As the DUST economy is somewhat effed right now with EoN teaming up a huge group of outstanding players in DUST to ISK farm Molden Heath and a lot of players having tens to hundreds of millions of their own ISK saved from pubs alone, why not just go ahead and merge the economies? What's the worst that could happen?

when EvE and Dust do Merge I want the differnce between a corp having EvE support and a corp without to be noticeable to say the least!

Shouldn't merging economies between games be one of the first steps of merging the two games though?

But in what way? problem is..what does Dust have to offer the EvE community?

But in what way? problem is..what does Dust have to offer the EvE community?

But in what way? problem is..what does Dust have to offer the EvE community?

Too easy to farm isk in Dust.

But in what way? problem is..what does Dust have to offer the EvE community?

The big difference is this. I have 28mil on my dust toon, which for a dust toon is plenty. Not amazing, but more than enough to get by.
On my EVE toon I can make that in an hour or two, depending on how lazy I am being.

Approximately .08% of our actions affect EVE.

The exchange rate of Dust Isk and Eve Isk, Too easy to farm isk in Dust.

Also what are we gonna buy from Eve players? and what are they gonna buy from us? These are questions that CCP are probably asking themselves. IMHO we should be able to produce parts for ships and the ships themselves, and Eve players should be able to make dropsuits as well as weapons, it would allow free trade between the players of both games.

Anyway, for us to have have a functioning economy with the EVE players we need to be able to mine and manufacture stuff the EVE players want, and visa versa, and atm it is not implemented in any way.

Trading between Dust players though, this I see coming sooner.

dust has a very solid check of ISK in to ISK out and adding the mass amount of easy grind ISK from EVE to dust will destroy worth in dust.

My first post was intending to prove the little worth of ISK currently in DUST, especially to the likes of EoN. ISK in DUST may be scarce to new and a few bad budgeting players, but a lot (especially vets who have been around a while) have plenty of ISK to spare. I alone have 200M ISK in my personal bank from pubs and a little bit of PC and that's after giving away millions and wasting millions more on assault dropships and the like.

We've had the following discussion on my alliance's forum and no one has found a good reason to keep the economies separate at this point:

Because for $15 I can buy a PLEX (Pilot's License Extension) and sell it for ~ 500,000,000 ISK. That's enough for me to run 2000x full Proto suits at 250,000 ISK each.

And that's just me being lazy and paying for it. I know people in EVE who have hundreds of billions of ISK in assets sitting around. It would cause inflation, or Proto spam, on a horribly huge scale.

What would be cool is if there were separate currencies. Interstellar Kredits (ISK) and Planetary Kredits (PK) with a fluctuating exchange rate. So a Proto Assault Rifle may only be 75,000 PK or 7.5 million ISK. Then people can hedge on future exchange rates like we do in RL with the dollar vs the euro vs the yen.

Just make the reason that, since our contracts are on planets, we, under interstellar trade law, must be compensated with the proper "planetary" currency which is PK.

Oh Gawd not this again

Seriously, almost every roundtable at Fanfest always ended with merging the economies or mining.Luckly CCP also made quite it clear that either is not going to happen for a while.

Eve Integration needs to first and foremost focus on battle support: OBs, sending in drones, Logistics, scouting... etc. Only once a strong foundation is formed, should CCP move on to economy and other things.

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EVE players already can manufacture ground equipment, you can search the BPOs of weapon/mods/vehicles/suits on the market
And we already take part in PI

But in what way? problem is..what does Dust have to offer the EvE community?

EVE players already can manufacture ground equipment, you can search the BPOs of weapon/mods/vehicles/suits on the market
And we already take part in PI

CCP needs to make PI rights exclusive to ground control corps, or have ground controlling corp have the ability to sell rights for PI on a weekly/monthly basis. This will only effectively work if all planets and moons are available for PC battles.

All merc gear has corresponding BPO in Eve already, it may be possible to allow mercs to manufacture, but that would require a new skill tree (or 2), and with no way to gather materials mercs would need to buy them all from the market, or thru contract.

The contracts system is another headache. Unless mercs gain access to gravity lifts and POCO's, or at the very least, be able to nominate a home system and rent office space.

I read right after the last phase of beta the amount of ISK destroyed in Dust was actually about the same as the amount destroyed in EVE.

Also, there aren't very many ISK sinks in EVE, so you might be right. The only way ISK gets destroyed is through stuff you pay to NPC's, such as taxes, war dec fees, corp creation fees, alliance creation fees etc.

Dont forget ships blowing up stocked to the brim of 32 billion iskies .....

Although I understand where the OP is coming from, I'd say it's generous to say we even have an economy, because we have a market, but its' one way with prices managed centrally... there is no player based economy since we can't trade or sell things to each other (yet). We can of course, give each other ISK for services, however dubious they may be, but there is no goods trade and no supply/demand effect on right now, which is the basis for a capitalist market.

I feel once they've introduced player->player trading and some kind of contract system then they can start working on integrating both economies a bit better. However, on the roadmap, it is difficult to place how important this is to CCP, whether it will be in 2013 at all, or is stretched way into 2014. I feel it would really engage players more as you have a "metagame" in a sense that keeps you busy when you get bored of running instant battles.

Not really, ship and module destruction do NOT destroy isk. In fact, PVP and ship destruction creates ISK for the eve economy in the form of ship insurance. The ISK may have disappeared from your wallet when you buy a ship, but that ISK is merely transferred to another person's wallet (with a small portion paid in taxes etc.)

Wrong the insurance barely covers the value from a ship and the modules have a 50% drop chance. So The difference between insurance payout and actual value is ISK destroyed. Same goes for modules cause if they dont drop from the wreck then the ISK is aswell gone.

Wrong the insurance barely covers the value from a ship and the modules have a 50% drop chance. So The difference between insurance payout and actual value is ISK destroyed. Same goes for modules cause if they dont drop from the wreck then the ISK is aswell gone.

The exchange rate of Dust Isk and Eve Isk, Too easy to farm isk in Dust.

Also what are we gonna buy from Eve players? and what are they gonna buy from us? These are questions that CCP are probably asking themselves. IMHO we should be able to produce parts for ships and the ships themselves, and Eve players should be able to make dropsuits as well as weapons, it would allow free trade between the players of both games.

Anyway, for us to have have a functioning economy with the EVE players we need to be able to mine and manufacture stuff the EVE players want, and visa versa, and atm it is not implemented in any way.

Trading between Dust players though, this I see coming sooner.

its more of the fact that EvE could lock dust players out of the market by over priceing everything or worse, the EvE market collapses for some reasion, and it can happen as you can just look at the real world markets seeming unimportant events can screw the whole thing up.

If we had some ISK sinks in Dust other than battles

We've had the following discussion on my alliance's forum and no one has found a good reason to keep the economies separate at this point: