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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:42:00 -
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Blast radius is too large |
Regular Trooper
Pro Hic Immortalis
18
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:45:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I have some faith that CCP will use the data to balance the MD.
It's a situational weapon, and sometimes the situation really favors lots of MD's. I'm sure there are other situations where a squad of MD's would be a poor choice, such as attacking uphill. I wouldn't give that squad much of a chance to capture Objective A on Manus Peak. A couple AR's on the objective would mow them down before they got close.
MD's are the shark attacks of DUST. You may be mowed down time and time again by AR's and snipers and you shrug your shoulders and forget about it, but the one time you are pounded to next week by a bunch of MD's you remember it. The damage is fine, the clip size is fine, the range is fine, in my opinion curently only the radius is a problem since you cant miss a shot even if you are bad with it, that make the MD a noobtool currently, with a nerf on the splash, only who are good with the MD still continue to use it has intended |
McFurious
TeamPlayers EoN.
328
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:46:00 -
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More like QQ 514 |
Regular Trooper
Pro Hic Immortalis
18
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:48:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Blast radius is too large o/, agree |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
69
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:48:00 -
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Regular Trooper wrote:Skihids wrote:I have some faith that CCP will use the data to balance the MD.
It's a situational weapon, and sometimes the situation really favors lots of MD's. I'm sure there are other situations where a squad of MD's would be a poor choice, such as attacking uphill. I wouldn't give that squad much of a chance to capture Objective A on Manus Peak. A couple AR's on the objective would mow them down before they got close.
MD's are the shark attacks of DUST. You may be mowed down time and time again by AR's and snipers and you shrug your shoulders and forget about it, but the one time you are pounded to next week by a bunch of MD's you remember it. The damage is fine, the clip size is fine, the range is fine, in my opinion curently only the radius is a problem since you cant miss a shot even if you are bad with it, that make the MD a noobtool currently, with a nerf on the splash, only who are good with the MD still continue to use it has intended
Exactly, everything is fine except the radius. |
Slaytanical
Chaotik Serenity
11
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:49:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I'm hearing, "I came up against a well coordinated squad and got owned."
Yeah, that happens and I feel for you. Just don't blame the weapon, blame teamwork. We need to get that nerfed apparently.
Righto chap.... it's not teamwork......
it is everyone using a broken.... OP weapon with an ungodly blast radius... not complaining about damage here.
talking about blast radius... its total faceroll.... squad up! all use md's..... spam your arse off rooftops moar betta hint hint... and everyone knows this to be the case. being the reason everyone is doing it..
teamwork hah... |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:49:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Ares 514 wrote:The blast radius on them is BROKEN. I had someone blow me up from full health and even though i went across a building to avoid it they were spamming hits on one area that displayed just how bloody far the blast goes... it's messed up. FYI, I spent a few minutes after i died figuring out where he was and how the heck he managed to get me once i figured it out and watched him spam an area trying to kill me again. The radius is wider then a tank! Yes, the radius, not diameter! Good luck avoiding that ****. Well yea the radius for a proto assault MD is 8.25. Which means the diameter is 16.5.....but according to the MD scrubs on the forums...its balanced perfectly because you know you cant be required to actually aim to hit someone.. As someone else mentioned, there's also the 5% per level blast radius increase from the skill, just in case you had a hard time hitting with that kind of radius....
Right so now your complaing about the assault variant, you are aware the assault does 75 damage a shot, 75 !! Who are you gonna kill with 75 dmg a shot?? Assults are used to mop up the weak, there supposed to be hard to avoid!
So if yiur gonna complain about the diameter I have to ask when you are thinking about the diameter, are you assuming that you can escape because you have move across the entire diameter, or are considering the tactical advantages such a wide diameter brings like crowd control? |
Slaytanical
Chaotik Serenity
11
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:52:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:I rarely even see MDs anymore
LOL then honestly bro i dunno what game it is you are playing.
it ain't DUST MASSDRIVER 514
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:54:00 -
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Slaytanical wrote:Skihids wrote:I'm hearing, "I came up against a well coordinated squad and got owned."
Yeah, that happens and I feel for you. Just don't blame the weapon, blame teamwork. We need to get that nerfed apparently. Righto chap.... it's not teamwork...... it is everyone using a broken.... OP weapon with an ungodly blast radius... not complaining about damage here. talking about blast radius... its total faceroll.... squad up! all use md's..... spam your arse off rooftops moar betta hint hint... and everyone knows this to be the case. being the reason everyone is doing it.. teamwork hah...
So instead of just crying for a nerf like a two year old, provide a figure, see what people say give reasons, both for and against! I mean have you ever considered the point of aoe weapon is to get you to RUN AWAY? You cant miss if your enemy is closer than 20m, but once again I must point out that this is the md ideal range, where its designed to be used. |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
70
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:00:00 -
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OK so I have to start off with a question. Does the damage for the blast radius apply equally at all points within the radius? Because I think it would be alright if it tapered off quickly as you move away from the impact point. This would make physical sense as well. If you think about the weapon, I assume the shrapnel does most of the damage. As you move further from the source, the mass of shrapnel over a given area (your mercs body) decreases exponentially. In other words, if you get hit by the blast radius at say 5m from the impact zone, it should do only a fraction of the blast radius damage. Or is this too complex for CCP? |
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Slaytanical
Chaotik Serenity
12
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:03:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Slaytanical wrote:Skihids wrote:I'm hearing, "I came up against a well coordinated squad and got owned."
Yeah, that happens and I feel for you. Just don't blame the weapon, blame teamwork. We need to get that nerfed apparently. Righto chap.... it's not teamwork...... it is everyone using a broken.... OP weapon with an ungodly blast radius... not complaining about damage here. talking about blast radius... its total faceroll.... squad up! all use md's..... spam your arse off rooftops moar betta hint hint... and everyone knows this to be the case. being the reason everyone is doing it.. teamwork hah... So instead of just crying for a nerf like a two year old, provide a figure, see what people say give reasons, both for and against! I mean have you ever considered the point of aoe weapon is to get you to RUN AWAY? You cant miss if your enemy is closer than 20m, but once again I must point out that this is the md ideal range, where its designed to be used.
Monkey mac is obvious MD spammer..... i haz damaged hi fragile epeen.
fix the freaking blast radius CCP... the game is just becoming a joke......
just rename the game to " what broken and op weapon or bug is everyone using this week to win 514" |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:04:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:OK so I have to start off with a question. Does the damage for the blast radius apply equally at all points within the radius? Because I think it would be alright if it tapered off quickly as you move away from the impact point. This would make physical sense as well. If you think about the weapon, I assume the shrapnel does most of the damage. As you move further from the source, the mass of shrapnel over a given area (your mercs body) decreases exponentially. In other words, if you get hit by the blast radius at say 5m from the impact zone, it should do only a fraction of the blast radius damage. Or is this too complex for CCP?
There not doing that yet, not sure why, but this could potentially make the problem worse, because you would have to buff overall damage and then people will realise how close the md shells have been hitting!! |
Washlee
Pure Innocence. EoN.
280
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:04:00 -
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You should of seen all the names they call this.
Grenadier 514
Tank 514
Missiles 514
Murder Taxi 514
Laser 514
AR 514
Mass Driver 514 Isn't any different. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:06:00 -
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Slaytanical wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Slaytanical wrote:Skihids wrote:I'm hearing, "I came up against a well coordinated squad and got owned."
Yeah, that happens and I feel for you. Just don't blame the weapon, blame teamwork. We need to get that nerfed apparently. Righto chap.... it's not teamwork...... it is everyone using a broken.... OP weapon with an ungodly blast radius... not complaining about damage here. talking about blast radius... its total faceroll.... squad up! all use md's..... spam your arse off rooftops moar betta hint hint... and everyone knows this to be the case. being the reason everyone is doing it.. teamwork hah... So instead of just crying for a nerf like a two year old, provide a figure, see what people say give reasons, both for and against! I mean have you ever considered the point of aoe weapon is to get you to RUN AWAY? You cant miss if your enemy is closer than 20m, but once again I must point out that this is the md ideal range, where its designed to be used. Monkey mac is obvious MD spammer..... i haz damaged hi fragile epeen. fix the freaking blast radius CCP... the game is just becoming a joke...... just rename the game to " what broken and op weapon or bug is everyone using this week to win 514"
Hah please how about actually doing what I asked then? Or is that too much too ask? |
Regular Trooper
Pro Hic Immortalis
19
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:06:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Slaytanical wrote:Skihids wrote:I'm hearing, "I came up against a well coordinated squad and got owned."
Yeah, that happens and I feel for you. Just don't blame the weapon, blame teamwork. We need to get that nerfed apparently. Righto chap.... it's not teamwork...... it is everyone using a broken.... OP weapon with an ungodly blast radius... not complaining about damage here. talking about blast radius... its total faceroll.... squad up! all use md's..... spam your arse off rooftops moar betta hint hint... and everyone knows this to be the case. being the reason everyone is doing it.. teamwork hah... So instead of just crying for a nerf like a two year old, provide a figure, see what people say give reasons, both for and against! I mean have you ever considered the point of aoe weapon is to get you to RUN AWAY? You cant miss if your enemy is closer than 20m, but once again I must point out that this is the md ideal range, where its designed to be used. Not my intention to insult you but im a MD user since close beta, the MD was underpower sometimes true, in chrome MD haved good radius and good damage due to the fact other weapon haved the possibility to shoot 40% more far than now, so in uprising they nerfed the damage and splash for this, that was suppose to be fine but the gun haved hit detection issue they fixed it but they added splash radius in this same time, the splash buff was unnecessery because they fixed the hit detection, now they have to do a nerf on the radius to be fair
EDIT: hope they bring back the smoke effect that was a usefull tactic |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:11:00 -
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Regular Trooper wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Slaytanical wrote:Skihids wrote:I'm hearing, "I came up against a well coordinated squad and got owned."
Yeah, that happens and I feel for you. Just don't blame the weapon, blame teamwork. We need to get that nerfed apparently. Righto chap.... it's not teamwork...... it is everyone using a broken.... OP weapon with an ungodly blast radius... not complaining about damage here. talking about blast radius... its total faceroll.... squad up! all use md's..... spam your arse off rooftops moar betta hint hint... and everyone knows this to be the case. being the reason everyone is doing it.. teamwork hah... So instead of just crying for a nerf like a two year old, provide a figure, see what people say give reasons, both for and against! I mean have you ever considered the point of aoe weapon is to get you to RUN AWAY? You cant miss if your enemy is closer than 20m, but once again I must point out that this is the md ideal range, where its designed to be used. Not my intention to insult you but im a MD user since close beta, the MD was underpower sometimes true, in chrome MD haved good radius and good damage due to the fact other weapon haved the possibility to shoot 40% more far than now, so in uprising they nerfed the damage and splash for this, that was suppose to be fine but the gun haved hit detection issue they fixed it but they added splash radius in this same time, the splash buff was unnecessery because they fixed the hit detection, now they have to do a nerf on the radius to be fair EDIT: hope they bring back the smoke effect that was a usefull tactic
Heh heh im not saying it shouldn't but someone has to defend the weapon, besides im sure there are plenty of things that could be done with out an full blown nerf, such as larger feedback radius, even slower travel, proper fall off profile, etc etc.
Just so many people complaining with out giving proper argumemts gets on my nerves!!
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Jenza's Pants
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
106
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:12:00 -
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1 Mass driver on the other team? OMG MASS DRIVER 514!!!!!!!111111
TEARS |
Raymundo Kagestad V
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:15:00 -
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CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote:Its CCP Don't Give A Fucks 514.
F2P Broke LOL Lobby Shooter.
Working as intended.
I meant to ask you how old you were. Generally you post after 3 O'clock eastern, and everything you post is pointless ****. I imagine you just started the 7th grade, given this evidence. |
Regular Trooper
Pro Hic Immortalis
19
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:18:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Regular Trooper wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Slaytanical wrote:Skihids wrote:I'm hearing, "I came up against a well coordinated squad and got owned."
Yeah, that happens and I feel for you. Just don't blame the weapon, blame teamwork. We need to get that nerfed apparently. Righto chap.... it's not teamwork...... it is everyone using a broken.... OP weapon with an ungodly blast radius... not complaining about damage here. talking about blast radius... its total faceroll.... squad up! all use md's..... spam your arse off rooftops moar betta hint hint... and everyone knows this to be the case. being the reason everyone is doing it.. teamwork hah... So instead of just crying for a nerf like a two year old, provide a figure, see what people say give reasons, both for and against! I mean have you ever considered the point of aoe weapon is to get you to RUN AWAY? You cant miss if your enemy is closer than 20m, but once again I must point out that this is the md ideal range, where its designed to be used. Not my intention to insult you but im a MD user since close beta, the MD was underpower sometimes true, in chrome MD haved good radius and good damage due to the fact other weapon haved the possibility to shoot 40% more far than now, so in uprising they nerfed the damage and splash for this, that was suppose to be fine but the gun haved hit detection issue they fixed it but they added splash radius in this same time, the splash buff was unnecessery because they fixed the hit detection, now they have to do a nerf on the radius to be fair EDIT: hope they bring back the smoke effect that was a usefull tactic Heh heh im not saying it shouldn't but someone has to defend the weapon, besides im sure there are plenty of things that could be done with out an full blown nerf, such as larger feedback radius, even slower travel, proper fall off profile, etc etc. Just so many people complaining with out giving proper argumemts gets on my nerves!! Dont worry the gun will not change before they see the impact on the MD of the new hit detection in 1.4 |
Slaytanical
Chaotik Serenity
12
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:21:00 -
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Jenza's Pants wrote:1 Mass driver on the other team? OMG MASS DRIVER 514!!!!!!!111111
TEARS
LOL U serious????
iv'e not been in a match for 2 weeks now easy where there was only "ONE" mass driver on the other team.
lol " Please sir step away from the bong"
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:30:00 -
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Slaytanical wrote:Jenza's Pants wrote:1 Mass driver on the other team? OMG MASS DRIVER 514!!!!!!!111111
TEARS LOL U serious???? iv'e not been in a match for 2 weeks now easy where there was only "ONE" mass driver on the other team. lol " Please sir step away from the bong" Please sir actually read logical arguments, and reply to them logically not with insults!! Refer to the large post I gave on pg 2-3 forreference!! |
Slaytanical
Chaotik Serenity
12
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:36:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Slaytanical wrote:Jenza's Pants wrote:1 Mass driver on the other team? OMG MASS DRIVER 514!!!!!!!111111
TEARS LOL U serious???? iv'e not been in a match for 2 weeks now easy where there was only "ONE" mass driver on the other team. lol " Please sir step away from the bong" Please sir actually read logical arguments, and reply to them logically not with insults!! Refer to the large post I gave on pg 2-3 forreference!!
agreed...... i dropped a low blow in on that one. and i do apologize for the bong comment.
but his statement was so far from the truth. i could not resist.
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:38:00 -
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Slaytanical wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Slaytanical wrote:Jenza's Pants wrote:1 Mass driver on the other team? OMG MASS DRIVER 514!!!!!!!111111
TEARS LOL U serious???? iv'e not been in a match for 2 weeks now easy where there was only "ONE" mass driver on the other team. lol " Please sir step away from the bong" Please sir actually read logical arguments, and reply to them logically not with insults!! Refer to the large post I gave on pg 2-3 forreference!! agreed...... i dropped a low blow in on that one. and i do apologize for the bong comment. but his statement was so far from the truth. i could not resist.
Fine ill let it slide, so if you were to drop the radius what to? |
Slaytanical
Chaotik Serenity
12
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:06:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Slaytanical wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Slaytanical wrote:Jenza's Pants wrote:1 Mass driver on the other team? OMG MASS DRIVER 514!!!!!!!111111
TEARS LOL U serious???? iv'e not been in a match for 2 weeks now easy where there was only "ONE" mass driver on the other team. lol " Please sir step away from the bong" Please sir actually read logical arguments, and reply to them logically not with insults!! Refer to the large post I gave on pg 2-3 forreference!! agreed...... i dropped a low blow in on that one. and i do apologize for the bong comment. but his statement was so far from the truth. i could not resist. Fine ill let it slide, so if you were to drop the radius what to?
ill step up and admit it friend... i dont know enough about the mass driver or it's current state to say what the radius needs to be changed to. i used it twice back in closed beta for about 20 minutes and have not touched it since.
what im saying is if my full team runs into say 2 or 3 md users spamming shots ....... we are doomed... there is basically no where to run....
look i understand the concept of how it is an area weapon... not precision. but also the farther your merc is from ground zero of the explosion... seems to me it should be less damage taken. and i do not think that to be the case..
someone in a earlier post lol'ed if i remember right---- "are you kidding? a prototype md does only 75 damage lul" who ya gonna kill with that?
so in turn i lol..... when 3 or more mercs are spamming md shots in your face... the whole team will drop like flies.
from having nowhere to run. say im hating trolling what ever but its true. people know this. thats why everyone and their sister are using them..... blast radius is too large... damage and ammo are spot on far as i know.
blast radius is far to large.... that or splash dmg... cmo'n man you know it too.
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semperfi1999
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
798
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:17:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Slaytanical wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Slaytanical wrote:Jenza's Pants wrote:1 Mass driver on the other team? OMG MASS DRIVER 514!!!!!!!111111
TEARS LOL U serious???? iv'e not been in a match for 2 weeks now easy where there was only "ONE" mass driver on the other team. lol " Please sir step away from the bong" Please sir actually read logical arguments, and reply to them logically not with insults!! Refer to the large post I gave on pg 2-3 forreference!! agreed...... i dropped a low blow in on that one. and i do apologize for the bong comment. but his statement was so far from the truth. i could not resist. Fine ill let it slide, so if you were to drop the radius what to?
Honestly the first change should just be to remove the 25% bonus they get to the radius and see how that affects the balance. Make the bonus help the MD in other areas where its hurting...like increasing the max rounds carried. |
Yokal Bob
Gravity Prone
178
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:35:00 -
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mass drivers are grenade launchers, should they do the same damage as a grenade each shot? no (wish they would lol). so dont complain, plus most people use ARs, each weapon is unique instead of having just a variety of ARs (which is part of what makes this game good, its uniqueness). i honestly find the mass drivers are fine as they are, just depends on how you use it. please dont cry everytime you get killed by a weapon. as long as they dont ruin the game the weapons are fine. |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
215
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:43:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:mass drivers are grenade launchers, should they do the same damage as a grenade each shot? no (wish they would lol). so dont complain, plus most people use ARs, each weapon is unique instead of having just a variety of ARs (which is part of what makes this game good, its uniqueness). i honestly find the mass drivers are fine as they are, just depends on how you use it. please dont cry everytime you get killed by a weapon. as long as they dont ruin the game the weapons are fine. This is true, but I think there's still room to improve upon MDs/make the experience better with them.
What I don't understand is that they nerfed Thukker on-contact grenades to be just one carried at a time, because they were being too widely used, yet they keep the MD in the game that lets you spam on-contact grenades every second 6 times. Also, similar weapons that have tremendous AOE potential have spool-up time (FG/Plasma Cannon) or have ridiculous limitations (1 shot per barrel, slow moving projectile, long reload)(Plasma Cannon). Yet still, the MD allows for quick firing of 6 on-contact exploding grenades. These things have me scratching my head, and the plasma cannon could act as a counter if given the proper amount of buffs.
So, figure maybe the MD will lose some of its 1-per-second rate of fire, the amount of grenades in the clip (6), the fact that they explode on-contact (over bouncing or delay timer). It also might only explode when aiming ADS (why does its ADS sight have the exact same reticle as hip firing??) The MD could also be made into a heavy weapon, but that likely would disrupt too much of the skilling that has been done for it being a light weapon, so is unlikely to happen.
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
343
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:14:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Regular Trooper wrote:Honestly the radius is too big, that need no skill to hit an ennemy with the MD, the rest the weapon us fine but the radius need to be nerfed This is what I have been saying....heck if nothing else remove the bonus increase you get with when skilling into MD and make it something else...like ability to carry additional rounds. So like 5% increase to max ammo carried per lvl. Oh and Skihids.......6 ppl spamming proto assault MDs is not called teamwork or a "squad working together" its called 6 ppl who are using the current weapon that CCP has broken. Imperfects, tac rifle? I have heard this somewhere before hmmm.. |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
136
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:54:00 -
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AR 514
in your case
QQ 514: Electric Boogaloo |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1170
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:04:00 -
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I really don't see MD's in matches too often, and it's even more rare I get killed by one.
The ratio of getting killed by a MD vs killed by an AR is probably 10:1 in favor of the AR. The thing is, people generally don't complain about getting killed by the same weapon they use, and since most run around with AR's they don't realize that it kills them more frequently than any other weapon.
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