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Absolute Idiom II
No Free Pass
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:31:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Silas Swakhammer wrote:I would like an update on this. I was under the impression that matches where I score less than 100 WPs did not count towards this event, win or lose.
If what IWS says is true-
"If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team won, they won despite you."
"If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team lost, they lost because of you."
This is beginning to feel like another mishandled DUST event. All matches count, if you fail to get 100 wp in a victory its counted as a non-win and against you. aka afking this event won't work as well
Care to explain/report on the contradicting statements foudn in the devblog, that I outlined in my post?
Personally, I'm completely fine with the rules being as you have explained them. But it's pretty obvious that CCP failed to unambiguously make this clear. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7682
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:32:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Silas Swakhammer wrote:I would like an update on this. I was under the impression that matches where I score less than 100 WPs did not count towards this event, win or lose.
If what IWS says is true-
"If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team won, they won despite you."
"If you scored less than 100 WPs and your team lost, they lost because of you."
This is beginning to feel like another mishandled DUST event. All matches count, if you fail to get 100 wp in a victory its counted as a non-win and against you. aka afking this event won't work as well So if you get entered into a battle the moment before it is lost the game counts against you? I really doubt that.
Unfortunately yes... I would like to suggest to have a 'no count' for joining a match with like oh say 1 minute let on ambush or 10% clones left. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7682
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:34:00 -
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Devblog wrote:
Goals
Each week during the event players will be asked to meet the following criteria:
Play and complete 30 matches and win 48% of all matches and win tier I rewards
Play and complete 40 matches and win 45% of all matches and win tier II rewards
Play and complete 50 matches and win 42% of all matches and win tier III rewards
Score 100 or more war points per match
Pretty clear cut here.
However I am sure if there can be some convincing done around here
FAQ wrote:
What happens in the event of some edge case not covered here?
CCP reserves the right to make final decisions and interpretations of the event rules.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
653
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:41:00 -
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It seems like all of you who are complaining are doing so because you can't squad up. Why don't you join the LFSquad channel and group with some other folks. Remember to turn your mic on (or at least your ability to hear what others are saying) and have some fun. Remember its a game, fun is its only point. |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist
Orion Empire
71
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Posted - 2013.08.23 08:22:00 -
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If most of us are interpreting the dev blog in one particular way (have a glance at the announcement thread for such evidence) then fault lies in the author(s) of the dev blog for being extremely misleading. I don't really care about which way the event really works, but the poor rewards coupled with, once again, poor communication on the devs' part is leaving a bad taste.
I filed a petition for clarification, as this thread is the first instance I've heard of the win / non-win understanding of the rules. |
Absolute Idiom II
No Free Pass
510
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Posted - 2013.08.23 09:53:00 -
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IWS, any reason you are avoiding me asking you directly about this element?:
event FAQ wrote:If I play more than the minimum number of matches, which ones are counted for the event?
Only the win/loss rate of the week's first 30, 40 and 50 matches in which you earn at least 100 war points during the event will be considered for the purpose of qualifying for the event rewards.
As I pointed out already, this part is very clear about which matches count and which do not. If CCP intended that *all* the first 30/40/50 matches would count then they should haven written this part differently.
You can't claim that CCP were perfectly clear, and that the misunderstanding is entirely the players' fault, if CCP contradict themselves in the event blog. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
268
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:10:00 -
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IWS is right about this, you guys are retards buahaha, IWS stop caring, let them just not recieve these useless-anyways rewards, after they quit every match & their w/l is 5%.
Fact is, these rewards are garbage, the proto swarms are the only thing worthy of mention, because they are proto.
And the rewards are only achievable through pubstomping....BUAHAHA.
Oh and heres the best part, these rewards are only achievable by the playerbase with the inherent least interest in them. I.E. Why would proto pubstompers want garbo mostly STD items? Pffftt mega fail event CCP. |
Sarcastic Dreamkiller
Synical Sacrilege
2
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:16:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:IWS is right about this, you guys are retards buahaha, IWS stop caring, let them just not recieve these useless-anyways rewards, after they quit every match & their w/l is 5%.
Fact is, these rewards are garbage, the proto swarms are the only thing worthy of mention, because they are proto.
And the rewards are only achievable through pubstomping....BUAHAHA.
Oh and heres the best part, these rewards are only achievable by the playerbase with the inherent least interest in them. I.E. Why would proto pubstompers want garbo mostly STD items? Pffftt mega fail event CCP.
Agreed, the rewards suck so bad that I'm not even playing. |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
119
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:19:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp leaving a battle even in warbarge counts as loss I tested it.......sadly :( I believe they have said it doesnt count towards the event as long as you havent gotten 100 WP
i thought in order for a victory to COUNT you had to have at least 100 wp |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
119
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:22:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:HandOGod wrote:won 10% of the games I played tonight. Normally win well over half. There is something seriously wrong having broken matchmaking & a victory threshold for an event.
no its not, reward the better plays, dont reward the lazy ones |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
1230
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:25:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:IWS is right about this, you guys are retards buahaha, IWS stop caring, let them just not recieve these useless-anyways rewards, after they quit every match & their w/l is 5%.
Fact is, these rewards are garbage, the proto swarms are the only thing worthy of mention, because they are proto.
And the rewards are only achievable through pubstomping....BUAHAHA.
Oh and heres the best part, these rewards are only achievable by the playerbase with the inherent least interest in them. I.E. Why would proto pubstompers want garbo mostly STD items? Pffftt mega fail event CCP.
that is what i thought when i seen this idea for the first time.
IWS just shhhh this is another case of last minute blog that once again did not get proof read before posted. anything in that dev blog i take as a joke because in the last case event the devs have the final say and they could go oh hey no proto SL for anyone heres 1,000 ISK for that tier and sit back and watch the tears flow of the few who wanted them.
Quote:...meet the following criteria:
Play and complete 30 matches and win 48% of all matches and win tier I rewards
Play and complete 40 matches and win 45% of all matches and win tier II rewards
Play and complete 50 matches and win 42% of all matches and win tier III rewards
Score 100 or more war points per match...
Quote:....
Only the win/loss rate of the week's first 30, 40 and 50 matches in which you earn at least 100 war points during the event will be considered for the purpose of qualifying for the event rewards.......
Quote:
What happens in the event of some edge case not covered here?
CCP reserves the right to make final decisions and interpretations of the event rules
or make up some reason for players not get the rewards. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades
C0VEN
193
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:38:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:HandOGod wrote:won 10% of the games I played tonight. Normally win well over half. There is something seriously wrong having broken matchmaking & a victory threshold for an event.
not only that but it seems we need dat pen and paper again |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
119
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:39:00 -
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Shadow Of-Chaos wrote:
looks like it says the win/LOSS rate is only considered when you get 100 WPs. i interpreted the rules the way they were explained by the dev post.
So did i, thats why i went and won 92% of my first 50 matches, if i could do that why do people have to ******* afk? just bring your best gear and a game if you want to do the challenge (which i do since as bad as commando suits are they still look badass) |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
290
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:48:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:HandOGod wrote:won 10% of the games I played tonight. Normally win well over half. There is something seriously wrong having broken matchmaking & a victory threshold for an event. no its not, reward the better plays, dont reward the lazy ones
I'm pretty sure you didn't mean that it is alright to have one side of proto-gear q-synched-squads up against mostly randoms and/or small squads, then tell the losing side they can't have any candy?
Definitely agree with the whole achievement should have effort bit. Because there's certainly nothing wrong with requiring a "win," for a prize. Its just aggravating when such a requirement is linked to the wreckage that we call pubs. It would be nice if they could move some of these events back inside the game tab with Faction Warfare. A bunch of us just want a good fight. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
291
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:56:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:HandOGod wrote:won 10% of the games I played tonight. Normally win well over half. There is something seriously wrong having broken matchmaking & a victory threshold for an event. not only that but it seems we need dat pen and paper again
No joke TR. The shocking part is how many people over coms that say they aren't keeping a written record.
A bunch of us may not care for the prizes but potentially giving up on Aur Freebies is just daft. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1155
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:57:00 -
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people who are having issues with the rules are mostly trying to game the system to be honest. just squad up and play and try and win the rewards and not OMG UBER AWESOME anyway.
this is a team game get used to the fact you need to work with other people |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
469
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Posted - 2013.08.23 10:59:00 -
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They need to be clearer, when they set rules, to clear all our doubts.
I don't discuss the rewards, but the rules have to be clear before the event starts. |
Nekrokult
Cariocecus Consilium
5
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Posted - 2013.08.23 11:05:00 -
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The worst part of all of this is that I feel a total lack of care when creating/posting rules. I can be wrong, I could be an honest mistake, but it surely doesn't look like it.
As said before in this thread, the text directly implies that the primordial condition for any other condition to even be considered is 100WP (thatGÇÖs the way I see it anyhow). Maybe we have a lawyer in our playerbase to clarify this further? 
Then the ratio: 30 matches with a 48% win ratio for tier I rewards. 48%? It's either 50% (15 wins, 15 losses) or 46.6% (14 wins, 16 losses), 48% seems a random number thrown in there.
Another thing I wish that events stated is when it starts effectively; it says it starts on 22/08/2013. But this is at 00:00am of the day or after the maintenance of that day? |
Beld Errmon
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
815
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Posted - 2013.08.23 11:14:00 -
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Hopefully CCP is getting some good data from this, its probably all to test out how players will react when winning actually means you'll win something other than basically the same payment as the losing team, its going to be a tedious event for ppl that just want to casually play solo, ppl don't need much incentive to protostomp and stack every game into the redline. |
GRIM GEAR
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
9
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Posted - 2013.08.23 11:18:00 -
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Life is unfair sometimes isn't it just?............. |
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JerechD Diaboli
DEATH FROM ABOVE CORP
14
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Posted - 2013.08.23 11:44:00 -
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Shame, really. In the last challenge it was really up to me to make the diffence. Now it is up the luck as how the teams are divided with the good, the bad and the AFK.
Gonna spend my week on BF3's double XP. |
HandOGod
Taints of Tartarus
91
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Posted - 2013.08.23 12:42:00 -
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I do squad up. The squad I was in came in top of the team every game we played.
Problem was we could not catch a break with who we were playing against, or the blueberries we were stuck with.
I'm curious how the statistics and the end of this event are going to look. Making the goals just shy of 50% implies that over 50% of the community should get something. But I think very few high end squads are going to talk out of this with everything and everyone else walks away with nothing. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
325
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:26:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Ive just been quitting battles over and over when I see that the otherside is obviously proto stacked and looking to stomp That doesn't work. There are two modes Win Non-win Winning requires winning the match AND 100 wp minimum. If you don't reach 100 WP it counts a non-win despite rest of the team winning. All matches made within the tier count. Failing to meet the requirement for the tier WILL FAIL the qualification for that tier and no additional battles can change that outcome. However Qualifying for a higher tier WILL net you all previous tiers. Bottom Line You can fail this event. There is a 'lose' condition. Got anything to back that up because Ive been hearing differently or are you doing what you do and just make a declaration and then wait for someone to come along with a direct quote from CCP that contradicts you I already asked them the relative questions these were the answers.
Dear IWS,
Could you please ask them to make a response that has a blue attached to it? It would help their open communication claims.
Also I think this is a little bit contradictional (from the DEV-blog FAQ):
If I play more than the minimum number of matches, which ones are counted for the event?
Only the win/loss rate of the week's first 30, 40 and 50 matches in which you earn at least 100 war points during the event will be considered for the purpose of qualifying for the event rewards. |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist
Orion Empire
72
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:03:00 -
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Quote:Hi there
Just to confirm with you, battles that you earn 100 War Points or less do not count to the win/loss ratio.
If you have any further issues, or questions regarding DUST 514, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Best Regards,
GM Scotsman
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514 |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
327
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:17:00 -
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Soo who is now the one that decided to interpret the rules their own way? |
HandOGod
Taints of Tartarus
99
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Posted - 2013.08.23 17:22:00 -
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That makes it worse for those of us that dont run and hide like pre-pubescent girls at the sight of a challenge
afkers delight
sit in the MCC till you see how the games going to turn. If your going to win jump in at the last minute and take all the credit.
Boo CCP, boo |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
28
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:35:00 -
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Silas Swakhammer wrote:Quote:Hi there
Just to confirm with you, battles that you earn 100 War Points or less do not count to the win/loss ratio.
If you have any further issues, or questions regarding DUST 514, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Best Regards,
GM Scotsman
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
could it be? IWS being proven wrong once again... |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
328
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:45:00 -
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We'll never know because he either:
A) Ignores this
B) Makes a political answer to escape this
C) Is too busy making quizes
D) All off the above
But in all seriousness, how can we trust his communications? |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
28
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:56:00 -
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it just seems like no one communicates. CPM contradicts dev post, claims to have gotten the answers from the right people, GM then explains the original answer is right.
everyone wants the CPM and devs to start communicating with us more, but i think we would also like everyone on the same page. have you guys ever heard of memos? office email? |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
335
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:32:00 -
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This is actually sad. |
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