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Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.08.24 21:50:00 -
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Don't be hating.
Seriously why? what is the reason? personally i think it's cos you proto's are jealous cos you had to work hard for it, but you know that we all worked hard for our dropsuits too or maybe someone stupidly skilled into a plasma cannon and needs a respec maybe they don't like the HMG cos there isn't a MLT version. |
Nicholas Silverton
Granite Mercenary Division
46
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Posted - 2013.08.24 21:54:00 -
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It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
235
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Posted - 2013.08.24 21:57:00 -
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Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing Depends on what you're proto-ing,
and if you have a job,
or if you go to school,
or just don't have the time.
I think a respec every once and a while would be a good thing-
like maybe every 3 months or so... |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3133
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Posted - 2013.08.24 21:59:00 -
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Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing If they decided to grind to proto, they worked for it. Not if you just respec.
Also, there's no way it takes a week. SP cap. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
936
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:00:00 -
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Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing The FOTM is merely a bad excuse for not wanting respecs though.
Example time:
If say vehicles would become FOTM suddenly, would everybody spec into them?
Or would a lot of people spec into AV to keep the FOTM vehicles at bay?
Would a lot of people anticipate that people would spec into AV and then spec into Assault/Slayer role themselves?
Would a lot of people anticipate that people would spec into Assault/Slayer and then spec into vehicles themselves?
And so on forever.
The point is that there's no fear for anything becoming FOTM since people would spec into the direct counter to this etc. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
236
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:02:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing If they decided to grind to proto, they worked for it. Not if you just respec. Also, there's no way it takes a week. SP cap. True nuff,
but at the same time if a player gets his/her's favorite suit nerfed, or altered in a way that drastically changes play style, they would probably want to spec into another suit, but if they have a bunch of SP allocated into now useless things (to them) they would feel their time was wasted, and in the end- time is money... |
Garm Hellhound
What The French CRONOS.
1
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:02:00 -
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Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences. Also because ppl tend to respec into the OP fit when they have the occasion and thats what kills the game for others that stick to their fits/gamestyle. And lastly, because it diverts technical resources and time away from actual development of the game . Not to mention all the people bitching and quitting the game because their respec is late or glitched..... blablabla
The first respec should never have happened
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3133
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:03:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing The FOTM is merely a bad excuse for not wanting respecs though. Example time: If say vehicles would become FOTM suddenly, would everybody spec into them? Or would a lot of people spec into AV to keep the FOTM vehicles at bay? Would a lot of people anticipate that people would spec into AV and then spec into Assault/Slayer role themselves? Would a lot of people anticipate that people would spec into Assault/Slayer and then spec into vehicles themselves? And so on forever. The point is that there's no fear for anything becoming FOTM since people would spec into the direct counter to this etc. You must be new here. Everyone tries to use the FOTM- very few of us spec into whatever counters it.
Like right now- how many LRs and tactical ARs do you see to counter MDs? Very few. |
Bulletmonkey50
Fallen Disciples The Minmatar Evolutionares
17
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:04:00 -
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yeah but what about suits? haha Nicholas we were talking earlier, i need to get my amarr assault proto, and i wouldn't mind a respec. cause super logi has gotten boring since there isn't as many heavies to chase around. plus people see my calogi and they know what must be done o.0
yes definitely respecs can be good. in eve its much easier to recover from a mistake, usually. they have yet to get that here in dust. but i think they should do respecs with new content. 1.4 is only 2 weapons. not worth it. if it was maybe 2 racial heavy suits and a scout suit. and some weapons, definitely, everyone deserves a respec. So they need to scatter respecs when content that should be here already gets into the game.
i personally wanted to be gallente heavy, cause real men armour tank. but they aren't in the game so i had to do something else. so when i they come out I'm hoping for a respec. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
295
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:04:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Don't be hating. Hating for hate's sake. Yeah I just used Hate as if it was a noun. It worked for Terror 13 years ago.
To be fair not everyone against respects are against them all. We have had a litany of views. |
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Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:04:00 -
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I feel sorry for noobs that don't know whats being nerfed. Last match i saw a MLT guy and he had a MD
First thing they should do is get a dropsuit |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
236
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:05:00 -
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Garm Hellhound wrote:Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences. Also because ppl tend to respec into the OP fit when they have the occasion and thats what kills the game for others that stick to their fits/gamestyle. And lastly, because it diverts technical resources and time away from actual development of the game . Not to mention all the people bitching and quitting the game because their respec is late or glitched..... blablabla
The first respec should never have happened
You seem to have ...computing...
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Seems your opinion is not valid to many... |
Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:06:00 -
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Garm Hellhound wrote:Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences. Also because ppl tend to respec into the OP fit when they have the occasion and thats what kills the game for others that stick to their fits/gamestyle. And lastly, because it diverts technical resources and time away from actual development of the game . Not to mention all the people bitching and quitting the game because their respec is late or glitched..... blablabla
The first respec should never have happened
Well the respec happened so what does that say about "New eden"? |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1248
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:06:00 -
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cause of FOTM |
Ren Ratner
Infinite Raiders
73
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:06:00 -
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Skill permanence is a core feature of the game. That's the reason. It's a core feature. It was always a core feature. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
277
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:07:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Don't be hating.
Seriously why? what is the reason? personally i think it's cos you proto's are jealous cos you had to work hard for it, but you know that we all worked hard for our dropsuits too or maybe someone stupidly skilled into a plasma cannon and needs a respec maybe they don't like the HMG cos there isn't a MLT version.
Why are you in favor of it? What is the reason for respecs if you can just spec another month and be able to use the new equip then? Really. Why should you be able to respec if you get unlimited SP anyways? Speccing the wrong thing doesn't hurt you the slightest. It's not that because you specced an Amarr suit that you can never spec a Caldari suit for example.
If you spec into HMG you should be well aware that it costs SP and that you may end up not liking it. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
236
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:08:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:I feel sorry for noobs that don't know whats being nerfed. Last match i saw a MLT guy and he had a MD
First thing they should do is get a dropsuit Anoother great point for respecs!
+1 if you got that reference |
Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:08:00 -
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Got that. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
937
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:09:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:You must be new here. Everyone tries to use the FOTM- very few of us spec into whatever counters it.
Like right now- how many LRs and tactical ARs do you see to counter MDs? Very few. The counter to MDs are shield tanked suits.
It's just not an effective counter because the MD is better than it was intended to be.
Sure vehicles are a counter as well, but we don't have respecs so how can people spec into them? |
Garm Hellhound
What The French CRONOS.
6
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:10:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:Garm Hellhound wrote:Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences. Also because ppl tend to respec into the OP fit when they have the occasion and thats what kills the game for others that stick to their fits/gamestyle. And lastly, because it diverts technical resources and time away from actual development of the game . Not to mention all the people bitching and quitting the game because their respec is late or glitched..... blablabla
The first respec should never have happened
You seem to have ...computing... 0 likes Seems your opinion is not valid to many... Or maybe its the first time i use this char to write in the forums now?
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Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
197
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:10:00 -
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I think there should just be one respec upon leaving the Academy (once they fix it) |
Ren Ratner
Infinite Raiders
74
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:10:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:Garm Hellhound wrote:Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences. Also because ppl tend to respec into the OP fit when they have the occasion and thats what kills the game for others that stick to their fits/gamestyle. And lastly, because it diverts technical resources and time away from actual development of the game . Not to mention all the people bitching and quitting the game because their respec is late or glitched..... blablabla
The first respec should never have happened
You seem to have ...computing... 0 likes Seems your opinion is not valid to many...
Or he rarely posts with that avatar. Who points out this crap? "You have 0 likes, you're worthless HURDUDURDURDUR". |
Another Heavy SOB
Pure Innocence. EoN.
554
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:11:00 -
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Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing
If it only took a week to skill into then why do you need a respec to skill something different?
It's the fact that being and idoit and failing to do your homework should not be rewarded. So what if there's No MLT version spend 12K SP to try it, if you see no potential for the weapon or item to be of use to you then do not skill it any further. If You do skill to proto and hate it well then that's your own damn fault.
Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore?
I see alot of people saying "well MAG had respecs", yep it sure did. It also had a level cap at 60 with 60 skill point's while there were much more than 60 skills in the tree and as such one could never fill out all skills, Hence the respecs to try the skills you missed the first time around. |
Garm Hellhound
What The French CRONOS.
6
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:12:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Garm Hellhound wrote:Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences. Also because ppl tend to respec into the OP fit when they have the occasion and thats what kills the game for others that stick to their fits/gamestyle. And lastly, because it diverts technical resources and time away from actual development of the game . Not to mention all the people bitching and quitting the game because their respec is late or glitched..... blablabla
The first respec should never have happened
Well the respec happened so what does that say about "New eden"? too many carebear in hisec
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Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:12:00 -
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Its not valid to alot |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
937
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:12:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore? Who talks about constant respecs?
Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope. |
Ren Ratner
Infinite Raiders
74
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:14:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Its not valid to alot
Alot just want to be left alone. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
237
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:18:00 -
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Ren Ratner wrote:hackerzilla wrote:Garm Hellhound wrote:Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences. Also because ppl tend to respec into the OP fit when they have the occasion and thats what kills the game for others that stick to their fits/gamestyle. And lastly, because it diverts technical resources and time away from actual development of the game . Not to mention all the people bitching and quitting the game because their respec is late or glitched..... blablabla
The first respec should never have happened
You seem to have ...computing... 0 likes Seems your opinion is not valid to many... Or he rarely posts with that avatar. Who points out this crap? "You have 0 likes, you're worthless HURDUDURDURDUR". Likes usually are a sign of agreement, therefor no-one agrees with him... |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
420
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:21:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Don't be hating.
Seriously why? what is the reason? personally i think it's cos you proto's are jealous cos you had to work hard for it, but you know that we all worked hard for our dropsuits too or maybe someone stupidly skilled into a plasma cannon and needs a respec maybe they don't like the HMG cos there isn't a MLT version.
Because it homogenizes the game. Get a respec, put your points to whatever is the strongest at the time, everyone does the same, thing gets nerfed, everyone cries for a respec so they can get the new current strongest thing in the game. Stop the repsecs, you start having people go into what they think will be fit their play style/fill in roles as opposed to just trying to be the very best suit at any given version of the game. |
Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
274
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:21:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing If they decided to grind to proto, they worked for it. Not if you just respec. Also, there's no way it takes a week. SP cap. Do...Do you even play this game? Hitting cap and passive without boosters gives you under 400,000 a week. It takes 2.4 mil to go into a specialized proto suit. And that's if you already have the frames and dropsuit command.
Edit: Sorry person under that quote, quoted the wrong person. |
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Another Heavy SOB
Pure Innocence. EoN.
554
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:22:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore? Who talks about constant respecs? Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope.
I see most of these kids asking for a respec option for AUR on the storefront, which for many would mean constant respecs.
Also what happened to taking pride in one's role. Don't people want to be known as a badass tanker, shotgun scout, or Heavy? Knowing that corp on the other side is warning their new player's of you?
With even monthly respecs that's totally gone, out the window.
Oh ****, it's ______ he was a badass Assault last week but who ******* knows now!
I thought part of the meta was to build a legacy for our mercs? |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
297
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:23:00 -
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Garm Hellhound wrote:The first respec should never have happened When the Skill Tree was introduced some skills disappeared and others changed. Why are you suggesting CCP should have deleted skill points off characters? |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
420
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:26:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Don't be hating.
Seriously why? what is the reason? personally i think it's cos you proto's are jealous cos you had to work hard for it, but you know that we all worked hard for our dropsuits too or maybe someone stupidly skilled into a plasma cannon and needs a respec maybe they don't like the HMG cos there isn't a MLT version. Because it homogenizes the game. Get a respec, put your points to whatever is the strongest at the time, everyone does the same, thing gets nerfed, everyone cries for a respec so they can get the new current strongest thing in the game. Stop the repsecs, you start having people go into what they think will be fit their play style/fill in roles as opposed to just trying to be the very best suit at any given version of the game.
A good example of what happens when you don't have constant respecs?
I usually run with my two brothers. Two of us run the same exact assault suit. Recently I had enough points and decided to get into SMGs and swarm launchers to deal with the vehicles, while he stayed running normal assault. So now when running together we can take care of those taxis, fight infantry, and ward off tanks instead of just fighting infantry.
If we got a respec? Would probably all go into the same suits again, get all of the same "best stuff" and all be good at that one thing. Again. Without respecs, people start to branch out into new and different roles. |
Garm Hellhound
What The French CRONOS.
6
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:28:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Garm Hellhound wrote:The first respec should never have happened When the Skill Tree was introduced some skills disappeared and others changed. Why are you suggesting CCP should have deleted skill points off characters? Reallocating the sp from the deleted skills only. Just like eve |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4566
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:31:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:I think there should just be one respec upon leaving the Academy (once they fix it) ^ |
Chad Michael Murray
The Phoenix Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:40:00 -
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I dunno... I went from heavy to logi when the racial DS came out, decided I didn't like it as much as I initially thought I would so started dropping points into heavy again. Might be awhile before I'm "more effective" but that's okay. Deep down I'm hoping a respec happens to fix my "mistakes" but I'm not going to hold my breathe; I feel like one of the appeals to dust is the fact that you can't respec. And I suppose on the bright side whenever I catch back up I'll be running a heavy that can be ready to move up to a proto logi if/when I ever decide to put in two more points into my racial DS. |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:41:00 -
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Garm Hellhound wrote:Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences.] Oh? Does this mean people in New Eden who drink milk are never allowed to have water? Bob: I've become lactose intolerant. Why can't I have any water? Jim: BECAUSE CHOICES MATTER, BOB!
Quote:Also because ppl tend to respec into the OP fit when they have the occasion and thats what kills the game for others that stick to their fits/gamestyle.
So you mean to say that people who choose to adapt are being penalized for the sake of people who choose not to adapt? So basically those who fear FOTM are in fact the ones incapable of...hardening the **** up?
Quote:And lastly, because it diverts technical resources and time away from actual development of the game . Not to mention all the people bitching and quitting the game because their respec is late or glitched..... blablabla
Okay, what are you smoking? Giving players the ability to reset their own skill points at will, takes away 'technical resources and time away from development?' How? how does it do that? Press start. Go to market. Buy a skillpoint reset package. Put it on a 30 day cooldown. Tooooo hard? |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
297
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:42:00 -
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Garm Hellhound wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Garm Hellhound wrote:The first respec should never have happened When the Skill Tree was introduced some skills disappeared and others changed. Why are you suggesting CCP should have deleted skill points off characters? Reallocating the sp from the deleted skills only. Just like eve That option may have not have been viable for the first or optional second respecs.
CCP has been extremely cautious with their use of respecs. The second only happened because they realized the FUBAR that Dropsuit Command had become and needed fixing. The Devs did the right thing. |
Rynoceros
Rise of Old Dudes
560
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:42:00 -
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10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
When this game has tangible connections to EVE, then maybe we can start talking about playing by their rules. Aside from Alliances, we are in our own world of on-going tests, preparing this game and CCP for the road that lay ahead on PS4. Until things settle down with basic content implementation, respecs should come down with every-ápatch, or my suggested system. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
421
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:47:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
That's pretty cheap. |
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Raymundo Kagestad V
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:53:00 -
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Because "Eve doesn't doooo itttt!!!"
And they fear FoTM-ers don't get their just desserts for being FoTM-ers. However what they fail to see is that the very existence of FoTM is caused by lack of balance, which is CCP's fault. Not the players. |
Rynoceros
Rise of Old Dudes
560
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:02:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
That's pretty cheap.
For players that are over that 15m SP hump, maybe. Noobies, this is somewhat manageable.
With the Aurum end of it, if you overprice it, you minimize the population willing to use the feature, especially on a regular basis or when no significant content has been offered in a patch. 10,000 doesn't seem too unreasonable. But people talking about $20 (USD) for a respec is just nonsense. |
Skyhound Solbrave
Rough Riders..
198
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:06:00 -
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FotM is why we hate respecs and anyone who says that's not a good reason either wants the FotM for themselves, or is trolling.
We had ONE Respec thus far and what happened? Everyone went to the FotM, it hit this game HARD. One Respec is all it needs for everyone to go to whatever is OP at the time. If CCP could dedicate their time to nerf/buff chasing MAYBE I would feel differently.
I would rather have grind than FotM saturating the game. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
198
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:07:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:Garm Hellhound wrote:Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences.] Oh? Does this mean people in New Eden who drink milk are never allowed to have water? Bob: I've become lactose intolerant. Why can't I have any water? Jim: BECAUSE CHOICES MATTER, BOB!
This analogy doesn't quite make sense considering there is nothing barring you from skilling into something else besides time and effort. A better analogy (yet one that doesn't support your flawed logic) would be complaining about not being able to buy a ferrari after having bought a lamborghini. What you do is HTFU and start skilling into the things you want. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4567
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:09:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
When this game has tangible connections to EVE, then maybe we can start talking about playing by their rules. Aside from Alliances, we are in our own world of on-going tests, preparing this game and CCP for the road that lay ahead on PS4. Until things settle down with basic content implementation, respecs should come down with every-ápatch, or my suggested system. Set whatever AUR price you want, but you should have to give up 1/3 of your lifetime SP to deter people from speccing into what's popular at the time. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
198
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:10:00 -
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I still like the idea of something that lets you take out SP from skills you don't want at the same rate you get passive SP yet your passive SP is disabled. Seems reasonable enough to me. |
Lazy Scumbag
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
36
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:13:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
When this game has tangible connections to EVE, then maybe we can start talking about playing by their rules. Aside from Alliances, we are in our own world of on-going tests, preparing this game and CCP for the road that lay ahead on PS4. Until things settle down with basic content implementation, respecs should come down with every-ápatch, or my suggested system. Set whatever AUR price you want, but you should have to give up 1/3 of your lifetime SP to deter people from speccing into what's popular at the time.
Might still be worth it to get out of armor tanking. But some of us assumed we were using a balanced system when allocating sp. The best thing to do with sp is hoard them. Something better is always in the future. I would be satisfied with passive sp on all characters. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4567
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:15:00 -
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Lazy Scumbag wrote:Cosgar wrote:Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
When this game has tangible connections to EVE, then maybe we can start talking about playing by their rules. Aside from Alliances, we are in our own world of on-going tests, preparing this game and CCP for the road that lay ahead on PS4. Until things settle down with basic content implementation, respecs should come down with every-ápatch, or my suggested system. Set whatever AUR price you want, but you should have to give up 1/3 of your lifetime SP to deter people from speccing into what's popular at the time. Might still be worth it to get out of armor tanking. But some of us assumed we were using a balanced system when allocating sp. The best thing to do with sp is hoard them. Something better is always in the future. I would be satisfied with passive sp on all characters. Yeah, I agree with the passive SP on all characters and possibly a weekly rollover for people that don't have the time to cap every week. I'd actually be even more okay with 100% passive SP but this game would have to be more interesting than the forced grind we have to endure. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
610
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:19:00 -
[49] - Quote
because respecs make choices meaningless... that's the ultra short version...
recommend you go read the 10,000 threads about respecs and get the long version of the answer for yourself... |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
427
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:34:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:1. For players that are over that 15m SP hump, maybe. 2. Noobies, this is somewhat manageable.
3. But people talking about $20 (USD) for a respec is just nonsense.
1. I'm no where near 15m. Literally months away from that happening. 10mil isk just isn't that much. It's a good chunk for sure, but its pretty easily attainable.
2. The last thing on a new player's mind should be a respec. They don't even know what's what, why would they be so interested in throwing isk/aur away?
3. 20 bucks actually sounds really fair for a respec. |
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NOAMIzzzzz
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
14
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:49:00 -
[51] - Quote
FOTM gg. |
KalOfTheRathi
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
590
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Posted - 2013.08.25 00:03:00 -
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Don't get confused by two very different reactions to respec. First is the previously mentioned FOTM that is evident in many FPS games.
The real reason is CCP/Shanghai is marching to the CCP drumbeat and EVE does not have it, thus DUST will not.
None of the players comments are significant except for the Rampant Forum Grouse to wail its song of distress as the game they play is not the game they want. Although, true be told, they have never been satisfied in any forum for any game. Ever. |
xLT Green
Damage Core corp. The Superpowers
24
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O don't hate the idea of a respec but I don't want one. I just hit 10 million sp I took my time studying on how I want my player to be and stuck with it ua maybe o shouldn't have put gallente medium dropsuit skill to 5 so I can have a quick proto basic suit but I did or my my gallente lav to LV 1 and a few other things but I use what I can and its all helpful to me and my corp. So no I don't want one but I won't cry like children when it happens. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3311
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Don't be hating.
Seriously why? what is the reason? personally i think it's cos you proto's are jealous cos you had to work hard for it, but you know that we all worked hard for our dropsuits too or maybe someone stupidly skilled into a plasma cannon and needs a respec maybe they don't like the HMG cos there isn't a MLT version. Uh, no, it's because the people with 22 million SP would be able to instantly max themselves out in any specialization at will.
As many of us have said before, offering limited ones as new content comes out to allow people to spec into things that SHOULD have been in the game at launch is fine, but setting them up as some kind of recurring thing, or even worse making them purchasable is the last thing we need.
It still just makes me laugh whenever the people bitching about AURUM gear being pay-to-win then turn right around and demand the ability to redo their character whenever they want for AURUM. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
161
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Posted - 2013.08.25 01:10:00 -
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Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing Takes me 3 weeks... but I have a life so... |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2440
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Posted - 2013.08.25 01:10:00 -
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Ren Ratner wrote:Skill permanence is a core feature of the game. That's the reason. It's a core feature. It was always a core feature.
Do you want me to get out the list of "Big Features" for DUST 514?
It's funny that only the one that makes the game more expensive (in time or money) is the one that is considered necessary where core features like "fun" and "eve integration" and "faction diversity" and "more than 2 game modes" and "100s of maps" are merely nice-to-haves.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102105 |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
161
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Posted - 2013.08.25 01:15:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:I feel sorry for noobs that don't know whats being nerfed. Last match i saw a MLT guy and he had a MD
First thing they should do is get a dropsuit I was worse. I got a Duvolle and I had a MLT suit at first... |
Ferocitan
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
50
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I've gone **** FotM from the start. Been skilling into skills that give bonus to every suit and vehicle AKA support skills. Got few advanced gear but still hard to kill in my standard/half advanced stuff and I might just work harder to kill protos. I test **** out, spreading it out wide at first, make the base strong and figurw out wtf I'm gonna do with a character. I've burnt SP on stuff I might not like now but will probably try it again in the future. 1 gamestyle for 4 years will bore me making said SP Not completely wasted. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
692
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:06:00 -
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Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing
grinding to proto does not take a week....... even for weapons it takes at least to weeks, let alone the suits which statistically take about 2 months to get proto on (for racial suits). A week? yeah right, if you let a respec go out now everybody would switch to the suits that they perceive as good (which are pretty obvious) and the diversity in the game right now would plummet (as little as it is already).
And your right, CCP does take their sweet time buffing, which is why people shouldn't ask for respecs because usually they get ample time to save up SP before hand anyway. |
pamuku420tyme
RedBerry Genocide
15
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:12:00 -
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Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing
A week??? are you sure cause those are 1.2mil sp and the weekly cap is slightly lower than this sooo.... i would have to venture that ur r3tarded can u do simple math?? |
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
619
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:17:00 -
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I was a Gallente Logi with an MD for the first two months of uprising, getting torn apart by Caldari logis with TAC ARs, despite having all my armor and equipment skills maxed. Now these same people think it's fair that they jump into my specialization now that it is viable, without spending the time skilling into it. I put up with being inferior for two months, that's is more than enough time to gain enough SP to invest in a new suit or weapon. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
692
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:17:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing The FOTM is merely a bad excuse for not wanting respecs though. Example time: If say vehicles would become FOTM suddenly, would everybody spec into them? Or would a lot of people spec into AV to keep the FOTM vehicles at bay? Would a lot of people anticipate that people would spec into AV and then spec into Assault/Slayer role themselves? Would a lot of people anticipate that people would spec into Assault/Slayer and then spec into vehicles themselves? And so on forever. The point is that there's no fear for anything becoming FOTM since people would spec into the direct counter to this etc.
That's a bad example because Tanks and slayer roles are completely different in how they feel and play. Not everybody is interested in being a tanker or, in the reverse, an infantry role.
However a scrambler rifle behaves the same way an assault rifle does in that the core concept is similar. "point your gun and shoot",
Most people don't think deep enough to say "oh well if tanks are the perceived FOTM I should spec into AV" That's just not how the generic mindless slayer thinks. You don't think FOTM exists? What happened the last respec we had? Idk about you but half the people I knew specced into proto Logi suits with a majority of that being the Calogi.
And what of the flaylock pistol? The only two things holding me back from using that was 1.) class, and 2.) not wanting to wait saving up SP for something I knew was going to get nerfed eventually anyway. Yet I bet you if people were given a chance (via respec) tons would have gone strate into the core flaylock pistols before it was nerfed, and I can almost guarantee that people would have done that regardless of the knowledge that it would be nerfed soon.
You see, this whole "respec" concept is game breaking. Whats the point of planning or experimenting with stuff if you know that regardless of how bad a mistake you make your just going to be given a second chance because some people complained about it? No..... that's the sort of thing that you find in franchise shooters like COD. Tons of noob friendly features, and way to much forgiving.
I like this game because the actions I perform LAST, and because of that they inherently MEAN more to me, which is ultimately why I play this game over most other games. The decisions I make, matter. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
692
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:22:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore? Who talks about constant respecs? Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope.
Once the damn difference between constant and "once in a while"?????? Its too forgiving either way. Eve players have never once gotten a respec. And that game is ten years old. Our game is about a year old and weve gotten three already. The whole point against respecs is because with them it takes the whole meaning out of making a choice. Oh you screwed up your skill progression a little bit? Well I guess I just got to wait a month and I can make it all better!
NOOOOOO. If you make a mistake, you should pay for it. Simple as that. And this isn't even like im helping myself. I would love a respec, but I know enough to know that a regular respec would break half the very meaning as to why I play this game. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
692
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:24:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore? Who talks about constant respecs? Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope. I see most of these kids asking for a respec option for AUR on the storefront, which for many would mean constant respecs. Also what happened to taking pride in one's role. Don't people want to be known as a badass tanker, shotgun scout, or Heavy? Knowing that corp on the other side is warning their new player's of you? With even monthly respecs that's totally gone, out the window. Oh ****, it's ______ he was a badass Assault last week but who ******* knows now! I thought part of the meta was to build a legacy for our mercs?
That's the very deffintion of "pay to win" my friend, and so you can feel comfortable in knowing that respecs for AUR will NEVER be in this game. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
693
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:34:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:Garm Hellhound wrote:Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences.] Oh? Does this mean people in New Eden who drink milk are never allowed to have water? Bob: I've become lactose intolerant. Why can't I have any water? Jim: BECAUSE CHOICES MATTER, BOB! Quote:Also because ppl tend to respec into the OP fit when they have the occasion and thats what kills the game for others that stick to their fits/gamestyle. So you mean to say that people who choose to adapt are being penalized for the sake of people who choose not to adapt? So basically those who fear FOTM are in fact the ones incapable of...hardening the **** up? Quote:And lastly, because it diverts technical resources and time away from actual development of the game . Not to mention all the people bitching and quitting the game because their respec is late or glitched..... blablabla Okay, what are you smoking? Giving players the ability to reset their own skill points at will, takes away 'technical resources and time away from development?' How? how does it do that? Press start. Go to market. Buy a skillpoint reset package. Put it on a 30 day cooldown. Tooooo hard?
All of those aside from your last response didn't make any sense. Technically a respec should be easy and I cant imagine why it would be difficult to have one at all. However I do not endorse this at all so whatever.
Your lactose example is a poor one at best. They nerfed the logi suits and flaylock pistols, yet you don't see anybody crying for respecs because of that specific reason. There isn't a single item in the game that will get nerfed to the point of complete uselessness (accept for missile launchers because those are special.......). But in your example the mans lactose enzymes were nerfed to oblivion which isn't realistic. Therefore the example isn't valid.
People adapt by earning new SP and spending it on something else, NOT by crying for a respec. By getting a respec button its like the same as giving somebody and "easy button" to the game. NO..... what makes a truly good survivalist/player in this game is someone who can perceive what will and wont be the most safe suits to spec into. So for example I give props to anyone who specced into either of the minmatar medium suits because both logi and assault are excellent suits for that race, and neither of them are at risk of being nerfed. In other words, players who are good enough and who have enough foresight shouldn't be penalized for the sake of a couple of narrow minded crybabies asking for a respec. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
693
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:35:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
That's pretty cheap.
That's very cheap........ and 720 hours? so Once a month? That's stupid..... it truly is. |
Another Heavy SOB
Pure Innocence. EoN.
558
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:36:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore? Who talks about constant respecs? Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope. I see most of these kids asking for a respec option for AUR on the storefront, which for many would mean constant respecs. Also what happened to taking pride in one's role. Don't people want to be known as a badass tanker, shotgun scout, or Heavy? Knowing that corp on the other side is warning their new player's of you? With even monthly respecs that's totally gone, out the window. Oh ****, it's ______ he was a badass Assault last week but who ******* knows now! I thought part of the meta was to build a legacy for our mercs? That's the very deffintion of "pay to win" my friend, and so you can feel comfortable in knowing that respecs for AUR will NEVER be in this game.
Ohh I know it, it's time the cry babies figure it out.
And really how bad can one **** up that a months worth of passive and active can't rectify? |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
693
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:37:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:Rynoceros wrote:1. For players that are over that 15m SP hump, maybe. 2. Noobies, this is somewhat manageable.
3. But people talking about $20 (USD) for a respec is just nonsense. 1. I'm no where near 15m. Literally months away from that happening. 10mil isk just isn't that much. It's a good chunk for sure, but its pretty easily attainable. 2. The last thing on a new player's mind should be a respec. They don't even know what's what, why would they be so interested in throwing isk/aur away? 3. 20 bucks actually sounds really fair for a respec.
it sounds like pay to win to me...... I guess will just have to apologize to anyone that plays this game for free due to lack of funds huh? |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
694
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:44:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Don't be hating.
Seriously why? what is the reason? personally i think it's cos you proto's are jealous cos you had to work hard for it, but you know that we all worked hard for our dropsuits too or maybe someone stupidly skilled into a plasma cannon and needs a respec maybe they don't like the HMG cos there isn't a MLT version. Uh, no, it's because the people with 22 million SP would be able to instantly max themselves out in any specialization at will. As many of us have said before, offering limited ones as new content comes out to allow people to spec into things that SHOULD have been in the game at launch is fine, but setting them up as some kind of recurring thing, or even worse making them purchasable is the last thing we need. It still just makes me laugh whenever the people bitching about AURUM gear being pay-to-win then turn right around and demand the ability to redo their character whenever they want for AURUM.
Wow..... somebody who can rub more then two brain cells together for once. Nice to meet you bud!
I agree with you, its hypocritical at best. I just don't understand this whole respec debate to begin with. Why do people want one so bad? Granted, I have a lot of SP, but I mean...... how deep of an investment can you make into something before you make a mistake????? The mistakes I make are limited to about 100k SP investments whenever I want to try something knew out. If it works, GREAT! but if it fails...... well its only 100k right? That's like 1/5 of my weeks earnings. How badly could people have possibly messed up before realizing it? Cuz the only thing to warrant a respec would be, like you said, more content being added that should have been here, OR them just putting more then half their SP into something like vehicles only to realize they don't like vehicles. god...... im tired and these threads make me angry. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
694
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:45:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:Marston VC wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore? Who talks about constant respecs? Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope. I see most of these kids asking for a respec option for AUR on the storefront, which for many would mean constant respecs. Also what happened to taking pride in one's role. Don't people want to be known as a badass tanker, shotgun scout, or Heavy? Knowing that corp on the other side is warning their new player's of you? With even monthly respecs that's totally gone, out the window. Oh ****, it's ______ he was a badass Assault last week but who ******* knows now! I thought part of the meta was to build a legacy for our mercs? That's the very deffintion of "pay to win" my friend, and so you can feel comfortable in knowing that respecs for AUR will NEVER be in this game. Ohh I know it, it's time the cry babies figure it out. And really how bad can one **** up that a months worth of passive and active can't rectify?
EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!! Its only been a month or so from the last respec we got. How badley could people have possibly screwed up???? One basic proto suit maybe?? Tough luck dude, if it took you 1 month to figure out something wasn't going to work then you don't diserve to be forgiven anyway! |
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
694
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:52:00 -
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Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:Because "Eve doesn't doooo itttt!!!"
And they fear FoTM-ers don't get their just desserts for being FoTM-ers. However what they fail to see is that the very existence of FoTM is caused by lack of balance, which is CCP's fault. Not the players.
But you cant deny that its still there. And that's not the only reason man. I made all the right decisions when I got my respec along with everyone else. I saw the calogi suit and I knew for a fact that it would eventually get nerfed, so I specced into gallente logi instead. I specced into armor tanking because I knew that it would eventually get buffed. Now all that time waiting is finally starting to pay off. The calogi was nerfed, and armor tanking is getting its SECOND buff in two months.
Because I knew a respec was coming I spend my 15 + mill SP all over the place and found out what I liked, and what I thought would be good. Based off my predictions I made a decision. And to me, those decisions have payed off in the long run. So why should I be penalized by allowing other people to fix their mistakes??? I made the right choices, but people who didn't all get a pat on the back and get told "its okay, just take this respec and make everything better!"..... Whats the point of me putting time and effort into this game, trying to figure out whats the best choice of actions, if I know that regardless of what I do ill just get a respec anyway???
There is none, and that's why there shouldn't be a respec. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
353
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:54:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Don't be hating.
Seriously why? what is the reason? personally i think it's cos you proto's are jealous cos you had to work hard for it, but you know that we all worked hard for our dropsuits too or maybe someone stupidly skilled into a plasma cannon and needs a respec maybe they don't like the HMG cos there isn't a MLT version.
i hate the idea because i'm an eve player, and i understand how respecs ruin a game. when you allow respecs small differences in balance become apparent and overwhelming. at that point the developers have to spend time reprogramming and testing to make what was a very small problem something that was exploited by the player-base. those things get balanced in due time naturally, but the players will qq forever when they become apparent.
also, i get bored of every game that i can respec, because it means that the developer has no intention of improving the game itself. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
694
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:55:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:I feel sorry for noobs that don't know whats being nerfed. Last match i saw a MLT guy and he had a MD
First thing they should do is get a dropsuit I was worse. I got a Duvolle and I had a MLT suit at first...
I disagree. This is what new people should spec into, and in THIS order.
Damage mods
Assault rifle
Fitting skills
Then dropsuits.
A glass cannon fit is way easier to unlock, and way more effective in the short term then speccing into a dropsuit. With two damage mods, a GEK, and a nanohive you can do good work and it shouldn't cost more then 50k per suit. Sure you'll be fragile, but as you unlock more stuff you can fix that, and even though you are fragile you still pack a mean punch. So yeah..... having a duvolle isn't really that bad a thing man, you just didn't know any better. |
alternate ending 514
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:57:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:I feel sorry for noobs that don't know whats being nerfed. Last match i saw a MLT guy and he had a MD
First thing they should do is get a dropsuit Anoother great point for respecs! +1 if you got that reference
Just because he's in militia, does not mean he's necessarily a noob. Also he may be trying things out. Lvl 1 weapons cost 18kish sp.( sorry cant remember exactly). Not a huge waste of sp. Dropsuits are a priority early but not necessarily the first thing you must do. Maybe he's a smart noob and trying things out. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
470
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:59:00 -
[75] - Quote
Because it's skilling into the flavor of the month. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3734
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Posted - 2013.08.25 03:05:00 -
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Eve players have been demanding respecs for years and CCP ignored them. If DUST gets a respec system, then those same Eve players will demand even more. Imagine every Eve player speccing into titans with respecs.
No, Eve's neutral remap system is not a respec system in regards to moving skill points. |
Garm Hellhound
What The French CRONOS.
8
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Posted - 2013.08.25 03:11:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote: Oh? Does this mean people in New Eden who drink milk are never allowed to have water? Bob: I've become lactose intolerant. Why can't I have any water? Jim: BECAUSE CHOICES MATTER, BOB!
People only drink Quafe in New Eden
Our Deepest Regret wrote:
So you mean to say that people who choose to adapt are being penalized for the sake of people who choose not to adapt? So basically those who fear FOTM are in fact the ones incapable of...hardening the **** up?
I dont fear fotm, i ADAPT by spending sp into something i need. Respec is the easy way. And after the fotm is nerfed ppl will cry for a respec
Our Deepest Regret wrote:
Okay, what are you smoking? Giving players the ability to reset their own skill points at will, takes away 'technical resources and time away from development?' How? how does it do that? Press start. Go to market. Buy a skillpoint reset package. Put it on a 30 day cooldown. Tooooo hard?
Well last time it was done with tickets and was bugged so yeah time was dedicated to clean the crap. There was no "reset package" |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
470
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Posted - 2013.08.25 04:43:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:I feel sorry for noobs that don't know whats being nerfed. Last match i saw a MLT guy and he had a MD
First thing they should do is get a dropsuit Yeah, go for 4x then 8x skills for dropsuits, instead of going after core skills first. Real intelligent decision. |
Garm Hellhound
What The French CRONOS.
8
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Crying no more?
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