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Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:33:00 -
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I haven't seen enough threads on the smgs, nobody has a problem with them right?
Through my experience I find the gun very reliable. What do you guys think about this weapon. I think it's doing its job fine. Hipfiring can get silly at times, but that's because I can't track enemy movements when they are 5m in front of me if I use the sights.
The RoF is amazing, it sounds sweet too. The assault variant is where is at, the breach is not that great, or maybe I haven't played with it enough. I think it's too slow. Here's an idea, maybe on proto the assault can have 1100 RoF, would it be fair or not?
The rare times I would switch to the AR, I find the RoF slow! I can outgun an AR sometimes, which makes me feel good. Does anyone else use the SMG solely to dispatch foes? It makes for a great sidearm but I think it can hold it's own as a "light" weapon. Speaking of which, A light machine gun anyone? In between the AR and HMG .
thoughts, questions, concerns? |
Nick nugg3t
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:41:00 -
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I luv my smg  i put that s*** on everything 
seriously the smg is beautiful <3
assault smg's FTW \(0.0)/
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Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
368
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:45:00 -
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So, I've just noticed that some smg threads are locked indefinately. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:52:00 -
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I'm almost surprised the SMG has not become FoTM...
That thing is an absolute beast when you get Proficiency up. There are times when I feel that it outclasses even the AR at range, due to the sheer volume of bullets it puts out.
It is definitely a capable weapon that many seem to disregard as a potential main weapon because of its sidearm status. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3046
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:53:00 -
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I love SMGs, and I think they're pretty safe from the nerf bat because they're just compact ARs. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1513
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:00:00 -
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I believe that they are OP |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T
EoN.
649
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:03:00 -
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SMG are great, very under praised in all honesty, not UP not OP, just SMG's. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
369
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:04:00 -
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They are capable of being a "light" weapon. some com. dmg mods will help. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers
EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:06:00 -
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Assault SMGs are functionally the same as some AR rifles.
The M209 I run can drop some people as fast as my Duvolle can. Hell, I just pull the thing out after my AR takes their shield down if they're even at a medium range. Thing melts armor.
I'm surprised people don't come crying to the forums about them more often. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
369
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:09:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:I'm surprised people don't come crying to the forums about them more often.
I hope they don't, they are awesome how they are. Do you think that the ishukone assault smg should have a fire rate of 1094.0? |
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Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers
EoN.
380
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:29:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:Nemo Bluntz wrote:I'm surprised people don't come crying to the forums about them more often. I hope they don't, they are awesome how they are. Do you think that the ishukone assault smg should have a fire rate of 1094.0?
I don't know.
...yes? No? Who cares. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
591
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:43:00 -
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I'm surprised that more Minmatar assault players aren't dual stacking assault smgs on their suits. That magazine size bonus makes them beastly if you love the spray and prey. |
HandOGod
Taints of Tartarus
66
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:48:00 -
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SMGs are nice an all if your goal is to win 1 on 1 battles
But the ladies love a man who head shots with a scrambler pistol
And you'll make the other guy pee himself if you pull out nova knives |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
696
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:51:00 -
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Some sort of scrambler SMG would be sweeeeeet!
Red Dot Sight and that scary sound all Scrambler weaponry does. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers
EoN.
381
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:51:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:I'm surprised that more Minmatar assault players aren't dual stacking assault smgs on their suits. That magazine size bonus makes them beastly if you love the spray and prey.
Having 100 bullets to spray is reaaaaaaaal nice. Sometimes I'm surprised by how long I can keep shooting at the poor fools. |
Buddha Brown
Factory Fresh
287
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:52:00 -
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HandOGod wrote:SMGs are nice an all if your goal is to win 1 on 1 battles
But the ladies love a man who head shots with a scrambler pistol
And you'll make the other guy pee himself if you pull out nova knives
Pee himself with delight as an easy kill comes charging headlong into the gun barrel |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
3231
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:54:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:I believe that they are OP
I'd like a SMG/scrambler pistol, imagine that headshot bonus+RoF. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
148
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:05:00 -
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Love my SMG on my sniper fit. I love to turn around and surprise ppl with it as I spot them coming up to get me.
The Minmatar equivalent of the AR is on it's way. The SMG is just a close range version of it.
The Min combat MG will be like the AK47 I'd assume.
Allah Akbar!!! Lol. |
Zero Harpuia
WarRavens
League of Infamy
667
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:48:00 -
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I protoed the thing out, and I have this to say: Crouch, then fire while crouched. Then cry.
Otherwise, I play Logi so it's all I can fit on my suit, works pretty well in close-closemedium. |
Big miku
Nation of Miku
261
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:49:00 -
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Needs ability to akimbo SMGs |
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BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
321
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:52:00 -
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SMG/Novas fo' lyfe yo!
EDIT: SMG's do not need a nerf also. |
Midas Fool
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
172
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:27:00 -
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I use the breach but only because I like the way it sounds.
When I'm practiced though it's actually extremely effective. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers
EoN.
382
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Posted - 2013.08.20 03:12:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote: Crouch, then fire while crouched.
Sounds like a good way to get dead quick. Always be moving. ALWAYS
Lining a headshot up while aiming down sights is crazy effective when sneaking someone trying to hack. I took down two guys that were hacking together in about a second and a half earlier that way.
Actually, ADS with the SMG is pretty wildly effective. I know it goes against the whole "spray!!!!" thing, but if you're fighting anyone who isn't smart enough to strafe, you can land a crazy number of rounds by getting that sight up. |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
583
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Posted - 2013.08.20 03:33:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:I'm almost surprised the SMG has not become FoTM...
That thing is an absolute beast when you get Proficiency up. There are times when I feel that it outclasses even the AR at range, due to the sheer volume of bullets it puts out.
It is definitely a capable weapon that many seem to disregard as a potential main weapon because of its sidearm status.
The SMG is Beast yes.
Its very good , not OP.
FOTM : OP.
Its just good at what it does.
I can run around with My Ishikune SMG and get beat by a Militia AR if the distance is not right.
Because of this,it will not become FOTM. People will always look for something that has a good response for a variety of situations.The SMG is only CQ. |
Aria Gomes
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
21
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Posted - 2013.08.20 03:38:00 -
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I use my SMG before my AR most of the time. Being a Minmatar Assault has it's benefits, especially with sidearm bonus. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
370
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Posted - 2013.08.20 03:38:00 -
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akimbo will be just nuts. Any success while wielding two on the same fit? I figure I would have an assault and then a regular to finish. It's insane how quick some drop, Pro cal? after those shields they are practically dead. Smgs are cool though. so the combat rifle will be like this one? |
Aria Gomes
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
21
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Posted - 2013.08.20 03:47:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:I'm surprised that more Minmatar assault players aren't dual stacking assault smgs on their suits. That magazine size bonus makes them beastly if you love the spray and prey.
I tried it at first with the Dual SMG combo. Not really my style. SMG and AR combo is more my thing. SMG aimed to the head/upper torso region and if the person isn't dead yet then I can just bring out my AR to finish them or pop a grenade in dat ass. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
370
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Posted - 2013.08.20 03:50:00 -
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Have you guys noticed the sound it makes when you get hit markers? It sounds like they are hurting and you are on target so keep squeezing the trigger. I specially like tearing through gallentes. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4381
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Posted - 2013.08.20 03:53:00 -
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Why are you guys talking about this? Are you trying to get the SMG nerfed?! |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
370
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Posted - 2013.08.20 04:00:00 -
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I have not seen any threads on the smgs being unfair. I mean it's a sidearm with light weapon capabilities. They shouldn't cry. And if they do, my smg will kill them. |
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
651
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Posted - 2013.08.20 07:55:00 -
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lowratehitman has a bunch of videos on him using his ishokone as his main, and then his gek to finish them off.
On my forge fit, I wish I had more room for a better smg, but I'm too lazy to skill into the thing, or even care. Even so, I win most 1 on 1 battles with just the syndicate/toxin |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
370
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Posted - 2013.08.20 07:57:00 -
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I really like the SMG, however I don't use it as a main weapon. I typically go with an AR or Shotty as my main, however ALL of my fits (20+ scout fits) have the SMG as a sidearm. This is mostly because I want to get the maximum use out of the toxin BPO though.... in Chrome I was scramber pistol sidearm scout all the way.
The knives and flaylock just don't do it for me....
I don't think the SMG is OP - it's too situational in terms of requiring it's user to be at close to close/medium range. Additionally, with most players shield tanking and the SMG taking a damage penalty to shields it does take noticeably longer to wear down a user's shields.
I've only got L2 operation so I'm sure there is a lot of SMG fun in store for me.... 
I do like the breach, that mofo hits hard and hip fire is way more accurate.... It is a great finishing weapon....
Nothing says "Back the **** off" like an SMG spitting out red-hot rounds of minmatar ass kicking. |
Sean Mcbride
0uter.Heaven
EoN.
20
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Posted - 2013.08.20 08:16:00 -
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Most heavies like myself that I know Run the SMG as a side arm and those that don't well usually get eaten up....I like it because of the ease of weapon transition from the HMG to the SMG ADS, I love the sheer mail I get from killing with the SMG once they think they out range me heh. |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
243
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Posted - 2013.08.20 08:44:00 -
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first weapon I went proto with on two accounts
great weapon for logi, dual on scout and minmatrar assault is fun
need it when your running swarms and tho I dont sniping
I ran dual smg's on a heavy frame and did very well in cqc
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Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
376
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Posted - 2013.08.21 05:13:00 -
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I'm not finding the breach effective. Maybe up the firerate decrease damage slightly. Firerate 800 and damage 28. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
496
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Posted - 2013.08.21 05:17:00 -
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SMG's are great reliable sidearms to fall back on! |
Blaze Ashra
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.21 06:38:00 -
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A fun mind game you can play is dual wield an assault and breach SMG, ans strafe quickly with the assault and slowly with the breach in one on one fights. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
380
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:09:00 -
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I'm a bit confused as to why the little difference between M209 and Ishukone. Why so little? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:12:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:I'm not finding the breach effective. Maybe up the firerate decrease damage slightly. Firerate 800 and damage 28.
The best explanation I've heard is that the breach is the best SMG to use strictly as a sidearm compared to the other variants that can make better primaries. |
Omareth Nasadra
QcGOLD
33
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:16:00 -
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Does the job when you spray, but inflict severe punishment when you ADS, love the headshot, these thing are beast  |
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:19:00 -
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they're good but highprof light weapons still outclass them on the same lvl(and weapon tier) if you were to use them as a primary from my experience(smg prof 4) |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1308
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:26:00 -
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Just got my prof to lvl 4 at the weekend and it's awesome. I love my pistol/SMG combo - take down the shields with a single pistol shot and if they start jumping around madly, take out the m209 to finish them off. |
8213
Grade No.2
174
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:29:00 -
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They are a perfect. Especially in a game with lousy hit detection, you can finish off your enemy with them easily. SMGs win gun fights, especially gunfights that were unfair because of shady hitboxes.
Some say they are OP, but its mostly because they got out played, period. It has no effectiveness beyond 15 meters.
One of my favorite things to do is run it on my HMG and shoot enemies at a distance, that my HMG can't reach. The enemy will think "He's barely doing any damage, so I should be able to mop the floor with this scrub"
They come rushing around the corner, right into my HMG going full blast. Tears them to shreds. You'd be surprised how many people fall for it, including well known players, lol... |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
248
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:31:00 -
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Shush, if you speak of the SMG 2 things will happen. 1. more people will use them 2. the nerf herd (see what I did there  ) will start screaming for SMG nerfs and generally cry about how sidearms shouldn't be able to kill anything. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
375
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:36:00 -
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Ya know what's delicious? Assault Scrambler Rifle + SMG.
Nothing like Swiss Clone Cheese.
He is the core gamer, the bastard child of the casual and hardcore gamer. He invests the former's effort and cries when he doesn't get the latter's results.
CrotchGrab 360 wrote:You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1536
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:39:00 -
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I seriously consider this weapon to be overpowered but I know that the community does not and I will not suggest nerfing this weapon.
However I slapped 2 MLT SMGs on a Militia Minnie Light and good god it's like flying buzz saw blades. I run up, point in the general area and shoot. The thing has spray like popped zit yet when ADS it's like perfect accuracy.
I've been getting very good scores with 2 mlt smgs lately, on a mlt suit, with mostly mlt gear (everything but the REs). I think that in all honesty that because they require less skill than scrambler pistols, the weapon I naturally use, that by comparison these weapons have an effectiveness that makes them, in my mind alone, OP.
But I aint suggesting no nerf ya hear! |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
380
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:43:00 -
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Omareth Nasadra wrote:Does the job when you spray, but inflict severe punishment when you ADS, love the headshot, these thing are beast
When I ADS I can't keep up with them strafing, then I look like a fool spraying and praying. I've become good at this although I'm not proud of it. I'm proud of ADS and killing fools in front of me. |
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