grenades are NOT always useful. So you are sacrificing the Chance of using FLux Grenades or Powerful Core Locus Grenades For Lai Dai. -3rd, You must locate the tank -4th, You must RUN TOWARDS the tank, while dodging enemy infantry fire. -5th, IF the tankers is a scub like many here, then you MIGHT get the chance to land ALL 3 of them.... (But probably , its going to be a good tanker since hes practicing instead of whining in the forums,and hes gonna blow your face up) Tanks even some of the slowest i've seen , out-run my 10.4 Sprint speed Scout..... So if you get hit by 3 nades in a row, you deserve them for being still.
Void Echo Echo Galactic Industries 1154	Posted - 2013.08.31 20:44:00 - [60] - Quote gbh08 wrote: Void Echo wrote: oh ***** god..... ENOUGH ALREADY, everything about vehicles is going to change in 2 months... we may not even have to worry about lazy ass infantry with grenades after that point... until then, squad up and kill. i agree but thats rich coming from you as you spent the past 3 months in tears lol also, i loved ***** your tank up the other night, although props for the toxin smg hit you got lol if you mean 3 months giving hard facts and evidence against unbalance then yes. and don't underestimate me outside of my tank, many have done it, none have survived



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