HMG - Increase spread

AR - Increase spread, recoil/muzzle jump, add sway (all of these more so with standing/moving/running)

Mass Driver - Fine. Maybe give it an arming distance.

Flaylock - Slight buff to splash radius, RoF, and knockback on dopships.

Laser Rifle - Fix the sight, that's it.

Scrambler Rifle - Fix the sight.

Sniper Rifle - Increase scope range/add variable scopes, make the dot visible on light surfaces, buff headshot bonus.

Swarm Launchers - Add variations with better tracking, others with higher speed.

Shotguns - I dunno, are hey still broken where they have no cone of fire?

Forge Gun - Increase projectile size, making vehicle hits easier, but preventing it from hitting players between cracks or barely peeking around corners. Increase dropship knockback.

Grenades - Reduce fuse time.

Scouts - Buff speed, slightly buff armor/shield.

Heavies - Reduce movement/panning speed.

Missile/Blaster Installations - BUFF RANGE AND INCREASE THE AIM HEIGHT.

buff tanks,

Yes. Depends how much though. Despite copious tanker tears, if too much buffing is done they could very well become OP.

buff MD,

No. You even said in the OP that these were one of the main things you see on the battlefield.

buff HMG

Yes - reduce the dispersion.

buff flaylocks

Yes - Direct damage only.

buff lazers

Yes - The sight will have an effect on this.

buff scramblers

No - I use the SCR as my primary weapon all the time and it's fine.

buff scrambler pistols

No - If you can aim, these are brutally effective.

buff scouts

Absolutely. Yes yes yes.

buff heavy suits

We will see how the armour buff plays out - the turn speed increase should help as well. Commandos probably need a buff.

buff logi suits

No. They're fine. They're even better than the assaults!

buff dropsips

Yes. Definitely.

buff shotguns

Fix hit detection first.

buff breach ARs

Kind of, yes.

buff plasma cannons

Yes.

The mechanics for explosives are currently one of my major hates.

Give explosives some kind of damage fall off so that accuracy is rewarded but not essential and they'll be in a better place. CCP could probably return contact nades and flaylocks from the nerf pit if they did that too.

Tanks need a rethink from the ground up.

All the dropsuits need a redo.

CPP is working on infantry armour vs. shield.

The mechanics for explosives are currently one of my major hates.

Give explosives some kind of damage fall off so that accuracy is rewarded but not essential and they'll be in a better place. CCP could probably return contact nades and flaylocks from the nerf pit if they did that too.

Tanks need a rethink from the ground up.

All the dropsuits need a redo.

CPP is working on infantry armour vs. shield.

Allow me to list my responses.

the flaylock and massdriver server their purposes. the laser, plasma cannon, and hmg (i know the hmg balance is coming) should get balanced to bring them back into play.

if one swarm and one av grenade killed you... you shouldn't be driving a tank.

pve would decrease the nef everything part of the forums...


stupid proto bears...remove av and std tanks and just let players use a cheap soma...


im pretty sure the proto ars will damage it heavily it is a mlt tank after all..

So, funny thing. The lack of diversity is really a lack of proper balancing, and bland map design. Most of the time, there is one gun to rule them all. Then that gun get's nerfed all to hell, then there is a new one.

Also, the maps are all dominated by wide, open spaces and rolling hills. Some variety would not kill CCP (that is a sacrifice I am willing to make)

lastly, either buff your tank, or get a better tank. 1 swarm should not wipe out a tank, unless it's a proto launcher vs militia tank.

I don't really see the situation that you are claiming exists.

Some days I get Amarr Assault in my face and then it is their Logi Bros. Next it is Caldari and Minmatar (my Logi Suit of choice). Taking out Heavies (and myself when I run) is easy on some days and hard on others. Mostly depending on whether the Heavy has support or not.

The Flaylock was a miserable addition to the game. Two shot Heavy Kills from 58m. Pure BS.

The Scrambler is a energy based weapon, it will work better on shield than armor. As stated.

Taking a 5000 ehp Tank into the field will get you killed. Simple as that. Did you have a Gunner or some stupid Blue Belle that fired the front blaster continuously until it overheated? A proper Gunner makes a big difference in a smaller tank. Ask for guidance in the proper forum*.

Simply wanting buffing for the entire world doesn't make sense, although your sense of entitlement is quite striking.

it was 1 volley of militia swarms and 1 milita AV grenade, verses, my milita tank that I fitted with 5000+ehp and an armor rep.

I dnt care if my tank dies, but, it pisses me the hell off when one guy can kill my tank faster than a milita AR can kill a heavy. When 1 guy can negate all Vehicles, its a problem.

Ive seen what proto AV does. 3 proto AV grenades can destroy any vehicle in the game.

AV gear is designed to take out vehicles, in the same way that an ar is designed to take out infantry. Beef up your tank's defenses, and expect to lose anything less than proto until you learn how to really use the crap out of it. (See T8r Raid for drop ship piloting lessons. That man is a squirrely bastard when it comes to piloting)

You tank is not going to be an unstoppable death machine. We need to be able to fight back against the stupid things. We had unstoppable death machine tanks back in chromosome. It was terrible. The only purpose of running infantry back then was to feed points to tankers. We are not going back to that.

you can't make people be diverse...not in a game like this. there will always be that suite or this weapon; in eve the drake comes to mind. Give it time as more people get to the end of their specialization they will start to branch out to other areas.

thats what your not getting. I dnt care of if my tank dies. I do care when its life on the battle field is less than its life on the RDV carring it in, when only 1 person used AV.

he didnt even use proto AV either.

I use AV too. forguns.

I never said i wanted an unstoppable milita Tank. But, when you call in a tank you expect to get some use out of it, to push the line forward, abit.

I was forced to call in the tank to help my teamates who were getting slaughtered. then i drive over to them with my turret teamates in there, people start jumping out the way (perfectly fine i would too), but this one guy had swarms and a single AV grenade and destroyed my tank in 2 seconds.


yes AV is designed to destroy vehicles but your not supposed to be a 1 man asenal.
just like ARs are designed to kill infantry but ARs arent supposed to have the fire rate of an HMG and sniper damage per shot.*

If you equate the way AV kills vehicles to the way ARs kill people, if ARs were as effective as AV one guy with an AR could kill a team.


*its a comparison. i knwo ARs dnt do that damage or dps dnt troll

Well considering it's a MLT tank I think one guy with an AV weapon AND AV grenades should be able to take you out solo.

without needing proto (he is fitted for taking you out so why shouldn't he be able to?). No MLT vehicles should have a long life span (and the RDV needs to be fixed badly) as it requires no work to obtain.

A high quality tank vs a fully specced AV player is kinda like a shotgunner(tank) vs a ninja(AV) in a sense that the first person to land a successful hit is most likely the winner. If you survive getting hit first then retreat (stop going into CQC as retreat is impossible without support) because if you're a tank then you are going up against your counter and if you are the AV your fit doesn't have enough EHP to survive much more of the tank's onslaught.

ARs are designed to be an all purpose weapon (with the obvious exceptions) that allows you to survive in an array of situations.

You misunderstand me.

No, MLT AR shouldn't be able to out DPS every other gun. That's just OP for a MLT item to out do every other item.

I said the AR allows you to survive, not dominate. The MLT AR is currently a little OP and everyone knows it.

1 valley and 1 AV nade is enough vs a MLT if they are STD as that guy has put in more work then you.

AV does in fact require SP as there is no MLT AV nades.

Requiring a bunch of swarms and av nades for one MLT tank is stupid as it would be pointless to spec into AV as you would always require a full team to take out even the cheapest of threats. Keep in mind that by going swarm and AV, this guy is dead vs any infantry he comes across. Why? Because he has fitted his slots for taking you out. You, on the other hand, can take out him, his friends, and any other vehicles no matter how you fit your tank. It would just be a matter of who is specced out better for this situation.

If you have put in SP for a better tank then I suggest you USE A BETTER TANK!
I Know some excellent tankers that go around dominating solo. And when they get some infantry support they are just plain out unstoppable even against proto AV.

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perhaps. i have been on the other end using my forgun.

but, still my cerncen was mainly the amount of time my tank had to operate on the field was very short. i couldnt get any kills and my tank blew up.

I only called it in because the enemy team was spamming ARs and caldari suits so bad, i needed to do something. so, when i called it in and then 1 guy took me i was pissed. because the 15 people didt even need to bother with the tank or evern alter their strategy because this 1 guy had it all covered.

proto Av, ok. Adv ok. Std... needs to be tweaked, and milita needs to be tweaked.


I say tweaked because its nessesarily a nerf just a reaarangement of some of their attributes to keep them effective but not too effective

Think we just need bigger maps and more to do, I'm a deadly shot with anything single fire, scrambler rifle, forge gun, sniper, shotgun, but I feel like it's tough to apply when it seems like the game is trying to simulate waves and waves of enemies when it's just really a small group. I think the real fix this game needs is a slower pace, because it seems like all people care about is "how can I do the most damage in the least amount of time" or "how can I tank the most damage" so eventually you get a bunch of people spraying assault rifles, forging from rooftops, strafing like mad, and bouncing like bunnies.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying any of these are bad, hell I'm a cheap bastard with the mass driver, it's just that if you have 3 people on a rooftop forging objectives, the only way to win is to get an orbital strike. If you have a few people bombarding everyone with a mass driver, the only way you're going to win is in a distance fight or find a way to get in close with a shotgun, a few people can rush an objective and take it over if they have the right equipment, tanks can be made to be unstoppable while almost any other is just flimsy and there's not enough people with the lenience to grab an AV suit because they're all trying to keep back a couple of duvolle specialists at 1 gate.

Maybe I'm just rambling but no one gun can take down an entire squad unless the difference in SP and isk is severe so none of them are really OP, I think that if there were just more people in a match, more time to play, and more space to maneuver in, the game might be a little less like call of duty. There should be just as many if not more "calm before the storm" moments as "oh s*** what the hell is going on" moments.

I can agree with giving the MLT swarms a little negative tweaking but that's as far as I willing to go.
I've been in your position b4 and I understand how frustrating it can be to try and adapt in order to bring your team to the top of an up-hill battle only to have your every attempt countered (I'm a scout). Hang in there, Maybe by the time we are out of uprising our efforts won't always be in vein.

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Kinda hard to be good at waiting when the enemy is at you're doorstep at every turn in a match, lol hell the matches might be the things making people impatient, its just nonstop action, nonstop brainfrying situational awareness, for the people on the ground doing nothing special, just defending an objective or running in to take it, this game is fuckin stressful. Unless you're red lining how often do you get a chance to stop and catch your breath except when you're back in your prison cell? I mean warbarge apartment. :)

As a heavy...lol (CCP you really need to help these guys)

lol! agreed, didn't they say they were coming up with like an atlas suit or something? I like how they said that that's what they actually had in mind when they wanted a heavy, something that could actually stand up to a tank. Right now they're just slow infantry with double HP, great you can take twice the damage but the problem is you can't avoid any damage because you're too fat to move and the hit box is the broad side of a barn. But really any problem can be solved in the game by a squad of 6 actually sticking together and helping each other out, but no-one does this because you can run off and do your own thing and be back before anyone notices.
Alot of people say a big map wouldn't help a heavy because it's more ground to cover, first of all shaddap and get an LAV, secondly if you have a huge map, it's more encouragement to stick with your squad, because really if it would take like even a couple minutes to move between objectives you can be damn sure that alot of people wouldn't want to go alone, wait for their team to get ready and then roll up like a walking tank. That way it would also give scouts a purpose, sneaking behind and sabotaging or even doing overwatch, there's enough space to not get spotted and no-one would be looking for 1 guy off in the hills because it's a waste of time and manpower.

which is why this game feels like it's turning into another battlefield or CoD, booooooooo!

I get the impression that this game has the intention of having a larger focus on team play rather than lone wolfing, but the maps, the players, the matchmaking, the market and SP setup...I wouldn't mind if the game ALLOWED you to be a lone wolf but the way everything is set up right now, once you're at that point it's almost encouraged. Rather not have this game turn into mag, at least the aspect of where it's just a couple of people dominating the field, I still like the idea of running into an objective with only a knife and taking over, whacky stunts like that, but really that kind of stuff should be rare and far more difficult.

Well the great thing is that I can make almost any gun work, forge, sniper, smg, scrambler rifle, AR, shotty, especially MD. But it seems like some of their roles are kinda useless and then the gun is misused, mass driver is supposed to be crowd control but there's rarely any crowds so they have to drive up the damage to make it usable in 1v1, this isn't a problem for balancing this is a problem for game mechanics, allowing situations to appear where the gun can be used as intended.

I can't make these flaylocks work they were too broken.

I can use the scrambler but AR beats basically everything you listed all day

Yeah scrambler is more specialized, which is gonna suck when everyone starts armor tanking in 1.4. I mean I will be too but those extra few shots from the cooldown rate might not do too much. Ugh, mixed feelings about the update lol

Yeah scrambler is more specialized, which is gonna suck when everyone starts armor tanking in 1.4. I mean I will be too but those extra few shots from the cooldown rate might not do too much. Ugh, mixed feelings about the update lol

I put up with it for a while, it's more annoying than obstructive but I could outgun anyone except a heavy with the basic scrambler, thing is ridiculously powerful, and the new cooldown skill will just be more breathing room

Lol well aren't you special, I don't even know what the stats for that thing are. But hey I'm proud of being able to gun people down with barely any skill points invested into buffing the thing :)

Gimme Caldari Commando, a Rail Rifle, a Swarm Launcher, some Lai Dai's and various other Caldari themed good and Ill show you FW bullds like never before. Sadly I don't think Ill even subscribe to the meta or FOTM builds just themed builds with hyper awesome factionalised gear!

HMG - Release the 'scrambler cannon'.

AR - Increase spread, recoil/muzzle jump, add sway (all of these more so with standing/moving/running)

Mass Driver - Increase damage, blast radius, and blast damage significantly. Reduce clip size to 2 or 3.

Flaylock - Convert it's rounds into tiny sticky remote explosives. Give them 1 extra meter blast radius per level. increase current damage by 15% for splash.

Laser Rifle - Fix the sight, that's it. Increase zoom on sight.

Scrambler Rifle - Fix the sight. Increase zoom on sight.

Sniper Rifle - Variable scopes, make the dot visible on light surfaces, buff headshot bonus.

Swarm Launchers - Add variations: high tracking slow speed, low tracking high speed, and ultra high speed single round dumb fire (RPG-style).

Shotguns - Add variations: standard, breach, burst, and single round slug variation with some range pump action.

Forge Gun - Increase projectile size, making vehicle hits easier, but preventing it from hitting players between cracks or barely peeking around corners. Increase dropship knockback.

Grenades - Reduce Increase fuse time, increase damage, increase blast radius, increase graphical effect.

Scouts - Buff speed, slightly buff armor/shield, give an additional equipment slot, or 2. Cloak module.

Heavies - Reduce Increase movement/panning speed. Give armor/shield hardening.

Missile/Blaster Installations - BUFF RANGE AND INCREASE THE AIM HEIGHT. Make them deployable.

HMG - Release the 'scrambler cannon'.

AR - Increase spread, recoil/muzzle jump, add sway (all of these more so with standing/moving/running)

Mass Driver - Increase damage, blast radius, and blast damage significantly. Reduce clip size to 2 or 3.

Flaylock - Convert it's rounds into tiny sticky remote explosives.

Laser Rifle - Fix the sight, that's it. Increase zoom on sight.

Scrambler Rifle - Fix the sight. Increase zoom on sight.

Sniper Rifle - Variable scopes, make the dot visible on light surfaces, buff headshot bonus.

Swarm Launchers - Add variations: high tracking slow speed, low tracking high speed, and ultra high speed single round dumb fire (RPG-style).

Shotguns - Add variations: standard, breach, burst, and single round slug variation with some range pump action.

Forge Gun - Increase projectile size, making vehicle hits easier, but preventing it from hitting players between cracks or barely peeking around corners. Increase dropship knockback.

Grenades - Reduce Increase fuse time, increase damage, increase blast radius, increase graphical effect.

Scouts - Buff speed, slightly buff armor/shield, give an additional equipment slot, or 2. Cloak module.

Heavies - Reduce Increase movement/panning speed. Give armor/shield hardening.

Missile/Blaster Installations - BUFF RANGE AND INCREASE THE AIM HEIGHT. Make them deployable.

if we rebalance all the weapons, and nerf the Ar to where its supposed to be. this game can begin to take shape and grow again.

forget the CoD boys let, Cod have them. let the battlefield noobs have battlefield. people who enjoy playing a game that requires skill and tactics will have DUST. it can recooperate from this low point. but we have to fix the things. we are lossing far to many people.

Preach it sister!

Didn't occur to me till I got board and started looking at some numbers but the STD AR deals more damage per clip then a SR

Solutions? Give ARs a 2-5% damage nurf or give other bullet weapons 2-5% buff (or both). Then we can see what happens. If not enough then we can continue tweaking (Dropping AR more than 5% may be overdoing it when you could reduce it's accuracy or clip size instead).

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Another diversity issue comes from not having the basic versions of many of the suits. I'm not saying they all need to be deployed immediately, but each update should try to include (to the best of CCP's ability, as coding and balance is frikkin hard) one (1) non-specialized, basic dropsuit for any weight class/race that hasn't been introduced. Not everyone is thrilled with the Amarr heavy. People get tired of the same-old of the medium suits. Scouts need all the love they can get. For as much variation as there is to this game, diversity begins to wane, creating stale FotM outfits. Some people are so desperate for it, they turned to Mass Drivers! They began to rely on a slightly inferior weapon, coupled with a decent suit, because they got tired of the (slightly) OP Assault rifles!
If not the suits, a new gun here or there. The current line up is cool, but the usable weapons are getting tired, as only a few due what they need to do, where they need to do it. So many other options fall by the way-side.

TL;DR
Add more variation > make people happy > ???? > Sell Aurum!!!!!!

Don't flame Battlefront.

Those games are legendary. If only DUST could have game modes similar to their levels of awesomeness. Anyways, while this game does seem rather bland as of late, not all of the weapons have even been implemented. Just wait until the other 3 empires get their racial rifles. Then everything would be way more diverse.