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Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
2008
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:18:00 -
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...the Proficiency bonus?
+3% RoF per level seems terrible to me.
Maybe if you're a Breach Shottie fanatic its useful, but I haven't seen any of them after the hit detection and aiming problems started. |
JETSTORM1090
Against All Oddz
157
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:22:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:...the Proficiency bonus?
+3% RoF per level seems terrible to me.
Maybe if you're a Breach Shottie fanatic its useful, but I haven't seen any of them after the hit detection and aiming problems started.
I only shotgun occasionally, the bonus sounds decent to me, but having said that, I would need to test it first. I think maybe more range per proficiency might be the best. |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
2008
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:24:00 -
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JETSTORM1090 wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:...the Proficiency bonus?
+3% RoF per level seems terrible to me.
Maybe if you're a Breach Shottie fanatic its useful, but I haven't seen any of them after the hit detection and aiming problems started. I only shotgun occasionally, the bonus sounds decent to me, but having said that, I would need to test it first. I think maybe more range per proficiency might be the best.
I think they have it right by not giving it "+3% Damage per level" like every other weapon, because the Shotgun pretty much kills in one - two shots anyway.
Maybe if they increased it from '+3%' to '+5%' it'd be worth it. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
40
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:27:00 -
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Shotgun scout here. It is exactly what I want, and fairly balanced as well. In situations where there are more than one merc, the faster I shoot, the longer I live.
Just fix hit detection for it. please |
Rugman91
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
202
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:16:00 -
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Yes the increased fire rate is pretty useful |
Zendeal
Horizons' Edge
Orion Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.08.25 17:34:00 -
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It's pretty minimal. I wish it was either a damage bonus or 5% / level Rof |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
420
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Posted - 2013.08.25 20:54:00 -
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I have mine at 4 an I'd say it's pretty rad, but I still miss a ton of shots anyway but I have noticed I live longer shooting faster, but I wish it had sharpshooter skill for range |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
779
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Posted - 2013.08.25 20:56:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:I have mine at 4 an I'd say it's pretty rad, but I still miss a ton of shots anyway but I have noticed I live longer shooting faster, but I wish it had sharpshooter skill for range
Out of curiosity what is the optimal range for SGs? With the hit detection like it is, I get varying results. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
621
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Posted - 2013.08.25 21:23:00 -
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I would rather have range or wider spread personally... |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
526
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Posted - 2013.08.25 21:25:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:JETSTORM1090 wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:...the Proficiency bonus?
+3% RoF per level seems terrible to me.
Maybe if you're a Breach Shottie fanatic its useful, but I haven't seen any of them after the hit detection and aiming problems started. I only shotgun occasionally, the bonus sounds decent to me, but having said that, I would need to test it first. I think maybe more range per proficiency might be the best. I think they have it right by not giving it "+3% Damage per level" like every other weapon, because the Shotgun pretty much kills in one - two shots anyway. Maybe if they increased it from '+3%' to '+5%' it'd be worth it.
this. Or give it a higher optimal. |
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Valentine Crendre
ZionTCD
67
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Posted - 2013.08.25 21:44:00 -
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The bonus definitely seems marginal to me.
Maybe the RoF bonus would be useful if... Hit detection registered my shotty rounds -_-
It's so unreliable enough to the point that I stopped using my PRO Shotty and started spraying ARs... I have too much pride to go MD lol...
As a side note: I think that when hipfiring the SG, the shot should fly wide. When aiming down, it should have a tight spread... |
Lightning xVx
Diamond-Dogs
148
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Posted - 2013.08.25 22:15:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:...the Proficiency bonus?
+3% RoF per level seems terrible to me.
Maybe if you're a Breach Shottie fanatic its useful, but I haven't seen any of them after the hit detection and aiming problems started.
I didn't see a difference |
Obi Wan-Jacobi
Ancient Exiles
47
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Posted - 2013.08.25 23:34:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:...the Proficiency bonus?
+3% RoF per level seems terrible to me.
Maybe if you're a Breach Shottie fanatic its useful, but I haven't seen any of them after the hit detection and aiming problems started. I didn't see a difference
There's a difference of like 0.5 seconds per level, nothing that too noticeable i tested lvl 3 to lvl 2 w/ DJINN Marauder and i finished about that much faster. Its not worth the SP. If it was changed to bigger clip size, say 1 per level i'd be happy, rather than the way it is. |
kanders
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
32
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Posted - 2013.08.26 00:53:00 -
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I don't mind the RoF bonus, but I do find it odd that the shotgun is literally the only weapon where proficiency doesn't increase damage. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4572
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Posted - 2013.08.26 00:53:00 -
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I think the proficiency and operation skill should be swapped. |
Dengru
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
80
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:08:00 -
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Profiency should increase the range. That would be better than rof or damage.. |
Lightning xVx
Diamond-Dogs
149
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:45:00 -
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Dengru wrote:Profiency should increase the range. That would be better than rof or damage..
While amazingly fun, it's actually a horrible idea. I used to get SOO many kills from far away on it with its range it wasn't even fair, especially when I would slam dunk them from afar. haha IMO Shotgun needs a massive buff on hit detection, very small range buff, Reload speed to work and Prof. V to work. That's pretty much it. |
8213
Grade No.2
190
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:05:00 -
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The shotgun needs to be taken out of this game. It's useless and doesn't belong in this kind of shooter.
The only way it could be saved is: no stacking penalties if you have it on a fit, damage over range increase proficiency, and better hit detection...
Nobody does good with a shotgun, At best it's just a clean up weapon that steals teammate's kills.
its the only SP I regret using. |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
2020
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:07:00 -
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8213 wrote:The shotgun needs to be taken out of this game. It's useless and doesn't belong in this kind of shooter.
The only way it could be saved is: no stacking penalties if you have it on a fit, damage over range increase proficiency, and better hit detection...
Nobody does good with a shotgun, At best it's just a clean up weapon that steals teammate's kills.
its the only SP I regret using.
Its more to do with hit detection and aiming being terrible, than it being useless.
Trust me, when they're both fixed, you'll see a lot more shotgunners. |
Tectonic Fusion
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
162
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:08:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:JETSTORM1090 wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:...the Proficiency bonus?
+3% RoF per level seems terrible to me.
Maybe if you're a Breach Shottie fanatic its useful, but I haven't seen any of them after the hit detection and aiming problems started. I only shotgun occasionally, the bonus sounds decent to me, but having said that, I would need to test it first. I think maybe more range per proficiency might be the best. I think they have it right by not giving it "+3% Damage per level" like every other weapon, because the Shotgun pretty much kills in one - two shots anyway. Maybe if they increased it from '+3%' to '+5%' it'd be worth it.
Yeah, but that only works for a standard suit or a poorly fit advanced. |
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Valentine Crendre
ZionTCD
68
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:22:00 -
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Hipfire should make the cone fly wide and Aiming down sights should make the spread tight.
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8213
Grade No.2
191
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:30:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:8213 wrote:The shotgun needs to be taken out of this game. It's useless and doesn't belong in this kind of shooter.
The only way it could be saved is: no stacking penalties if you have it on a fit, damage over range increase proficiency, and better hit detection...
Nobody does good with a shotgun, At best it's just a clean up weapon that steals teammate's kills.
its the only SP I regret using. Its more to do with hit detection and aiming being terrible, than it being useless. Trust me, when they're both fixed, you'll see a lot more shotgunners.
They worked awesome in the Betas. But since they took off the Sharpshooter proficiency, where it added lethality and range, they become obsolete.
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:48:00 -
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When fighting the controls to straft and actually get a hit off the prof is a afterthought really. Wish CCP would fix the damn descirptions already(decrease ROF what??) it's been like that since beta LAST YEAR!! |
Athrak Kinz
Valkyrian Armada
1
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:00:00 -
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Shotguns are fine sans hit detection issues. I would survive so much longer if when I had my crosshair on someone point blank the round actually did damage, rather than producing a hit marker and leaving me dead to an enemy with full health. I do however think that Shotgun Op. should widen spread instead of tighten it, either that or give us a sharshooter skill. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
945
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:17:00 -
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the shotgun proficiency should be changed to +3% hit detection efficiency |
Espeon Bons
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
54
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Posted - 2013.08.26 16:50:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:...the Proficiency bonus?
+3% RoF per level seems terrible to me.
Maybe if you're a Breach Shottie fanatic its useful, but I haven't seen any of them after the hit detection and aiming problems started.
Last time I checked it was -3% per level |
maluble
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
24
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Posted - 2013.08.27 00:32:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:...the Proficiency bonus?
+3% RoF per level seems terrible to me.
Maybe if you're a Breach Shottie fanatic its useful, but I haven't seen any of them after the hit detection and aiming problems started.
its ok but i would rather have damage bonus and they should change the operation skill to rate of fire increase and do away with the spread decrease its a shotty u want a wide spread unless were using slugs, seems like not alot of thought was put into this. |
maluble
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
24
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Posted - 2013.08.27 00:33:00 -
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Espeon Bons wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:...the Proficiency bonus?
+3% RoF per level seems terrible to me.
Maybe if you're a Breach Shottie fanatic its useful, but I haven't seen any of them after the hit detection and aiming problems started. Last time I checked it was -3% per level
now does that even make sense too you? Why would decreasing the ROF be beneficial? Use your brain its a typo. |
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