thats what your not getting. I dnt care of if my tank dies. I do care when its life on the battle field is less than its life on the RDV carring it in, when only 1 person used AV.

he didnt even use proto AV either.

I use AV too. forguns.

I never said i wanted an unstoppable milita Tank. But, when you call in a tank you expect to get some use out of it, to push the line forward, abit.

I was forced to call in the tank to help my teamates who were getting slaughtered. then i drive over to them with my turret teamates in there, people start jumping out the way (perfectly fine i would too), but this one guy had swarms and a single AV grenade and destroyed my tank in 2 seconds.


yes AV is designed to destroy vehicles but your not supposed to be a 1 man asenal.
just like ARs are designed to kill infantry but ARs arent supposed to have the fire rate of an HMG and sniper damage per shot.*

If you equate the way AV kills vehicles to the way ARs kill people, if ARs were as effective as AV one guy with an AR could kill a team.


*its a comparison. i knwo ARs dnt do that damage or dps dnt troll

Well considering it's a MLT tank I think one guy with an AV weapon AND AV grenades should be able to take you out solo.

without needing proto (he is fitted for taking you out so why shouldn't he be able to?). No MLT vehicles should have a long life span (and the RDV needs to be fixed badly) as it requires no work to obtain.

A high quality tank vs a fully specced AV player is kinda like a shotgunner(tank) vs a ninja(AV) in a sense that the first person to land a successful hit is most likely the winner. If you survive getting hit first then retreat (stop going into CQC as retreat is impossible without support) because if you're a tank then you are going up against your counter and if you are the AV your fit doesn't have enough EHP to survive much more of the tank's onslaught.

ARs are designed to be an all purpose weapon (with the obvious exceptions) that allows you to survive in an array of situations.

You misunderstand me.

No, MLT AR shouldn't be able to out DPS every other gun. That's just OP for a MLT item to out do every other item.

I said the AR allows you to survive, not dominate. The MLT AR is currently a little OP and everyone knows it.

1 valley and 1 AV nade is enough vs a MLT if they are STD as that guy has put in more work then you.

AV does in fact require SP as there is no MLT AV nades.

Requiring a bunch of swarms and av nades for one MLT tank is stupid as it would be pointless to spec into AV as you would always require a full team to take out even the cheapest of threats. Keep in mind that by going swarm and AV, this guy is dead vs any infantry he comes across. Why? Because he has fitted his slots for taking you out. You, on the other hand, can take out him, his friends, and any other vehicles no matter how you fit your tank. It would just be a matter of who is specced out better for this situation.

If you have put in SP for a better tank then I suggest you USE A BETTER TANK!
I Know some excellent tankers that go around dominating solo. And when they get some infantry support they are just plain out unstoppable even against proto AV.

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perhaps. i have been on the other end using my forgun.

but, still my cerncen was mainly the amount of time my tank had to operate on the field was very short. i couldnt get any kills and my tank blew up.

I only called it in because the enemy team was spamming ARs and caldari suits so bad, i needed to do something. so, when i called it in and then 1 guy took me i was pissed. because the 15 people didt even need to bother with the tank or evern alter their strategy because this 1 guy had it all covered.

proto Av, ok. Adv ok. Std... needs to be tweaked, and milita needs to be tweaked.


I say tweaked because its nessesarily a nerf just a reaarangement of some of their attributes to keep them effective but not too effective

Think we just need bigger maps and more to do, I'm a deadly shot with anything single fire, scrambler rifle, forge gun, sniper, shotgun, but I feel like it's tough to apply when it seems like the game is trying to simulate waves and waves of enemies when it's just really a small group. I think the real fix this game needs is a slower pace, because it seems like all people care about is "how can I do the most damage in the least amount of time" or "how can I tank the most damage" so eventually you get a bunch of people spraying assault rifles, forging from rooftops, strafing like mad, and bouncing like bunnies.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying any of these are bad, hell I'm a cheap bastard with the mass driver, it's just that if you have 3 people on a rooftop forging objectives, the only way to win is to get an orbital strike. If you have a few people bombarding everyone with a mass driver, the only way you're going to win is in a distance fight or find a way to get in close with a shotgun, a few people can rush an objective and take it over if they have the right equipment, tanks can be made to be unstoppable while almost any other is just flimsy and there's not enough people with the lenience to grab an AV suit because they're all trying to keep back a couple of duvolle specialists at 1 gate.

Maybe I'm just rambling but no one gun can take down an entire squad unless the difference in SP and isk is severe so none of them are really OP, I think that if there were just more people in a match, more time to play, and more space to maneuver in, the game might be a little less like call of duty. There should be just as many if not more "calm before the storm" moments as "oh s*** what the hell is going on" moments.

I can agree with giving the MLT swarms a little negative tweaking but that's as far as I willing to go.
I've been in your position b4 and I understand how frustrating it can be to try and adapt in order to bring your team to the top of an up-hill battle only to have your every attempt countered (I'm a scout). Hang in there, Maybe by the time we are out of uprising our efforts won't always be in vein.

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Kinda hard to be good at waiting when the enemy is at you're doorstep at every turn in a match, lol hell the matches might be the things making people impatient, its just nonstop action, nonstop brainfrying situational awareness, for the people on the ground doing nothing special, just defending an objective or running in to take it, this game is fuckin stressful. Unless you're red lining how often do you get a chance to stop and catch your breath except when you're back in your prison cell? I mean warbarge apartment. :)

As a heavy...lol (CCP you really need to help these guys)

lol! agreed, didn't they say they were coming up with like an atlas suit or something? I like how they said that that's what they actually had in mind when they wanted a heavy, something that could actually stand up to a tank. Right now they're just slow infantry with double HP, great you can take twice the damage but the problem is you can't avoid any damage because you're too fat to move and the hit box is the broad side of a barn. But really any problem can be solved in the game by a squad of 6 actually sticking together and helping each other out, but no-one does this because you can run off and do your own thing and be back before anyone notices.
Alot of people say a big map wouldn't help a heavy because it's more ground to cover, first of all shaddap and get an LAV, secondly if you have a huge map, it's more encouragement to stick with your squad, because really if it would take like even a couple minutes to move between objectives you can be damn sure that alot of people wouldn't want to go alone, wait for their team to get ready and then roll up like a walking tank. That way it would also give scouts a purpose, sneaking behind and sabotaging or even doing overwatch, there's enough space to not get spotted and no-one would be looking for 1 guy off in the hills because it's a waste of time and manpower.

which is why this game feels like it's turning into another battlefield or CoD, booooooooo!

I get the impression that this game has the intention of having a larger focus on team play rather than lone wolfing, but the maps, the players, the matchmaking, the market and SP setup...I wouldn't mind if the game ALLOWED you to be a lone wolf but the way everything is set up right now, once you're at that point it's almost encouraged. Rather not have this game turn into mag, at least the aspect of where it's just a couple of people dominating the field, I still like the idea of running into an objective with only a knife and taking over, whacky stunts like that, but really that kind of stuff should be rare and far more difficult.

Well the great thing is that I can make almost any gun work, forge, sniper, smg, scrambler rifle, AR, shotty, especially MD. But it seems like some of their roles are kinda useless and then the gun is misused, mass driver is supposed to be crowd control but there's rarely any crowds so they have to drive up the damage to make it usable in 1v1, this isn't a problem for balancing this is a problem for game mechanics, allowing situations to appear where the gun can be used as intended.

I can't make these flaylocks work they were too broken.

I can use the scrambler but AR beats basically everything you listed all day

Yeah scrambler is more specialized, which is gonna suck when everyone starts armor tanking in 1.4. I mean I will be too but those extra few shots from the cooldown rate might not do too much. Ugh, mixed feelings about the update lol

Yeah scrambler is more specialized, which is gonna suck when everyone starts armor tanking in 1.4. I mean I will be too but those extra few shots from the cooldown rate might not do too much. Ugh, mixed feelings about the update lol

I put up with it for a while, it's more annoying than obstructive but I could outgun anyone except a heavy with the basic scrambler, thing is ridiculously powerful, and the new cooldown skill will just be more breathing room

Lol well aren't you special, I don't even know what the stats for that thing are. But hey I'm proud of being able to gun people down with barely any skill points invested into buffing the thing :)