DUST Search - Why do you guys hate respecs?

Another Heavy SOB wrote:

Marston VC wrote:

Another Heavy SOB wrote:

Bendtner92 wrote:

Another Heavy SOB wrote:

Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore?

Who talks about constant respecs?

Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope.

I see most of these kids asking for a respec option for AUR on the storefront, which for many would mean constant respecs.

Also what happened to taking pride in one's role. Don't people want to be known as a badass tanker, shotgun scout, or Heavy? Knowing that corp on the other side is warning their new player's of you?

With even monthly respecs that's totally gone, out the window.

Oh ****, it's ______ he was a badass Assault last week but who ******* knows now!

I thought part of the meta was to build a legacy for our mercs?

That's the very deffintion of "pay to win" my friend, and so you can feel comfortable in knowing that respecs for AUR will NEVER be in this game.

Ohh I know it, it's time the cry babies figure it out.

And really how bad can one **** up that a months worth of passive and active can't rectify?

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Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 619	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:17:00 - [61] - Quote I was a Gallente Logi with an MD for the first two months of uprising, getting torn apart by Caldari logis with TAC ARs, despite having all my armor and equipment skills maxed. Now these same people think it's fair that they jump into my specialization now that it is viable, without spending the time skilling into it. I put up with being inferior for two months, that's is more than enough time to gain enough SP to invest in a new suit or weapon.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 692	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:17:00 - [62] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Nicholas Silverton wrote: It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing The FOTM is merely a bad excuse for not wanting respecs though. Example time: If say vehicles would become FOTM suddenly, would everybody spec into them? Or would a lot of people spec into AV to keep the FOTM vehicles at bay? Would a lot of people anticipate that people would spec into AV and then spec into Assault/Slayer role themselves? Would a lot of people anticipate that people would spec into Assault/Slayer and then spec into vehicles themselves? And so on forever. The point is that there's no fear for anything becoming FOTM since people would spec into the direct counter to this etc. That's a bad example because Tanks and slayer roles are completely different in how they feel and play. Not everybody is interested in being a tanker or, in the reverse, an infantry role. However a scrambler rifle behaves the same way an assault rifle does in that the core concept is similar. "point your gun and shoot", Most people don't think deep enough to say "oh well if tanks are the perceived FOTM I should spec into AV" That's just not how the generic mindless slayer thinks. You don't think FOTM exists? What happened the last respec we had? Idk about you but half the people I knew specced into proto Logi suits with a majority of that being the Calogi. And what of the flaylock pistol? The only two things holding me back from using that was 1.) class, and 2.) not wanting to wait saving up SP for something I knew was going to get nerfed eventually anyway. Yet I bet you if people were given a chance (via respec) tons would have gone strate into the core flaylock pistols before it was nerfed, and I can almost guarantee that people would have done that regardless of the knowledge that it would be nerfed soon. You see, this whole "respec" concept is game breaking. Whats the point of planning or experimenting with stuff if you know that regardless of how bad a mistake you make your just going to be given a second chance because some people complained about it? No..... that's the sort of thing that you find in franchise shooters like COD. Tons of noob friendly features, and way to much forgiving. I like this game because the actions I perform LAST, and because of that they inherently MEAN more to me, which is ultimately why I play this game over most other games. The decisions I make, matter.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 692	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:22:00 - [63] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore? Who talks about constant respecs? Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope. Once the damn difference between constant and "once in a while"?????? Its too forgiving either way. Eve players have never once gotten a respec. And that game is ten years old. Our game is about a year old and weve gotten three already. The whole point against respecs is because with them it takes the whole meaning out of making a choice. Oh you screwed up your skill progression a little bit? Well I guess I just got to wait a month and I can make it all better! NOOOOOO. If you make a mistake, you should pay for it. Simple as that. And this isn't even like im helping myself. I would love a respec, but I know enough to know that a regular respec would break half the very meaning as to why I play this game.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 692	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:24:00 - [64] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore? Who talks about constant respecs? Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope. I see most of these kids asking for a respec option for AUR on the storefront, which for many would mean constant respecs. Also what happened to taking pride in one's role. Don't people want to be known as a badass tanker, shotgun scout, or Heavy? Knowing that corp on the other side is warning their new player's of you? With even monthly respecs that's totally gone, out the window. Oh **, it's ______ he was a badass Assault last week but who ***** knows now! I thought part of the meta was to build a legacy for our mercs? That's the very deffintion of "pay to win" my friend, and so you can feel comfortable in knowing that respecs for AUR will NEVER be in this game.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 693	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:34:00 - [65] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Garm Hellhound wrote: Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences.] Oh? Does this mean people in New Eden who drink milk are never allowed to have water? Bob: I've become lactose intolerant. Why can't I have any water? Jim: BECAUSE CHOICES MATTER, BOB! Quote: Also because ppl tend to respec into the OP fit when they have the occasion and thats what kills the game for others that stick to their fits/gamestyle. So you mean to say that people who choose to adapt are being penalized for the sake of people who choose not to adapt? So basically those who fear FOTM are in fact the ones incapable of...hardening the ** up? Quote:** And lastly, because it diverts technical resources and time away from actual development of the game . Not to mention all the people bitching and quitting the game because their respec is late or glitched..... blablabla Okay, what are you smoking? Giving players the ability to reset their own skill points at will, takes away 'technical resources and time away from development?' How? how does it do that? Press start. Go to market. Buy a skillpoint reset package. Put it on a 30 day cooldown. Tooooo hard? All of those aside from your last response didn't make any sense. Technically a respec should be easy and I cant imagine why it would be difficult to have one at all. However I do not endorse this at all so whatever. Your lactose example is a poor one at best. They nerfed the logi suits and flaylock pistols, yet you don't see anybody crying for respecs because of that specific reason. There isn't a single item in the game that will get nerfed to the point of complete uselessness (accept for missile launchers because those are special.......). But in your example the mans lactose enzymes were nerfed to oblivion which isn't realistic. Therefore the example isn't valid. People adapt by earning new SP and spending it on something else, NOT by crying for a respec. By getting a respec button its like the same as giving somebody and "easy button" to the game. NO..... what makes a truly good survivalist/player in this game is someone who can perceive what will and wont be the most safe suits to spec into. So for example I give props to anyone who specced into either of the minmatar medium suits because both logi and assault are excellent suits for that race, and neither of them are at risk of being nerfed. In other words, players who are good enough and who have enough foresight shouldn't be penalized for the sake of a couple of narrow minded crybabies asking for a respec.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 693	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:35:00 - [66] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Rynoceros wrote: 10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours That's pretty cheap. That's very cheap........ and 720 hours? so Once a month? That's stupid..... it truly is.
Another Heavy SOB Pure Innocence. EoN. 558	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:36:00 - [67] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore? Who talks about constant respecs? Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope. I see most of these kids asking for a respec option for AUR on the storefront, which for many would mean constant respecs. Also what happened to taking pride in one's role. Don't people want to be known as a badass tanker, shotgun scout, or Heavy? Knowing that corp on the other side is warning their new player's of you? With even monthly respecs that's totally gone, out the window. Oh **, it's ______ he was a badass Assault last week but who *** knows now! I thought part of the meta was to build a legacy for our mercs? That's the very deffintion of "pay to win" my friend, and so you can feel comfortable in knowing that respecs for AUR will NEVER be in this game. Ohh I know it, it's time the cry babies figure it out. And really how bad can one ** up that a months worth of passive and active can't rectify?
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 693	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:37:00 - [68] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Rynoceros wrote: 1. For players that are over that 15m SP hump, maybe. 2. Noobies, this is somewhat manageable. 3. But people talking about $20 (USD) for a respec is just nonsense. 1. I'm no where near 15m. Literally months away from that happening. 10mil isk just isn't that much. It's a good chunk for sure, but its pretty easily attainable. 2. The last thing on a new player's mind should be a respec. They don't even know what's what, why would they be so interested in throwing isk/aur away? 3. 20 bucks actually sounds really fair for a respec. it sounds like pay to win to me...... I guess will just have to apologize to anyone that plays this game for free due to lack of funds huh?
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 694	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:44:00 - [69] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Don't be hating. Seriously why? what is the reason? personally i think it's cos you proto's are jealous cos you had to work hard for it, but you know that we all worked hard for our dropsuits too or maybe someone stupidly skilled into a plasma cannon and needs a respec maybe they don't like the HMG cos there isn't a MLT version. Uh, no, it's because the people with 22 million SP would be able to instantly max themselves out in any specialization at will. As many of us have said before, offering limited ones as new content comes out to allow people to spec into things that SHOULD have been in the game at launch is fine, but setting them up as some kind of recurring thing, or even worse making them purchasable is the last thing we need. It still just makes me laugh whenever the people bitching about AURUM gear being pay-to-win then turn right around and demand the ability to redo their character whenever they want for AURUM. Wow..... somebody who can rub more then two brain cells together for once. Nice to meet you bud! I agree with you, its hypocritical at best. I just don't understand this whole respec debate to begin with. Why do people want one so bad? Granted, I have a lot of SP, but I mean...... how deep of an investment can you make into something before you make a mistake????? The mistakes I make are limited to about 100k SP investments whenever I want to try something knew out. If it works, GREAT! but if it fails...... well its only 100k right? That's like 1/5 of my weeks earnings. How badly could people have possibly messed up before realizing it? Cuz the only thing to warrant a respec would be, like you said, more content being added that should have been here, OR them just putting more then half their SP into something like vehicles only to realize they don't like vehicles. god...... im tired and these threads make me angry.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 694	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:45:00 - [70] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: Marston VC wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore? Who talks about constant respecs? Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope. I see most of these kids asking for a respec option for AUR on the storefront, which for many would mean constant respecs. Also what happened to taking pride in one's role. Don't people want to be known as a badass tanker, shotgun scout, or Heavy? Knowing that corp on the other side is warning their new player's of you? With even monthly respecs that's totally gone, out the window. Oh **, it's ______ he was a badass Assault last week but who *** knows now! I thought part of the meta was to build a legacy for our mercs? That's the very deffintion of "pay to win" my friend, and so you can feel comfortable in knowing that respecs for AUR will NEVER be in this game. Ohh I know it, it's time the cry babies figure it out. And really how bad can one ** up that a months worth of passive and active can't rectify? EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!! Its only been a month or so from the last respec we got. How badley could people have possibly screwed up???? One basic proto suit maybe?? Tough luck dude, if it took you 1 month to figure out something wasn't going to work then you don't diserve to be forgiven anyway!

Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 694	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:52:00 - [71] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Because "Eve doesn't doooo itttt!!!" And they fear FoTM-ers don't get their just desserts for being FoTM-ers. However what they fail to see is that the very existence of FoTM is caused by lack of balance, which is CCP's fault. Not the players. But you cant deny that its still there. And that's not the only reason man. I made all the right decisions when I got my respec along with everyone else. I saw the calogi suit and I knew for a fact that it would eventually get nerfed, so I specced into gallente logi instead. I specced into armor tanking because I knew that it would eventually get buffed. Now all that time waiting is finally starting to pay off. The calogi was nerfed, and armor tanking is getting its SECOND buff in two months. Because I knew a respec was coming I spend my 15 + mill SP all over the place and found out what I liked, and what I thought would be good. Based off my predictions I made a decision. And to me, those decisions have payed off in the long run. So why should I be penalized by allowing other people to fix their mistakes??? I made the right choices, but people who didn't all get a pat on the back and get told "its okay, just take this respec and make everything better!"..... Whats the point of me putting time and effort into this game, trying to figure out whats the best choice of actions, if I know that regardless of what I do ill just get a respec anyway??? There is none, and that's why there shouldn't be a respec.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 353	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:54:00 - [72] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Don't be hating. Seriously why? what is the reason? personally i think it's cos you proto's are jealous cos you had to work hard for it, but you know that we all worked hard for our dropsuits too or maybe someone stupidly skilled into a plasma cannon and needs a respec maybe they don't like the HMG cos there isn't a MLT version. i hate the idea because i'm an eve player, and i understand how respecs ruin a game. when you allow respecs small differences in balance become apparent and overwhelming. at that point the developers have to spend time reprogramming and testing to make what was a very small problem something that was exploited by the player-base. those things get balanced in due time naturally, but the players will qq forever when they become apparent. also, i get bored of every game that i can respec, because it means that the developer has no intention of improving the game itself.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 694	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:55:00 - [73] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: I feel sorry for noobs that don't know whats being nerfed. Last match i saw a MLT guy and he had a MD First thing they should do is get a dropsuit I was worse. I got a Duvolle and I had a MLT suit at first... I disagree. This is what new people should spec into, and in THIS order. Damage mods Assault rifle Fitting skills Then dropsuits. A glass cannon fit is way easier to unlock, and way more effective in the short term then speccing into a dropsuit. With two damage mods, a GEK, and a nanohive you can do good work and it shouldn't cost more then 50k per suit. Sure you'll be fragile, but as you unlock more stuff you can fix that, and even though you are fragile you still pack a mean punch. So yeah..... having a duvolle isn't really that bad a thing man, you just didn't know any better.
alternate ending 514 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:57:00 - [74] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: I feel sorry for noobs that don't know whats being nerfed. Last match i saw a MLT guy and he had a MD First thing they should do is get a dropsuit Anoother great point for respecs! +1 if you got that reference Just because he's in militia, does not mean he's necessarily a noob. Also he may be trying things out. Lvl 1 weapons cost 18kish sp.( sorry cant remember exactly). Not a huge waste of sp. Dropsuits are a priority early but not necessarily the first thing you must do. Maybe he's a smart noob and trying things out.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 470	Posted - 2013.08.25 02:59:00 - [75] - Quote Because it's skilling into the flavor of the month.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3734	Posted - 2013.08.25 03:05:00 - [76] - Quote Eve players have been demanding respecs for years and CCP ignored them. If DUST gets a respec system, then those same Eve players will demand even more. Imagine every Eve player speccing into titans with respecs. No, Eve's neutral remap system is not a respec system in regards to moving skill points.
Garm Hellhound What The French CRONOS. 8	Posted - 2013.08.25 03:11:00 - [77] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Oh? Does this mean people in New Eden who drink milk are never allowed to have water? Bob: I've become lactose intolerant. Why can't I have any water? Jim: BECAUSE CHOICES MATTER, BOB! People only drink Quafe in New Eden Our Deepest Regret wrote: So you mean to say that people who choose to adapt are being penalized for the sake of people who choose not to adapt? So basically those who fear FOTM are in fact the ones incapable of...hardening the ** up? I dont fear fotm, i ADAPT by spending sp into something i need. Respec is the easy way. And after the fotm is nerfed ppl will cry for a respec Our Deepest Regret wrote:** Okay, what are you smoking? Giving players the ability to reset their own skill points at will, takes away 'technical resources and time away from development?' How? how does it do that? Press start. Go to market. Buy a skillpoint reset package. Put it on a 30 day cooldown. Tooooo hard? Well last time it was done with tickets and was bugged so yeah time was dedicated to clean the crap. There was no "reset package"
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 470	Posted - 2013.08.25 04:43:00 - [78] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: I feel sorry for noobs that don't know whats being nerfed. Last match i saw a MLT guy and he had a MD First thing they should do is get a dropsuit Yeah, go for 4x then 8x skills for dropsuits, instead of going after core skills first. Real intelligent decision.
Garm Hellhound What The French CRONOS. 8	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:01:00 - [79] - Quote Crying no more?


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