DUST Search - SP resets --why don't they exist?

Django Quik wrote:

THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:

its because "vets" dont want new people to adapt and defeat them
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Another lol post - vets have more SP, so they're more likely to want to put it ALL into the FOTM every time it changes, so they can get proto, prof 5 and every associated bonus skill for said FOTM. What will new people gain? A few levels into a weapon or suit? That won't help them beat the FOTM OP vets.

i like it when some ppl try to avoid facts and other valid reasons and i like to destroy them ppl with their own ignorance and hate

there are new ppl that like Dust514 and play it a lot but have no solid knowledge about SP system , gather and spend SP on most likely useless stuff untill they learn what and how

after they learned what and how they come here and ask aboot SP reset or respec hoping that they can undo their n00bish mistakes because now they know how the system works

the only ppl against this are the "vets" or "elitists" who hate a challenge and want easy money/kills

now if everyone would understand dusts SP well from the beggining we wouldnt have these kind of threads

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I like how you claim that people avoid facts and destroy themselves with their own ignorance and then you go on to ignore my very valid point to repeat your own foolish statements.

Yes people who made mistakes will be able to fix them but the advantages they gain will be very small against the advantages the vets who have vastly more SP to shift around into the current OP weapon. Respecs will be better for vets than anyone else - this is irrefutable - the more SP you have to respec, the greater the advantage.

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Seeth Mensch Damage Core corp. The Superpowers 6	Posted - 2013.08.17 20:48:00 - [1] - Quote I've only seen one post on this, and I'm curious. The general response was "They are not up-to-date with how it oughta be" Why not charge for it, then? 4 million ISK or 100 AUR for a reset, wiping the slate clean. I hit those numbers because it seems like 100 AUR is enough to make sure folks pay attention (and CCP gets a little cash), and the 4 million because it's a few game's worth (and enough to make sure you pay attention). You can probably make arguments for up or down, I just want it to be a compelling arguement. Game flexibility generates revenue--that's been found again and again in other games. I don't know why this would be different. Whatcha think?
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2557	Posted - 2013.08.17 20:54:00 - [2] - Quote If you've only seen one post on this, you probably joined the forums about 3 minutes ago. Welcome. Ish. 100 AUR for a reset is far too little. Same with 4 million isk. Also, if you had an option to do this then all the battlefield would ever be is FotM chasers and a couple of newbies/weirdos using other things.
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 48	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:00:00 - [3] - Quote They probably will eventually. Last one they tried didn't go so smoothly (understatement) so they'll have to put a lot of effort into it before it becomes a paid mechanic.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1263	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:07:00 - [4] - Quote Lol, you've only seen ONE post on this? Have you been living under a rock?
gargantuise aaron Sanguine Knights 67	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:09:00 - [5] - Quote You know how the flaylock was o.p. for s bit imagine if everyone had profenciency 5 flaylock So yeah, also I support dust organized resets but never when players want
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3606	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:12:00 - [6] - Quote Never going to happen. CCP said there will be no pay-to-win and respecs for AUR is just making it pay-to-win. Even with the ISK cost, that will mean that only wealthy players who are bankrolling in hundreds of millions of ISK thanks to planetary district ownership will be able to swim in FoTM galore.
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 48	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:15:00 - [7] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Never going to happen. CCP said there will be no pay-to-win and respecs for AUR is just making it pay-to-win. Even with the ISK cost, that will mean that only wealthy players who are bankrolling in hundreds of millions of ISK thanks to planetary district ownership will be able to swim in FoTM galore. I don't think its necessarily pay to win to allow respecs. I would make the cool down penalty for it long though, as in 6 months or so to discourage abuse.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1230	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:17:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Never going to happen. CCP said there will be no pay-to-win and respecs for AUR is just making it pay-to-win. Even with the ISK cost, that will mean that only wealthy players who are bankrolling in hundreds of millions of ISK thanks to planetary district ownership will be able to swim in FoTM galore. When did they say that?
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 145	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:27:00 - [9] - Quote its because "vets" dont want new people to adapt and defeat them
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7396	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:32:00 - [10] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: its because "vets" dont want new people to adapt and defeat them Oh there have been plenty of vets that have made mistakes. Also 12 million sp is all it takes to catch up to any vet.

Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1266	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:51:00 - [11] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: its because "vets" dont want new people to adapt and defeat them Another lol post - vets have more SP, so they're more likely to want to put it ALL into the FOTM every time it changes, so they can get proto, prof 5 and every associated bonus skill for said FOTM. What will new people gain? A few levels into a weapon or suit? That won't help them beat the FOTM OP vets.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 448	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:55:00 - [12] - Quote Django Quik wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: its because "vets" dont want new people to adapt and defeat them Another lol post - vets have more SP, so they're more likely to want to put it ALL into the FOTM every time it changes, so they can get proto, prof 5 and every associated bonus skill for said FOTM. What will new people gain? A few levels into a weapon or suit? That won't help them beat the FOTM OP vets. This is my point on no Respecs. The only thing that should is missing racial things.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3607	Posted - 2013.08.17 22:30:00 - [13] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Never going to happen. CCP said there will be no pay-to-win and respecs for AUR is just making it pay-to-win. Even with the ISK cost, that will mean that only wealthy players who are bankrolling in hundreds of millions of ISK thanks to planetary district ownership will be able to swim in FoTM galore. When did they say that? Fanfest 2012, Fanfest 2013, E3 2012, E3 2013, including articles posted by Playstation Universe, The Mittani, as well the official Playstation website. No pay-to-win. Period. If there are items found to be pay-to-win, they get reported by players and CCP fixes them.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.08.17 22:35:00 - [14] - Quote Who in their right mind would pay to get all theiyr sp reseted? Or did you mean a respec? Ps: this post should not be taken seriously.
TEBOW BAGGINS Rebel Raiders Inc. 889	Posted - 2013.08.17 22:36:00 - [15] - Quote should be aurum only, no resets for isk and it needs to be waaaaay more than 100 aurum, that's what, 50 cents?
Kane Banned Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.08.17 22:40:00 - [16] - Quote Guys I think the OP is talking about wiping your own SP not a respec.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3607	Posted - 2013.08.17 22:45:00 - [17] - Quote Kane Banned wrote: Guys I think the OP is talking about wiping your own SP not a respec. In that case, no one will pay money for that even if CCP offered it.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3607	Posted - 2013.08.17 22:58:00 - [18] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: should be aurum only, no resets for isk and it needs to be waaaaay more than 100 aurum, that's what, 50 cents? Even if that were to be the case, which is as unlikely as ever finding an honest politician, there are a few things to remember. The Open Market CCP already has plans to allow direct player-to-player trading of items just like how it all is in Eve Online. Basically copying Eve Online's economic model into Dust 514. That means that practically every AUR item will likely be bought originally with cash by Player A but then Player A will turn around and sell the AUR item to Player B who is willing to pay tens of millions (if not hundreds of million) of ISK for that item. Currently in Eve Online, Pilot License Extension (PLEX) have been working this way for years now since as early as 2010 and so far the model has been working nearly flawlessly which enabled players to pay for their subscriptions with ISK rather than real cash while CCP still benefits from this because one PLEX will need to originally be bought with cash by the initial buyer in the primary market before the PLEX is put into the secondary market. That PLEX can then be redeemed for game time or converted to AUR for purchasing vanity items like coats, tattoos, and monocles. Those vanity items that are bought from the primary NPC market are then turned around and sold in the secondary market for ISK to other players by the original buyers. It sounds complicated but it's actually straight forward and much more simple than it looks if you think about it. Wealth is Power Even if you take away the option to trade the AUR item for ISK, that will mean that only those with cash can benefit from this which then officially makes the whole thing pay-to-win as players who can't afford spending real cash will be singled out from respeccing. EDIT I forgot to mention earlier that in the PLEX market, the ISK price of every PLEX in the Eve economy is determined primarily by the players in addition to the laws of supply and demand. If the supply of PLEX is down and the demand is up, then the price in ISK skyrockets. The average price is 550 million ISK per PLEX currently in the market. If the supply is plentiful, and demand is low, the price drops. The laws of supply and demand also forces the player to decide on one of three things: A. Buy PLEX with ISK B. Buy PLEX with Cash and capitalize on the ISK price spike C. Spend $15 for renewing your subscription
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 149	Posted - 2013.08.17 23:11:00 - [19] - Quote Django Quik wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: its because "vets" dont want new people to adapt and defeat them Another lol post - vets have more SP, so they're more likely to want to put it ALL into the FOTM every time it changes, so they can get proto, prof 5 and every associated bonus skill for said FOTM. What will new people gain? A few levels into a weapon or suit? That won't help them beat the FOTM OP vets. i like it when some ppl try to avoid facts and other valid reasons and i like to destroy them ppl with their own ignorance and hate there are new ppl that like Dust514 and play it a lot but have no solid knowledge about SP system , gather and spend SP on most likely useless stuff untill they learn what and how after they learned what and how they come here and ask aboot SP reset or respec hoping that they can undo their n00bish mistakes because now they know how the system works the only ppl against this are the "vets" or "elitists" who hate a challenge and want easy money/kills now if everyone would understand dusts SP well from the beggining we wouldnt have these kind of threads Destroyed NEXT
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1269	Posted - 2013.08.17 23:18:00 - [20] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Django Quik wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: its because "vets" dont want new people to adapt and defeat them Another lol post - vets have more SP, so they're more likely to want to put it ALL into the FOTM every time it changes, so they can get proto, prof 5 and every associated bonus skill for said FOTM. What will new people gain? A few levels into a weapon or suit? That won't help them beat the FOTM OP vets. i like it when some ppl try to avoid facts and other valid reasons and i like to destroy them ppl with their own ignorance and hate there are new ppl that like Dust514 and play it a lot but have no solid knowledge about SP system , gather and spend SP on most likely useless stuff untill they learn what and how after they learned what and how they come here and ask aboot SP reset or respec hoping that they can undo their n00bish mistakes because now they know how the system works the only ppl against this are the "vets" or "elitists" who hate a challenge and want easy money/kills now if everyone would understand dusts SP well from the beggining we wouldnt have these kind of threads Destroyed NEXT I like how you claim that people avoid facts and destroy themselves with their own ignorance and then you go on to ignore my very valid point to repeat your own foolish statements. Yes people who made mistakes will be able to fix them but the advantages they gain will be very small against the advantages the vets who have vastly more SP to shift around into the current OP weapon. Respecs will be better for vets than anyone else - this is irrefutable - the more SP you have to respec, the greater the advantage.

THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 150	Posted - 2013.08.17 23:23:00 - [21] - Quote Django Quik wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Django Quik wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: its because "vets" dont want new people to adapt and defeat them Another lol post - vets have more SP, so they're more likely to want to put it ALL into the FOTM every time it changes, so they can get proto, prof 5 and every associated bonus skill for said FOTM. What will new people gain? A few levels into a weapon or suit? That won't help them beat the FOTM OP vets. i like it when some ppl try to avoid facts and other valid reasons and i like to destroy them ppl with their own ignorance and hate there are new ppl that like Dust514 and play it a lot but have no solid knowledge about SP system , gather and spend SP on most likely useless stuff untill they learn what and how after they learned what and how they come here and ask aboot SP reset or respec hoping that they can undo their n00bish mistakes because now they know how the system works the only ppl against this are the "vets" or "elitists" who hate a challenge and want easy money/kills now if everyone would understand dusts SP well from the beggining we wouldnt have these kind of threads Destroyed NEXT I like how you claim that people avoid facts and destroy themselves with their own ignorance and then you go on to ignore my very valid point to repeat your own foolish statements. Yes people who made mistakes will be able to fix them but the advantages they gain will be very small against the advantages the vets who have vastly more SP to shift around into the current OP weapon. Respecs will be better for vets than anyone else - this is irrefutable - the more SP you have to respec, the greater the advantage. you have no valid point what so ever wanna know why? because some ppl catch up fast how the system works , thats why they "elitists" the only mistakes these "elitists" can undo with a respec are the ones that CCP loves to bless us with , TEH NERFS you into BDSM? cuz it seems you like getting beaten up NEXT
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1269	Posted - 2013.08.17 23:32:00 - [22] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: you have no valid point what so ever wanna know why? because some ppl catch up fast how the system works , thats why they "elitists" the only mistakes these "elitists" can undo with a respec are the ones that CCP loves to bless us with , TEH NERFS you into BDSM? cuz it seems you like getting beaten up NEXT WTH are you talking about? Vets with 15m+ SP wouldn't be respeccing to correct mistakes - they'd be respeccing to completely max out the current OP weapon and decimate everyone else (newer players especially) for the next month or so until another weapon becomes the latest FOTM. The game will never be perfectly balanced and there will always be new stuff coming out that tips the balance one way or another. All respecs allow is the vets to follow the balance wherever it may go and non-vets will still struggle even though they can correct any mistakes they make.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 150	Posted - 2013.08.17 23:34:00 - [23] - Quote Django Quik wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: you have no valid point what so ever wanna know why? because some ppl catch up fast how the system works , thats why they "elitists" the only mistakes these "elitists" can undo with a respec are the ones that CCP loves to bless us with , TEH NERFS you into BDSM? cuz it seems you like getting beaten up NEXT WTH are you talking about? Vets with 15m+ SP wouldn't be respeccing to correct mistakes - they'd be respeccing to completely max out the current OP weapon and decimate everyone else (newer players especially) for the next month or so until another weapon becomes the latest FOTM. The game will never be perfectly balanced and there will always be new stuff coming out that tips the balance one way or another. All respecs allow is the vets to follow the balance wherever it may go and non-vets will still struggle even though they can correct any mistakes they make. they most likely maxed out the core of what they use the most NEXT
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1269	Posted - 2013.08.17 23:38:00 - [24] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: they most likely maxed out the core of what they use the most NEXT Duh, yes, but if something better comes along, respecs will allow them to max that out straight away and they won't give a second thought to their old favourite.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 150	Posted - 2013.08.17 23:41:00 - [25] - Quote Django Quik wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: they most likely maxed out the core of what they use the most NEXT Duh, yes, but if something better comes along, respecs will allow them to max that out straight away and they won't give a second thought to their old favourite. when i say "elitists" i mean ppl that catch up fast how the SP system works and know what they want from the start and into what to spend the right way their SP NEXT
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1269	Posted - 2013.08.17 23:51:00 - [26] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: when i say "elitists" i mean ppl that catch up fast how the SP system works and know what they want from the start and into what to spend the right way their SP NEXT You may be talking about the people who learn how to make the most of the SP system very quickly but I'm talking about the vets with 15m+ SP who will benefit more than anyone else from respecs being available.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 150	Posted - 2013.08.17 23:55:00 - [27] - Quote Django Quik wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: when i say "elitists" i mean ppl that catch up fast how the SP system works and know what they want from the start and into what to spend the right way their SP NEXT You may be talking about the people who learn how to make the most of the SP system very quickly but I'm talking about the vets with 15m+ SP who will benefit more than anyone else from respecs being available. you try too hard , you repeat yourself , you want the last word? you got it
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 901	Posted - 2013.08.18 00:54:00 - [28] - Quote Thankfully the sentiment seems to be shifting toward the community supporting respecs. Who knows if CCP will listen though. I'm almost at the point where I don't enjoy the role I'm playing at all anymore. Any person that wants this game to succeed can't honestly think me (and many others) stepping away from the game while my passive SP accrues is a good thing. There are a lot of people that are where I'm at right now or have been at some point. Some are just flat bored with the game, but either way why would you keep a mentality that arguably punishes customers. While my issue isn't related to a mistake made out of ignorance or being unhappy with a nerf I still have a difficult time understanding the mentality of either enjoying their unhappiness or stubbornly wanting them to suck it up and grinding for weeks/months to rectify their issue. Just doesn't seem like the right direction for a game undergoing so many changes, not being able to retain new players, and losing veteran players. I know where the mentality comes from and I firmly believe that it'll take a drastic shift from Eve minded developers and CPM members that have extensive Eve backgrounds. This will never happen though. I've posted in a lot of these threads so I'm sure at this point many people are rolling their eyes. I just don't think they have the luxury of forcing their mindset on a market of gamers that is unaccustomed and/or uninterested in grinding for weeks/months to fix a problem with their character. Especially considering there is nothing to prepare new players for what they are getting into. The issue of expecting players to use a crystal ball to look into the future to determine future nerfs is another mindset that fascinates me. The only remotely reasonable counter to respecs is the FOTM argument, but isn't that more of an issue to take up with the folks that make such horribly unbalanced weapons/vehicles/roles possible?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 901	Posted - 2013.08.18 01:07:00 - [29] - Quote If there were a respec next week does anybody believe that everyone will spec into gallente suits and MDs? Or would they spec into LLAVs? I don't see anything right now that could be considered a FOTM. The MD is the closest thing ATM. Especially with all these new suits and weapon variants coming SOON. I'd honestly consider not going proto in anything. Just spreading it out to the advanced level in order to play different roles in a given match. Especially considering the competitive aspect of this game is largely dead. I won't do that, but I don't have any idea what I'd do if all my SP was reallocated. I thought I did, but the possible nerf to shields has me scared to continue skilling from ADV to PRO in Min Assault. I don't see anything that screams OP outside of the gallente or min logi with the stats being thrown around by CCP in regards to armor buffs.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 539	Posted - 2013.08.18 02:08:00 - [30] - Quote Seeth Mensch wrote: I've only seen one post on this, and I'm curious. The general response was "They are not up-to-date with how it oughta be" Why not charge for it, then? 4 million ISK or 100 AUR for a reset, wiping the slate clean. I hit those numbers because it seems like 100 AUR is enough to make sure folks pay attention (and CCP gets a little cash), and the 4 million because it's a few game's worth (and enough to make sure you pay attention). You can probably make arguments for up or down, I just want it to be a compelling arguement. Game flexibility generates revenue--that's been found again and again in other games. I don't know why this would be different. Whatcha think? your post just makes this topic 1 of HUNDREDS!..... and no.....



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