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ShotGun Stevie
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:38:00 -
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When the update of 1.4 comes rolling out what do you think will be next GÇ£NerfGÇ¥ thread. I for one know in fact that everyone and their mom will cry out that the Shot Gun is OP. Yet no change was made to the shotgun. Just a fixed hit detection across the board. Do any of you believe that the shotgun and HMG and other guns effected by the hit detection will be called if so please share your thoughts. Thank you
GÇô Flaylock Steve |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:42:00 -
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Let's call a spade a spade here: Everything that isn't an AR is considered OP because everyone wants this game to be a goddamned F2P CoD. In the self entitled minds of people that think this way, they can do no wrong and only want this game to be fair and fun for themselves and no one else. They'll degrade any weapon that they deem as "easy mode" due to misplaced xenophobic tendencies and a desire for a "fair fight" in a game designed to have messy full-scale battles. This mentality is a cancer on this community and until CCP stops trying to appeal to them at the expense of everyone else, Dust 514 will never get better. This game should be balanced to the point that nobody gives a flying flux about who's using what weapon aside from realizing that they need to use a different strategy on how to counter it. |
Bazookah Tooth
The Phoenix Federation
323
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:43:00 -
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I hope your wrong Steve. Theres a lot of bad press out there about Dust 514 right now and the last thing they need to lose people with specialist weapons.
The day I see a "nerf HMG" I will be happy like the MD users were at first and then suddenly very scared of what being in the spotlight requires. I hope the fixing of hit detection puts the AR back on the spot though because their range without lag is going to be brutal.
-bazookah (HMG for life) |
ShotGun Stevie
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:45:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Let's call a spade a spade here: Everything that isn't an AR is considered OP because everyone wants this game to be a goddamned F2P CoD. In the self entitled minds of people that think this way, they can do no wrong and only want this game to be fair and fun for themselves and no one else. They'll degrade any weapon that they deem as "easy mode" due to misplaced xenophobic tendencies and a desire for a "fair fight" in a game designed to have messy full-scale battles. This mentality is a cancer on this community and until CCP stops trying to appeal to them at the expense of everyone else, Dust 514 will never get better. This character was actually my main but I stopped using it because the hit detection sucks and because I accidently put the elite pack on Flaylock Steve. Once I start using my SG account or flaylock steve with a dren SG on a minja scout people will say IGÇÖm a FOTM chaser LOL when this account is twice the age of my alt xD. CanGÇÖt wait for the tears to roll in
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Malek McRoland
DUST University Ivy League
24
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:55:00 -
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If anything, AR users(including myself) should have their ARs nerfed to better distinguish standard from proto. The fact that the standard AR only does three points less of damage( or something close to that) than the proto eliminates the reason to skill higher into the skill tree. I have no problem with the TacAR as is, but I would just like AR users to stop calling for everything to be nerfed lol |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
339
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:56:00 -
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ShotGun Stevie wrote:When the update of 1.4 comes rolling out what do you think will be next GÇ£NerfGÇ¥ thread. I for one know in fact that everyone and their mom will cry out that the Shot Gun is OP. Yet no change was made to the shotgun. Just a fixed hit detection across the board. Do any of you believe that the shotgun and HMG and other guns effected by the hit detection will be called if so please share your thoughts. Thank you
GÇô Flaylock Steve Yes Shotgun is OP |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
714
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:56:00 -
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Malek McRoland wrote:If anything, AR users(including myself) should have their ARs nerfed to better distinguish standard from proto. The fact that the standard AR only does three points less of damage( or something close to that) than the proto eliminates the reason to skill higher into the skill tree. I have no problem with the TacAR as is, but I would just like AR users to stop calling for everything to be nerfed lol
3 points of damage over time plus multipliers (skills) adds up to a lot. |
ShotGun Stevie
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:59:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:ShotGun Stevie wrote:When the update of 1.4 comes rolling out what do you think will be next GÇ£NerfGÇ¥ thread. I for one know in fact that everyone and their mom will cry out that the Shot Gun is OP. Yet no change was made to the shotgun. Just a fixed hit detection across the board. Do any of you believe that the shotgun and HMG and other guns effected by the hit detection will be called if so please share your thoughts. Thank you
GÇô Flaylock Steve Yes Shotgun is OP LOL you actually posted xD
Off topic: Even though we don't agree on the same matter I love going against your Corp, add me in game.
On topic: Noob xD |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
395
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:01:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:ShotGun Stevie wrote:When the update of 1.4 comes rolling out what do you think will be next GÇ£NerfGÇ¥ thread. I for one know in fact that everyone and their mom will cry out that the Shot Gun is OP. Yet no change was made to the shotgun. Just a fixed hit detection across the board. Do any of you believe that the shotgun and HMG and other guns effected by the hit detection will be called if so please share your thoughts. Thank you
GÇô Flaylock Steve Yes Shotgun is OP Well instead of adding ShotGun Steve add this character so we can squad in game xD |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3042
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:05:00 -
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Lasers will make a comeback. Even if shotguns are fixed, that doesn't mean the paper-thin scouts wielding them will be buffed. I know shotgun assaults are a good idea, but the community has always been stuck in the mindset that scouts are only good for their speed. |
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Lightning xVx
Diamond-Dogs
144
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:07:00 -
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ShotGun Stevie wrote:When the update of 1.4 comes rolling out what do you think will be next GÇ£NerfGÇ¥ thread. I for one know in fact that everyone and their mom will cry out that the Shot Gun is OP. Yet no change was made to the shotgun. Just a fixed hit detection across the board. Do any of you believe that the shotgun and HMG and other guns effected by the hit detection will be called if so please share your thoughts. Thank you
GÇô Flaylock Steve
If Shotgun is nerfed more then what it is now, CCP will lose a customer. Permanently. |
ShotGun Stevie
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:10:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Lasers will make a comeback. Even if shotguns are fixed, that doesn't mean the paper-thin scouts wielding them will be buffed. I know shotgun assaults are a good idea, but the community has always been stuck in the mindset that scouts are only good for their speed. trust me, me in a minja scout you won't see me coming. I'll 1 hit kill everything in my path and make people cry tears of blood. As you lie there dead i'll be cleaning up my duck tape on my suit |
ShotGun Stevie
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:11:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:ShotGun Stevie wrote:When the update of 1.4 comes rolling out what do you think will be next GÇ£NerfGÇ¥ thread. I for one know in fact that everyone and their mom will cry out that the Shot Gun is OP. Yet no change was made to the shotgun. Just a fixed hit detection across the board. Do any of you believe that the shotgun and HMG and other guns effected by the hit detection will be called if so please share your thoughts. Thank you
GÇô Flaylock Steve If Shotgun is nerfed more then what it is now, CCP will lose a customer. Permanently. I'm calling it because I know how bad people cry |
Hellkeizer
The Avutora Complex
16
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:12:00 -
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I can already hear my friend saying, "That's so ****ing STUPID!" if I tell him shotguns might get nerfed. Please CCP for the sake of my ears, don't do it! |
Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
298
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:12:00 -
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With all the venom being spit concerning the MD, you would be bat crap crazy to think the Shotgun will suffer a different fate. Add in the fact that the MD was nerfed, then it was "un-nerfed" via hit detection being fixed. Compared to the Shotgun going back to the way it was with no nerf what-so-ever? There are not enough airguns in the world to clear out the amount of sand stuck in this communities vajay-jays... |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
340
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:17:00 -
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ShotGun Stevie wrote:NAV HIV wrote:ShotGun Stevie wrote:When the update of 1.4 comes rolling out what do you think will be next GÇ£NerfGÇ¥ thread. I for one know in fact that everyone and their mom will cry out that the Shot Gun is OP. Yet no change was made to the shotgun. Just a fixed hit detection across the board. Do any of you believe that the shotgun and HMG and other guns effected by the hit detection will be called if so please share your thoughts. Thank you
GÇô Flaylock Steve Yes Shotgun is OP LOL you actually posted xD Off topic: Even though we don't agree on the same matter I love going against your Corp, add me in game. On topic: Noob xD
LOL Sure thing
Flaylock MD SG Scrambler Logi Suit and MOst of all LOGI LAV is OP |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
340
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:18:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:NAV HIV wrote:ShotGun Stevie wrote:When the update of 1.4 comes rolling out what do you think will be next GÇ£NerfGÇ¥ thread. I for one know in fact that everyone and their mom will cry out that the Shot Gun is OP. Yet no change was made to the shotgun. Just a fixed hit detection across the board. Do any of you believe that the shotgun and HMG and other guns effected by the hit detection will be called if so please share your thoughts. Thank you
GÇô Flaylock Steve Yes Shotgun is OP Well instead of adding ShotGun Steve add this character so we can squad in game xD
Hmm Alter Accounts I see |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
340
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:19:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:ShotGun Stevie wrote:When the update of 1.4 comes rolling out what do you think will be next GÇ£NerfGÇ¥ thread. I for one know in fact that everyone and their mom will cry out that the Shot Gun is OP. Yet no change was made to the shotgun. Just a fixed hit detection across the board. Do any of you believe that the shotgun and HMG and other guns effected by the hit detection will be called if so please share your thoughts. Thank you
GÇô Flaylock Steve If Shotgun is nerfed more then what it is now, CCP will lose a customer. Permanently.
^^^ Nerf this guy first |
ShotGun Stevie
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:19:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:With all the venom being spit concerning the MD, you would be bat crap crazy to think the Shotgun will suffer a different fate. Add in the fact that the MD was nerfed, then it was "un-nerfed" via hit detection being fixed. Compared to the Shotgun going back to the way it was with no nerf what-so-ever? There are not enough airguns in the world to clear out the amount of sand stuck in this communities vajay-jays... Exactly, the shotgun NOW will be the same as 1.4. Just a better hit detection system |
ShotGun Stevie
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:20:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:NAV HIV wrote:ShotGun Stevie wrote:When the update of 1.4 comes rolling out what do you think will be next GÇ£NerfGÇ¥ thread. I for one know in fact that everyone and their mom will cry out that the Shot Gun is OP. Yet no change was made to the shotgun. Just a fixed hit detection across the board. Do any of you believe that the shotgun and HMG and other guns effected by the hit detection will be called if so please share your thoughts. Thank you
GÇô Flaylock Steve Yes Shotgun is OP Well instead of adding ShotGun Steve add this character so we can squad in game xD Hmm Alter Accounts I see Well, this was my main but I was drunk one night and put the elite pack on Flaylock Steve which at the time was my alt. This character is older by a month i believe |
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Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
1888
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:21:00 -
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Already called it.
Knight Soiaire wrote:
Once the Shotgun gets fixed, it'll get nerfed, the thing will be a beast in CQC and AR users wont like that one bit.
I'm calling it.
God I hope we're wrong.
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Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
474
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:22:00 -
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Oh you must have unlocked the DeLorean LAV. |
ShotGun Stevie
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:23:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Already called it. Knight Soiaire wrote:
Once the Shotgun gets fixed, it'll get nerfed, the thing will be a beast in CQC and AR users wont like that one bit.
I'm calling it.
God I hope we're wrong. CCP will nerf because ar cant take it out in cqc |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
109
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:34:00 -
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I expect to see nerf Nova Knife threads and nerf SG threads cuz they'll be beast in cqc |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
341
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:38:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:I expect to see nerf Nova Knife threads and nerf SG threads cuz they'll be beast in cqc
The take some skill LOL |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4358
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:38:00 -
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Why do we even try to have fun when this game is built around Caldari assaults with ARs? |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
605
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:42:00 -
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Malek McRoland wrote:If anything, AR users(including myself) should have their ARs nerfed to better distinguish standard from proto. The fact that the standard AR only does three points less of damage( or something close to that) than the proto eliminates the reason to skill higher into the skill tree.
Except you still see Duvolles everywhere. The effects of the skills are rather large, there's plenty of reason to get AR OP V even if you rarely use a duvolle. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1691
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:42:00 -
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aiming will be better... but have we heard anything about hit detection?
Shotgun has never been OP... its been a solid weapon for CQC for sure, and annoying to go against but ive never died to a shotgun and been like "**** it that **** is OP"
Explosives are still the only weapon in this game that I feel have ever been truly overpowered. They just don't work right and make the gameplay worse as a result. |
ExmapIe Core
Ancient ExiIes
87
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:46:00 -
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Shotgun is the only gun that actually takes skill. |
Lightning xVx
Diamond-Dogs
145
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:00:00 -
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ExmapIe Core wrote:Shotgun is the only gun that actually takes skill.
8 shells, opponent has double that with another light weapon. I say its a legit OHK weapon. |
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Goric Rumis
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
195
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:05:00 -
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Bazookah Tooth wrote:I hope your wrong Steve. Theres a lot of bad press out there about Dust 514 right now and the last thing they need to lose people with specialist weapons.
The day I see a "nerf HMG" I will be happy like the MD users were at first and then suddenly very scared of what being in the spotlight requires. I hope the fixing of hit detection puts the AR back on the spot though because their range without lag is going to be brutal.
-bazookah (HMG for life) I actually think the HMG will be relatively weaker. Because of the dispersion, it's not as impacted by the particular problem with hit detection as more precise weapons like the AR. (It's definitely impacted, just not as much as more precise weapons.) If that's really going to be fixed in 1.4, and assault rifles get a boost from aim assist, the HMG is going to be practically useless. At least, I think that's how it will work. I guess we'll find out in a couple weeks. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1560
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:25:00 -
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I can't wait for releases that won't turn every new iteration of dust into bizarro world. If aiming (amongst other things) is actually improved maybe we'll stop seeing so much cascading weirdness in the future. |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
115
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:28:00 -
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So thre might be a reason to "dust off the scout" for more then a quarter matches a day |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
4
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:31:00 -
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u mad i popped u with my popcorn machine POP POP ^-_-^ LOL |
Medical Crash
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
98
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:48:00 -
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If CCP ever gets the aiming right, shotguns will be forum enemy # 1. There are virtually none "SG are OPereed derp" threads should tell you something is wrong with them right now in DUST. People HATE shotguns, they hate getting killed in one shot in close quarters.
Have you every played BF3? Do you know many f * g admins ban shotguns from their servers? A LOT.
Do you know how many times I've had admins boot me in restriction free servers because they got mad for losing to shotguns? A LOT.
Then they have the nerve to send hatemail even though they only win due to admin abuse.
I'd say about 95% of dedicated servers do not allow shotguns, but the almighty AR is somehow NEVER banned. Even though I'm only effective in CLOSE QUARTERS, people still ***** about it. Stupid, makes no damn sense.
Here, this is what I'm talking about.
Me getting banned from BF3 server for making admin rage due to being shotgunned.
Can't wait till aiming is finally fixed in DUST, and we get to see morons come out of the woodwork crying on these forums. I will prepare a tear-cup of massive proportions. |
Bazookah Tooth
The Phoenix Federation
323
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:54:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:Bazookah Tooth wrote:I hope your wrong Steve. Theres a lot of bad press out there about Dust 514 right now and the last thing they need to lose people with specialist weapons.
The day I see a "nerf HMG" I will be happy like the MD users were at first and then suddenly very scared of what being in the spotlight requires. I hope the fixing of hit detection puts the AR back on the spot though because their range without lag is going to be brutal.
-bazookah (HMG for life) I actually think the HMG will be relatively weaker. Because of the dispersion, it's not as impacted by the particular problem with hit detection as more precise weapons like the AR. (It's definitely impacted, just not as much as more precise weapons.) If that's really going to be fixed in 1.4, and assault rifles get a boost from aim assist, the HMG is going to be practically useless. At least, I think that's how it will work. I guess we'll find out in a couple weeks.
There is much i despise about what you are saying but i think you may be right. I can only hope that with the hit detection fix all the time i have taken to make sure the little dot on the screen is on a target will pay off. The one thing i do think will happen is long distance shots for HMG will become better. We lost sharpshooter but its only amplified by the lag and hit detection. Should those two come together we may see a few more kills on the screen.
-bazookah (HMG for life) |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3050
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:02:00 -
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ShotGun Stevie wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Lasers will make a comeback. Even if shotguns are fixed, that doesn't mean the paper-thin scouts wielding them will be buffed. I know shotgun assaults are a good idea, but the community has always been stuck in the mindset that scouts are only good for their speed. trust me, me in a minja scout you won't see me coming. I'll 1 hit kill everything in my path and make people cry tears of blood. As you lie there dead i'll be cleaning up my duck tape on my suit As long as the other team isn't completely oblivious, you'll OHK one person, then get killed by somebody with a militia AR |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
512
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:06:00 -
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I hope so. My 2 mains are a Gallente Shotty and a Minnie Heavy. 1.4 is my golden egg laying goose. If only they had the racial Heavies inbound... And maps. |
8213
Grade No.2
169
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:17:00 -
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Forges |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1123
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:20:00 -
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HMGs
Because their carriers are going to get aim assist, be more durable and mobile, and they will have more accuracy. |
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FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
400
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Posted - 2013.08.20 04:29:00 -
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Oh the tears will surely fall. |
Valentine Crendre
ZionTCD
65
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Posted - 2013.08.20 05:51:00 -
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It may be OP but unreliably so.
Because the problem right now is this...
The scouts using the SG can attest that currently the hit detection is absolutely god awful and random. Even worse for KB/M users since the tweaks to SG/mouse sensitivity is jacked as well.
At close range, strafe SGing is very difficult because of the very tight spread on the blast. If you're lucky, you'll hit the target (with pretty much the entire spread). This will do a lot of damage, making the SG seem OP. But in reality, it's because the damn SG mechanic is broken and needs fixing. A SGunner needs both skill and luck to hit you on the first blast..
To remedy this, the spread on the SG should be tight on aiming down and the blast should fly wide when hip firing...
Of course, the screwy hit detection and mouse sensitivity is an entirely different issue and that needs to be addressed first before CCP can move onto "improving" the SG mechanics, in the terrible, unbalanced manner that they probably will undertake... |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
142
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Posted - 2013.08.20 06:10:00 -
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shotguns maybe in my opinion, but i honestly don't see you guys getting nerfed. I mean a shotgun is a shotgun. Its suppose to kill quick...... but the only thing i hate truly hate about shotguns is that the militia shotgun can do 1 hit klls just as good as a adv. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
208
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Posted - 2013.08.20 06:18:00 -
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The shotgun is fine but I want it nerfed because I dont like it, that is all lol |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
142
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Posted - 2013.08.20 06:31:00 -
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whoa whoa whoa... they can't nerf forges it's an AV weapon (and this comming frm a dropship pilot). it's not like MD or TACs this would be a can of worms.
what do you think is going to happen...... HAVs are gonna have just that much breathing room to pulverize infintry and if that happens the nerf infection will have spread to the already weakened and critical vehicle deprtment and CCP will won't just nerf HAVs but probably dropships too. CCP has done pointless nerfs (dropships) and buffs (LAVs) before.
yeah i can see it now..................................................................... an AR taking me down. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2013.08.20 08:36:00 -
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No,crybaby bitches go away! |
tander09
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
36
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Posted - 2013.08.20 09:07:00 -
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whats worse is shotgunners camp the objective and when people hack the objective, the use their instakill cannons to kill them and rack up their K/D ratio |
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