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GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:23:00 -
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CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:I'm liking the new tone of the commander :-)
But in regards to the patch notes, sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can spot things people close to the project can't. Maths is maths afterall. Or the players can outright tell you how they are going to openly exploit a change.
We are the end customer and in the business word customers are a big part of the development process. The gaming world is no diffrent. Please work with us.
And stop using a live eniorment ti teat changes. It's bad practice full stop. Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions? We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.
* Double facepalm *
I have just lost all faith in CCP.
I am also calling for CCP Cmdr Wang's resignation letter. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4471
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:24:00 -
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Why are you even here? |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
472
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:26:00 -
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You must not get it. It makes sense. You must not have a brain to get it. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1980
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:26:00 -
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Analogies are hard. Perhaps you should go back to stealing cars? |
GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
292
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:26:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Why are you even here?
Why does it matter why I am here.
Why are CCP Devs comparing making this game as hard as putting a Man on the Moon? |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
3241
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:26:00 -
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I believe that is a thing called a metaphor, about doing something that has never been done before, and the difficulties involved. |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1135
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:28:00 -
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Yeah if we wanted to send a man to the moon now, it wouldn't be that difficult. It's just expensive, and takes a lot of time to train someone. |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
472
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:32:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Yeah if we wanted to send a man to the moon now, it wouldn't be that difficult. It's just expensive, and takes a lot of time to train someone.
He was referring to the Apollo mission. |
GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
293
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:32:00 -
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People lost their lives trying to get to the Moon! Has anyone died while developing this game?
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RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
329
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:32:00 -
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GTA-V FTW wrote:Cosgar wrote:Why are you even here? Why does it matter why I am here. Why are CCP Devs comparing making this game as hard as putting a Man on the Moon?
You are just kind of neurotically attacking ANYTHING they say. I'm sure they could say the most benign comment and you would attempt to twist it into some form of vileness. Unstable teens do this frequently, it's highly annoying and really just makes you want to throw them out into the street. Either to never return or come back a reformed person, both are equally acceptable. |
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Washlee
Pure Innocence. EoN.
257
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:33:00 -
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GTA-V FTW wrote:People lost their lives trying to get to the Moon! Has anyone died while developing this game?
Yes many |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
720
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:36:00 -
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I don't always comment on troll posts, but when I do, it's because you're an idiot. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
964
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:37:00 -
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CCP dev decide to stand up and not take any **** today
Hurts OP feelings yet these are the same ppl who give them **** nonstop for every little thing
Frankly tough ******* ****
If you dont like the tone of the CCP dev then maybe GTA V isnt for you, ive heard its got swearing and other nastys in it that we must protect you from |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
472
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:38:00 -
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RoundEy3 wrote:GTA-V FTW wrote:Cosgar wrote:Why are you even here? Why does it matter why I am here. Why are CCP Devs comparing making this game as hard as putting a Man on the Moon? You are just kind of neurotically attacking ANYTHING they say. I'm sure they could say the most benign comment and you would attempt to twist it into some form of vileness. Unstable teens do this frequently, it's highly annoying and really just makes you want to throw them out into the street. Either to never return or come back a reformed person, both are equally acceptable.
I like this guy....... |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
442
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:39:00 -
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Washlee wrote:GTA-V FTW wrote:People lost their lives trying to get to the Moon! Has anyone died while developing this game?
Yes many
ie. CCP Blam!
RIP
-XOXO
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1168
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:40:00 -
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I think you should layoff cmdr Wang, its obvious he isn't having a good day so just let him chill. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
184
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:46:00 -
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I really do not like to agree with this gta 5 fan boy over here but he has a very valid point.
What is so special about dust? Its just another fps. It has less players in a match than other games, it has worse graphics than other games. It has no features that haven't been done better or more complex in other games ... (I'm thinking TITAN mode in BF2142 here and that's what we need badly.)
Ok so interaction with eve you say? Just a basic activation of a air strike. Whoopy doo.
I like this game and given the right treatment it could become something quite special. Having said that don't try and fool us that this game is something radically different from what we already have in the market.
Face up to the challenge or Feck off. |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
475
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:49:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:I really do not like to agree with this gta 5 fan boy over here but he has a very valid point.
What is so special about dust? Its just another fps. It has less players in a match than other games, it has worse graphics than other games. It has no features that haven't been done better or more complex in other games ... (I'm thinking TITAN mode in BF2142 here and that's what we need badly.)
Ok so interaction with eve you say? Just a basic activation of a air strike. Whoopy doo.
I like this game and given the right treatment it could become something quite special. Having said that don't try and fool us that this game is something radically different from what we already have in the market.
Face up to the challenge or Feck off.
Give it a year or two, and you'll be saying the same thing the EVE noobs were saying. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3683
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:49:00 -
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OP, you are an absolute moron if you don't get the analogy. Have you ever created a game of one genre on one platform that directly connects and interests with a different genre of a different platforms and not have problems?
Now throw in a dynamic player run economy, full blown industry, figuring out how to generate tens of thousands of maps for tens of thousands of planets, how to make it work with Eve online sovereignty warfare, faction warfare, and the meta game with politics, and you got yourself a game so complex that it may as well be easier to put a man on the moon. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1280
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:51:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I believe that is a thing called a metaphor, about doing something that has never been done before, and the difficulties involved. A bad metaphor at that, since the orders of magnitude are nowhere near the same. Nonetheless I get what Cmdr Wang is trying to say and won't bash him for it. |
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RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
334
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:57:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:I really do not like to agree with this gta 5 fan boy over here but he has a very valid point.
What is so special about dust? Its just another fps. It has less players in a match than other games, it has worse graphics than other games. It has no features that haven't been done better or more complex in other games ... (I'm thinking TITAN mode in BF2142 here and that's what we need badly.)
Ok so interaction with eve you say? Just a basic activation of a air strike. Whoopy doo.
I like this game and given the right treatment it could become something quite special. Having said that don't try and fool us that this game is something radically different from what we already have in the market.
Face up to the challenge or Feck off.
I agree with this honest and plain type of view. I just can't enjoy DUST extensively #1 just because of poor system performance and the controls.
Between bad frame rates, connection lag from whatever, and numb slow control input I get an intense headache if I play for a long time. I mean a real life, "Ahh my head ******* hurts for the next few hours headache."
I see so many balance, nerf, and statistical threads about items in the game. I cannot believe people can put up with the functionality to complain about little things like that.
So with that said, does anyone here play Crysis 3 on PC? |
Necandi Brasil
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
286
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:02:00 -
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They are aware of everything you guys are complaining and I'm sure they are doing their best to fix all...
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Raymundo Kagestad V
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:05:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:I really do not like to agree with this gta 5 fan boy over here but he has a very valid point.
What is so special about dust? Its just another fps. It has less players in a match than other games, it has worse graphics than other games. It has no features that haven't been done better or more complex in other games ... (I'm thinking TITAN mode in BF2142 here and that's what we need badly.)
Ok so interaction with eve you say? Just a basic activation of a air strike. Whoopy doo.
I like this game and given the right treatment it could become something quite special. Having said that don't try and fool us that this game is something radically different from what we already have in the market.
Face up to the challenge or Feck off. Give it a year or two, and you'll be saying the same thing the EVE noobs were saying.
Lol a year...Okay...No...Lol...Just no..Too many good things will be out in a year. In less than 90 days, the PS4 hits shelves, in even less than that GTA 5 releases. In 2 days my gaming PC will be complete, and you expect people to play this...Lie...For 365 more days...Lol okay.
The argument that people will come back to their PS3's for a couple months was sound (I've heard that argument around the forums) But average people will not be turning on their last gen system (That only had one masterpiece by the way TLoU) after a year. After a year they'll have a sizable library of PS4/XB1/WiiU/Steam games, and won't be thinking about DUST. Least not till it hits PS4. |
Poonmunch
DUST University Ivy League
206
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:07:00 -
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GTA-V FTW wrote:CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:I'm liking the new tone of the commander :-)
But in regards to the patch notes, sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can spot things people close to the project can't. Maths is maths afterall. Or the players can outright tell you how they are going to openly exploit a change.
We are the end customer and in the business word customers are a big part of the development process. The gaming world is no diffrent. Please work with us.
And stop using a live eniorment ti teat changes. It's bad practice full stop. Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions? We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1201909#post1201909* Double facepalm * I have just lost all faith in CCP. I am also calling for CCP Cmdr Wang's resignation letter.
Why a double facepalm?
To your knowledge has there ever been a console game attached to a PC game in the history of gaming?
It might be actually quite complex to do.
Munch
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CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
185
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:OP, you are an absolute moron if you don't get the analogy. Have you ever created a game of one genre on one platform that directly connects and interacts with a different genre of a different platforms and not have problems?
Now throw in a dynamic player run economy, full blown industry, figuring out how to generate tens of thousands of maps for tens of thousands of planets, how to make it work with Eve online sovereignty warfare, faction warfare, and the meta game with politics, and you got yourself a game so complex that it may as well be easier to put a man on the moon.
Bollocks!
No player run economy, heck I cant even sell items I don't want! Not even want to buy contracts.
Full blown industry? Don't see anything like that here.
Tens of thousands of maps? You mean the 3 or 4 maps with a few turned around buildings oh and occasionally a bit of white snow texture. Yes we have sooooo many totally unique maps.
**** does anyone remember Unreal Tournament? That had more gamemodes, more maps and that was back in the late 90s!
Yes very complex. Turn on game, join battle. Kill and die, make isk. Go back to quarters, buy more weapons, upgrade a few skills. Nothing complex about that.
And as currently we have no real interaction with eve I see no complexities. Also its not like the devs have been putting down groundwork or information on where they would like to go next , you know
"Hey guys look at this picture, look at these graphs, here's some text explaining what we would like to do next. Can we get player feedback?" |
RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
334
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:08:00 -
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Necandi Brasil wrote:They are aware of everything you guys are complaining and I'm sure they are doing their best to fix all...
I hope so. I don't mind grilling CCP on something that I would consider a major type of problem, but I don't like the idea of every word a DEV speaks to the community to be completely shat upon. That is not cool. |
GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
294
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:08:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:OP, you are an absolute moron if you don't get the analogy. Have you ever created a game of one genre on one platform that directly connects and interacts with a different genre of a different platforms and not have problems?
Now throw in a dynamic player run economy, full blown industry, figuring out how to generate tens of thousands of maps for tens of thousands of planets, how to make it work with Eve online sovereignty warfare, faction warfare, and the meta game with politics, and you got yourself a game so complex that it may as well be easier to put a man on the moon.
No I have not created any such game and neither has CCP, they have only dreamed that they could create it and they have not delivered on any of your wish list items you mentioned in the second paragraph of your LOL reply. |
Raymundo Kagestad V
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:15:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:
Bollocks!
No player run economy, heck I cant even sell items I don't want! Not even want to buy contracts.
Full blown industry? Don't see anything like that here.
Tens of thousands of maps? You mean the 3 or 4 maps with a few turned around buildings oh and occasionally a bit of white snow texture. Yes we have sooooo many totally unique maps.
**** does anyone remember Unreal Tournament? That had more gamemodes, more maps and that was back in the late 90s!
Yes very complex. Turn on game, join battle. Kill and die, make isk. Go back to quarters, buy more weapons, upgrade a few skills. Nothing complex about that.
And as currently we have no real interaction with eve I see no complexities. Also its not like the devs have been putting down groundwork or information on where they would like to go next , you know
"Hey guys look at this picture, look at these graphs, here's some text explaining what we would like to do next. Can we get player feedback?"
Wow...Yeah...This. This is truth. |
GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
294
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:17:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:
Why a double facepalm?
To your knowledge has there ever been a console game attached to a PC game in the history of gaming?
It might be actually quite complex to do.
Munch
Kane & Lynch: Dead Men Lost Planet: Colonies Phantasy Star Online Shadowrun BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger Uno Final Fantasy XI Online Universe at War: Earth Assault Game Room Team Fortress 2[5] Portal 2[6] Dust 514 with Eve Online
You have just been schooled Son now STFU and GTFO.
Think before you speak kid, something CCP Cmdr Wang could use a leason or two on as well.
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Necandi Brasil
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
286
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:21:00 -
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Consider some facts about this game: 1- CCP IS a small team compared to the developers of others FPS.... 2- The game is not yet completed ... It will ALWAYS get more updates 3- This game is already 200% better than the first time I played (back in Beta 2012 ... can't remember the build tought ...) 4- As Cmdr Wang said, NOBODY ever done this before... The comparison between getting to the moon is just an analogy to this ... not the difficulty 5- It takes time to develop a good game... 6- When I got tired of DUST , I went on and played something else... 7- When you make a petition to "fire" someone... be aware that is his job ... he surely needs it... otherwise he would just stay home and don't listen to this BS all the time...
Btw OP... I agree with Maken... You're a moron.... |
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