Preach the word former comrade! This is an issue that needs fixing. I wish our community wasn't so hellbent on using every cheap ass thing that they can find, but it is what it is all we can do is hope vids like this help change things. Thanks for posting this up coin

CCP I hope you can give the community some feedback on when you plan on fixing this problem. This cheat is going on in PC and tournament battles and is resulting in a win for the team that is using this cheat. I put this vid together for you so you can see for yourself the cheat in action. It is a one shot kill, and towards the end of the vid you can see where it is used to kill 3 guys in a row. Please fix this as soon as you can CCP, thanks Coin

http://youtu.be/J6H52yHy1Dk

Well glad I finally retired with the rest the corp that **** was gay as ****

Preach the word former comrade! This is an issue that needs fixing. I wish our community wasn't so hellbent on using every cheap ass thing that they can find, but it is what it is all we can do is hope vids like this help change things. Thanks for posting this up coin

Exactly what the dude above me just said. If nova knives hit detection wasnt so bad, the same stuff would happen.

CCP should also make karate a thing.

Exactly what the dude above me just said. If nova knives hit detection wasnt so bad, the same stuff would happen.

CCP should also make karate a thing.

Oh look a EON guy is complaining that he gets his bum beaten. Who woulda had thought?

If shotgun hit detection wasn't **** you probably all would be getting shot gunned instead of punched in the face.

CCP doesn't need the video as evidence. Everyone already knows this glitch exists and CCP is working on it. It might get fixed on 3 Sept when the 1.4 patch comes out. But don't hold your breath.

CCP doesn't need the video as evidence. Everyone already knows this glitch exists and CCP is working on it. It might get fixed on 3 Sept when the 1.4 patch comes out. But don't hold your breath.

The devs have already said that the fix for this will be in 1.5.

Which will be too late.

The damn fix for the glitch was already too late even if we got the fix now.

IF poop had bones it would walk.

Please, don't use 'ifs' and 'buts' in this case. The user is clearly exploiting a glitch in the game's mechanic.

I know the glitch exists. I am aware that stacking melee mods will allow you to two shot anyone.

Just stating the fact that at the end of the day, that scout got within it's prime killing space. Shotgunning would provide the exact same results you are seeing here. I'd like for you guys to keep that in mind as you're crying about this. I would like to see glitches and bugs polished off but to me, you guys were dead anyway.

Well it took me awhile to figure out what exactly is happening here, thanks a lot op for not describing reproduction steps :< either way forwarded.

lolwut you never heard of this? Wow... someone told me about this couple months ago lol. Atleast CCP and CPM on top of their game.

Got to say though CCP really needs to come out and address this. People have been sending in tickets and getting BS replies. Sooner or later you will just see people on each team running around doing this then into pubs. Should be fun.

Well it took me awhile to figure out what exactly is happening here, thanks a lot op for not describing reproduction steps :< either way forwarded.

CCP I hope you can give the community some feedback on when you plan on fixing this problem. This cheat is going on in PC and tournament battles and is resulting in a win for the team that is using this cheat. I put this vid together for you so you can see for yourself the cheat in action. It is a one shot kill, and towards the end of the vid you can see where it is used to kill 3 guys in a row. Please fix this as soon as you can CCP, thanks Coin

http://youtu.be/J6H52yHy1Dk

I heard of it, never seen it performed on me and I know how to do it myself. Just the video was poor enough I couldn't tell what was going on.

Can someone explain to me what's going on? I don't mean how to do the glitch, but rather what exactly is happening that makes this a glitch? Is it a basic melee attack that is somehow resulting in one-hit kills?

I'm not much of a fighter at close range but I am trying to experiment a bit more...what should I be looking out for when/if someone tries this?

Can someone explain to me what's going on? I don't mean how to do the glitch, but rather what exactly is happening that makes this a glitch? Is it a basic melee attack that is somehow resulting in one-hit kills?

I'm not much of a fighter at close range but I am trying to experiment a bit more...what should I be looking out for when/if someone tries this?

Can someone explain to me what's going on? I don't mean how to do the glitch, but rather what exactly is happening that makes this a glitch? Is it a basic melee attack that is somehow resulting in one-hit kills?

I'm not much of a fighter at close range but I am trying to experiment a bit more...what should I be looking out for when/if someone tries this?

I know the glitch exists. I am aware that stacking melee mods will allow you to two shot anyone.

Just stating the fact that at the end of the day, that scout got within it's prime killing space. Shotgunning would provide the exact same results you are seeing here. I'd like for you guys to keep that in mind as you're crying about this. I would like to see glitches and bugs polished off but to me, you guys were dead anyway.

This is silly logic. With the melee glitch you actually aim and rapid fire melee will turn your body towards you opponent. You have no reload time, and because you need no weapon you don't have to sacrifice cpu p/g so you can run all complex kin kats/shield extenders/ damage mods/stamina mods. You're clip is astronomically high with the melee glitch. The shotty with hit detection or knives you have to get close and aim..and then wait for a short period of time before attacking again (whether that's half a sec between shotgun blasts or half a sec before nova slashes) where this glitch can go on like the energizer bunny.

so we have had 2 major exploit bugs so far... the Mike Tyson one hitter quitter and the invisible mercs..... neither glitch was truly brought into the open as a problem officially from CCP... so expect a quiet but very deserving fix to this issue

OK I know this is going to sound like I am a D*** but whatever. Its not cheating its a glitch and the person is exploiting it. Yes its a bit unfair but look what everyone did with the flay lock. How many are guilty of that one or how about the TAC AR? The person is using a legal exploit, yes legal. why you ask, simple CCP apparently does not test there goods before they release them. If they did this would not be happening like all the other FIM. So please do not blame the player blame CCP. Hate the game not the player.

OK I know this is going to sound like I am a D*** but whatever. Its not cheating its a glitch and the person is exploiting it. Yes its a bit unfair but look what everyone did with the flay lock. How many are guilty of that one or how about the TAC AR? The person is using a legal exploit, yes legal. why you ask, simple CCP apparently does not test there goods before they release them. If they did this would not be happening like all the other FIM. So please do not blame the player blame CCP. Hate the game not the player.

this glitch isn't that big of a deal really. I mean, he puts himself in so much danger just to kill one guy. The matches I've played against him, the exploit did not help him out as much as everyone says it does. His KD always remained relatively even during the match.

using a little teamwork, and calling out his location can go a long way. Don't let him get close.

Looking at it now and what kinds of fix may be possible. Will let you know when I know :-)

Easy Solution:

Take the stamina drain logarithm on jumping, and add it to the melee system.

ReGnUM Wins

Looking at it now and what kinds of fix may be possible. Will let you know when I know :-)

Looking at it now and what kinds of fix may be possible. Will let you know when I know :-)

I wonder when going 17,11,1 with dual militia scrambler pistol blueprints is conaidered a cheat.

I wonder when going 17,11,1 with dual militia scrambler pistol blueprints is conaidered a cheat.

Looking at it now and what kinds of fix may be possible. Will let you know when I know :-)

Care to explain where in this video this is used in the tourny? All the names are not relevant to the tourny plus the maps in the video are not used in the tournament either. Good try though.

Care to explain where in this video this is used in the tourny? All the names are not relevant to the tourny plus the maps in the video are not used in the tournament either. Good try though.

Looking at it now and what kinds of fix may be possible. Will let you know when I know :-)

lol

Plausible deniability.

Care to explain where in this video this is used in the tourny? All the names are not relevant to the tourny plus the maps in the video are not used in the tournament either. Good try though.

He makes a fair point though. Any comments OH? I heard the tournament has been on all new maps and this is obviously on an old one.

Still doesn't change the fact i've seen SyN say you guys used melee glitch in there tournament match

I got killed by the melee glitch 3 times during a single pc battle today. Everyone on my squad got hit by it. And guess who was on the other team? Ancient Exiles....

It doesnt matter if its 6 vs 1 melee glitcher. melee glitcher will suicide just to take out an entire squad, 3 second proto uplink spawn and repeat. Why carry a good gun? use that extra cpu and pg for more stamina and kin cats! This is how you guys play your pc battles right?

Am I the only won that doesnt play dust on pc?

Am I the only won that doesnt play dust on pc?

insecure in their own ability and skill
this is how dust has been for months and why its a joke for competitive play

I do find it kinda funny - melee has been like this for at least 8 months if not longer - apparently it only becomes a problem when you're getting your ass handed to you. QQ at its finest!!!

This is honestly true - mainly because people haven't exploited it in the competitive side known as PC. But now that one of the best known corps is doing it to stay relevant it's become a problem.

That may seem odd to some - but it's understandable. Dust sucks enough as it is - why ruin the only good side about dust - the competitive play?

I'd like to think we'd be at least a little relevant even if ari didn't do it. Guess we wouldn't be? :( damn

I'd like to think we'd be at least a little relevant even if ari didn't do it. Guess we wouldn't be? :( damn

We all know AE abuses the f*** out of any crutch they can get( i'm SO suprised if they even kill me with an AR,it rarely happens).
Most notably however is Arirana, abusing the melee glitch all day everyday, relying solely on it, every match he plays, pubs,pc, & tourney.
Now using a cheap tactic is one thing however using a glitch is another.
The problems?
The glitch instantly kills.
The glitch is always performable.
Arirana happens to abuse the glitch 24/7, even in competitive play, E.g. tourneys & PC.
The glitch isn't just a crutch, its a gamebreaker because it allows insta-kills anytime they get near you, add in the fact melee mods are high slotted, and you can equip plenty of them whilst stacking kin cats & regulators, with a caldari suit you can still have a decent amount of shield.
So whats does that create? A 400+ shield super fast insta killer, who can still equip a hacking mod or 2.
THATS why its a problem.
I've never asked for a ban on anyone, even invisible abusers. But considering Arirana abuses the glitch 24/7, using it ONLY as his way of playing, and does it even in PC/tourney, then ya that warrants a ban.

Also, CCP should've been watching tourney matches, to have glitch abusers go unattended to by CCP in a tourney shows how much of a joke CCP really is.

Looks like Jungian should be CCP's first victim.

Looking at it now and what kinds of fix may be possible. Will let you know when I know :-)

The attention CCP pays around here astounds me at times. Its only after a ton of whining they are gonna look into it. The video I posted almost a month ago should have gotten someone in CCP to question a few things. And if nobody in CCP watched it back then, I would recommend for the future that you hire someone cheap who can just watch my stream whenever I play so some realtime bug reporting could be done efficiently. I dont have time to report all the bugs in DUST, nuff said. (cause I play it all the time)

You know what I think is weird about this? The amount of people who have complained here, and not one of you have filled a ticket about this. Or have you? And you did get an answer? Or you just didn't like it?








Weird...

Carried? Hmm. I like to think that killing over 50 droplinks in one game would help my team in some small way. But you're right, one player doing all the killing in a 5 objective game is getting carried. I should just save my isk like you do and not play.

I should just save my isk like you do and not play.

Care to explain where in this video this is used in the tourny? All the names are not relevant to the tourny plus the maps in the video are not used in the tournament either. Good try though.

You know what I think is weird about this? The amount of people who have complained here, and not one of you have filled a ticket about this. Or have you? And you did get an answer? Or you just didn't like it?








Weird...

Don't feel left out - only the best get to play PC - so it's like the 1% of dust.

Wouldn't that be someone like Mintchip?

Looks like Jungian should be CCP's first victim.

Covering ass after his team has been exposed and it gets a DEV comment. Good work, Kujo. Your timing is impeccable.

I didn't share that to have anyone banned, I shared it to help the devs find a fix.

So fixing this turns out to be trickier that expected, at least in the sense of delivering a fix to the live build. It's more than just tweaking a number here and there. We are looking at some other options so I'll let you know what comes of it.

Banishment of those abusing it would be a decent start, considering its the only reason we've been losing districts.

So fixing this turns out to be trickier that expected, at least in the sense of delivering a fix to the live build. It's more than just tweaking a number here and there. We are looking at some other options so I'll let you know what comes of it.

Why don't you just come out and say it:

"To all those abused by people using this glitch - sorry but you're ****** and we refuse to punish those who cheat in competitive matches or tournaments."

We were already expecting to be screwed for another month. Now we can expect that to be an even longer time.

Why don't you just come out and say it:

"To all those abused by people using this glitch - sorry but you're ****** and we refuse to punish those who cheat in competitive matches or tournaments."

We were already expecting to be screwed for another month. Now we can expect that to be an even longer time.

sorry pooper no glitch here, CCP will look into it, all your hate filled cheater claims come down to this. Sorry big EON Whiner

sorry pooper no glitch here, CCP will look into it, all your hate filled cheater claims come down to this. Sorry big EON Whiner

[BUG] Melee Glitch - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180359#post1180359
Status: Known issue. Fix planned for 1.5

No.

For those of you who haven't been through the multiple rodeos of competitive FPS would know about action cancelling methods already existing in many other games along with a crap ton of other little stupid nuisances that when abused gives a finite edge over anyone who is trying to play 'normally'

Normally action cancelling is supposed to help shave mere seconds off from the previous action usually by meleeing or sprinting or even jumping in some cases or weapon swapping. Faster reloads? Faster charge? after ADS? are amongst the advantages gained from action cancelling.

For those of you who haven't been through the multiple rodeos of competitive FPS would know about action cancelling methods already existing in many other games along with a crap ton of other little stupid nuisances that when abused gives a finite edge over anyone who is trying to play 'normally'

Normally action cancelling is supposed to help shave mere seconds off from the previous action usually by meleeing or sprinting or even jumping in some cases or weapon swapping. Faster reloads? Faster charge? after ADS? are amongst the advantages gained from action cancelling.

Action canceling in other FPS games do not have the extreme effect that it has in Dust, because other FPS do not have the high health and fast movement standard which Dust's melee glitch negates in its entirety.

There is literally no way to beat this glitch head on. I've watched Arirana run through seven people in a row instantly and effortlessly, and it sure as hell isn't skill. The only way to stop him is to kill your own team mates in the process. And even then, it almost always backfires.

For those of you who haven't been through the multiple rodeos of competitive FPS would know about action cancelling methods already existing in many other games along with a crap ton of other little stupid nuisances that when abused gives a finite edge over anyone who is trying to play 'normally'

Normally action cancelling is supposed to help shave mere seconds off from the previous action usually by meleeing or sprinting or even jumping in some cases or weapon swapping. Faster reloads? Faster charge? after ADS? are amongst the advantages gained from action cancelling.

Timing is not what it seems. Especially if you check here, it's already a known 'issue.' But for someone to have a title of a compilation of them getting their a** handed to them on a golden platter and claiming it's from the tournament are two irrelevant subjects especially since we haven't played 0uter.Heaven yet in the tournament also. So again, I applaud you for your try.

So fixing this turns out to be trickier that expected, at least in the sense of delivering a fix to the live build. It's more than just tweaking a number here and there. We are looking at some other options so I'll let you know what comes of it.

I don't think removing melee from the game until a solution is found is unreasonable.

LOLWAT

LOLWAT

So fixing this turns out to be trickier that expected, at least in the sense of delivering a fix to the live build. It's more than just tweaking a number here and there. We are looking at some other options so I'll let you know what comes of it.

This is actually kind of kick ass, imo...

I mean, it certainly makes Myrofibral Stimulants look a hell of a lot more appealing. I don't think it should be fixed so much as balanced and limited to where it's a massive stamina drain, would make for some really amazing CQC.

Maybe not so much a one-hit-kill mechanic but definitely should be a valid option, of which Melee currently isn't.

nova kvives hit 3x for 500 damage in 0.5 seconds?

with 600ehp?

at a 9.3 sprint?

Looking at it now and what kinds of fix may be possible. Will let you know when I know :-)

So fixing this turns out to be trickier that expected, at least in the sense of delivering a fix to the live build. It's more than just tweaking a number here and there. We are looking at some other options so I'll let you know what comes of it.

Banishment of those abusing it would be a decent star...

No, they (assuming proto) hit 2x for a total of 800 in 0.5 seconds, not counting their 120% effectiveness against both shield and armor, or any proficiency levels (which pushes it well over 1k).

That EHP and sprint speed is just still the Cal Logi having too many slots. 5/4 is ridiculous and lets you turn it, as you said, into a 600 EHP (with 500 of that in shields) / 9.3 sprint monstrosity. Slots = power. Slot counts need to be normalized or the Cal Logi will continue to be the best frame in the game.

I'd like to think we'd be at least a little relevant even if ari didn't do it. Guess we wouldn't be? :( damn

Any update on this?

So fixing this turns out to be trickier that expected, at least in the sense of delivering a fix to the live build. It's more than just tweaking a number here and there. We are looking at some other options so I'll let you know what comes of it.

ReGnYum always wins :(. Perhaps they could nerf regnyum while there at it. That would help pc out alot :O

he doesnt always win. he just hides behind his proto gear crutch. ive killed him with militia crap fits befores. hes average skill multiplied by top gear. be sure to finish him off after you down him so he loses his suit :)

Exactly what the dude above me just said. If nova knives hit detection wasnt so bad, the same stuff would happen.

CCP should also make karate a thing.

he doesnt always win. he just hides behind his proto gear crutch. ive killed him with militia crap fits befores. hes average skill multiplied by top gear. be sure to finish him off after you down him so he loses his suit :)

disable meele for the time being.

CCP I hope you can give the community some feedback on when you plan on fixing this problem. This cheat is going on in PC and tournament battles and is resulting in a win for the team that is using this cheat. I put this vid together for you so you can see for yourself the cheat in action. It is a one shot kill, and towards the end of the vid you can see where it is used to kill 3 guys in a row. Please fix this as soon as you can CCP, thanks Coin

http://youtu.be/J6H52yHy1Dk


You can go to change quality at the bottom right of the volume and change to 720hd for a clearer view.

I don't see why Melee is so powerful anyway, you're more likely to die from a single bullet than being punched in the back of the head. I can understand it in killzone, where you're cutting throats, gouging eyes or stabbing people.

I suppose a quick fix to this would be making powerful Melee attacks a skill like the weapons, etc. A good counter for that would be if someone who initiates Melee against another with the same skill leveled up, maybe have the "victim" tap a button quick enough that could break the attack. Depending on the level difference, that would determine how much time the victim had to break the attack. For example, a melee guy level 5 attacking a guy level 2, obviously the level 2 guy would have a rough time, and probably lose it. But, if the attacker was a level 3 and the victim was level 5, it would swing into the 5's favor. And if the melee was broken successfully, stun the attacker for a moment (losing balance or something similar).

Easy Solution:

Take the stamina drain logarithm on jumping, and add it to the melee system.

ReGnUM Wins

AS SOON AS A MALFUNCTIONING MECHANIC SURROUNDING THE SCRAMBLER PISTOLS ALLOWS ONE TO EXPLOIT WHATEVER MALFUNCTION TO GAIN MARKEDLY INCREASED PERFORMANCE FROM A SCRAMBLER PISTOL!

Holy ******* **** I swear some people on this forum are so dumb they should simply be exterminated, at the very least neutered to prevent breeding!

Looking at it now and what kinds of fix may be possible. Will let you know when I know :-)

It's not just the tournament battles. Your team couldn't play without Ari exploiting in almost every PC match us and several others have had against you. I emplored Ari to stop exploiting and play a fair match and he said he couldn't afford to "hold back" (read: not cheat). As a team leader, it's your responsibility when your players are clearly cheating to make the right decision, and yet you do nothing but try to cover his ass because you're worried about getting DQd.

You wouldn't need to come forum warrior here if you were actually a decent leader and asked Ari to stop exploiting. With TeamPlayers, they were all up for a game with no flaylocks, no contact nades, etc. because they actually have a respectable team that doesn't need to resort to cheap tactics/exploits to pull off wins. You on the other hand seem to be trying every half-assed excuse to cover for Ari when you could have just asked him to stop and play fair. Now it's too late and everyone is an uproar about it and you, my friend, share just as much responsibility as Ari does.