Your forgetting triage hives easy 220 rep per cycle.

Although I do kinda like my unique 1hp/s armor regen on my minny assault.

I completely agree with this, however I do think that if armor reps are going to be different on a class by class basis then shield regen should also be different on a class by class basis.

Well technically they already are, Caldaris have a higher and faster regen while Caldari have a lower and slower regen.

i guess i meant on a race by race basis sorry lol.

I do agree on the class basis too which the assault bonus has already taken care of (but I think should be changed and having the base regen buffed to match)

(but I think should be changed and having the base regen buffed to match)

What is the gallente shield regen? Is it not the same 20 as caldaris have?

I mean the the assault bonus should be changed to something better and the base regen should be equal to what is it now with assault 5.

Lastly the bonus to shield repair for the assault suits should be removed and replaced with 2-3% light weapon damage and the level 5 old upgraded added to the dropsuits themselves, so by default Caldari assaults suits will repair shields at 31.25 etc, the Logistics role bonus should also be removed and replaced with the Gallente role bonus, and the Gallente role bonus replaced with something else, and the numbers posted above added to the default logistics suits.

Gallente assault is 25 and Gallente logistics is 15, Caldari assault is 31.25 and Caldari Logistics is 20.

Also what you is already on my OP

Passive Armor Rep is BAD.

It makes the usage of Armor Reps obsolete.

Why Skill into Armor reps when you don't need them?

To get a faster recharge, at the cost of 150 HP?

They'd be like Shield Rechargers. Sure probably SOMEONE uses them, but they are useless due to the fact that shields recharge naturally.

Sure, SOMEONE might use them after they implement this, but why? You can get WAY more Buffer, by using those slots for Plates, and you still recharge!

-1. Making a type of mods completely pointless is bad design. Point in case, Rechargers. The Reps are a part of the Armor Tanking lifestyle. If the 1.5 Penalty is introduced, which I hope it is, then Shield and Armor Tanks will need the same amount of Skills to be fully effective. Tada.

EDIT- Or, if you do this, Make Plates give similar HP bonuses to extenders.

Passive Armor Rep is BAD.

It makes the usage of Armor Reps obsolete.

Why Skill into Armor reps when you don't need them?

To get a faster recharge, at the cost of 150 HP?

They'd be like Shield Rechargers. Sure probably SOMEONE uses them, but they are useless due to the fact that shields recharge naturally.

Sure, SOMEONE might use them after they implement this, but why? You can get WAY more Buffer, by using those slots for Plates, and you still recharge!

-1. Making a type of mods completely pointless is bad design. Point in case, Rechargers. The Reps are a part of the Armor Tanking lifestyle. If the 1.5 Penalty is introduced, which I hope it is, then Shield and Armor Tanks will need the same amount of Skills to be fully effective. Tada.

EDIT- Or, if you do this, Make Plates give similar HP bonuses to extenders.

220 or 22? Isn't a cycle every second.

Not necessarily since the repair is not high enough to sustain an armor suit for a long time, for example to fully repair a Gallente Assault with 4 enhanced armor plates with a would take 1 minute 40 seconds with a passive repair of 8, vs a shield suit taking which would repair fully in less than 30 seconds. Adding a armor repairer to that suit loses 135 armor but your armor can repair fully in 47 seconds so its still very beneficial to use armor repairers.

Not necessarily, energizers are used a lot by shield tankers, it was just that rechargers were UP.

i said per cycle as your not neccesarily the one getting the reps each cycle if theres a crowd of people, as for the 220, thats the 2 repping nanohives that arent the compact both can drop 2:

k17/D nanohive 2 max active reps 20hp per cycle = 40

Allotek Nanohive 2 max active reps 40hp per cycle = 80

Wirykomi Triage Nanohive 2 max activbe reps 70hp per cycle = 140

so just the proto ones your looking at 220 per cycle with the k17 your looking at 260 per cycle per logistics suit. just try breaking a proto heavy sitting in the big blue bubbles especially after the 1.4 buffs.

Yes, but do you think that it would even be worth it?

Survive longer under fire, or rep back health in 47 seconds.....

Live to rep slowly..... Or Die, and have that rep mean nothing, when you could have fit more Plates....

This wouldn't fix the issue of Dual Tanking, and it would just make ANOTHER mod useless.

Armor Reppers could be tacked on to the other Mods that have no real purpose, like......

Profile Dampners
Melee Mods
Precision Enhancers
Long Range Scanners
Shield Regulators
Shield Rechargers
Cardiac Regulators
Sidearm Damage Mods

Its the first thing on your pro list. Makes Pure Armor Viable.

Compared to Pure Shield, it is, but due to EVERYBODY dual tanking, due to it being completely and utterly better, all this is for moot.

Eliminate Dual Tanking=All the Tanking Styles are Viable.

Passive Armor rep=OP Armor Suits

I say it will make Armor suits OP, as like I said, it really doesn't matter of you Rep in 1 minute thirty, or 47 seconds, cause if survive the fight, you win. Technically, if you compare Pure Armor To Pure Shield, Armor Has way more HP, and Way more damage output, due to open highs.

Its only cause Pure Armor Versus Dual, is really one-sided. I have a huge Buffer that regens quite fast, and a mega-huge buffer that regens slow.

Right now, after 1.4, 4 Enhance Plates (as one Slot is taken by Repper, Versus 5 Comp Extenders, makes it.....

Armor Gets 460 More HP, going Pure Armor....

Shield gets 330 going Pure Shield....

Both Combined equals (Assuming a Gal Suit, which I think is 4 Highs, 5 lows at Proto)..... 724.

Now, We can all see the main outlier in this equation.

So, if we calculate that this is done, that leaves Armor at.... 575.

Much higher then shield, Much less the Dual.

tl;dr, As Blacks OP says, its the Dual tanking Caldari Suits that are throwing the balance of Shield and armor off.

After 1.4, leave Armor alone, and give Shields their GD penalty. (Strange, I'm a Shield Tanker, and I want them to be worse ) Dual tanking will be Much Less Viable, but if necessary, Give the Pure Armor Tankers a Mod to counteract their Penalty.

I think that Dual tanking will always be here, but making their life as much of a hell as possible is very good.

Caldari A/L/S - 1/3
Minmatar A/L/S - 3/5/7
Gallente A/L/S - 8/10/12
Amarr A/L/H/C - 7/9/7/8

This is a no. Gallente should have the highest but Minmatar should be second. Amarr is supposed to be huge buffer. Gallente is repair.

This is o.p. for armor, also mimnatar is the naturally regen guy so yeah I do not support this

Also with thid you could easily get like 25-30. Rep per second even while being shot so your essentially negating 25 dps

Its actually a bit more than 30 due go efficiency bonus, and you be neggating so much damage ypu wouldn't need health 37 dps is now 7 dps and when they reload you've already gained 60+ healthy back

i dunno. i really like this idea, but some of those numbers are still a little high. i don't think any of the shield based suits (exept for logi) should get more than 2 armor repair a second, and maybe even the logi no more than 5. because they already have shields that regen, and armor is just a backup

also even some of the ones for the gallente suits where pretty high, and need to be lowered just a tad.

oh and CCP already beat you to this, i don't know if you noticed but Minmatar Assault already has 1 HP/S armor repair on it XD i love me ma 1 hp/s, it has never saved my lilfe once... but it does allow me to go hide in a building alone and contemplate my life while my 135 armor slowly slowly regains from the 10 that it was at. then in 2-3 minutes i'm good to get back into the battle for a couple of seconds!

This gets a no from me.

First off, dual tanking is its own beast and is easy for Armor AND shields if your talking about true dual tanking and not the use of a single mod. Remove Ferros if you want to they do nothing for armor tankers.

Second, the repair rates for both are very comparable. Armor will have the advantage in short 15 secs or less fights due to the shield delay. You assuming 60 secs is the fault of your argument as no firefight lasts 60 seconds. If your talking 1v1 then one of you is dead by this point. Shields will have the advantage in between skirmishes until armor whips out the triage hives or rep tool where they then have the advantage.

One thing you must remember is that armor tankers have their shields up front acting as buffer resistance and quick regen. It may only be your base shields but 100hp+ will help a lot in short fights (which most fights are). Shields have no passive armor regen unless logi and get little resistance buffer from it.

There is no big resistance difference between shields and armor...seriously none. If you think explosive weapons are so powerful (they are supposed to be 120% to armor) then imagine shields facing a laser (120% to shields) which do similar damage but have about 5x the range. There are more viable lasers then there is viable explosive weapons.

Gal Logis will be more powerful than Cal Logis just from the bonus as there rep rate will be 17.5 vs Cal 20 assuming 2 reppers. If you want passive armor regen go Logi. Don't bring that into the other suits.

Passive Armor Rep is BAD.

It makes the usage of Armor Reps obsolete.

Why Skill into Armor reps when you don't need them?

To get a faster recharge, at the cost of 150 HP?

They'd be like Shield Rechargers. Sure probably SOMEONE uses them, but they are useless due to the fact that shields recharge naturally.

Sure, SOMEONE might use them after they implement this, but why? You can get WAY more Buffer, by using those slots for Plates, and you still recharge!

-1. Making a type of mods completely pointless is bad design. Point in case, Rechargers. The Reps are a part of the Armor Tanking lifestyle. If the 1.5 Penalty is introduced, which I hope it is, then Shield and Armor Tanks will need the same amount of Skills to be fully effective. Tada.

EDIT- Or, if you do this, Make Plates give similar HP bonuses to extenders.

No. Time to realize that there will be differences with armor/shield tanking, and regen is one of them. If you're sad your armor is being depleted on your shield suit, there are nanohives that will fix that problem for you. The fact that you realize these exist, but state that their under-utilization is cause for an across-the-board buff for passive armor regen, hurts your argument.

Given that there are solutions for a depleted armor amount--namely armor rep nanohives and Logi mercs--there doesn't need to be a buff so much as everyone needs to realize and use the tools at their disposal. This is a team game, and teams of people should think about coordinating their actions so that their team is stronger overall. If one more merc has to step up with a repair tool, then so be it. Problem solved.

Another thing to realize is that there's going to be fitting choices. Do I have more buffer? More repair? Faster shield regen? More shields? Etc. Some of those fitting choices are going to mean that you can't have everything you want. If you want to repair your armor, use the module for that (or, of course, the aforementioned hive/Logi). "But I want to use that lowslot for an energizer!" Well, then you don't have armor repair. That's the way fitting choices work.

If any buffs are needed, I would submit that the actual armor repair amounts provided by the modules themselves could use a slight bump, but only because armor repair---which happens regardless of in-combat or out--is supposed to be an "over-the-course-of-the-fight" type of tank. Meaning, shield is about buffer (surviving long enough in combat using speed/raw shield amount to kill before being killed) and armor is about tanking sustained damage while killing your opponent. At least that's what their regen/module active time/etc. indicate. However, with the armor plate buff incoming, it would seem that CCP has in mind that an armor buffer *could* be larger than a shield buffer, albeit with a speed penalty, but of course it would not regen at that point.