OK, so the prevalence of fat suits running AR's/MD's and now the rise of the Forge Gun Snipers has become such common place on the battle field we need to look at how the role of the heavy needs a rethink.

Personally; heavies should not be able to equip light weapons. It's basically some idiot with a crap gun game that needs to be protected by tons of EHP because he/she hasn't got the skill to run a proper suit. Make it so that heavies can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm.

Forge Guns; such a stupid weapon! It does more damage than a tank turret and cost significantly less. Having forge gunners hiding in the hills popping infantry like they are ants isn't what I think CCP was expecting the gun to be used for. There is no "fall off" on damage for the range and it can be damn near impossible to determine the location of the heavy (at least there is a sniper trail from a sniper rifle).

Forge Gun suggestions:

1) Increase the cost of forge guns to be in-line with tank turret costs; come on, they are pretty much the same thing, they should cost serious ISK.

2) Make forge guns ineffective against infantry; sure people will cry about this, but isn't the forge gun supposed to be an AV weapon??

3) Forge Guns should increase the sig radius of the heavy so they can be swarmed! Yes, that's right, you use your forge gun its expands your sig radius so much that my friends proto swarms can lock you!

4) Add an "ionised trail" back to the location of the heavy! Seriously, that much energy would probably leave a trail of some kind!!

Yes, I've been touched in a bad place by too many heavies.

Comments/trolls/grief welcome.

o/

Lol seriously?
1. Sure if you give me the survivability of a tank and speed.
2. It isn't a AV, it supposed to be for both.
3. Lolwut? Heavies are already squishy enough
4. Lolno, it's already in a disadvantage. Try looking around. .

Lol dude this post seriously fails so hard. Rising the cost to the same as a turrent? Lol that's dumb, try using the gun and tell me how good you do with it. Please stop posting. And only allow heavies to use heavy weaponry only is dumb as heck. Hmg isn't where it should be power wise. And it's fun running around with a sniper in a fat suit lol Stop posting

OK, so the prevalence of fat suits running AR's/MD's and now the rise of the Forge Gun Snipers has become such common place on the battle field we need to look at how the role of the heavy needs a rethink.

Personally; heavies should not be able to equip light weapons. It's basically some idiot with a crap gun game that needs to be protected by tons of EHP because he/she hasn't got the skill to run a proper suit. Make it so that heavies can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm.

Forge Guns; such a stupid weapon! It does more damage than a tank turret and cost significantly less. Having forge gunners hiding in the hills popping infantry like they are ants isn't what I think CCP was expecting the gun to be used for. There is no "fall off" on damage for the range and it can be damn near impossible to determine the location of the heavy (at least there is a sniper trail from a sniper rifle).

Forge Gun suggestions:

1) Increase the cost of forge guns to be in-line with tank turret costs; come on, they are pretty much the same thing, they should cost serious ISK.

2) Make forge guns ineffective against infantry; sure people will cry about this, but isn't the forge gun supposed to be an AV weapon??

3) Forge Guns should increase the sig radius of the heavy so they can be swarmed! Yes, that's right, you use your forge gun its expands your sig radius so much that my friends proto swarms can lock you!

4) Add an "ionised trail" back to the location of the heavy! Seriously, that much energy would probably leave a trail of some kind!!

Yes, I've been touched in a bad place by too many heavies.

Comments/trolls/grief welcome.

o/

I'll bet you also want an under barrel swarm launcher attachment on that AR you run?
On the off chance you arent an AR scrub, I offer you my amazement at your stupidity. You know, cause ARs being foolish is forum common occurrence.

Oh dude, did I suggest ways to mess up your game? Oh dear, sorry abt that. Would have been nice to have a proper response, so I will chalk this one under troll/grief.

Pointless response is pointless.... but no, I'm an SMG scout FYI.

Lol! You're such an idiot. Before you talk please educated yourself on the gun

1. It's not a AV
2. The gun takes more skill than using a AR. you also have less survivability than a tank which is why it doesn't cost the same as a turrent.
And before you say this hurts me stop sounding like a selfish a*s. i actually have almost every weapon in the game on this character at advanced level. So I know wtf I'm talking about when it comes to weaponry

Dude, you need to smoke something, your gunna have an heart attack before your 40 (unless you're 40 then dude your gunna have one soonGäó). Why so angry, suggestions are what make the game evolve, good and bad.

OK, so the prevalence of fat suits running AR's/MD's and now the rise of the Forge Gun Snipers has become such common place on the battle field we need to look at how the role of the heavy needs a rethink.

Personally; heavies should not be able to equip light weapons. It's basically some idiot with a crap gun game that needs to be protected by tons of EHP because he/she hasn't got the skill to run a proper suit. Make it so that heavies can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm.

Forge Guns; such a stupid weapon! It does more damage than a tank turret and cost significantly less. Having forge gunners hiding in the hills popping infantry like they are ants isn't what I think CCP was expecting the gun to be used for. There is no "fall off" on damage for the range and it can be damn near impossible to determine the location of the heavy (at least there is a sniper trail from a sniper rifle).

Forge Gun suggestions:

1) Increase the cost of forge guns to be in-line with tank turret costs; come on, they are pretty much the same thing, they should cost serious ISK.

2) Make forge guns ineffective against infantry; sure people will cry about this, but isn't the forge gun supposed to be an AV weapon??

3) Forge Guns should increase the sig radius of the heavy so they can be swarmed! Yes, that's right, you use your forge gun its expands your sig radius so much that my friends proto swarms can lock you!

4) Add an "ionised trail" back to the location of the heavy! Seriously, that much energy would probably leave a trail of some kind!!

Yes, I've been touched in a bad place by too many heavies.

Comments/trolls/grief welcome.

o/

a well reasoned, adult, response ..

This guy needs to go play something else........someone's butthurt about forge gunners.....OK here's the issue..

Strafing, open maps, and the crappy range and accuracy of the hmg have lead to this.....now the only truly effective weapon the heavy has is the fg .....this is what happens when you nerf stuff that doesn't need to be nerfed and buff things that just make your other nees worse.....

if the heavy suit should only use heavy weapon slots..

then i guess we could all spec into commando suit and use hmgs and forge guns to kill u with!....

hmg for ppl who try to sneak up on us.. and the forge gun to shoot u from a distance!
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i know but his idea esseintaily mean that heavy suits can only use heavy weapon so that mean the commando suit would have to get its 2 light weapon slots turned into 2 heavy weapon slots..

OK, so the prevalence of fat suits running AR's/MD's and now the rise of the Forge Gun Snipers has become such common place on the battle field we need to look at how the role of the heavy needs a rethink.

Personally; heavies should not be able to equip light weapons. It's basically some idiot with a crap gun game that needs to be protected by tons of EHP because he/she hasn't got the skill to run a proper suit. Make it so that heavies can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm.

Forge Guns; such a stupid weapon! It does more damage than a tank turret and cost significantly less. Having forge gunners hiding in the hills popping infantry like they are ants isn't what I think CCP was expecting the gun to be used for. There is no "fall off" on damage for the range and it can be damn near impossible to determine the location of the heavy (at least there is a sniper trail from a sniper rifle).

Forge Gun suggestions:

1) Increase the cost of forge guns to be in-line with tank turret costs; come on, they are pretty much the same thing, they should cost serious ISK.

2) Make forge guns ineffective against infantry; sure people will cry about this, but isn't the forge gun supposed to be an AV weapon??

3) Forge Guns should increase the sig radius of the heavy so they can be swarmed! Yes, that's right, you use your forge gun its expands your sig radius so much that my friends proto swarms can lock you!

4) Add an "ionised trail" back to the location of the heavy! Seriously, that much energy would probably leave a trail of some kind!!

Yes, I've been touched in a bad place by too many heavies.

1) Increase the cost of forge guns to be in-line with tank turret costs; come on, they are pretty much the same thing, they should cost serious ISK.

NO.A heavy does not have the 8000+ HP a tanker has to obviously they need to be cheaper.

2) Make forge guns ineffective against infantry; sure people will cry about this, but isn't the forge gun supposed to be an AV weapon??

No its an antimaterial weapon. Its supposed to be effective against EVERYTHING.

3) Forge Guns should increase the sig radius of the heavy so they can be swarmed! Yes, that's right, you use your forge gun its expands your sig radius so much that my friends proto swarms can lock you!

Thats as stupid as this post.

4) Add an "ionised trail" back to the location of the heavy! Seriously, that much energy would probably leave a trail of some kind!!

That wouldn't be to bad.

Yes, I've been touched in a bad place by too many heavies.

THANK MURDER TAXIS

o/

So, a fool who's never played heavies want to duguise a FG nerf thread under the guise of rethinking the heavy.

FG's have alpha. Rails have DPS. Balanced.

Heavies slower then tanks. Balanced.

Heavies take full damage from small arms. Balanced.

FG sniping is exactly the same as normal sniping only no scope, low ROF, OHK smaller suits, and can only be used by heavies. Balanced.

The heavy is used with ARs cause fools like you who know nothing about the heavy suit got annoyed a Snail Suit with a good gun killed you and your AR consistently.

Thread invalidated, and brought to light.

GTFO.

The forge gun is in a perfect place right now, it is in fact a very large scopeless sniper rifle, same technology, some long range strategy that the Caldari utilize, just a bigger bullet.

We have very few good weapons in the game AR, ScrR, SR, MD, and forges. That is about it, and you are talking about nerfing the least used weapon with the lowest k/d ratio in the list.

I don't think a forge gun sniper should be able to take out a sniper literally half the map away.....don't get me wrong it must have been a good shot....but seriously, forge gun sniping needs to stop especially if it takes 3-6 shots to take out a heavy.

Not trolling, just tired of being out sniped by a style-less sniper that shoots a flipping bomb!!!!

IMO forge gun sniping is for people that don't have the accuracy to use a sniper.

There's 10 cents, my 2 cents is free

yeah, it's EXACTLY like the caldari strategy because it's a caldari weapon

Number 1 isn't fair if you do Number 2, Number 4 isn't necessary if you do Number 3, Number 2 isn't necessary if you do Number 4, and Number 3 is overkill if you do Number 1.

Sorry to hear that.
Before you engage a heavy with a forge gun, be aware of your surroundings. It's generally NOT in your best interest to engage a FG with your whole body exposed; and when engaging from behind cover make sure that your cover is sufficient that a FG round cannot land right next to you. In other words, don't shoot at a forge gunner from behind a small box, shoot from behind a wide platform.

in the description of the heavy suit, it says that it is capable of withstanding concentrated small arms fire, last time i checked, light weapons such as ARs and snipers are considered small arms, explain why a milita AR can kill a proto heavy tanked suit in 1 clip

We have very few good weapons in the game AR, ScrR, SR, MD, and forges. That is about it, and you are talking about nerfing the least used weapon with the lowest k/d ratio in the list.

I don't think any of my suggestions are a nerf to FG's, you need to re-read dude. Yes, you could say I'm looking to nerf heavies, and there is plenty of QQ in this thread to cover that. The point being using a FG should have consequences.

The militia guy is actually a proto guy with maxed skills in AR and is stacking complex dmg mods? Or you're a **** fit proto? Or you don't have an escape car nearby.

I'm not quite sure where I saw this, but the militia AR does upwards of 1580-1800 dps, whisch is more than a heavy can tank even w/ complex everything

Wow,,,this is BY FAR THE WORST QQ thread Ive ever read,,u sound like a screaming baby waiting on momma's teet. Yeah I said it,,stop boo-hooing and get good,,,too many gamers lookin for the easy button,,go play little big planet u friggin child

The suit and forge gun are both working as intended sir, I run logi not heavy and have previously run heavy, yes they are squishy and can be killed as well as seen when you have a look around. Sometimes it's death from above and most of the time it is death from not using your radar, a heavy has the highest sig radius of all the suits and as such does a terrible job of sneaking around. Seriously though I wish there were a way to minimize the amount of damage taken by infantry from a Forge Gun such as not taking all the splash damage (only taking what hits you) rather than a full blast from a forge gun when you get splashed. It may make OHKing guys a wee bit harder.

Lol seriously?
1. Sure if you give me the survivability of a tank and speed.
2. It isn't a AV, it supposed to be for both.
3. Lolwut? Heavies are already squishy enough
4. Lolno, it's already in a disadvantage. Try looking around. .

Lol dude this post seriously fails so hard. Rising the cost to the same as a turrent? Lol that's dumb, try using the gun and tell me how good you do with it. Please stop posting. And only allow heavies to use heavy weaponry only is dumb as heck. Hmg isn't where it should be power wise. And it's fun running around with a sniper in a fat suit lol Stop posting

1. If you get the survivability of a tank and speed, your suit and modules should cost the same as a tank and vehicle modules.
2. It's anti-materiel, which honestly it shouldn't be. Lose the direct damage, or lose the splash radius. Both is retardedly powerful.
3. You have a weapon that does more damage than a proto large rail turret. Yes, you should be squishy. the term "Glass Cannon" comes to mind. This game is about using modules to balance your dps and your survivability. You do not get to have both.
4. If there shouldn't be a trail, then it shouldn't have the range it does.

I'm fully in support of raising the price of forge guns. You should pay to deal that much damage.

On an unrelated note, why does everyone like to add an "n" into turret?

I will. Wait to respond to your idiocy when I'm on a computer.

On a mobile right now.

By your logic, then Caldari AR scrubs should have to pay 2mil plus for their suits, which i support after all you should have to pay for all that damage, range, speed, ammo,etc. FFS people, leave the ONE viable hvy weapon alone. Or at least wait till i get my f***in hvy laser