I agree and I was wrong about the armor for logi, they will now have over 600 Armor. So I am mothballing my heavy as of today.

you need to think again. while the armour updates will help a little, the 25% spray reduction will bring it in line with the ar and smg.

After some thought I realized the armor upgrades will not help the heavy. Why you ask, simple because everyone will be able to use them. Now think on this Cal Logi can now have over 600HP in Shields and hold your breath over 500 in Armor. You will need to add a CPU upgrade to fit it all. The Cal will be faster than the Heavy and can use a better weapon with longer distance. So if you think the Heavy has new life, think again. The proto sentinel has 4 low slots so does the Cal Logi and 5 high slots.Congratulations CCP you have officially killed the heavy.

If people are dual tanking the calogi that much they won't be able to move even with the reduction in movement penalty. The Calogi isn't as great as people make it out to be.

If you are dual tanking you are screwing over your shields by ignoring the regulator bonus.

After some thought I realized the armor upgrades will not help the heavy. Why you ask, simple because everyone will be able to use them. Now think on this Cal Logi can now have over 600HP in Shields and hold your breath over 500 in Armor. You will need to add a CPU upgrade to fit it all. The Cal will be faster than the Heavy and can use a better weapon with longer distance. So if you think the Heavy has new life, think again. The proto sentinel has 4 low slots so does the Cal Logi and 5 high slots.Congratulations CCP you have officially killed the heavy.

They've been using Basic plates.

Now they'll get more HP and less movement penalty from those plates.

Plates need to come with some kind of penalty to shield tanking.

It has the stamina of an 800 pound fat person.

I already theory crafted it out a little.

You run out of PG trying to fit 5 shield extenders, even then you can't get 600 shields.

you can fit 3 enhanced plates and 4 shield extenders and thats it if you want grenades, weapon, and a nanohive, it barely breaks 400 armor and 400 shields.

Heavies will be monsters in 1.4 with unlocked aiming, a buffed HMG, and increased strafe speed.

You do realize you could just put a duvolle on your heavy suit if you think it is that good...

But there's a reason people don't.

Right now I can have 5 Complex shield extenders and 3 Complex Armor with a duvolle and I'm just fine. Right now before update its just over 600 Shields and 492 Armor. I have my stats to 5 this allows me to do this. The Speed of the Logi is faster than a heavy. I am just saying like it said before in this thread we need light armor plates and Heavy armor plates. This would solve the issue.

After some thought I realized the armor upgrades will not help the heavy. Why you ask, simple because everyone will be able to use them. Now think on this Cal Logi can now have over 600HP in Shields and hold your breath over 500 in Armor. You will need to add a CPU upgrade to fit it all. The Cal will be faster than the Heavy and can use a better weapon with longer distance. So if you think the Heavy has new life, think again. The proto sentinel has 4 low slots so does the Cal Logi and 5 high slots.Congratulations CCP you have officially killed the heavy.

Right now I can have 5 Complex shield extenders and 3 Complex Armor with a duvolle and I'm just fine. Right now before update its just over 600 Shields and 492 Armor. I have my stats to 5 this allows me to do this. The Speed of the Logi is faster than a heavy. I am just saying like it said before in this thread we need light armor plates and Heavy armor plates. This would solve the issue.

Now think on this Cal Logi can now have over 600HP

Doesn't matter the AR has more range and the Duvolle will outgun the HMG every time. Until they fix the HMG the heavy is no longer viable.

No he can't. My Caldari Proto Logi has all shield skills maxed out and is completely fitted with Complex Shield Extenders and has 588 Shield HP. Nothing with over 600.

So get your facts straight first before you want us to listen.

you need to think again. while the armour updates will help a little, the 25% spray reduction will bring it in line with the ar and smg.

The only way a Duvolle can "outgun" an HMG is if the Heavy is caught at long range or he sucks at aiming. The HMG has 30% DPS over ARs so if you have good aim, math says you win toe-to-toe or you suck. It's a short-range murder machine like it's always been.

And it won't lose any relative power to ARs after the patch, because unlike ARs, it gets a damage bonus against armor.

Tight maps = HMG, open maps = FG. Heavy has been just fine since 1.2 and it'll keep feeling fine through the next one. And 1.3 Made Heavy more powerful due to Forge Gun aiming fixes.

I'm just getting bored playing with the same ol' guns and suits for 13 months... I'll be logging in for my daily bonus in 1.4 and logging right back out to play The Last of Us.

ARs have higher DPS, doesn't matter what the numbers are showing, you have to look at how they perform when applied. HMGs cone of fire is so spread out, and any rounds outside of center sight alignment are blanks doing no damage even if they are on target. If you dance just a little bit, an AR can outgun a HMG.