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Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 996	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:35:00 - [1] - Quote unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 996	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:04:00 - [2] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again. But... its not our decision for our AV and vehicals to be changed? How can it be "our decisions" when we speced into something almost 6 months ago and now CCP is changing it? Were not changing the SP we spent, CCP is. Is that our decision? we are in an infant phase of dust, where we are lacking basic content in the game e.g. still dont have basic racial variants etc. think of EVE that has been around for a while. the playerbase is so settled and there has been so much in fluctuations of stats that respecs are pointless and the plaers simply deal with it. this could actually be a case then FOR respecs in Dust, but as I also said, I support having to take one in the jaw and just play with what you have. I play tanks because i enjoy them, not because i think X will beat Y. I believe CCP develops their game this way and this is part of what attracts me to Dust. I am a tanker, not a FOTM user.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 996	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:09:00 - [3] - Quote The only thing that would make me desire a respec is if there are changes to skills so extreme that they are clearly no longer what we specced into in the first place. If missiles are useless in 1.5, we still specced into missiles and we dont get a respec. If missiles are completely gone and replaced with guns that shoot duck farts and you need a gunner for the main gun and tanks no longer use armor plates, well then ya, thats a respec
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 996	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:10:00 - [4] - Quote Viktor Vikrizi wrote: Since everyone is so anti respec. No respec when racial suits come out absolutely. minny tanks come out everyone starts from square one. You didnt spec into just tanks, you specced into a CALDARI tank or a GALLENTE tank. deal with it. you knew ahead of time there were variants.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 997	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:15:00 - [5] - Quote Also, to be a little selfish, Im a dust vet, one of the first. I never had a respec. I had to learn how the game worked and learn what things to use and how to use them through hard work, grinds, and skill RESETS. Now all these easy moders demand a respec simply because their gun does 10 less points of damage or the splash is a little tighter.... get gud
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 997	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:20:00 - [6] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again. But... its not our decision for our AV and vehicals to be changed? How can it be "our decisions" when we speced into something almost 6 months ago and now CCP is changing it? Were not changing the SP we spent, CCP is. Is that our decision? we are in an infant phase of dust, where we are lacking basic content in the game e.g. still dont have basic racial variants etc. think of EVE that has been around for a while. the playerbase is so settled and there has been so much in fluctuations of stats that respecs are pointless and the plaers simply deal with it. this could actually be a case then FOR respecs in Dust, but as I also said, I support having to take one in the jaw and just play with what you have. I play tanks because i enjoy them, not because i think X will beat Y. I believe CCP develops their game this way and this is part of what attracts me to Dust. I am a tanker, not a FOTM user. okay what if the 1.5 patch changes tanks so you dont like tanks? should you be respeced? if you dont enjoy the game anymore? You jus said it yourself, you playem cuz you enjoy them. No telling if youl enjoy the tanks after the balance, or if anyone will. what if you dont? you mean like in every patch since E3?
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 997	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:26:00 - [7] - Quote exmaple, your shooting yourself in the foot. you keep saying what if they suck? respec! BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING.......for an entire year bud lol ive had to deal with this ** without ever hoping for a respec, and now people start bitching cause their stuff sucks? now its their turn. you should feel the same way. lastly, to round out my answer.....if tanks are even more useless in 1.5.......ill handle that when we get there. isn't it tiring expecting **? i personally find it easier to simply believe in ccp (what an unpopular thig these days) since i know how they operate via EVE and know they operate on a plan that extends beyond next year, which is something 99% of the playerbase here cant wrap their heads around, cause we have never had a game like this on console. This is why many EVE players seem like fanbois, cause they have had experience with more than just EA and Activision.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 997	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:28:00 - [8] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: thats an exageration and youknowit. You still enjoy dust, your still here sence E3. I mean if its changed to the point were you ligitimentally dont enjoy dust anymore and your screwed because your millions of SP are forever spent and you dont have them back. What do you do then, just stop playing? Because i SINCERELY enjoy STB and log on with a smile knowing i can steamroll with the team. Also, I am simply better than other players and it doesnt matter how bad tanks are, i still win with them. this has been proven to myself over and over again since E3, so yeah. I guess i have laerned how to mix confidence with stubbornness.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 999	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:31:00 - [9] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Viktor Vikrizi wrote: Since everyone is so anti respec. No respec when racial suits come out absolutely. minny tanks come out everyone starts from square one. You didnt spec into just tanks, you specced into a CALDARI tank or a GALLENTE tank. deal with it. you knew ahead of time there were variants. but we dident know that some of us will be trash tankers for months because we dident spec into skills that are bad now and will be good a few months from now? Thats not our decsion. You cant pin that on us Is it unfair/unfortunate? hell yeah a year down the line will things simply be much better? hell yeah does the thought of having to wait a year to flush the toilet suck? hell yeah these things we agree upon. I think between you and i it is simply a matter of glass half full/empty.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 999	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:37:00 - [10] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: exmaple, your shooting yourself in the foot. you keep saying what if they suck? respec! BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING.......for an entire year bud lol ive had to deal with this ** without ever hoping for a respec, and now people start bitching cause their stuff sucks? now its their turn. you should feel the same way. lastly, to round out my answer.....if tanks are even more useless in 1.5.......ill handle that when we get there. isn't it tiring expecting *? i personally find it easier to simply believe in ccp (what an unpopular thig these days) since i know how they operate via EVE and know they operate on a plan that extends beyond next year, which is something 99% of the playerbase here cant wrap their heads around, cause we have never had a game like this on console. This is why many EVE players seem like fanbois, cause they have had experience with more than just EA and Activision. Well like you said 99% of us are not eve players, we dont want to be useless for months on end like we have been doing its not fun and i dont know how you eve players and fanbois have fun being decent one day and then loosing all your isk, gear and presence on the battlefeild striped from you the next. How is getting your ass kicked because the company changes the skills you skilled into even though their supposed to be perminate decisions, ones that matter? Its suppose to be your personal charachter and then someone else changes it, its like you picked out a nice stake for dinner and then someone replaces it with a peice of sht and doesent let you eat anything else. Thats what bad changes and no respecs feel like. Its just not fun, we the ppl of dust dont want to go through that again, its getting rediculas very good point. in response i have to say that while CCP hasnt proven to be the best at balancing things, Blam is gone and more than half of the time they have wasted on balancing is due to the playerbase demanding X or Y, which usually is more frivolous than necessary, like players whining about mass drivers that have splash damage. Remember too, CCP had a roadmap layed out and we would have had WAY more content, but they threw those plans away to give us corporations and an extra game mode, things that would not have been in Dust upon release originally. The playerbase has way more say in things than they think.

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1000	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:39:00 - [11] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Viktor Vikrizi wrote: Since everyone is so anti respec. No respec when racial suits come out absolutely. minny tanks come out everyone starts from square one. You didnt spec into just tanks, you specced into a CALDARI tank or a GALLENTE tank. deal with it. you knew ahead of time there were variants. but we dident know that some of us will be trash tankers for months because we dident spec into skills that are bad now and will be good a few months from now? Thats not our decsion. You cant pin that on us Is it unfair/unfortunate? hell yeah a year down the line will things simply be much better? hell yeah does the thought of having to wait a year to flush the toilet suck? hell yeah these things we agree upon. I think between you and i it is simply a matter of glass half full/empty. yeah basically. your okay with being screwed over and im not... not sure how you can feel that way. Iknow im not staying if 1.5 is disappointing, i play games to have fun not to get screwed over My saving grace here is that i am in fact a vet and i have enough SP to spill over into other things. I would be more upset if i didnt have that sp. Then again, I have been dealing with this **** for over a year and its about time i get some kind of a break
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1000	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:43:00 - [12] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Also, to be a little selfish, Im a dust vet, one of the first. I never had a respec. I had to learn how the game worked and learn what things to use and how to use them through hard work, grinds, and skill RESETS. Now all these easy moders demand a respec simply because their gun does 10 less points of damage or the splash is a little tighter.... get gud No offence m8, but you can't be one of the first if you never got a respec. I commend your attitude to the game though. simply referring to the lack of respecs throughout the many builds over the past year of Dust, where each build brought with it a reset and a chance to try something new, even though i chose tanks every time
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1003	Posted - 2013.08.27 03:03:00 - [13] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: My saving grace here is that i am in fact a vet and i have enough SP to spill over into other things. I would be more upset if i didnt have that sp. Then again, I have been dealing with this **** for over a year and its about time i get some kind of a break Saw you had 999 likes. You're welcome. you are a gentleman and a scholar
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1003	Posted - 2013.08.27 03:06:00 - [14] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: I don't think the standard respec counter-arguments apply here folks. This isn't like changing the bonus on a suit, or the stats of a weapon. Skill reworks usually involve a reimbursement of the skills changed. OP appears to be sincerely curious, rather than trying to squeeze a respec out of CCP. I could be wrong of course. Yeahh they fired CCP Blam! because he upset the balance between AV and vehicals and now their redoing the entire procedure from square one. They said "redoing everything from the ground up" so its... almost everything about vehicles and how to kill them. Pretty different than a single skill or a single gun, its everything. So we should be given some respecs right? Theres no telling what will be effective and what wont be after 1.5. Without the respecs youl be placed in ethire boat randomly. Not a very good way to go about changing an entire portion of the game If the same skills still offer access to the same gear, and all that is changed is their passives as well as general vehicle functionality, then I'd say no respec. But from the sounds of the upcoming changes, they may work with an entirely new set of skills. Hopefully ones that more accurately mirror dropsuit skills. Then they may have no choice but to refund the relevant sp, since the alternative would be for CCP to choose which of the new skills closest represent your previous setup, and spend your points for you. Yeahh theyve been saying its going to be drastic changes in all directions for vehicals and AV so it should have a significant impact to vehicals as we know it. Their hinting at an entirely new experience, something enjoyable, and we would like the opportunity to enjoy the changes and make use of them in this case it is entirely appropriate for a respec. It's CCP's game and they can do whatever they want, so i am not going to say players have a right to be upset, but it is something that if it wasn't done, it would do more harm to CCP's playerbase than good considering they are operating without considering their players. Simple as that.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1003	Posted - 2013.08.27 03:07:00 - [15] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Also, to be a little selfish, Im a dust vet, one of the first. I never had a respec. I had to learn how the game worked and learn what things to use and how to use them through hard work, grinds, and skill RESETS. Now all these easy moders demand a respec simply because their gun does 10 less points of damage or the splash is a little tighter.... get gud No offence m8, but you can't be one of the first if you never got a respec. I commend your attitude to the game though. simply referring to the lack of respecs throughout the many builds over the past year of Dust, where each build brought with it a reset and a chance to try something new, even though i chose tanks every time The release of Uprising brought a mandatory respec with it. Surely you noticed? You would have been affected by the incorrectly labelled vehicle engineering skill. There was an optional one after that too. You're certainly a vet if you've been here since closed beta. Yes I got the respec and still chose tanks. and yes, i have the engineering skill at 5. I've been here a while, much to my dismay at times.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1003	Posted - 2013.08.27 03:09:00 - [16] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: i like the idea of it and it would be best for the game in general, to have some more variety in dust but F*** you guys for not sticking through this dark age!!! I spit at the weak-hearted. You have been voted off the island, have fun with your cal-logis while ex and i roll around in our shiny new proto tanks in 1.5
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1003	Posted - 2013.08.27 03:11:00 - [17] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: i am not used to someone reasonable and seeing both sides. At all. why cant more ppl be like yeww <3 im not 12 years old
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1003	Posted - 2013.08.27 03:12:00 - [18] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Lol I doubt they will be making substantial changes... just tweaking some numbers and seeing what happens. Vehicle changes will probably take 3-4 iterations over the next year. We all know CCP's live-test server development style. you make me feel like i just stepped in dog ****
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1005	Posted - 2013.08.27 03:49:00 - [19] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Were getting the entire table switched with everything "being built from the ground up" So will all our vehical and AV skills be refunded back to us? if its all being completly redone in most aspects id imagine those players who have SP invested into them would be allowed to reallocate them, because some tank weapons, hulls, and mods, and infantry AV means that are effective now may not be effective after the patch No and we didnt even received 1.4 yet. So stop talking about something that we porbs get in december. k, well we are just about to get the infantry patch, so no talking about anything infantry until march of next year when the next infantry stuff comes out.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1009	Posted - 2013.08.27 05:01:00 - [20] - Quote respec for me, you can have a cookie

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1015	Posted - 2013.08.27 08:47:00 - [21] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again. I dont think you understand, say i put 1.5mil sp into powergrid upgrades for my suit (+25% PG on all suits) if that skill were then to become (-25% cpu cost of PG upgrade) lol vehicle skills) then i did not put skill points into that skill, they took my skill and put it into another, you should then get skill points back ONLY in the case of the changing a skill not the % -/+ should you get back SP ie HMG/Scrambler riffle skills i think i understand perfectly well. we got screwed. i still dont think we should get a respec as of right now. after 1.5 we shall see.