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Another Heavy SOB
Pure Innocence. EoN.
554
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:22:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Beyond that there is No maximum SP cap, therefore eventually all skills could be mastered. If we offered respecs constantly what would be the point of buying boosters for anyone above 20mill SP? Or even trying to cap out anymore? Who talks about constant respecs? Respecs once in a while is what people want. I hope.
I see most of these kids asking for a respec option for AUR on the storefront, which for many would mean constant respecs.
Also what happened to taking pride in one's role. Don't people want to be known as a badass tanker, shotgun scout, or Heavy? Knowing that corp on the other side is warning their new player's of you?
With even monthly respecs that's totally gone, out the window.
Oh ****, it's ______ he was a badass Assault last week but who ******* knows now!
I thought part of the meta was to build a legacy for our mercs? |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
297
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:23:00 -
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Garm Hellhound wrote:The first respec should never have happened When the Skill Tree was introduced some skills disappeared and others changed. Why are you suggesting CCP should have deleted skill points off characters? |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
420
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:26:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Don't be hating.
Seriously why? what is the reason? personally i think it's cos you proto's are jealous cos you had to work hard for it, but you know that we all worked hard for our dropsuits too or maybe someone stupidly skilled into a plasma cannon and needs a respec maybe they don't like the HMG cos there isn't a MLT version. Because it homogenizes the game. Get a respec, put your points to whatever is the strongest at the time, everyone does the same, thing gets nerfed, everyone cries for a respec so they can get the new current strongest thing in the game. Stop the repsecs, you start having people go into what they think will be fit their play style/fill in roles as opposed to just trying to be the very best suit at any given version of the game.
A good example of what happens when you don't have constant respecs?
I usually run with my two brothers. Two of us run the same exact assault suit. Recently I had enough points and decided to get into SMGs and swarm launchers to deal with the vehicles, while he stayed running normal assault. So now when running together we can take care of those taxis, fight infantry, and ward off tanks instead of just fighting infantry.
If we got a respec? Would probably all go into the same suits again, get all of the same "best stuff" and all be good at that one thing. Again. Without respecs, people start to branch out into new and different roles. |
Garm Hellhound
What The French CRONOS.
6
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:28:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Garm Hellhound wrote:The first respec should never have happened When the Skill Tree was introduced some skills disappeared and others changed. Why are you suggesting CCP should have deleted skill points off characters? Reallocating the sp from the deleted skills only. Just like eve |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4566
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:31:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:I think there should just be one respec upon leaving the Academy (once they fix it) ^ |
Chad Michael Murray
The Phoenix Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:40:00 -
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I dunno... I went from heavy to logi when the racial DS came out, decided I didn't like it as much as I initially thought I would so started dropping points into heavy again. Might be awhile before I'm "more effective" but that's okay. Deep down I'm hoping a respec happens to fix my "mistakes" but I'm not going to hold my breathe; I feel like one of the appeals to dust is the fact that you can't respec. And I suppose on the bright side whenever I catch back up I'll be running a heavy that can be ready to move up to a proto logi if/when I ever decide to put in two more points into my racial DS. |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:41:00 -
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Garm Hellhound wrote:Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences.] Oh? Does this mean people in New Eden who drink milk are never allowed to have water? Bob: I've become lactose intolerant. Why can't I have any water? Jim: BECAUSE CHOICES MATTER, BOB!
Quote:Also because ppl tend to respec into the OP fit when they have the occasion and thats what kills the game for others that stick to their fits/gamestyle.
So you mean to say that people who choose to adapt are being penalized for the sake of people who choose not to adapt? So basically those who fear FOTM are in fact the ones incapable of...hardening the **** up?
Quote:And lastly, because it diverts technical resources and time away from actual development of the game . Not to mention all the people bitching and quitting the game because their respec is late or glitched..... blablabla
Okay, what are you smoking? Giving players the ability to reset their own skill points at will, takes away 'technical resources and time away from development?' How? how does it do that? Press start. Go to market. Buy a skillpoint reset package. Put it on a 30 day cooldown. Tooooo hard? |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
297
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:42:00 -
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Garm Hellhound wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Garm Hellhound wrote:The first respec should never have happened When the Skill Tree was introduced some skills disappeared and others changed. Why are you suggesting CCP should have deleted skill points off characters? Reallocating the sp from the deleted skills only. Just like eve That option may have not have been viable for the first or optional second respecs.
CCP has been extremely cautious with their use of respecs. The second only happened because they realized the FUBAR that Dropsuit Command had become and needed fixing. The Devs did the right thing. |
Rynoceros
Rise of Old Dudes
560
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:42:00 -
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10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
When this game has tangible connections to EVE, then maybe we can start talking about playing by their rules. Aside from Alliances, we are in our own world of on-going tests, preparing this game and CCP for the road that lay ahead on PS4. Until things settle down with basic content implementation, respecs should come down with every-ápatch, or my suggested system. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
421
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:47:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
That's pretty cheap. |
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Raymundo Kagestad V
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:53:00 -
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Because "Eve doesn't doooo itttt!!!"
And they fear FoTM-ers don't get their just desserts for being FoTM-ers. However what they fail to see is that the very existence of FoTM is caused by lack of balance, which is CCP's fault. Not the players. |
Rynoceros
Rise of Old Dudes
560
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:02:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
That's pretty cheap.
For players that are over that 15m SP hump, maybe. Noobies, this is somewhat manageable.
With the Aurum end of it, if you overprice it, you minimize the population willing to use the feature, especially on a regular basis or when no significant content has been offered in a patch. 10,000 doesn't seem too unreasonable. But people talking about $20 (USD) for a respec is just nonsense. |
Skyhound Solbrave
Rough Riders..
198
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:06:00 -
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FotM is why we hate respecs and anyone who says that's not a good reason either wants the FotM for themselves, or is trolling.
We had ONE Respec thus far and what happened? Everyone went to the FotM, it hit this game HARD. One Respec is all it needs for everyone to go to whatever is OP at the time. If CCP could dedicate their time to nerf/buff chasing MAYBE I would feel differently.
I would rather have grind than FotM saturating the game. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
198
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:07:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:Garm Hellhound wrote:Because this is new eden and choices should have consequences.] Oh? Does this mean people in New Eden who drink milk are never allowed to have water? Bob: I've become lactose intolerant. Why can't I have any water? Jim: BECAUSE CHOICES MATTER, BOB!
This analogy doesn't quite make sense considering there is nothing barring you from skilling into something else besides time and effort. A better analogy (yet one that doesn't support your flawed logic) would be complaining about not being able to buy a ferrari after having bought a lamborghini. What you do is HTFU and start skilling into the things you want. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4567
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:09:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
When this game has tangible connections to EVE, then maybe we can start talking about playing by their rules. Aside from Alliances, we are in our own world of on-going tests, preparing this game and CCP for the road that lay ahead on PS4. Until things settle down with basic content implementation, respecs should come down with every-ápatch, or my suggested system. Set whatever AUR price you want, but you should have to give up 1/3 of your lifetime SP to deter people from speccing into what's popular at the time. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
198
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:10:00 -
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I still like the idea of something that lets you take out SP from skills you don't want at the same rate you get passive SP yet your passive SP is disabled. Seems reasonable enough to me. |
Lazy Scumbag
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
36
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:13:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
When this game has tangible connections to EVE, then maybe we can start talking about playing by their rules. Aside from Alliances, we are in our own world of on-going tests, preparing this game and CCP for the road that lay ahead on PS4. Until things settle down with basic content implementation, respecs should come down with every-ápatch, or my suggested system. Set whatever AUR price you want, but you should have to give up 1/3 of your lifetime SP to deter people from speccing into what's popular at the time.
Might still be worth it to get out of armor tanking. But some of us assumed we were using a balanced system when allocating sp. The best thing to do with sp is hoard them. Something better is always in the future. I would be satisfied with passive sp on all characters. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4567
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:15:00 -
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Lazy Scumbag wrote:Cosgar wrote:Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK OR 5,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours
When this game has tangible connections to EVE, then maybe we can start talking about playing by their rules. Aside from Alliances, we are in our own world of on-going tests, preparing this game and CCP for the road that lay ahead on PS4. Until things settle down with basic content implementation, respecs should come down with every-ápatch, or my suggested system. Set whatever AUR price you want, but you should have to give up 1/3 of your lifetime SP to deter people from speccing into what's popular at the time. Might still be worth it to get out of armor tanking. But some of us assumed we were using a balanced system when allocating sp. The best thing to do with sp is hoard them. Something better is always in the future. I would be satisfied with passive sp on all characters. Yeah, I agree with the passive SP on all characters and possibly a weekly rollover for people that don't have the time to cap every week. I'd actually be even more okay with 100% passive SP but this game would have to be more interesting than the forced grind we have to endure. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
610
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:19:00 -
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because respecs make choices meaningless... that's the ultra short version...
recommend you go read the 10,000 threads about respecs and get the long version of the answer for yourself... |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
427
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:34:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:1. For players that are over that 15m SP hump, maybe. 2. Noobies, this is somewhat manageable.
3. But people talking about $20 (USD) for a respec is just nonsense.
1. I'm no where near 15m. Literally months away from that happening. 10mil isk just isn't that much. It's a good chunk for sure, but its pretty easily attainable.
2. The last thing on a new player's mind should be a respec. They don't even know what's what, why would they be so interested in throwing isk/aur away?
3. 20 bucks actually sounds really fair for a respec. |
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NOAMIzzzzz
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
14
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:49:00 -
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FOTM gg. |
KalOfTheRathi
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
590
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Posted - 2013.08.25 00:03:00 -
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Don't get confused by two very different reactions to respec. First is the previously mentioned FOTM that is evident in many FPS games.
The real reason is CCP/Shanghai is marching to the CCP drumbeat and EVE does not have it, thus DUST will not.
None of the players comments are significant except for the Rampant Forum Grouse to wail its song of distress as the game they play is not the game they want. Although, true be told, they have never been satisfied in any forum for any game. Ever. |
xLT Green
Damage Core corp. The Superpowers
24
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Posted - 2013.08.25 01:01:00 -
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O don't hate the idea of a respec but I don't want one. I just hit 10 million sp I took my time studying on how I want my player to be and stuck with it ua maybe o shouldn't have put gallente medium dropsuit skill to 5 so I can have a quick proto basic suit but I did or my my gallente lav to LV 1 and a few other things but I use what I can and its all helpful to me and my corp. So no I don't want one but I won't cry like children when it happens. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3311
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Posted - 2013.08.25 01:09:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Don't be hating.
Seriously why? what is the reason? personally i think it's cos you proto's are jealous cos you had to work hard for it, but you know that we all worked hard for our dropsuits too or maybe someone stupidly skilled into a plasma cannon and needs a respec maybe they don't like the HMG cos there isn't a MLT version. Uh, no, it's because the people with 22 million SP would be able to instantly max themselves out in any specialization at will.
As many of us have said before, offering limited ones as new content comes out to allow people to spec into things that SHOULD have been in the game at launch is fine, but setting them up as some kind of recurring thing, or even worse making them purchasable is the last thing we need.
It still just makes me laugh whenever the people bitching about AURUM gear being pay-to-win then turn right around and demand the ability to redo their character whenever they want for AURUM. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
161
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Posted - 2013.08.25 01:10:00 -
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Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing Takes me 3 weeks... but I have a life so... |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2440
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Posted - 2013.08.25 01:10:00 -
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Ren Ratner wrote:Skill permanence is a core feature of the game. That's the reason. It's a core feature. It was always a core feature.
Do you want me to get out the list of "Big Features" for DUST 514?
It's funny that only the one that makes the game more expensive (in time or money) is the one that is considered necessary where core features like "fun" and "eve integration" and "faction diversity" and "more than 2 game modes" and "100s of maps" are merely nice-to-haves.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102105 |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
161
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Posted - 2013.08.25 01:15:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:I feel sorry for noobs that don't know whats being nerfed. Last match i saw a MLT guy and he had a MD
First thing they should do is get a dropsuit I was worse. I got a Duvolle and I had a MLT suit at first... |
Ferocitan
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
50
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:00:00 -
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I've gone **** FotM from the start. Been skilling into skills that give bonus to every suit and vehicle AKA support skills. Got few advanced gear but still hard to kill in my standard/half advanced stuff and I might just work harder to kill protos. I test **** out, spreading it out wide at first, make the base strong and figurw out wtf I'm gonna do with a character. I've burnt SP on stuff I might not like now but will probably try it again in the future. 1 gamestyle for 4 years will bore me making said SP Not completely wasted. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
692
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:06:00 -
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Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing
grinding to proto does not take a week....... even for weapons it takes at least to weeks, let alone the suits which statistically take about 2 months to get proto on (for racial suits). A week? yeah right, if you let a respec go out now everybody would switch to the suits that they perceive as good (which are pretty obvious) and the diversity in the game right now would plummet (as little as it is already).
And your right, CCP does take their sweet time buffing, which is why people shouldn't ask for respecs because usually they get ample time to save up SP before hand anyway. |
pamuku420tyme
RedBerry Genocide
15
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:12:00 -
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Nicholas Silverton wrote:It's because people are afraid of FOTMers. This is stupid though because grinding to proto only takes a week and ccp takes their sweet Time buffing and nerfing
A week??? are you sure cause those are 1.2mil sp and the weekly cap is slightly lower than this sooo.... i would have to venture that ur r3tarded can u do simple math?? |
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