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HandOGod
Taints of Tartarus
90
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Posted - 2013.08.23 03:47:00 -
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I have never had less fun playing this game.
won 10% of the games I played tonight. Normally win well over half.
I know I'm not proto and I don't have proto friends, but rubbing it in my face is just mean.
gonna go cry in my pillow. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1793
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Posted - 2013.08.23 03:51:00 -
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Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
175
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Posted - 2013.08.23 03:53:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp
leaving a battle even in warbarge counts as loss
I tested it.......sadly :( |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1793
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Posted - 2013.08.23 03:58:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp leaving a battle even in warbarge counts as loss I tested it.......sadly :(
I believe they have said it doesnt count towards the event as long as you havent gotten 100 WP |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
175
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:01:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp leaving a battle even in warbarge counts as loss I tested it.......sadly :( I believe they have said it doesnt count towards the event as long as you havent gotten 100 WP
oh ok thank god :P |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
621
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:03:00 -
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It is to be expected. These events bring out the best of players. It's good training. Get back into it and don't take that crap!! It's all in the mind...outsmart your opponent. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7672
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:07:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp
That doesn't work.
There are two modes
Win
Non-win
Winning requires winning the match AND 100 wp minium. If you don't reach 100 WP it counts a non-win despite winning. |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
19
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:13:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp That doesn't work. There are two modes Win Non-win Winning requires winning the match AND 100 wp minium. If you don't reach 100 WP it counts a non-win despite winning. oh nice. i wish that had been clarified BEFORE the event started. most of the teams i was on today were randoms, against squads. so i just AFKed or quit, because the info about the event lead me to believe that if you had 0 WPs the match didnt count. well theres an event wasted because of poor communication. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7672
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:14:00 -
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Shadow Of-Chaos wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp That doesn't work. There are two modes Win Non-win Winning requires winning the match AND 100 wp minium. If you don't reach 100 WP it counts a non-win despite winning. oh nice. i wish that had been clarified BEFORE the event started. most of the teams i was on today were randoms, against squads. so i just AFKed or quit, because the info about the event lead me to believe that if you had 0 WPs the match didnt count. well theres an event wasted because of poor communication.
It was. |
Dante Vento
Firefly Shipping co.
16
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:14:00 -
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I haven't come across many proto-stomps as I leave when I see two squads of 5 and a squad of 3 on the other side or alot of the big names on the other side. I've been finding the blueberries to be even more useless than normal. Both sides are just blueberries and I go 27/9 with 2500wp (in standard gear with advanced av nades and equipment) and still lost because there were only 5 teammates on the field. The other side only had 10 cherries out so they eventually took the whole field. And this wasn't a one time thing. 20/5, 21/2 and still no help from the blue berries. I was almost twice the wp of the second best on my side and of the cherries.
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1794
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp That doesn't work. There are two modes Win Non-win Winning requires winning the match AND 100 wp minimum. If you don't reach 100 WP it counts a non-win despite rest of the team winning. All matches made within the tier count. Failing to meet the requirement for the tier WILL FAIL the qualification for that tier and no additional battles can change that outcome. However Qualifying for a higher tier WILL net you all previous tiers. Bottom Line You can fail this event. There is a 'lose' condition.
Got anything to back that up because Ive been hearing differently or are you doing what you do and just make a declaration and then wait for someone to come along with a direct quote from CCP that contradicts you |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7672
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:18:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp That doesn't work. There are two modes Win Non-win Winning requires winning the match AND 100 wp minimum. If you don't reach 100 WP it counts a non-win despite rest of the team winning. All matches made within the tier count. Failing to meet the requirement for the tier WILL FAIL the qualification for that tier and no additional battles can change that outcome. However Qualifying for a higher tier WILL net you all previous tiers. Bottom Line You can fail this event. There is a 'lose' condition. Got anything to back that up because Ive been hearing differently or are you doing what you do and just make a declaration and then wait for someone to come along with a direct quote from CCP that contradicts you
I already asked them the relative questions these were the answers. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
283
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:21:00 -
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HandOGod wrote:won 10% of the games I played tonight. Normally win well over half. There is something seriously wrong having broken matchmaking & a victory threshold for an event. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1794
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:22:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp That doesn't work. There are two modes Win Non-win Winning requires winning the match AND 100 wp minimum. If you don't reach 100 WP it counts a non-win despite rest of the team winning. All matches made within the tier count. Failing to meet the requirement for the tier WILL FAIL the qualification for that tier and no additional battles can change that outcome. However Qualifying for a higher tier WILL net you all previous tiers. Bottom Line You can fail this event. There is a 'lose' condition. Got anything to back that up because Ive been hearing differently or are you doing what you do and just make a declaration and then wait for someone to come along with a direct quote from CCP that contradicts you I already asked them the relative questions these were the answers.
And the devblog didnt have this information and the thread announcing this event didnt have this information even though its something lots of people were asking because?
Now its a good thing you actually got some clarification out of them but it seems like CCP and you have both dropped the ball on spreading information that is vital for this event
Oh and let them know they should update the ingame news, the people that dont read the forums have no idea there is an event going on |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
761
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:28:00 -
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If you're really trying to go for these almost useless rewards; log onto the Oceania server and pubstomp some n00bs.
I logged onto a skirmish with a squad; It was almost over (enemy had all points) but we managed to recapture it all and win the battle. At the end we found out there was only 2 people on the other team!
The Oceania has some very boring games to offer (seeing as they are always dead), but you're pretty much always guaranteed victory after victory. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7672
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:29:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp That doesn't work. There are two modes Win Non-win Winning requires winning the match AND 100 wp minimum. If you don't reach 100 WP it counts a non-win despite rest of the team winning. All matches made within the tier count. Failing to meet the requirement for the tier WILL FAIL the qualification for that tier and no additional battles can change that outcome. However Qualifying for a higher tier WILL net you all previous tiers. Bottom Line You can fail this event. There is a 'lose' condition. Got anything to back that up because Ive been hearing differently or are you doing what you do and just make a declaration and then wait for someone to come along with a direct quote from CCP that contradicts you I already asked them the relative questions these were the answers. And the devblog didnt have this information and the thread announcing this event didnt have this information even though its something lots of people were asking because? Now its a good thing you actually got some clarification out of them but it seems like CCP and you have both dropped the ball on spreading information that is vital for this event Oh and let them know they should update the ingame news, the people that dont read the forums have no idea there is an event going on
Next patch as per 1.4 dev blog.
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Jean afer Salpun
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:30:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp That doesn't work. There are two modes Win Non-win Winning requires winning the match AND 100 wp minimum. If you don't reach 100 WP it counts a non-win despite rest of the team winning. All matches made within the tier count. Failing to meet the requirement for the tier WILL FAIL the qualification for that tier and no additional battles can change that outcome. However Qualifying for a higher tier WILL net you all previous tiers. Bottom Line You can fail this event. There is a 'lose' condition. Got anything to back that up because Ive been hearing differently or are you doing what you do and just make a declaration and then wait for someone to come along with a direct quote from CCP that contradicts you I already asked them the relative questions these were the answers. And the devblog didnt have this information and the thread announcing this event didnt have this information even though its something lots of people were asking because? Now its a good thing you actually got some clarification out of them but it seems like CCP and you have both dropped the ball on spreading information that is vital for this event Oh and let them know they should update the ingame news, the people that dont read the forums have no idea there is an event going on Which is why they are adding a place to put that information in front of the players in 1.4
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1794
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:36:00 -
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God you can be so stupid sometimes IWS You know when you load up the game and theres a big window on the screen that lets you switch between news and patch notes, the screen that everyone needs to look at for at least a moment before they can press X and choose character? That needs to be updated to let people known an event is going on, put it in big red letters or something so its obvious that it was changed
Seriously, saying "Durr they are gonna add stuff in 1.4 so dat deres a place to put da news" when something like that already exists and really shouldnt take long to update and you wonder why people have a hard time taking you seriously as a CPM |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7672
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:37:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:God you can be so stupid sometimes IWS You know when you load up the game and theres a big window on the screen that lets you switch between news and patch notes, the screen that everyone needs to look at for at least a moment before they can press X and choose character? That needs to be updated to let people known an event is going on, put it in big red letters or something so its obvious that it was changed
Seriously, saying "Durr they are gonna add stuff in 1.4 so dat deres a place to put da news" when something like that already exists and really shouldnt take long to update and you wonder why people have a hard time taking you seriously as a CPM
Go read the 1.4 dev blog again. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1794
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:God you can be so stupid sometimes IWS You know when you load up the game and theres a big window on the screen that lets you switch between news and patch notes, the screen that everyone needs to look at for at least a moment before they can press X and choose character? That needs to be updated to let people known an event is going on, put it in big red letters or something so its obvious that it was changed
Seriously, saying "Durr they are gonna add stuff in 1.4 so dat deres a place to put da news" when something like that already exists and really shouldnt take long to update and you wonder why people have a hard time taking you seriously as a CPM Go read the 1.4 dev blog again.
Yeah yeah recent updates screen but thats completely ignoring why have they not updated the news screen despite it being right there Not doing so makes them look lazy and incompetent and you defending that poor ability reflects badly on yourself, even more so since you arent addressing anything Ive brought up and try to sidestep it Just go crawl back to IRC and leave the actual players alone, Id much rather try to get in touch with anyone from CCP directly, even the janitor, then deal with the CPM "representing" me
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Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
19
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:43:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Shadow Of-Chaos wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp That doesn't work. There are two modes Win Non-win Winning requires winning the match AND 100 wp minium. If you don't reach 100 WP it counts a non-win despite winning. oh nice. i wish that had been clarified BEFORE the event started. most of the teams i was on today were randoms, against squads. so i just AFKed or quit, because the info about the event lead me to believe that if you had 0 WPs the match didnt count. well theres an event wasted because of poor communication. It was. Someone decided to interpret the rules their own way. There was nothing in the rules saying that 'we won't count matches that have less than 100 wp." really? we going to play this game now?
Quote:FAQ
If I play more than the minimum number of matches, which ones are counted for the event?
Only the win/loss rate of the week's first 30, 40 and 50 matches in which you earn at least 100 war points during the event will be considered for the purpose of qualifying for the event rewards.
looks like it says the win/LOSS rate is only considered when you get 100 WPs. i interpreted the rules the way they were explained by the dev post. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1794
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:44:00 -
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Did I totally not call someone quoting something that directly contradicts IWS |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
19
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Posted - 2013.08.23 05:02:00 -
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still waiting on that reply. or is he just going to run away? |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2013.08.23 05:02:00 -
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The only thing this challenge is rewarding is your luckiness in randoming the side with the least quitters. Its also a binary succeed/not succeed on a measure you can't control.
Its like the event design guy is trolling us and has keen psychological insight into what will **** players off. |
jingle wingle
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.08.23 05:05:00 -
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Wow, so much hostility in this thread. |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
21
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Posted - 2013.08.23 05:11:00 -
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jingle wingle wrote:Wow, so much hostility in this thread. well the dev post said one thing, i trusted the dev post as correct. i was then told that it was my fault for reading the dev post wrong and given an answer that didnt match what the dev said. communication has been a very frustrating subject around here. |
Absolute Idiom II
No Free Pass
506
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:08:00 -
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Okay so this is where CCP will claim they explained that ALL matches count:
Quote:What happens if I leave a match early? If you cannot finish the match for any reason, and/or rejoined the same match multiple times, the match will still be counted as long as it's one of the first 50 battles played for the week.
The issue is that they contradict this statement and intention with these sections:
Quote:Goals
Each week during the event players will be asked to meeting the following criteria:
*Play and complete 30 matches and win 48% of all matches and win tier I rewards *Play and complete 40 matches and win 45% of all matches and win tier II rewards *Play and complete 50 matches and win 42% of all matches and win tier III rewards ...
Quote:If I play more than the minimum number of matches, which ones are counted for the event? Only the win/loss rate of the week's first 30, 40 and 50 matches in which you earn at least 100 war points during the event will be considered for the purpose of qualifying for the event rewards.
So they both imply that you must COMPLETE the match and that they'll only count the win/loss rate of matches where you score more than 100 WP. To explain that the first 50 battles will be counted regardless of the WP you score means they actually told us incorrect info.
Or Iron Wolf Saber is wrong. |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
71
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:19:00 -
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I would like an update on this. I was under the impression that matches where I score less than 100 WPs did not count towards this event, win or lose.
If what IWS says is true- "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team won, they won despite you." "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team lost, they lost because of you."
This is beginning to feel like another mishandled DUST event. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7681
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:24:00 -
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Silas Swakhammer wrote:I would like an update on this. I was under the impression that matches where I score less than 100 WPs did not count towards this event, win or lose.
If what IWS says is true- "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team won, they won despite you." "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team lost, they lost because of you."
This is beginning to feel like another mishandled DUST event.
All matches count, if you fail to get 100 wp in a victory its counted as a non-win and against you.
aka afking this event won't work as well |
Magnus Amadeuss
DUST University Ivy League
10
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:28:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Silas Swakhammer wrote:I would like an update on this. I was under the impression that matches where I score less than 100 WPs did not count towards this event, win or lose.
If what IWS says is true- "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team won, they won despite you." "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team lost, they lost because of you."
This is beginning to feel like another mishandled DUST event. All matches count, if you fail to get 100 wp in a victory its counted as a non-win and against you. aka afking this event won't work as well
So if you get entered into a battle the moment before it is lost the game counts against you? I really doubt that. |
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Absolute Idiom II
No Free Pass
509
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:31:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Silas Swakhammer wrote:I would like an update on this. I was under the impression that matches where I score less than 100 WPs did not count towards this event, win or lose.
If what IWS says is true- "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team won, they won despite you." "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team lost, they lost because of you."
This is beginning to feel like another mishandled DUST event. All matches count, if you fail to get 100 wp in a victory its counted as a non-win and against you. aka afking this event won't work as well
Care to explain/report on the contradicting statements foudn in the devblog, that I outlined in my post?
Personally, I'm completely fine with the rules being as you have explained them. But it's pretty obvious that CCP failed to unambiguously make this clear. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7682
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:32:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Silas Swakhammer wrote:I would like an update on this. I was under the impression that matches where I score less than 100 WPs did not count towards this event, win or lose.
If what IWS says is true- "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team won, they won despite you." "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team lost, they lost because of you."
This is beginning to feel like another mishandled DUST event. All matches count, if you fail to get 100 wp in a victory its counted as a non-win and against you. aka afking this event won't work as well So if you get entered into a battle the moment before it is lost the game counts against you? I really doubt that.
Unfortunately yes... I would like to suggest to have a 'no count' for joining a match with like oh say 1 minute let on ambush or 10% clones left. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7682
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:34:00 -
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Devblog wrote:
Goals
Each week during the event players will be asked to meet the following criteria:
Play and complete 30 matches and win 48% of all matches and win tier I rewards
Play and complete 40 matches and win 45% of all matches and win tier II rewards
Play and complete 50 matches and win 42% of all matches and win tier III rewards
Score 100 or more war points per match
Pretty clear cut here.
However I am sure if there can be some convincing done around here
FAQ wrote: What happens in the event of some edge case not covered here?
CCP reserves the right to make final decisions and interpretations of the event rules.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
653
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:41:00 -
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It seems like all of you who are complaining are doing so because you can't squad up. Why don't you join the LFSquad channel and group with some other folks. Remember to turn your mic on (or at least your ability to hear what others are saying) and have some fun. Remember its a game, fun is its only point. |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
71
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Posted - 2013.08.23 08:22:00 -
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If most of us are interpreting the dev blog in one particular way (have a glance at the announcement thread for such evidence) then fault lies in the author(s) of the dev blog for being extremely misleading. I don't really care about which way the event really works, but the poor rewards coupled with, once again, poor communication on the devs' part is leaving a bad taste.
I filed a petition for clarification, as this thread is the first instance I've heard of the win / non-win understanding of the rules. |
Absolute Idiom II
No Free Pass
510
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Posted - 2013.08.23 09:53:00 -
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IWS, any reason you are avoiding me asking you directly about this element?:
event FAQ wrote:If I play more than the minimum number of matches, which ones are counted for the event? Only the win/loss rate of the week's first 30, 40 and 50 matches in which you earn at least 100 war points during the event will be considered for the purpose of qualifying for the event rewards.
As I pointed out already, this part is very clear about which matches count and which do not. If CCP intended that *all* the first 30/40/50 matches would count then they should haven written this part differently.
You can't claim that CCP were perfectly clear, and that the misunderstanding is entirely the players' fault, if CCP contradict themselves in the event blog. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Pure Innocence. EoN.
268
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:10:00 -
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IWS is right about this, you guys are retards buahaha, IWS stop caring, let them just not recieve these useless-anyways rewards, after they quit every match & their w/l is 5%.
Fact is, these rewards are garbage, the proto swarms are the only thing worthy of mention, because they are proto. And the rewards are only achievable through pubstomping....BUAHAHA. Oh and heres the best part, these rewards are only achievable by the playerbase with the inherent least interest in them. I.E. Why would proto pubstompers want garbo mostly STD items? Pffftt mega fail event CCP. |
Sarcastic Dreamkiller
Synical Sacrilege
2
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:16:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:IWS is right about this, you guys are retards buahaha, IWS stop caring, let them just not recieve these useless-anyways rewards, after they quit every match & their w/l is 5%.
Fact is, these rewards are garbage, the proto swarms are the only thing worthy of mention, because they are proto. And the rewards are only achievable through pubstomping....BUAHAHA. Oh and heres the best part, these rewards are only achievable by the playerbase with the inherent least interest in them. I.E. Why would proto pubstompers want garbo mostly STD items? Pffftt mega fail event CCP. Agreed, the rewards suck so bad that I'm not even playing. |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
119
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:19:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp leaving a battle even in warbarge counts as loss I tested it.......sadly :( I believe they have said it doesnt count towards the event as long as you havent gotten 100 WP i thought in order for a victory to COUNT you had to have at least 100 wp |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
119
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:22:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:HandOGod wrote:won 10% of the games I played tonight. Normally win well over half. There is something seriously wrong having broken matchmaking & a victory threshold for an event. no its not, reward the better plays, dont reward the lazy ones |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1230
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:25:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:IWS is right about this, you guys are retards buahaha, IWS stop caring, let them just not recieve these useless-anyways rewards, after they quit every match & their w/l is 5%.
Fact is, these rewards are garbage, the proto swarms are the only thing worthy of mention, because they are proto. And the rewards are only achievable through pubstomping....BUAHAHA. Oh and heres the best part, these rewards are only achievable by the playerbase with the inherent least interest in them. I.E. Why would proto pubstompers want garbo mostly STD items? Pffftt mega fail event CCP. that is what i thought when i seen this idea for the first time.
IWS just shhhh this is another case of last minute blog that once again did not get proof read before posted. anything in that dev blog i take as a joke because in the last case event the devs have the final say and they could go oh hey no proto SL for anyone heres 1,000 ISK for that tier and sit back and watch the tears flow of the few who wanted them.
Quote:...meet the following criteria:
Play and complete 30 matches and win 48% of all matches and win tier I rewards
Play and complete 40 matches and win 45% of all matches and win tier II rewards
Play and complete 50 matches and win 42% of all matches and win tier III rewards
Score 100 or more war points per match...
Quote:.... Only the win/loss rate of the week's first 30, 40 and 50 matches in which you earn at least 100 war points during the event will be considered for the purpose of qualifying for the event rewards.......
Quote: What happens in the event of some edge case not covered here?
CCP reserves the right to make final decisions and interpretations of the event rules
or make up some reason for players not get the rewards. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
193
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:38:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:HandOGod wrote:won 10% of the games I played tonight. Normally win well over half. There is something seriously wrong having broken matchmaking & a victory threshold for an event. not only that but it seems we need dat pen and paper again |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
119
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:39:00 -
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Shadow Of-Chaos wrote:
looks like it says the win/LOSS rate is only considered when you get 100 WPs. i interpreted the rules the way they were explained by the dev post.
So did i, thats why i went and won 92% of my first 50 matches, if i could do that why do people have to ******* afk? just bring your best gear and a game if you want to do the challenge (which i do since as bad as commando suits are they still look badass) |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
290
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:48:00 -
[44] - Quote
demonkiller 12 wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:HandOGod wrote:won 10% of the games I played tonight. Normally win well over half. There is something seriously wrong having broken matchmaking & a victory threshold for an event. no its not, reward the better plays, dont reward the lazy ones I'm pretty sure you didn't mean that it is alright to have one side of proto-gear q-synched-squads up against mostly randoms and/or small squads, then tell the losing side they can't have any candy?
Definitely agree with the whole achievement should have effort bit. Because there's certainly nothing wrong with requiring a "win," for a prize. Its just aggravating when such a requirement is linked to the wreckage that we call pubs. It would be nice if they could move some of these events back inside the game tab with Faction Warfare. A bunch of us just want a good fight. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
291
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:56:00 -
[45] - Quote
THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:HandOGod wrote:won 10% of the games I played tonight. Normally win well over half. There is something seriously wrong having broken matchmaking & a victory threshold for an event. not only that but it seems we need dat pen and paper again No joke TR. The shocking part is how many people over coms that say they aren't keeping a written record.
A bunch of us may not care for the prizes but potentially giving up on Aur Freebies is just daft. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1155
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:57:00 -
[46] - Quote
people who are having issues with the rules are mostly trying to game the system to be honest. just squad up and play and try and win the rewards and not OMG UBER AWESOME anyway.
this is a team game get used to the fact you need to work with other people |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
469
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:59:00 -
[47] - Quote
They need to be clearer, when they set rules, to clear all our doubts. I don't discuss the rewards, but the rules have to be clear before the event starts. |
Nekrokult
Cariocecus Consilium
5
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Posted - 2013.08.23 11:05:00 -
[48] - Quote
The worst part of all of this is that I feel a total lack of care when creating/posting rules. I can be wrong, I could be an honest mistake, but it surely doesn't look like it. As said before in this thread, the text directly implies that the primordial condition for any other condition to even be considered is 100WP (thatGÇÖs the way I see it anyhow). Maybe we have a lawyer in our playerbase to clarify this further? Then the ratio: 30 matches with a 48% win ratio for tier I rewards. 48%? It's either 50% (15 wins, 15 losses) or 46.6% (14 wins, 16 losses), 48% seems a random number thrown in there. Another thing I wish that events stated is when it starts effectively; it says it starts on 22/08/2013. But this is at 00:00am of the day or after the maintenance of that day? |
Beld Errmon
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
815
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Posted - 2013.08.23 11:14:00 -
[49] - Quote
Hopefully CCP is getting some good data from this, its probably all to test out how players will react when winning actually means you'll win something other than basically the same payment as the losing team, its going to be a tedious event for ppl that just want to casually play solo, ppl don't need much incentive to protostomp and stack every game into the redline. |
GRIM GEAR
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
9
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Posted - 2013.08.23 11:18:00 -
[50] - Quote
Life is unfair sometimes isn't it just?............. |
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JerechD Diaboli
DEATH FROM ABOVE CORP
14
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Posted - 2013.08.23 11:44:00 -
[51] - Quote
Shame, really. In the last challenge it was really up to me to make the diffence. Now it is up the luck as how the teams are divided with the good, the bad and the AFK.
Gonna spend my week on BF3's double XP. |
HandOGod
Taints of Tartarus
91
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Posted - 2013.08.23 12:42:00 -
[52] - Quote
I do squad up. The squad I was in came in top of the team every game we played. Problem was we could not catch a break with who we were playing against, or the blueberries we were stuck with.
I'm curious how the statistics and the end of this event are going to look. Making the goals just shy of 50% implies that over 50% of the community should get something. But I think very few high end squads are going to talk out of this with everything and everyone else walks away with nothing. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
325
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:26:00 -
[53] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp That doesn't work. There are two modes Win Non-win Winning requires winning the match AND 100 wp minimum. If you don't reach 100 WP it counts a non-win despite rest of the team winning. All matches made within the tier count. Failing to meet the requirement for the tier WILL FAIL the qualification for that tier and no additional battles can change that outcome. However Qualifying for a higher tier WILL net you all previous tiers. Bottom Line You can fail this event. There is a 'lose' condition. Got anything to back that up because Ive been hearing differently or are you doing what you do and just make a declaration and then wait for someone to come along with a direct quote from CCP that contradicts you I already asked them the relative questions these were the answers.
Dear IWS,
Could you please ask them to make a response that has a blue attached to it? It would help their open communication claims.
Also I think this is a little bit contradictional (from the DEV-blog FAQ):
If I play more than the minimum number of matches, which ones are counted for the event?
Only the win/loss rate of the week's first 30, 40 and 50 matches in which you earn at least 100 war points during the event will be considered for the purpose of qualifying for the event rewards. |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
72
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:03:00 -
[54] - Quote
Quote:Hi there
Just to confirm with you, battles that you earn 100 War Points or less do not count to the win/loss ratio. If you have any further issues, or questions regarding DUST 514, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Best Regards, GM Scotsman CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514 |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
327
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:17:00 -
[55] - Quote
Soo who is now the one that decided to interpret the rules their own way? |
HandOGod
Taints of Tartarus
99
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:22:00 -
[56] - Quote
That makes it worse for those of us that dont run and hide like pre-pubescent girls at the sight of a challenge
afkers delight
sit in the MCC till you see how the games going to turn. If your going to win jump in at the last minute and take all the credit.
Boo CCP, boo |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
28
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:35:00 -
[57] - Quote
Silas Swakhammer wrote:Quote:Hi there
Just to confirm with you, battles that you earn 100 War Points or less do not count to the win/loss ratio. If you have any further issues, or questions regarding DUST 514, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Best Regards, GM Scotsman CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514 could it be? IWS being proven wrong once again... |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
328
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:45:00 -
[58] - Quote
We'll never know because he either:
A) Ignores this B) Makes a political answer to escape this C) Is too busy making quizes D) All off the above
But in all seriousness, how can we trust his communications? |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
28
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:56:00 -
[59] - Quote
it just seems like no one communicates. CPM contradicts dev post, claims to have gotten the answers from the right people, GM then explains the original answer is right.
everyone wants the CPM and devs to start communicating with us more, but i think we would also like everyone on the same page. have you guys ever heard of memos? office email? |
RKKR
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
335
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:32:00 -
[60] - Quote
This is actually sad. |
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
622
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:38:00 -
[61] - Quote
KingBlade82 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp leaving a battle even in warbarge counts as loss I tested it.......sadly :(
not true... you have to gain 100 wp for it to COUNT towards the challenge... whether or not it still registers as a win/loss in your wallet is a different story.. I have noticed my wallet reflects wins/losses now with isk earnings of 10k or 15k isk, theres no way if I had participated in that battle I would get so little... I left these matches in the barge... but regardless of this, CCP said you MUST get 100 wp for it to count towards the challege |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
622
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:45:00 -
[62] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Silas Swakhammer wrote:I would like an update on this. I was under the impression that matches where I score less than 100 WPs did not count towards this event, win or lose.
If what IWS says is true- "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team won, they won despite you." "If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team lost, they lost because of you."
This is beginning to feel like another mishandled DUST event. All matches count, if you fail to get 100 wp in a victory its counted as a non-win and against you. aka afking this event won't work as well, I will say its going to suck for drop ship pilots, and that there is not a set of 'less than stellar' rewards for those who don't perform as well like 30% and 40% wins.
IWS you are wrong on this....you need to go talk to a dev get a straight answer and post here, since you've spread misinformation... as a CPM this is your responsibility now, since you've added to the confusion. |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:49:00 -
[63] - Quote
Seymor Krelborn wrote:IWS you are wrong on this....you need to go talk to a dev get a straight answer and post here, since you've spread misinformation... as a CPM this is your responsibility now, since you've added to the confusion. Hey guys, let's not alienate the few people who are actually communicating with CCP.
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
222
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:51:00 -
[64] - Quote
Seymor Krelborn wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp leaving a battle even in warbarge counts as loss I tested it.......sadly :( not true... you have to gain 100 wp for it to COUNT towards the challenge... whether or not it still registers as a win/loss in your wallet is a different story.. I have noticed my wallet reflects wins/losses now with isk earnings of 10k or 15k isk, theres no way if I had participated in that battle I would get so little... I left these matches in the barge... but regardless of this, CCP said you MUST get 100 wp for it to count towards the challege
oh and once i quit a losing match and i had over 400WP , i search a game again , i enter , its the same match same team AND i still have 400WP |
Viktor Zokas
High-Damage
282
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Posted - 2013.08.26 11:04:00 -
[65] - Quote
Things people will do for scrub items. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
624
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Posted - 2013.08.26 12:34:00 -
[66] - Quote
Silas Swakhammer wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:IWS you are wrong on this....you need to go talk to a dev get a straight answer and post here, since you've spread misinformation... as a CPM this is your responsibility now, since you've added to the confusion. Hey guys, let's not alienate the few people who are actually communicating with CCP.
not trying to alienate anyone... just holding people accountable...
truth is if they aren't reliable, accurate, and responsible, and cant take criticism they aren't worth much anyway... |
RKKR
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
335
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Posted - 2013.08.26 12:40:00 -
[67] - Quote
Silas Swakhammer wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:IWS you are wrong on this....you need to go talk to a dev get a straight answer and post here, since you've spread misinformation... as a CPM this is your responsibility now, since you've added to the confusion. Hey guys, let's not alienate the few people who are actually communicating with CCP.
Alienating? Explain yourself...It seems like Seymor Krelborn is 100% correct in his statement....
This thread (and a second one) was bumped by me on purpose while IWS was active on the forums but it just seems to be another post-and-ignore-later-comments-CCP-style-thread. We're used to it now, but spreading misinformation is a no-go some of us just want to set it straight (and give a hint about how bad their communcation is).
I don't feel that CPM needs to communicate with us on these issues and stuff, it's the job of CCP to do that. CPM should be too busy voicing the concerns,.... of the community to CCP. Sure they can communicate with us, but leave CCPs communication to CCP (hopefully they will learn one day)...what else is CPM going to say beside copy/paste from CCP, vague timelines or "we're under NDA"?
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1318
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Posted - 2013.08.26 12:42:00 -
[68] - Quote
These prizes suck.
That is all. |
MarasdF Loron
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
81
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Posted - 2013.08.26 12:47:00 -
[69] - Quote
I just don't care at all about this event because the rewards are horrible and the 30 games at least required to play is ridiculous for tankers... |
SHANN da MAN
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
67
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Posted - 2013.08.26 16:26:00 -
[70] - Quote
Mobius Kaethis wrote:It seems like all of you who are complaining are doing so because you can't squad up. Why don't you join the LFSquad channel and group with some other folks. Remember to turn your mic on (or at least your ability to hear what others are saying) and have some fun. Remember its a game, fun is its only point. This from a guy in a corp who rolls full Proto Squads into Pub matches against newer players who can't hope to compete with their level of gear ... all to win rewards they will most likely never use, and keep those who Don't have high level SP/ISK/Gear from getting rewards they could actually Use. |
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
808
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Posted - 2013.08.26 16:40:00 -
[71] - Quote
Delta 749 wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp leaving a battle even in warbarge counts as loss I tested it.......sadly :( I believe they have said it doesnt count towards the event as long as you havent gotten 100 WP I think it depends if your team wins or not even if you leave. |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:36:00 -
[72] - Quote
RKKR wrote:Silas Swakhammer wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:IWS you are wrong on this....you need to go talk to a dev get a straight answer and post here, since you've spread misinformation... as a CPM this is your responsibility now, since you've added to the confusion. Hey guys, let's not alienate the few people who are actually communicating with CCP. Alienating? Explain yourself...It seems like Seymor Krelborn is 100% correct in his statement.... This thread (and a second one) was bumped by me on purpose while IWS was active on the forums but it just seems to be another post-and-ignore-later-comments-CCP-style-thread. We're used to it now, but spreading misinformation is a no-go some of us just want to set it straight (and give a hint about how bad their communcation is). I don't feel that CPM needs to communicate with us on these issues and stuff, it's the job of CCP to do that. CPM should be too busy voicing the concerns,.... of the community to CCP. Sure they can communicate with us, but leave CCPs communication to CCP (hopefully they will learn one day)...what else is CPM going to say beside copy/paste from CCP, vague timelines or "we're under NDA"? My apologies. What I meant was that we shouldn't be backing members of CPM into a corner. Just because we're probably in the right (CCP Shanghai is known for changing the rules midway through an event, and there's been contradictions from them on this absurdly small event, take a second look at the GM response I received) doesn't justify our abrasiveness. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
625
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Posted - 2013.08.26 19:42:00 -
[73] - Quote
This event finally made me start wearing Proto in pubs, because I finally had an incentive to win. It will take some time before I get myself to stop, but at this rate, at least form an ISK perspective, I have no reason to stop.
Sorry if my Freedom got in the way of your fun. (The mass driver, not the whole being Gallente thing) |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
38
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Posted - 2013.08.26 23:38:00 -
[74] - Quote
Silas Swakhammer wrote:RKKR wrote:Silas Swakhammer wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:IWS you are wrong on this....you need to go talk to a dev get a straight answer and post here, since you've spread misinformation... as a CPM this is your responsibility now, since you've added to the confusion. Hey guys, let's not alienate the few people who are actually communicating with CCP. Alienating? Explain yourself...It seems like Seymor Krelborn is 100% correct in his statement.... This thread (and a second one) was bumped by me on purpose while IWS was active on the forums but it just seems to be another post-and-ignore-later-comments-CCP-style-thread. We're used to it now, but spreading misinformation is a no-go some of us just want to set it straight (and give a hint about how bad their communcation is). I don't feel that CPM needs to communicate with us on these issues and stuff, it's the job of CCP to do that. CPM should be too busy voicing the concerns,.... of the community to CCP. Sure they can communicate with us, but leave CCPs communication to CCP (hopefully they will learn one day)...what else is CPM going to say beside copy/paste from CCP, vague timelines or "we're under NDA"? My apologies. What I meant was that we shouldn't be backing members of CPM into a corner. Just because we're probably in the right (CCP Shanghai is known for changing the rules midway through an event, and there's been contradictions from them on this absurdly small event, take a second look at the GM response I received) doesn't justify our abrasiveness. it wouldnt be an issue if the rules were clear from the start. but IWS contradicted the Dev Blog, somewhat insulted my reading comprehension skills, and was then set straight by a GM. did this help? of course not, he was still posting the same crap the next day. when novaknife posted the letter that all the CPMs worked on about better communication, i was happy. thats what we need. looks like it was filled with the usual emptiness we are accustomed to getting at this point though. nothing has changed, communication is still lackluster, and IWS is still full of ****. save us CCP Wolfman, you're our only hope... |
fawkuima juggalo
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
0
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:16:00 -
[75] - Quote
so when and how you recieve the awards |
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