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Jenza's Pants
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:29:00 -
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EVERYONE DROP CORP, SAVE MONEY. WIN WIN. |
EA Sucks
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:30:00 -
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Eve players have know this for years create your own corp lower taxes to 0 and profit. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
3183
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:30:00 -
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Jenza's Pants wrote:EVERYONE DROP CORP, SAVE MONEY. WIN WIN.
Yeah, I did think that wasn't really the best move.
NPC Corps in EVE have 11% tax rate for a reason. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
37
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:02:00 -
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Do you really have that much of a problem with isk flow? Seriosly, I think its going to be a great way to compensate the dropship and tank pilots. Will you even notice a 5 or 10% tax rate? |
First Prophet
Valor Company Incorporated
850
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:05:00 -
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Add more incentives to player made corps first, like corp armories and item trading.
Then we can start penalizing people in NPC corps.
Otherwise everyone would just do what I do and make swathes of 1 man corps. Corp overflow. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
870
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:09:00 -
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DISGRUNTLEDev wrote:Do you really have that much of a problem with isk flow? Seriosly, I think its going to be a great way to compensate the dropship and tank pilots. Will you even notice a 5 or 10% tax rate?
You're forgetting something very important about this community, it is full of asshats who will exploit every single thing they can, just because they can.
It is something that is unavoidable given the nature of New Eden's HTFU motto where anything bad can (and probably will) happen. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
3260
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:12:00 -
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Seriously? It's not an issue, if say a Corp set a tax rate at 10% based on the average earnings in a battle that would only come out somewhere between 15-20k, you'll hardly notice it. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star.
EoN.
211
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:14:00 -
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Didn't it say something about it only counting if you earned above 100k that match anyways? |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
870
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:15:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Didn't it say something about it only counting if you earned above 100k that match anyways?
Yeah, same as Eve.
Still doesn't mean that a portion of the community won't exploit it just because they can. |
First Prophet
Valor Company Incorporated
851
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:17:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Didn't it say something about it only counting if you earned above 100k that match anyways? Yeah, same as Eve. Still doesn't mean that a portion of the community won't exploit it just because they can.
I'd hardly call it an exploit. |
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
870
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:19:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Didn't it say something about it only counting if you earned above 100k that match anyways? Yeah, same as Eve. Still doesn't mean that a portion of the community won't exploit it just because they can. I'd hardly call it an exploit.
I never said it was the greatest exploit, though I can still see people doing it just because they can. |
R F Gyro
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
469
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:19:00 -
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Or join a player corp with a 0% tax rate.
Just don't expect the corp to provide much for you if you do. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
Rebel Raiders Inc.
923
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:19:00 -
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yea corps that are not very active/united are gonna see a mass exodus.. local is also gonna explode with more recruitment than normal. |
First Prophet
Valor Company Incorporated
853
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:26:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:First Prophet wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Didn't it say something about it only counting if you earned above 100k that match anyways? Yeah, same as Eve. Still doesn't mean that a portion of the community won't exploit it just because they can. I'd hardly call it an exploit. I never said it was the greatest exploit, though I can still see people doing it just because they can.
I still don't think it's an exploit and I still the 0% is the better choice, for now.
I'm pretty sure CCP will change the NPC corp tax once there's more to player corps than just PC battles. |
Jade Dragonis
GRIM MARCH
120
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:38:00 -
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I'm waiting to see how many corps fall apart cause over taxing and not sharing.  |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University
Ivy League
59
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:39:00 -
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A corp that can't provide tangible benefits to their members is going to set the tax rate to 0%, or everyone is going to leave...
That's not an exploit, but exactly what we have now. If a corp charges taxes, it better has some benefits in store to convince their members to stay.
Tankers always complain about the cost of their tanks. You know what the solution to that is? Tank reimbursement programs. If a tanker is really beneficial for their corp, the corp can reimburse their losses. This to me is a much better solution than to lower the cost of tanks (and thus cause a tank inflation) or make tanks less powerful. I'll happily give my share to supports programs such as that.
The only reason to set NPC tax would be to provide an _extra_ incentive to join player corps, but I don't believe that we need this for now. It's already almost a no-brainer to join a corp in Dust. The situation was and is much different in EVE, where staying in an NPC corp allows you to dodge war decs, and most people play solo PVE anyway. The only reason not to join a corp in Dust is if you are absolutely adamant to play solo. And if that's the case, forcing you into a player corp via NPC tax is not useful at all. |
Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
480
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:43:00 -
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What the hell are you on about joining a corp or staying in an NPC one is a personal choice. The only difference is if someone joins a NPC corp for 0% tax or their own corp with 0% tax. Placing taxes on NPC corps is not the right way to go as new players join NPC corps. Why tax new players who wont even know what taxes is the system is in place for a reason. It's probably also the reason people making 100k or less aren't being taxed. Your proposed changes are pointless and just a waste of isk to people in NPC corps. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
870
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:47:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:First Prophet wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Didn't it say something about it only counting if you earned above 100k that match anyways? Yeah, same as Eve. Still doesn't mean that a portion of the community won't exploit it just because they can. I'd hardly call it an exploit. I never said it was the greatest exploit, though I can still see people doing it just because they can. I still don't think it's an exploit and I still the 0% is the better choice, for now.I'm pretty sure CCP will change the NPC corp tax once there's more to player corps than just PC battles.
So you're saying start off with 0% in 1.4 and then in 1.5 or 1.6 give us a more fleshed out corp mechanic as well as increasing the NPC corp tax rate to 11% minimum? |
First Prophet
Valor Company Incorporated
854
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:51:00 -
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Sort of. Although I expect it to be more like:
1.4 - Corp Taxes, NPC tax at 0%
1.5 - Vehicle Patch
1.6 - Director Roles
1.7 - Corporation Deploy in FW
1.8 - Bug Fixes
1.9 - Corp Armories
2.0 - More bug fixes/ NPC corp tax now set to 11%
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
870
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:56:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Sort of. Although I expect it to be more like:
1.4 - Corp Taxes, NPC tax at 0%
1.5 - Vehicle Patch
1.6 - Director Roles
1.7 - Corporation Deploy in FW
1.8 - Bug Fixes
1.9 - Corp Armories
2.0 - More bug fixes/ NPC corp tax now set to 11%
By Director Roles, I assume you mean "more roles aside from CEO/Director for Dust Mercs".
TBH, I can't wait until they mirror the Eve Corp roles in Dust. |
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First Prophet
Valor Company Incorporated
854
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:03:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:First Prophet wrote:Sort of. Although I expect it to be more like:
1.4 - Corp Taxes, NPC tax at 0%
1.5 - Vehicle Patch
1.6 - Director Roles
1.7 - Corporation Deploy in FW
1.8 - Bug Fixes
1.9 - Corp Armories
2.0 - More bug fixes/ NPC corp tax now set to 11%
By Director Roles, I assume you mean "more roles aside from CEO/Director for Dust Mercs".
Well duh. |
Marc Rime
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:04:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:I'm pretty sure CCP will change the NPC corp tax once there's more to player corps than just PC battles.
In EVE there's a good reason for taxing members of NPC corps (they're immune to war decs), in Dust there isn't and likely won't be in the foreseeable future. |
First Prophet
Valor Company Incorporated
854
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:15:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:First Prophet wrote:I'm pretty sure CCP will change the NPC corp tax once there's more to player corps than just PC battles. In EVE there's a good reason for taxing members of NPC corps (they're immune to war decs), in Dust there isn't and likely won't be in the foreseeable future.
Yeah, and that's good reason to not have a tax right now, but I can see it be added in the future if only to encourage joining player corps.
It'd be a small tax though. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2013.08.22 02:33:00 -
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NPC Corps could have a selective tax. If you select to pay tax, the corp will allow you to join Planetary Conquest queues and attack random planets and districts based on clone packs from its funding. It won't be anything near the caliber of a stacked corp or alliance but it will be a monkey wrench in the gears. Faction NPC corps united in an alliance forming a pool. How many of them are there? Is there a list?
It would be a great way for players to learn the mechanics of the game. They may even be inspired to join a corp that has an established structure that they want or create their own for finer targeting.
idk maybe it is a dumb idea. new players in PC lol. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc
Dark Taboo
1955
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Posted - 2013.08.22 02:44:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:NPC Corps could have a selective tax. If you select to pay tax, the corp will allow you to join Planetary Conquest queues and attack random planets and districts based on clone packs from its funding. It won't be anything near the caliber of a stacked corp or alliance but it will be a monkey wrench in the gears. Faction NPC corps united in an alliance forming a pool. How many of them are there? Is there a list?
It would be a great way for players to learn the mechanics of the game. They may even be inspired to join a corp that has an established structure that they want or create their own for finer targeting.
idk maybe it is a dumb idea. new players in PC lol.
Great idea!
Make a thread about it :D |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2013.08.22 04:02:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:NPC Corps could have a selective tax. If you select to pay tax, the corp will allow you to join Planetary Conquest queues and attack random planets and districts based on clone packs from its funding. It won't be anything near the caliber of a stacked corp or alliance but it will be a monkey wrench in the gears. Faction NPC corps united in an alliance forming a pool. How many of them are there? Is there a list?
It would be a great way for players to learn the mechanics of the game. They may even be inspired to join a corp that has an established structure that they want or create their own for finer targeting.
idk maybe it is a dumb idea. new players in PC lol. Great idea! Make a thread about it :D
I did. It got buried under yet another respec thread lmao.
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SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
142
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Posted - 2013.08.22 04:06:00 -
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too soon |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2013.08.22 04:17:00 -
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SILVERBACK 02 wrote:too soon
you're right, it is. |
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