Your decisions matter, how dare you ask to destroy the delicate economic balance of DUST with your frivolous, selfish, satanic ways.

BLASPHEMER!!!

unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again.

I don't think the standard respec counter-arguments apply here folks.
This isn't like changing the bonus on a suit, or the stats of a weapon. Skill reworks usually involve a reimbursement of the skills changed.
OP appears to be sincerely curious, rather than trying to squeeze a respec out of CCP. I could be wrong of course.

if u invested ur SP u should live with it =D

Its the only way to ensure that we all use all of the same gear at all times.

Every time there's a change to the game at all, we should all demand respecs!

Its the only way to ensure that we all use all of the same gear at all times.

But... its not our decision for our AV and vehicals to be changed? How can it be "our decisions" when we speced into something almost 6 months ago and now CCP is changing it? Were not changing the SP we spent, CCP is. Is that our decision?

Since everyone is so anti respec. No respec when racial suits come out

we are in an infant phase of dust, where we are lacking basic content in the game e.g. still dont have basic racial variants etc.

think of EVE that has been around for a while. the playerbase is so settled and there has been so much in fluctuations of stats that respecs are pointless and the plaers simply deal with it.

this could actually be a case then FOR respecs in Dust, but as I also said, I support having to take one in the jaw and just play with what you have. I play tanks because i enjoy them, not because i think X will beat Y. I believe CCP develops their game this way and this is part of what attracts me to Dust. I am a tanker, not a FOTM user.

okay what if the 1.5 patch changes tanks so you dont like tanks? should you be respeced? if you dont enjoy the game anymore? You jus said it yourself, you playem cuz you enjoy them. No telling if youl enjoy the tanks after the balance, or if anyone will. what if you dont?

Also, to be a little selfish, Im a dust vet, one of the first. I never had a respec. I had to learn how the game worked and learn what things to use and how to use them through hard work, grinds, and skill RESETS. Now all these easy moders demand a respec simply because their gun does 10 less points of damage or the splash is a little tighter....

get gud

you mean like in every patch since E3?

Since everyone is so anti respec. No respec when racial suits come out

absolutely. minny tanks come out everyone starts from square one. You didnt spec into just tanks, you specced into a CALDARI tank or a GALLENTE tank. deal with it. you knew ahead of time there were variants.

The thing is that when I first started playing I thought I was only spending isk, I didn't understand until later. At first I wanted a respec really bad because I realized sp was hard to come by, but now I live with. I don't wanna see a respec come ever now.

thats an exageration and youknowit. You still enjoy dust, your still here sence E3. I mean if its changed to the point were you ligitimentally dont enjoy dust anymore and your screwed because your millions of SP are forever spent and you dont have them back. What do you do then, just stop playing?

but we dident know that some of us will be trash tankers for months because we dident spec into skills that are bad now and will be good a few months from now? Thats not our decsion. You cant pin that on us

exmaple, your shooting yourself in the foot. you keep saying what if they suck? respec!

BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING.......for an entire year bud lol

ive had to deal with this **** without ever hoping for a respec, and now people start bitching cause their stuff sucks? now its their turn. you should feel the same way.

lastly, to round out my answer.....if tanks are even more useless in 1.5.......ill handle that when we get there. isn't it tiring expecting ****? i personally find it easier to simply believe in ccp (what an unpopular thig these days) since i know how they operate via EVE and know they operate on a plan that extends beyond next year, which is something 99% of the playerbase here cant wrap their heads around, cause we have never had a game like this on console. This is why many EVE players seem like fanbois, cause they have had experience with more than just EA and Activision.

Is it unfair/unfortunate? hell yeah

a year down the line will things simply be much better? hell yeah

does the thought of having to wait a year to flush the toilet suck? hell yeah

these things we agree upon. I think between you and i it is simply a matter of glass half full/empty.

Well like you said 99% of us are not eve players, we dont want to be useless for months on end like we have been doing its not fun and i dont know how you eve players and fanbois have fun being decent one day and then loosing all your isk, gear and presence on the battlefeild striped from you the next. How is getting your ass kicked because the company changes the skills you skilled into even though their supposed to be perminate decisions, ones that matter? Its suppose to be your personal charachter and then someone else changes it, its like you picked out a nice stake for dinner and then someone replaces it with a peice of sh*t and doesent let you eat anything else. Thats what bad changes and no respecs feel like. Its just not fun, we the ppl of dust dont want to go through that again, its getting rediculas

yeah basically. your okay with being screwed over and im not... not sure how you can feel that way. Iknow im not staying if 1.5 is disappointing, i play games to have fun not to get screwed over

Also, to be a little selfish, Im a dust vet, one of the first. I never had a respec. I had to learn how the game worked and learn what things to use and how to use them through hard work, grinds, and skill RESETS. Now all these easy moders demand a respec simply because their gun does 10 less points of damage or the splash is a little tighter....

get gud

No offence m8, but you can't be one of the first if you never got a respec.
I commend your attitude to the game though.

My saving grace here is that i am in fact a vet and i have enough SP to spill over into other things. I would be more upset if i didnt have that sp. Then again, I have been dealing with this **** for over a year and its about time i get some kind of a break

Yeahh they fired CCP Blam! because he upset the balance between AV and vehicals and now their redoing the entire procedure from square one. They said "redoing everything from the ground up" so its... almost everything about vehicles and how to kill them. Pretty different than a single skill or a single gun, its everything. So we should be given some respecs right? Theres no telling what will be effective and what wont be after 1.5. Without the respecs youl be placed in ethire boat randomly. Not a very good way to go about changing an entire portion of the game

If the same skills still offer access to the same gear, and all that is changed is their passives as well as general vehicle functionality, then I'd say no respec.
But from the sounds of the upcoming changes, they may work with an entirely new set of skills. Hopefully ones that more accurately mirror dropsuit skills.
Then they may have no choice but to refund the relevant sp, since the alternative would be for CCP to choose which of the new skills closest represent your previous setup, and spend your points for you.

simply referring to the lack of respecs throughout the many builds over the past year of Dust, where each build brought with it a reset and a chance to try something new, even though i chose tanks every time

Yeahh theyve been saying its going to be drastic changes in all directions for vehicals and AV so it should have a significant impact to vehicals as we know it. Their hinting at an entirely new experience, something enjoyable, and we would like the opportunity to enjoy the changes and make use of them

Exmaple, have you sent in a ticket or anything?

I'd like a respec depending on the changes. I'd think it should be limited either to vehicle tree only or to those with, say, 50% or more in the vehicle tree.

Of course, if they're just overblowing the level of changes, then w/e.

Saw you had 999 likes.

You're welcome.

I say respec everything. Its not fair to the people who gave up on tanking and specced out of it or vice versa post patch. Full respec lets go

you are a gentleman and a scholar

Yeahh theyve been saying its going to be drastic changes in all directions for vehicals and AV so it should have a significant impact to vehicals as we know it. Their hinting at an entirely new experience, something enjoyable, and we would like the opportunity to enjoy the changes and make use of them

The release of Uprising brought a mandatory respec with it. Surely you noticed? You would have been affected by the incorrectly labelled vehicle engineering skill.
There was an optional one after that too.
You're certainly a vet if you've been here since closed beta.

in this case it is entirely appropriate for a respec. It's CCP's game and they can do whatever they want, so i am not going to say players have a right to be upset, but it is something that if it wasn't done, it would do more harm to CCP's playerbase than good considering they are operating without considering their players. Simple as that.

i like the idea of it and it would be best for the game in general, to have some more variety in dust but F*** you guys for not sticking through this dark age!!!

i am not used to someone reasonable and seeing both sides. At all. why cant more ppl be like yeww <3

Lol I doubt they will be making substantial changes... just tweaking some numbers and seeing what happens.

Vehicle changes will probably take 3-4 iterations over the next year. We all know CCP's live-test server development style.

Were getting the entire table switched with everything "being built from the ground up" So will all our vehical and AV skills be refunded back to us? if its all being completly redone in most aspects id imagine those players who have SP invested into them would be allowed to reallocate them, because some tank weapons, hulls, and mods, and infantry AV means that are effective now may not be effective after the patch

No and we didnt even received 1.4 yet. So stop talking about something that we porbs get in december.

I spit at the weak-hearted. You have been voted off the island, have fun with your cal-logis while ex and i roll around in our shiny new proto tanks in 1.5

if u invested ur SP u should live with it =D

Based on what I have seen it would NOT surprise me if they refund all skill points allotted to vehicles.

The lot of you should already know I am against most respecs but this is the scenario where I feel it's warranted for vehicle specific skills.

Team Kong will post soon enough just some things are beginning to muddle their work load including the melee bug.

Well... its not saying they will respec but its drastic enough that if we do see the specific changes it may prompt asking for it and getting agreed with.

Respec for people that have most of their points in vehicles would make sense but it would be unfair for those that didn't spec'd into vehicles considering the changes might make vehicles interesting for players that previously weighted the pros and cons of specialization into the latter.

Respec for people that have most of their points in vehicles would make sense but it would be unfair for those that didn't spec'd into vehicles considering the changes might make vehicles interesting for players that previously weighted the pros and cons of specialization into the latter.

Well... its not saying they will respec but its drastic enough that if we do see the specific changes it may prompt asking for it and getting agreed with.

Considering how the last optional respec execution from CCP, I really think they could save time by refunding all sp for everyone. Cant believe how much work doing individual respecs was. Its all about corporate efficiency.

i want confirmation that CCP is listening to the feedback regarding AV and vehicles,

sagaris shall return

Thanks for the threads, I'll go through them and pass them on. If you're looking to attract CCP Wolfman's attention in the future, I suggest laying out honeyed lamb as a suitable bait.

It seems like the only people who want respecs are the FOTM users.

tanks are currently in their darkest age....

i want confirmation that CCP is listening to the feedback regarding AV and vehicles,

sagaris shall return

unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again.

I dont think you understand, say i put 1.5mil sp into powergrid upgrades for my suit (+25% PG on all suits)
if that skill were then to become (-25% cpu cost of PG upgrade) lol vehicle skills) then i did not put skill points into that skill, they took my skill and put it into another, you should then get skill points back
ONLY in the case of the changing a skill not the % -/+ should you get back SP
ie HMG/Scrambler riffle skills

Were getting the entire table switched with everything "being built from the ground up" So will all our vehical and AV skills be refunded back to us? if its all being completly redone in most aspects id imagine those players who have SP invested into them would be allowed to reallocate them, because some tank weapons, hulls, and mods, and infantry AV means that are effective now may not be effective after the patch

No. CCP wants you to live with the consequences of their actions.

Respecs would undermine that.

1 Full Respec to ALL, on or slightly after 1.5, would be sufficient.

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