DUST Search - 1.5 AV and vechical respecs?

Lurchasaurus wrote:

Exmaple Core wrote:

Lurchasaurus wrote:

Exmaple Core wrote:

Lurchasaurus wrote:

unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again.

But... its not our decision for our AV and vehicals to be changed? How can it be "our decisions" when we speced into something almost 6 months ago and now CCP is changing it? Were not changing the SP we spent, CCP is. Is that our decision?

we are in an infant phase of dust, where we are lacking basic content in the game e.g. still dont have basic racial variants etc.

think of EVE that has been around for a while. the playerbase is so settled and there has been so much in fluctuations of stats that respecs are pointless and the plaers simply deal with it.

this could actually be a case then FOR respecs in Dust, but as I also said, I support having to take one in the jaw and just play with what you have. I play tanks because i enjoy them, not because i think X will beat Y. I believe CCP develops their game this way and this is part of what attracts me to Dust. I am a tanker, not a FOTM user.

okay what if the 1.5 patch changes tanks so you dont like tanks? should you be respeced? if you dont enjoy the game anymore? You jus said it yourself, you playem cuz you enjoy them. No telling if youl enjoy the tanks after the balance, or if anyone will. what if you dont?

you mean like in every patch since E3?

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Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 971	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:29:00 - [1] - Quote Were getting the entire table switched with everything "being built from the ground up" So will all our vehical and AV skills be refunded back to us? if its all being completly redone in most aspects id imagine those players who have SP invested into them would be allowed to reallocate them, because some tank weapons, hulls, and mods, and infantry AV means that are effective now may not be effective after the patch
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5919	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:32:00 - [2] - Quote Your decisions matter, how dare you ask to destroy the delicate economic balance of DUST with your frivolous, selfish, satanic ways. BLASPHEMER!!!
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 971	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:34:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Your decisions matter, how dare you ask to destroy the delicate economic balance of DUST with your frivolous, selfish, satanic ways. BLASPHEMER!!! but high priest DustFanboi CCP is making decisions for me by changing our spec!
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 226	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:35:00 - [4] - Quote anytime CCP decides to make some Skill changes those SP should be restored in unused SP pool otherwise many will get fukt if by 7 years to fully get all skills you mean **** like this ,its not funny
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 996	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:35:00 - [5] - Quote unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 243	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:36:00 - [6] - Quote How bout respecs for everybody :[)
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 971	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:38:00 - [7] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again. But... its not our decision for our AV and vehicals to be changed? How can it be "our decisions" when we speced into something almost 6 months ago and now CCP is changing it? Were not changing the SP we spent, CCP is. Is that our decision?
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 175	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:41:00 - [8] - Quote No. CCP wants you to live with the consequences of their actions. Respecs would undermine that.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1254	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:41:00 - [9] - Quote I don't think the standard respec counter-arguments apply here folks. This isn't like changing the bonus on a suit, or the stats of a weapon. Skill reworks usually involve a reimbursement of the skills changed. OP appears to be sincerely curious, rather than trying to squeeze a respec out of CCP. I could be wrong of course.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 29	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:46:00 - [10] - Quote if u invested ur SP u should live with it =D

Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 972	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:47:00 - [11] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: I don't think the standard respec counter-arguments apply here folks. This isn't like changing the bonus on a suit, or the stats of a weapon. Skill reworks usually involve a reimbursement of the skills changed. OP appears to be sincerely curious, rather than trying to squeeze a respec out of CCP. I could be wrong of course. Yeahh they fired CCP Blam! because he upset the balance between AV and vehicals and now their redoing the entire procedure from square one. They said "redoing everything from the ground up" so its... almost everything about vehicles and how to kill them. Pretty different than a single skill or a single gun, its everything. So we should be given some respecs right? Theres no telling what will be effective and what wont be after 1.5. Without the respecs youl be placed in ethire boat randomly. Not a very good way to go about changing an entire portion of the game
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 972	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:52:00 - [12] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: if u invested ur SP u should live with it =D Our SP is invested into current vehicles and AV. after 1.5, those investments will be completely changed. Not one or two skills, some skills will be lost, others created and certainly a large amount of the operation and profficentcy skills will have different effects than they do now. As of now, we have no idea whats in store for us. How can we "invest SP" into skills that arnt even there yet, or will soon be missing? Or into the current skills we have that will certainly be changed? its... impossible. Need respecs to re access how were going to change the game, its bigger than a weapon or a couple skills youknow. its everything
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 451	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:55:00 - [13] - Quote Every time there's a change to the game at all, we should all demand respecs! Its the only way to ensure that we all use all of the same gear at all times.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5922	Posted - 2013.08.27 01:59:00 - [14] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Its the only way to ensure that we all use all of the same gear at all times. It would actually go a VERY long way towards finding balance, since it would quickly highlight issues, and no one would be left out in the cold if something was drastically changed. It would also let people try out things that were a bit more fringe, instead of being strong armed into picking the same lame run of the mill build that's descent and might not get nerfed.
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 972	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:03:00 - [15] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Every time there's a change to the game at all, we should all demand respecs! Its the only way to ensure that we all use all of the same gear at all times. You can not argue the normal anti respec methods this time, this is only AV and vehicles. In fact, a respec here will turn vehicles and AV alike into a more versatile experience. Right now everyone in AV uses ethire the swarm launcher or forge, when they rebalance everything ppl will use plasma cannons cuz they may be well, usable. For vehicals, armor is the best tanks and shields are the best lavs. The respec will allow ppl to spec out of armor tanks and shield lavs and into the oppisite instead of trying to grind out 4 months of Sp
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 996	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:04:00 - [16] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again. But... its not our decision for our AV and vehicals to be changed? How can it be "our decisions" when we speced into something almost 6 months ago and now CCP is changing it? Were not changing the SP we spent, CCP is. Is that our decision? we are in an infant phase of dust, where we are lacking basic content in the game e.g. still dont have basic racial variants etc. think of EVE that has been around for a while. the playerbase is so settled and there has been so much in fluctuations of stats that respecs are pointless and the plaers simply deal with it. this could actually be a case then FOR respecs in Dust, but as I also said, I support having to take one in the jaw and just play with what you have. I play tanks because i enjoy them, not because i think X will beat Y. I believe CCP develops their game this way and this is part of what attracts me to Dust. I am a tanker, not a FOTM user.
Viktor Vikrizi The Corporate Raiders 32	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:06:00 - [17] - Quote Since everyone is so anti respec. No respec when racial suits come out
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 996	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:09:00 - [18] - Quote The only thing that would make me desire a respec is if there are changes to skills so extreme that they are clearly no longer what we specced into in the first place. If missiles are useless in 1.5, we still specced into missiles and we dont get a respec. If missiles are completely gone and replaced with guns that shoot duck farts and you need a gunner for the main gun and tanks no longer use armor plates, well then ya, thats a respec
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 996	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:10:00 - [19] - Quote Viktor Vikrizi wrote: Since everyone is so anti respec. No respec when racial suits come out absolutely. minny tanks come out everyone starts from square one. You didnt spec into just tanks, you specced into a CALDARI tank or a GALLENTE tank. deal with it. you knew ahead of time there were variants.
Funky Chunky FunkyStars 17	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:12:00 - [20] - Quote The thing is that when I first started playing I thought I was only spending isk, I didn't understand until later. At first I wanted a respec really bad because I realized sp was hard to come by, but now I live with. I don't wanna see a respec come ever now.

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 997	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:15:00 - [21] - Quote Also, to be a little selfish, Im a dust vet, one of the first. I never had a respec. I had to learn how the game worked and learn what things to use and how to use them through hard work, grinds, and skill RESETS. Now all these easy moders demand a respec simply because their gun does 10 less points of damage or the splash is a little tighter.... get gud
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 974	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:18:00 - [22] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again. But... its not our decision for our AV and vehicals to be changed? How can it be "our decisions" when we speced into something almost 6 months ago and now CCP is changing it? Were not changing the SP we spent, CCP is. Is that our decision? we are in an infant phase of dust, where we are lacking basic content in the game e.g. still dont have basic racial variants etc. think of EVE that has been around for a while. the playerbase is so settled and there has been so much in fluctuations of stats that respecs are pointless and the plaers simply deal with it. this could actually be a case then FOR respecs in Dust, but as I also said, I support having to take one in the jaw and just play with what you have. I play tanks because i enjoy them, not because i think X will beat Y. I believe CCP develops their game this way and this is part of what attracts me to Dust. I am a tanker, not a FOTM user. okay what if the 1.5 patch changes tanks so you dont like tanks? should you be respeced? if you dont enjoy the game anymore? You jus said it yourself, you playem cuz you enjoy them. No telling if youl enjoy the tanks after the balance, or if anyone will. what if you dont?
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 997	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:20:00 - [23] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again. But... its not our decision for our AV and vehicals to be changed? How can it be "our decisions" when we speced into something almost 6 months ago and now CCP is changing it? Were not changing the SP we spent, CCP is. Is that our decision? we are in an infant phase of dust, where we are lacking basic content in the game e.g. still dont have basic racial variants etc. think of EVE that has been around for a while. the playerbase is so settled and there has been so much in fluctuations of stats that respecs are pointless and the plaers simply deal with it. this could actually be a case then FOR respecs in Dust, but as I also said, I support having to take one in the jaw and just play with what you have. I play tanks because i enjoy them, not because i think X will beat Y. I believe CCP develops their game this way and this is part of what attracts me to Dust. I am a tanker, not a FOTM user. okay what if the 1.5 patch changes tanks so you dont like tanks? should you be respeced? if you dont enjoy the game anymore? You jus said it yourself, you playem cuz you enjoy them. No telling if youl enjoy the tanks after the balance, or if anyone will. what if you dont? you mean like in every patch since E3?
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 974	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:20:00 - [24] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Also, to be a little selfish, Im a dust vet, one of the first. I never had a respec. I had to learn how the game worked and learn what things to use and how to use them through hard work, grinds, and skill RESETS. Now all these easy moders demand a respec simply because their gun does 10 less points of damage or the splash is a little tighter.... get gud nooo its not just a gun doing 10 less damage, its every single aspect relating to vehicals and AV. Every bit of it, thats waaay more than just minor. massive overhual that changes a large portion of the game
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 974	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:22:00 - [25] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: unfortunately for you my fellow driver, I am completely against all kinds of respecs, whether we even have tanks tomorrow or not. decisions have consequences and respecs only extend imbalances for a couple more months until people can spread sp out again. But... its not our decision for our AV and vehicals to be changed? How can it be "our decisions" when we speced into something almost 6 months ago and now CCP is changing it? Were not changing the SP we spent, CCP is. Is that our decision? we are in an infant phase of dust, where we are lacking basic content in the game e.g. still dont have basic racial variants etc. think of EVE that has been around for a while. the playerbase is so settled and there has been so much in fluctuations of stats that respecs are pointless and the plaers simply deal with it. this could actually be a case then FOR respecs in Dust, but as I also said, I support having to take one in the jaw and just play with what you have. I play tanks because i enjoy them, not because i think X will beat Y. I believe CCP develops their game this way and this is part of what attracts me to Dust. I am a tanker, not a FOTM user. okay what if the 1.5 patch changes tanks so you dont like tanks? should you be respeced? if you dont enjoy the game anymore? You jus said it yourself, you playem cuz you enjoy them. No telling if youl enjoy the tanks after the balance, or if anyone will. what if you dont? you mean like in every patch since E3? thats an exageration and youknowit. You still enjoy dust, your still here sence E3. I mean if its changed to the point were you ligitimentally dont enjoy dust anymore and your screwed because your millions of SP are forever spent and you dont have them back. What do you do then, just stop playing?
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 974	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:23:00 - [26] - Quote Viktor Vikrizi wrote: Since everyone is so anti respec. No respec when racial suits come out this is bigger than new dropsuits. Its changing every aspect a vehical and AVer knows about the game. Everything. abit more important than the release of a single piece of gear
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 974	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:25:00 - [27] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Viktor Vikrizi wrote: Since everyone is so anti respec. No respec when racial suits come out absolutely. minny tanks come out everyone starts from square one. You didnt spec into just tanks, you specced into a CALDARI tank or a GALLENTE tank. deal with it. you knew ahead of time there were variants. but we dident know that some of us will be trash tankers for months because we dident spec into skills that are bad now and will be good a few months from now? Thats not our decsion. You cant pin that on us
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 997	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:26:00 - [28] - Quote exmaple, your shooting yourself in the foot. you keep saying what if they suck? respec! BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING.......for an entire year bud lol ive had to deal with this ** without ever hoping for a respec, and now people start bitching cause their stuff sucks? now its their turn. you should feel the same way. lastly, to round out my answer.....if tanks are even more useless in 1.5.......ill handle that when we get there. isn't it tiring expecting **? i personally find it easier to simply believe in ccp (what an unpopular thig these days) since i know how they operate via EVE and know they operate on a plan that extends beyond next year, which is something 99% of the playerbase here cant wrap their heads around, cause we have never had a game like this on console. This is why many EVE players seem like fanbois, cause they have had experience with more than just EA and Activision.
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 974	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:27:00 - [29] - Quote Funky Chunky wrote: The thing is that when I first started playing I thought I was only spending isk, I didn't understand until later. At first I wanted a respec really bad because I realized sp was hard to come by, but now I live with. I don't wanna see a respec come ever now. that is very narrow sighted. What if everything your speced into gets "rebuilt from the ground up" and everything you do gets you killed. Would you want a respec?
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 997	Posted - 2013.08.27 02:28:00 - [30] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: thats an exageration and youknowit. You still enjoy dust, your still here sence E3. I mean if its changed to the point were you ligitimentally dont enjoy dust anymore and your screwed because your millions of SP are forever spent and you dont have them back. What do you do then, just stop playing? Because i SINCERELY enjoy STB and log on with a smile knowing i can steamroll with the team. Also, I am simply better than other players and it doesnt matter how bad tanks are, i still win with them. this has been proven to myself over and over again since E3, so yeah. I guess i have laerned how to mix confidence with stubbornness.



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