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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:03:00 -
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With 1.4 I have no complaints. I actually see some great unexpected changes (Scrambler Rifle buff FTW), but I am worried about how easy it will be for me to see the health of allies.
As of right now, it still takes some effort to aim at my teammates when they are far away...and even then, I can't easily tell who is in need of help and who isnt.
I fully agree with the removal of friendly player icons from the sides of the screen, but how will this affect my ability to quickly address a situation? will I still be able to see friendlies' health when they are nearby? Or will my best bet be to find a random squad?
I tend to work alone these days...and I don't just support my squad members even if I am in a squad. __________________________
I could be totally wrong here so excuse me if I have read the patch notes wrong...but this could be a big downside for me as a logi.
Maybe the solution would be some more icons to represent a player that is below a certain % of armor who needs reps, similar to the icon for a downed player? |
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DS 10
Pure Innocence. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:05:00 -
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I think players with rep tools in their equipment slot should be able to see teammates' armor HP more easily than without a rep tool in the slot. I don't know how difficult that would be to implement though. |
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:07:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:I think players with rep tools in their equipment slot should be able to see teammates' armor HP more easily than without a rep tool in the slot. I don't know how difficult that would be to implement though.
Maybe the icon would only show up if you have a repair tool equipped |
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:17:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:DS 10 wrote:I think players with rep tools in their equipment slot should be able to see teammates' armor HP more easily than without a rep tool in the slot. I don't know how difficult that would be to implement though. Maybe the icon would only show up if you have a repair tool equipped Just like with the Nanite Injector.
Signal boost this ****. Get everyone in here so we can make this happen. |
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1778
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:20:00 -
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Gonna need to start scanning your allies for sure now, and listen carefully for rep call outs from squadmates...
Gonna be... interesting... for sure.
I would totally support health bars showing when people have armor damage when you have a rep tool equipped, that would be a nice change. |
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DS 10
Pure Innocence. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:25:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:DS 10 wrote:I think players with rep tools in their equipment slot should be able to see teammates' armor HP more easily than without a rep tool in the slot. I don't know how difficult that would be to implement though. Maybe the icon would only show up if you have a repair tool equipped Just like with the Nanite Injector. Signal boost this ****. Get everyone in here so we can make this happen.
Yup. People already don't use reps very often. Even if it was just for your squad, it would help. Maybe have the teammate's chevron pulse like a heartbeat or something when they're below 30% of their armor. |
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3240
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:27:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:DS 10 wrote:I think players with rep tools in their equipment slot should be able to see teammates' armor HP more easily than without a rep tool in the slot. I don't know how difficult that would be to implement though. Maybe the icon would only show up if you have a repair tool equipped Just like with the Nanite Injector. Signal boost this ****. Get everyone in here so we can make this happen. Yup. People already don't use reps very often. Even if it was just for your squad, it would help. Maybe have the teammate's chevron pulse like a heartbeat or something when they're below 30% of their armor. That's another good suggestion.
Allows a Logi player to see which players need their help most without having to pan around and waste time. |
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broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:27:00 -
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You realise we haven't actually seen the changes yet? We can't speculate what it will be like until its here and we give it a try. |
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
325
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:28:00 -
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Agreed.
Oooh and CCP while you are at it, give the triage hives some love with a different color or something so the blueberries can swarm to it :) (this smiley is for you CCP Mintship, I hope you read this!) |
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1778
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:29:00 -
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broonfondle majikthies wrote:You realise we haven't actually seen the changes yet? We can't speculate what it will be like until its here and we give it a try.
We can speculate all day... that's the definition of the word. |
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broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:32:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:broonfondle majikthies wrote:You realise we haven't actually seen the changes yet? We can't speculate what it will be like until its here and we give it a try. We can speculate all day... that's the definition of the word. *sigh* I have dyslexia, give me a break. I'm struggling to get the words spelt right so you can understand. Grammar is a distant secondary priority.
You know what I mean, we have nothing to go on. Its all hearsay and conjecture and we won't know if it will work until we try it |
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:37:00 -
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broonfondle majikthies wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:broonfondle majikthies wrote:You realise we haven't actually seen the changes yet? We can't speculate what it will be like until its here and we give it a try. We can speculate all day... that's the definition of the word. *sigh* I have dyslexia, give me a break. I'm struggling to get the words spelt right so you can understand. Grammar is a distant secondary priority. You know what I mean, we have nothing to go on. Its all hearsay and conjecture and we won't know if it will work until we try it
This is what forums are for though, speculating on new changes and then giving feedback once we've tried them.
These kinds of posts are a good thing dude, encourage these types of posts. They are much more productive than whining and bitching about how you can no longer see health bars and you are quitting the game. Am I wrong? |
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:54:00 -
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Yeah, this post isn't here to tell CCP that they should have done A rather than B, but instead to bring up a perspective that they might not have looked at.
For instance, the new system is great for assaults/heavies/scouts/sqauds who don't want blue dots cluttering up their HUD, but is bad for logistics who need to know where their teammates are at all times. |
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broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:02:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:broonfondle majikthies wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:broonfondle majikthies wrote:You realise we haven't actually seen the changes yet? We can't speculate what it will be like until its here and we give it a try. We can speculate all day... that's the definition of the word. *sigh* I have dyslexia, give me a break. I'm struggling to get the words spelt right so you can understand. Grammar is a distant secondary priority. You know what I mean, we have nothing to go on. Its all hearsay and conjecture and we won't know if it will work until we try it This is what forums are for though, speculating on new changes and then giving feedback once we've tried them. These kinds of posts are a good thing dude, encourage these types of posts. They are much more productive than whining and bitching about how you can no longer see health bars and you are quitting the game. Am I wrong? I'm not discouraging the post, its a valid point that logi's need to be able to see players health but as this is a totally new system and we don't even have a screenshot of in game action post patch why should we assume you won't get enough information to know who to help? After all, from what little we do know, if you decided to run knives (mad I know) then you wouldn't get player feed until your right next to them, right? But all we have is a short description to go on. Who knows, it might be something easily adapted to. and your right, not constructive to whine after the fact |
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Jade Hasegawa
Intrepidus XI EoN.
57
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:10:00 -
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broonfondle majikthies wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:broonfondle majikthies wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:broonfondle majikthies wrote:You realise we haven't actually seen the changes yet? We can't speculate what it will be like until its here and we give it a try. We can speculate all day... that's the definition of the word. *sigh* I have dyslexia, give me a break. I'm struggling to get the words spelt right so you can understand. Grammar is a distant secondary priority. You know what I mean, we have nothing to go on. Its all hearsay and conjecture and we won't know if it will work until we try it This is what forums are for though, speculating on new changes and then giving feedback once we've tried them. These kinds of posts are a good thing dude, encourage these types of posts. They are much more productive than whining and bitching about how you can no longer see health bars and you are quitting the game. Am I wrong? I'm not discouraging the post, its a valid point that logi's need to be able to see players health but as this is a totally new system and we don't even have a screenshot of in game action post patch why should we assume you won't get enough information to know who to help? After all, from what little we do know, if you decided to run knives (mad I know) then you wouldn't get player feed until your right next to them, right? But all we have is a short description to go on. Who knows, it might be something easily adapted to. and your right, not constructive to whine after the fact Its an interesting change to be certain,my only concern I like knowing where the blueberries are on the team, I dont want to go into an objective without support, sometimes mey friends are not online and I dont want to be running solointo trouble soknowing a smurf or 2 are around helps me |
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Hawkings Greenback
Red Star Jr. EoN.
72
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:12:00 -
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broonfondle majikthies wrote:You realise we haven't actually seen the changes yet? We can't speculate what it will be like until its here and we give it a try.
CCP have seen the changes & could explain a little better to avoid some of the problems we have seen over the recent months. Also there is nothing wrong with speculation & trying to better an idea before it is put in game. |
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:13:00 -
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How about you guys get a nanohive icon as well? I'd love to the shoot at you then at the ground but I'm out of ammo, and I certainly don't have time to send you an in-game message. =( |
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:58:00 -
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As a Logibro I support this thread. However, I'm also moving it to Feedback/Requests. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
1942
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:52:00 -
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I've already retired the needle on most of my suits due to lack of use, I'd hate to come to the conclusion that the rep-tool isn't worth the slot too. |
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Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.23 19:11:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I've already retired the needle on most of my suits due to lack of use, I'd hate to come to the conclusion that the rep-tool isn't worth the slot too. It really isn't...A movie a friend made about nano hives, notice the triage points in an ambush match |
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
686
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Posted - 2013.08.23 20:13:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:As a Logibro I support this thread. However, I'm also moving it to Feedback/Requests.
Thank you, I would have done it myself if I had the powers that be... |
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sQuatch78
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.23 20:20:00 -
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Great post on this topic.
Since we are wearing highly advanced dropsuits, its a bit odd that all suits have the same HUD.
Maybe have role-specific HUDs that address these points. Logis could have icons of squad mates on the top or left/right of main view with health indicators. Think LoL/Dota2 overlays to get an idea. you don't have to reinvent the wheel every time CCP ;)
cheers, sQuatch |
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Vin Vicious
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2013.08.23 20:34:00 -
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If its possible, only show people's health bars if they have received armor damage |
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Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
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Posted - 2013.08.23 22:14:00 -
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I agree with this. Wouldnt it be nice to make a change within the suits themselves, so logistics suits see this information while assault and other types dont? This could become a feature very important to distinguishing role types and discouraging their use as a different role, while not making it impossible. Because its the little things that count. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.08.23 22:43:00 -
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I run a similar fitting. That setup is legit. |
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Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
1637
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Posted - 2013.08.26 16:25:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I run a similar fitting. That setup is legit. Yeah odd that the triage award is capped on the repair tool but not on the repair hives... ![P](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_p.png) |
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
699
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Posted - 2013.08.26 20:38:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Cosgar wrote:I run a similar fitting. That setup is legit. Yeah odd that the triage award is capped on the repair tool but not on the repair hives... ![P](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_p.png)
Probably because you can't repair vehicles with them... |
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Sarducar Kahn
xCosmic Voidx The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.08.26 21:23:00 -
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As a drive and pilot I need to see the health of my gunners so I know when to run and save their suits. Please let me keep health bars for people in my vehicles. They might not have changed it, and shouldn't have but some confirmation would be lovely. |
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.26 21:44:00 -
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Sarducar Kahn wrote:As a drive and pilot I need to see the health of my gunners so I know when to run and save their suits. Please let me keep health bars for people in my vehicles. They might not have changed it, and shouldn't have but some confirmation would be lovely.
The best solution for this would be health bars down in the corner with your vehicle above each "dot" where a player is in the vehicle. They could also be color coded to represent who's almost dead, etc. |
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Princeps Marcellus
Expert Intervention Caldari State
183
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:33:00 -
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I'd also like it if we could see the actual armor units (180/180) that people have, because I'd really like to be able to focus my healing on armor tankers, and it would be great if there was a way to tell if someone was an armor tanker. |
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
730
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Posted - 2013.09.01 07:03:00 -
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Princeps Marcellus wrote:I'd also like it if we could see the actual armor units (180/180) that people have, because I'd really like to be able to focus my healing on armor tankers, and it would be great if there was a way to tell if someone was an armor tanker.
Someone once suggested that the health bars should be replaced with a single health bar, shields being blue and armor being green. The biggest advantage of this method is the fact that when shields go down, it looks like a player is half dead when that really isn't the case at all...so it would eliminate any confusion about how much health a player has. For an enemy, shields would be blue and armor red.
Better yet, I also support some sort of change in icons for the different dropsuits just as we have different icons for vehicles.
For instance a heavy would maybe be two chevrons, a logi would have a small cross, assaults are one chevron, and scouts are a chevron with a dot.. |
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:06:00 -
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bump |
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Jack Kittinger
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:39:00 -
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I second that |
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The-Errorist
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.03 23:19:00 -
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What is wrong with CCP!? |
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Thrydwulf Khodan
DUST University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2013.09.04 12:04:00 -
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DUST 514 Website wrote:http://dust514.com/universe/dropsuits/The Logistics dropsuit is outfitted with the latest in diagnostic technology, to help the wearer maintain the condition and efficiency of squad-mates and their equipment. A soldier in a logistics dropsuit can greatly improve the overall effectiveness of his group, and fills a vital tactical role in small-unit operations and full-scale warfare by providing both medical and mechanical support.
Removing the ability of the Logistic/Logibro from being able to see the condition of his squadmates who are in close proximity (25m) is contrary to the stated 'mission' of the Logistics suit.
Logibros have the training to use the logistics suit to monitor the flow of battle and provide support where it is needed. If you're not trained in the art of using a logistics suit, or aren't using a 'Neo' suit, then I could see not being able to track the medical or mechanical needs of your team.
But right now, "my suit doesn't work right." I would like to believe that it is a 'programming malfunction' from the manufacturer that has injected the issue. It appears as though they have removed the 'latest in diagnostics technology' and put it on par with a standard Assault/Heavy/Scout suit.
My repper isn't giving the statistics tracking feedback like standard weapons, I activate it and it isn't providing the information. Which means they broke both my logistics suit and my repper.
Help me to better support my squad and team. |
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Piraten Hovnoret
BIG BAD W0LVES
25
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Posted - 2013.09.04 12:17:00 -
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HELL YEAH FIX IT CCP.... |
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Jack Kittinger
DUST University Ivy League
35
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:18:00 -
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Thrydwulf Khodan wrote:DUST 514 Website wrote:http://dust514.com/universe/dropsuits/The Logistics dropsuit is outfitted with the latest in diagnostic technology, to help the wearer maintain the condition and efficiency of squad-mates and their equipment.. Removing the ability of the Logistic/Logibro from being able to see the condition of his squadmates who are in close proximity (25m) is contrary to the stated 'mission' of the Logistics suit.
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:39:00 -
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This is the biggest downfall of 1.4 changes aside from the matchmaking bugs.'
Logi's need to be able assess quick triage priority for fellow teammates on the battlefield. Friendly health bars need to be visible to Logistics players for anyone who is within range of the farthest ranged repper available. I will deal with the clutter...what I cannot deal with is not being able to properly assess those players around me.
This needs to be addressed by 1.5 or we are going to see a significant number of Logistics players not filling their proper role on the battlefield. |
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:09:00 -
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Agree massively with what's been said, as a dedicated Logi I too have dropped the needle as its pointless, but killing the rep tool too? That's just harsh, we already get ganked over WP for half the work we do, now we have to work even harder just to get those few WP we were getting.
Please take a look at the backlog and bump this task in priority!
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:47:00 -
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This needs to be fix within the next couple of weeks. My corpmates are starting to call out when they need reps to compensate but it's just one more thing for them to do and I prefer that they stay focused on the enemy. |
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:57:00 -
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They should really just make it an option to change how we want to view blue dots. If I want to see blue dots on my map, then I should be able to.
I can understand why they changed it for your enemies so that you only see the health of a person you're targeting, but I never had a problem with friendly health bars and such. |
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DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.05 14:55:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:As a Logibro I support this thread. However, I'm also moving it to Feedback/Requests.
Any news on this? |
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Posted - 2013.09.05 15:58:00 -
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Jack Kittinger wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:As a Logibro I support this thread. However, I'm also moving it to Feedback/Requests. Any news on this?
It's on the Feedback board under this link:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1239676#post1239676
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Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.05 16:00:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Keep in mind I made this thread a week ago. I'm bumping this because apparently it didn't get enough attention when we didn't have the problem in 1.3. Apparently I was right. ______________________
With 1.4 I have no complaints. I actually see some great unexpected changes (Scrambler Rifle buff FTW), but I am worried about how easy it will be for me to see the health of allies.
As of right now, it still takes some effort to aim at my teammates when they are far away...and even then, I can't easily tell who is in need of help and who isnt.
I fully agree with the removal of friendly player icons from the sides of the screen, but how will this affect my ability to quickly address a situation? will I still be able to see friendlies' health when they are nearby? Or will my best bet be to find a random squad?
I tend to work alone these days...and I don't just support my squad members even if I am in a squad. __________________________
I could be totally wrong here so excuse me if I have read the patch notes wrong...but this could be a big downside for me as a logi.
Maybe the solution would be some more icons to represent a player that is below a certain % of armor who needs reps, similar to the icon for a downed player?
the problem with running rep tools right now is if their using a weapon they've put skillpoints into your dead before you can get reps, fit a repping hive or a scanner would be a better use for that equipment slot till they tweak aim assist down a little bit(and i mean a little bit its not completely broken its just making the militia assault rifle able to eat a full tank proto suit in seconds) |
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:16:00 -
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I actually replaced my repair tool with a scanner, It seems to be much more help anyways, even if I don't get more points for it. |
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:30:00 -
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I think having a real small bar under a players tag that displays the armour left ratio whenever a player DOES NOT have full armour should be added for ANY character that has a repair tool equipped. Repping is not limited to logis, if you equip it you need to be able to get some feedback on when to use it. |
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:32:00 -
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IMO it should be a TOP priority to fix something when you break it. Guess not though. |
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Posted - 2013.09.07 03:57:00 -
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Thrydwulf Khodan wrote:DUST 514 Website wrote:http://dust514.com/universe/dropsuits/The Logistics dropsuit is outfitted with the latest in diagnostic technology, to help the wearer maintain the condition and efficiency of squad-mates and their equipment. A soldier in a logistics dropsuit can greatly improve the overall effectiveness of his group, and fills a vital tactical role in small-unit operations and full-scale warfare by providing both medical and mechanical support. Removing the ability of the Logistic/Logibro from being able to see the condition of his squadmates who are in close proximity (25m) is contrary to the stated 'mission' of the Logistics suit. Logibros have the training to use the logistics suit to monitor the flow of battle and provide support where it is needed. If you're not trained in the art of using a logistics suit, or aren't using a 'Neo' suit, then I could see not being able to track the medical or mechanical needs of your team. But right now, "my suit doesn't work right." I would like to believe that it is a 'programming malfunction' from the manufacturer that has injected the issue. It appears as though they have removed the 'latest in diagnostics technology' and put it on par with a standard Assault/Heavy/Scout suit. My repper isn't giving the statistics tracking feedback like standard weapons, I activate it and it isn't providing the information. Which means they broke both my logistics suit and my repper. Help me to better support my squad and team.
Pretty much this.
Injectors and Repair Tools were already in need of some love when compared with other equipment and these changes have hit them yet again. Even leaving aside my long standing comments about the scaling of the WP awards for equipment the mechanical aspects effecting the Injector and Repair Tool, both bug and some of the "as intended", render them nearly useless for high level play.
There are some on these forums who like to complain about the heavy level of uplink use.... well give us back functional ways to keep our teams in fighting form without respawning and those uplinks won't be so pervasively required for effective play.
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Posted - 2013.09.07 06:43:00 -
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LOL at CCP and their priorities...it's that why we have seen so much updates of GRAPHICS and SOUNDS in 1.4 and crappy EVENTS? Priorities indeed. |
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Posted - 2013.09.07 11:20:00 -
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With the ability to hit much more often and much more accurately (and now with more magnetism) the difference between dead clone and unrecoverable clone is very slim.
I've removed the stick from most of my logi suits (Minmatar means I've got less eHP despite slightly more speed so trying to get to the rare downed but not destroyed ally is practically impossible) and I use my suits configured with scanners instead.
I suggest increasing the buffer between down and destroyed so that there is more temptation to use a stick, which will cause me to die a lot trying to revive my allies.
But that is what LogiBros are for. |
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:56:00 -
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Yep I'll add my bit to this one, I cannot see at a glance who needs reps and who doesn't this is surely a must.
How can this be right I mean I haven't played PC battles yet but comms were chaotic enough before the new patch now you've basically blindfolded the logi theres gonna be even more clutter.
there's no point in giving me a rep tool with no idea who to rep, thats like giving the rest of the squad guns and making the enemy invisible.
CCP without logis people will see their aurum gear disappear and stop spending on it, hitting you in the pocket so come on turn on the bars for rep tool carriers you know it makes sense. It can't be that hard. |
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Posted - 2013.09.07 16:55:00 -
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Sparadok wrote:Yep I'll add my bit to this one, I cannot see at a glance who needs reps and who doesn't this is surely a must.
How can this be right I mean I haven't played PC battles yet but comms were chaotic enough before the new patch now you've basically blindfolded the logi theres gonna be even more clutter.
there's no point in giving me a rep tool with no idea who to rep, thats like giving the rest of the squad guns and making the enemy invisible.
CCP without logis people will see their aurum gear disappear and stop spending on it, hitting you in the pocket so come on turn on the bars for rep tool carriers you know it makes sense. It can't be that hard.
Exactly, and they can keep the clutter down by having smaller bars that only show when the person does not have full shields or armour (with different colours for the two as someone else indicated). I want to amend my earlier thought and include shield health so you can see the ratio of shield to armour and know to start repping someone when they are low on shields BEFORE they take armour damage for those true logis, |
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Posted - 2013.09.07 17:00:00 -
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Andris Kronis wrote:With the ability to hit much more often and much more accurately (and now with more magnetism) the difference between dead clone and unrecoverable clone is very slim.
I've removed the stick from most of my logi suits (Minmatar means I've got less eHP despite slightly more speed so trying to get to the rare downed but not destroyed ally is practically impossible) and I use my suits configured with scanners instead.
I suggest increasing the buffer between down and destroyed so that there is more temptation to use a stick, which will cause me to die a lot trying to revive my allies.
But that is what LogiBros are for.
I agree fully on the needle. Another problem is with the mass driver blast radius if anyone on the other side is using one and points it even remotely close to your direction your downed clone is instantly terminated. I think it should require direct damage to kill a clone. Like a bullet to the head!
I used to only run the needle on every suit but never do anymore (disclaimer I'm an assault so I only have one slot). |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:11:00 -
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Yep, this sucks and needs to be a higher priority - in my opinion, as a dedicated logi medic. AND reptool animation, lock-on time, and injection animation time reduced. |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:36:00 -
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I am glad someone bumped this thread up again. Still a prevailing issue for triage-based Logistics players. And with TTK significantly reduced due to recent changes the need for split-second assessment is more vital than ever before.
It would be nice if CCP could at least acknowledge the issue, comment on possible solutions and perhaps clarify whether or not this is going to be addressed in a future update. ![Question](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_questionmark.png) |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:13:00 -
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They have commented on it, but it is a low priority or "on the back burner" from what I remember seeing in other comments. They know about it but players like us will just have to wait. Hopefully there will be the Vehicle retooling then the suit releases and weapon balancing and last of all Equipment and Skill re working.
Personally I would like to see suits and skills worked out first, then equipment, then vehicles . But my priorities differ because of my play style, just as most people harp about what is important to them, or what they are being killed by the most. |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:24:00 -
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i think sqaud members shud be able to check eachother's health like before your squad's suits are conected to eachother so not being able to do a simple health monitoring or seeing there pasive scan is illogical when equiped whit a logistic suit we are expected to have advanced sensor's in the suit to find micrafracture's in the bone's even when they are wearing a 2cm thick plated suit so why do we need to aim at allies to check there health if they get whitin a certain range it schuild automaticly scan the lifesign's of the allied troop's thats what the sensor was made for so lets say Logi sensor - Team health visible when they get whitin 15M - squad health visible when they get whithin 25M - enemy health visible when they get whitin 5M Scout sensor - Team health visible when they get whitin 10M - squad health visible when they get whithin 15M - enemy health visible when they get whitin 10M Asault sensor - Team health visible when they get whitin 8M - squad health visible when they get whithin 15M - enemy health visible when they get whitin 8M Heavy sensor - Team health visible when they get whitin 8M - squad health visible when they get whithin 12M - enemy health visible when they get whitin 8M wel the radius can be tweaked just basic sugestion that or when you equip a repair tool you can see health bar's from allied/squad at 30M so we know who needs heal and when to grab ouwer guns and shoot for survival |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:50:00 -
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Jade Hasegawa wrote:Its an interesting change to be certain,my only concern I like knowing where the blueberries are on the team, I dont want to go into an objective without support, sometimes mey friends are not online and I dont want to be running solointo trouble soknowing a smurf or 2 are around helps me
I totally agree with you - as an assault player, with 'not the best' situational awareness I like all the help I can get to remind me where my team are otherwise I just usually end up pushing too hard, never had a problem with my 'hud' being too busy
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