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Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.17 09:00:00 -
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Like, it's an even worse version of the basic heavy suit. I dunno, I just don't see how it's useful... If someone could explain it, that would be awesome.
Also, this is probably the biggest derp idea, but I'm thinking i'm gunna be a repping commando, just for ***** and giggles. |
richiesutie 2
Seraphim Auxiliaries
236
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Posted - 2013.08.17 09:04:00 -
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it has two light weapon slots? |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1559
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Posted - 2013.08.17 09:08:00 -
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^^ stop listening to to the devs who have no idea what they are doing the commando isn't even close to useful. It's bonuses literally are useless. *if you use math which CCP doesn't apparently* The only thing it has going for it is the 2 light arms.
now maybe if they have 2 lights and a heavy slot...
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7386
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Posted - 2013.08.17 09:13:00 -
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Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line. |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
1252
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Posted - 2013.08.17 09:47:00 -
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I actually died to a commando yesterday - saw a heavy with a shotgun, so I backed up a bit and lined up my pistol only for him to switch to a scrambler rifle and smash me in a second. I shall no longer presume a heavy without a heavy weapon is an easy kill that requires the least possible effort. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
633
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Posted - 2013.08.17 10:05:00 -
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I right now love the commando as a support class like Iron Wolf said.
Mass Driver + Scrambler is the way to go, or some other combination of one-two punch. Works best with a squad, as you can support long range and close range. You can even run with a repair tool or injector and support your team further!
Other combos I like: Mass Driver + Mass Driver Scrambler + Assault Scrambler (tactical and standard AR works too) Plasma Cannon + Mass Driver Assault Rifle + Shotgun ___________________
The secret to success is to use both weapons to their full potential. For instance, The scrambler does 20% more damage to shields, and the mass driver does 20% more damage to armor. The downside to these weapons is that they are only efffective vs one type of health, whereas using them in combination means you are doing 120% damage all the time.
Play this class similar to a two handed warrior class. You don't have much health so you have to rely on your damage to take players out before they can take you out. Also, you don't have that much health, and it's even worse that you move slow too. |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
162
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Posted - 2013.08.17 10:38:00 -
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With biotec upgrades you can punch someone so hard you drive them into the dirt like a stake
Edit - Falcon Punch!! |
Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2013.08.17 10:39:00 -
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Cool, cool cool....
Already started specing into scrambler rifles, but boo that the MD is the only light weapon that's a lot effective against armor.
And I'm going to have to save up a fucks ton of SP and just throw it all into repair tools.... Yeah, I'mma be badassed heavy repair man. No one is going to want to see one heavy getting repped by another heavy... Hahahahahahaha, they'd go blind!
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Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2013.08.17 10:42:00 -
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broonfondle majikthies wrote:With biotec upgrades you can punch someone so hard you drive them into the dirt like a stake
Yeah, I noticed they have like 240 melee damage... Too bad the std suit has no mod slots |
Mad Syringe
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
15
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Posted - 2013.08.17 11:17:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't commandos traveling light with special equipment?
I'd say a commando should be based on the Logi class, or at least the medium frame. Like two weapons and 2 equipment but low base stats (lower than logi), less modules (like a scout) and a little bit slower with a low scan profile (if that mechanic ever gets implemented correctly).
So that it's low profile for infiltrating and versatile because of the two weapons.
Cheers Mad |
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Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
293
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Posted - 2013.08.17 12:05:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't commandos traveling light with special equipment?
I'd say a commando should be based on the Logi class, or at least the medium frame. Like two weapons and 2 equipment but low base stats (lower than logi), less modules (like a scout) and a little bit slower with a low scan profile (if that mechanic ever gets implemented correctly).
So that it's low profile for infiltrating and versatile because of the two weapons.
Cheers Mad
sounds like a heavy scout.... start pushing now... theres only one light suit class atm :) |
Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2013.08.17 12:06:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line.
Yeah, tell that to Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He killed a small country by himself to rescue Alyssa Milano. |
Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
122
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Posted - 2013.08.17 12:21:00 -
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Maybe that equipment slot was put in place in preparation for cloaking equipment!? Just an idea that might explain its paper-thin bad at everything-ness. |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
573
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Posted - 2013.08.18 01:28:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line.
Yeah. KILLER Support.
As it is the commandos cant win a 1 on 1 fight against any logi LOL |
calvin b
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
315
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Posted - 2013.08.18 01:49:00 -
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The Commandont is a joke. As a true heavy I see them as an easy 50 points. They need more slots early in there progress and more speed. Also lower the cost.
Standard should have 2 high 1 lows
Advanced 2 highs 2 lows
Proto 3 Highs 2 Lows
Heavy should be 6.0 Speed
Commandont should be 6.5
Assault should be 7.0
Scout 8.0
I know the scouts fast who would have thunk it. The scout has to be fast because it sacrifices its armor for speed. Just a thought. |
Faquira Bleuetta
Pure Innocence. EoN.
68
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Posted - 2013.08.18 02:10:00 -
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Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote:broonfondle majikthies wrote:With biotec upgrades you can punch someone so hard you drive them into the dirt like a stake Yeah, I noticed they have like 240 melee damage... Too bad the std suit has no mod slots
karate Kommandos yeah biatch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSU1Lvxy9Sk |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
128
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Posted - 2013.08.18 02:13:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I right now love the commando as a support class like Iron Wolf said.
Mass Driver + Scrambler is the way to go, or some other combination of one-two punch. Works best with a squad, as you can support long range and close range. You can even run with a repair tool or injector and support your team further!
Other combos I like: Mass Driver + Mass Driver Scrambler + Assault Scrambler (tactical and standard AR works too) Plasma Cannon + Mass Driver Assault Rifle + Shotgun ___________________
The secret to success is to use both weapons to their full potential. For instance, The scrambler does 20% more damage to shields, and the mass driver does 20% more damage to armor. The downside to these weapons is that they are only efffective vs one type of health, whereas using them in combination means you are doing 120% damage all the time.
Play this class similar to a two handed warrior class. You don't have much health so you have to rely on your damage to take players out before they can take you out. Also, you don't have that much health, and it's even worse that you move slow too. HAHAHAHAHA NOOOOB! NOBODY LISTEN TO THIS FR00B!!!! JUST USE THE DUVOLLE THIS GUY IS TROLL! |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
747
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Posted - 2013.08.18 02:16:00 -
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Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote:Like, it's an even worse version of the basic heavy suit. I dunno, I just don't see how it's useful... If someone could explain it, that would be awesome.
Also, this is probably the biggest derp idea, but I'm thinking i'm gunna be a repping commando, just for ***** and giggles. It was released so CCP could say they're been releasing content - regardless of how bad it is.
and to be fair - it was to give corps more versatile options. |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
274
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Posted - 2013.08.18 02:19:00 -
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Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line. Yeah, tell that to Arnold Schwarzenegger. He killed a small country by himself to rescue Alyssa Milano.
It's nice to know this game is based off reality, not only that, present day reality. |
Exalted Warrior
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.18 02:23:00 -
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This guy is an alt I recently made and he is a commando. I mostly use an AR or something that I KNOW will drop a target and also carry some situational weapon like a sniper or swarm launcher, or even a Mass Driver for when the entire team is all grouped up. |
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killian178
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
3
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Posted - 2013.08.18 02:29:00 -
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[quote=Iron Wolf Saber]Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line. [/quote Commando; a : a military unit trained and organized as shock troops especially for hit-and-run raids into enemy territory b : a member of such a unit
No disrespect but no, they are some specialist at survival, quick and efficient, I love running commando from time to time, and it does have a good supporting role, but isn't really a commando with that sloooooooooow speed it has, the lack of grenades and low mod slots is plenty of a nerd to it anyway! |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2013.08.18 02:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line.
No man, didn't you see that movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger? Commandos are supposed to wreck shop solo. |
Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
463
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Posted - 2013.08.18 02:31:00 -
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Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote:Like, it's an even worse version of the basic heavy suit. I dunno, I just don't see how it's useful... If someone could explain it, that would be awesome.
Also, this is probably the biggest derp idea, but I'm thinking i'm gunna be a repping commando, just for ***** and giggles.
It's like an assault with an extra light weapon instead of sidearm shud have went in the medium class section wud have made more since. |
Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
214
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Posted - 2013.08.18 03:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line.
unlike real life commandos, they are slow as SHlT!! |
Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
509
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Posted - 2013.08.18 03:34:00 -
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I used the Commando again today and so far I'm disappointed. While I still managed to get a good k/d, I was forced to always play defensively in high places or behind my team to try to not loose HP. Once my shields were gone, it usually stayed that way for most of the game further keeping me away from combat. 1v1 against another heavy was usually a guaranteed death, the Commando needs to get more HP and higher shield regen for it to be viable in combat. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1899
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Posted - 2013.08.18 03:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line. Real life Commandos are stealthy and fast. The Amarr Commando is none of these. |
The Tunski
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
10
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:13:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I right now love the commando as a support class like Iron Wolf said.
Mass Driver + Scrambler is the way to go, or some other combination of one-two punch. Works best with a squad, as you can support long range and close range. You can even run with a repair tool or injector and support your team further!
Other combos I like: Mass Driver + Mass Driver Scrambler + Assault Scrambler (tactical and standard AR works too) Plasma Cannon + Mass Driver Assault Rifle + Shotgun ___________________
The secret to success is to use both weapons to their full potential. For instance, The scrambler does 20% more damage to shields, and the mass driver does 20% more damage to armor. The downside to these weapons is that they are only efffective vs one type of health, whereas using them in combination means you are doing 120% damage all the time.
Play this class similar to a two handed warrior class. You don't have much health so you have to rely on your damage to take players out before they can take you out. Also, you don't have that much health, and it's even worse that you move slow too. HAHAHAHAHA NOOOOB! NOBODY LISTEN TO THIS FR00B!!!! JUST USE THE DUVOLLE THIS GUY IS TROLL!
A case of the pot calling the kettle black. Hmmm this gentleman put an educated response to a question. I'm gonna call him a noob and a troll. Go to bed, it's past your bedtime kid. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
455
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Posted - 2013.08.18 05:17:00 -
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with a melee dmg base of 240 you can get commando suits to OHK people with melee only, the two light weapon slots are to take your attention away from this. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1159
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Posted - 2013.08.18 08:21:00 -
[29] - Quote
commando needs a role, or it needs thicker defenses.
right now there's nothing the commando can do a medium frame cannot do better. |
J0hlss0n
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
25
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Posted - 2013.08.18 08:27:00 -
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The proto looks awesome and... well, thats about it... its my 'looking good suit' at the moment... and when Im really bored with the game I just use the commando with nova knifes. =P |
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Misses Trickster
Industrial removal service
10
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Posted - 2013.08.18 09:00:00 -
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Id like to get a commando suit.. Sniper rifle, nanohives and swarm launcher.. just rain down hell from the top of a random building
But if you let it keep a heavy weapon and 1 light weapon, Sniper rifle and forge gun.. just attach the scope from the sniper on top of the forge gun
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killian178
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
4
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Posted - 2013.08.18 11:11:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I right now love the commando as a support class like Iron Wolf said.
Mass Driver + Scrambler is the way to go, or some other combination of one-two punch. Works best with a squad, as you can support long range and close range. You can even run with a repair tool or injector and support your team further!
Other combos I like: Mass Driver + Mass Driver Scrambler + Assault Scrambler (tactical and standard AR works too) Plasma Cannon + Mass Driver Assault Rifle + Shotgun ___________________
The secret to success is to use both weapons to their full potential. For instance, The scrambler does 20% more damage to shields, and the mass driver does 20% more damage to armor. The downside to these weapons is that they are only efffective vs one type of health, whereas using them in combination means you are doing 120% damage all the time.
Play this class similar to a two handed warrior class. You don't have much health so you have to rely on your damage to take players out before they can take you out. Also, you don't have that much health, and it's even worse that you move slow too. HAHAHAHAHA NOOOOB! NOBODY LISTEN TO THIS FR00B!!!! JUST USE THE DUVOLLE THIS GUY IS TROLL! Ok kid, go to bed and let the adults talk ok, your spam of the caps lock betrays your infantile mindset ( get a dictionary), stay in the kiddie pool and leave the rest of us to handle things. |
Jade Hasegawa
Intrepidus XI EoN.
49
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Posted - 2013.08.18 11:45:00 -
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I have thought about this a bit,pity the suit is kinda messed up module wise, I would love to run an AR and swarm launcher combo but the suitis just too squishy |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1905
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Posted - 2013.08.18 12:38:00 -
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I'm going to skill into it because I'm getting a bit bored :P lol |
Zendeal
Horizons' Edge Orion Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.08.18 13:30:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm going to skill into it because I'm getting a bit bored :P lol
Don't.
Everytime I get bored I start running comm suits. They are so UP and after a while the drain on my ISK forces me to switch back, Which then prompts me to think, why did I even bother? |
Beld Errmon
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
806
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Posted - 2013.08.18 13:33:00 -
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I'd say the commando is so bad because it was seriously feared the suit could be massively overpowered, once CCP collects enough data they'll probably buff it a bit. |
Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
32
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Posted - 2013.08.18 17:00:00 -
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Skilled into basic for fun and its alright. Maybe the proto is better? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5769
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Posted - 2013.08.18 17:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line. They're garbage, not support.
Unless you're supporting the enemy, and then I whole heartedly agree |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
50
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Posted - 2013.08.18 17:22:00 -
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IMO, the commando is for snipers. Put a sniper, a nanohive, and an assault rifle or swarm launcher, then you're all set. Swarm launcher because an ADS is a sniper's worst enemy. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3023
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Posted - 2013.08.18 18:07:00 -
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It's a jack of all trades, master of none- basically what people keep saying the assault is.
I prefer to use it as an area-denial specialist. Laser rifle + mass driver = MY OBJECTIVE! MINE! |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7434
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Posted - 2013.08.18 18:24:00 -
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Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line. Yeah, tell that to Arnold Schwarzenegger. He killed a small country by himself to rescue Alyssa Milano.
Front lines are a meat grinder total waste of a person with that that high of a specialized skill., |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3023
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Posted - 2013.08.18 18:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line. Yeah, tell that to Arnold Schwarzenegger. He killed a small country by himself to rescue Alyssa Milano. Front lines are a meat grinder total waste of a person with that that high of a specialized skill., No matter! At least 3-quarters of our player base are stupid enough to jump into the meat grinder! |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1746
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Posted - 2013.08.18 18:47:00 -
[43] - Quote
IMO, The commando would've been much better off as a scout suit. Anyone who has black eagle scout suits should know what I mean.
Low survivability, low slot count, but fast as hell.
Heavies just get too many downsides as a whole, and then taking away their slots and heavy weapon is way more drawbacks than required to justify the pretty cool bonus of having two light weapons.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1164
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Posted - 2013.08.18 18:51:00 -
[44] - Quote
the answer to making the Commando a good support is not giving it two weapons. It's a nice feature.
But two weapons is not a reason to make the dropsuit systematically WORSE at everything else than an average medium frame.
That's the problem with the commando.
On paper it's absolute trash. In practice on the battlefield it's still fairly lackluster with no concrete advantage over an advanced medium frame. It avoids being trash due to versatility and being able to stick REs to people.
It either needs more slots, OR it needs a buff to it's tank and speed to make it more durable. |
Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
155
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Posted - 2013.08.18 19:23:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hint: Like real life commandos, they're support not front line. Yeah, tell that to Arnold Schwarzenegger. He killed a small country by himself to rescue Alyssa Milano. Front lines are a meat grinder total waste of a person with that that high of a specialized skill., No matter! At least 3-quarters of our player base are stupid enough to jump into the meat grinder!
Hahahaha, I was just making a joke. I know well enough that a heavy at the front line is usually the first to die. That's why even when I tried running medic commando I camped objectives with other heavies.
Unfortunately I died even faster than if I just stayed in my basic advanced suit.
But like a couple of the earlier replies, I just skilled into commando because I was getting bored with the basic and sentinel.
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Minor Treat
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
50
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Posted - 2013.08.18 19:31:00 -
[46] - Quote
Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote:Like, it's an even worse version of the basic heavy suit. I dunno, I just don't see how it's useful... If someone could explain it, that would be awesome.
Also, this is probably the biggest derp idea, but I'm thinking i'm gunna be a repping commando, just for ***** and giggles. Um the bonus it gets... Reload bonus and i forgot the other bonus |
Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
155
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Posted - 2013.08.18 19:35:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:with a melee dmg base of 240 you can get commando suits to OHK people with melee only, the two light weapon slots are to take your attention away from this.
Yeah, when I saw that I was happy, but then I checked the speed and was like "Oh, so they have to be melee-ing me or zoomed in with a sniper rifle and not paying attention for it to work..."
But hopefully people are using the suit to give CCP good numbers.
I know when I'm feeling frisky I'm going to run Medi-fat regardless of the situation and not give up on it just because of bad games, because eventually I'll have all of the core skills at 5 so I won't need to spec into proto to tear stuff up. |
Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2013.08.18 19:46:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:Interplanetary Insanitarium wrote:Like, it's an even worse version of the basic heavy suit. I dunno, I just don't see how it's useful... If someone could explain it, that would be awesome.
Also, this is probably the biggest derp idea, but I'm thinking i'm gunna be a repping commando, just for ***** and giggles. Um the bonus it gets... Reload bonus and i forgot the other bonus
Commando Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to reload speed of light/sidearm weapons per level.
Amarr Commando Bonus: +2% to efficacy of shield and armor modules per level.
They're great bonuses but specing into anything heavy is SP intensive. To me it seems like there's very little incentive to shift to that suit, but that's probably because I spend my SP as soon as I get it.... and I only have ~4 million SP.
I'm still going to spec into it, but I just don't get why it's a heavy suit except for it's speed and melee damage... that made it very obvious.
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TunRa
The Vanguardians
55
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Posted - 2013.08.18 19:54:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I actually died to a commando yesterday - saw a heavy with a shotgun, so I backed up a bit and lined up my pistol only for him to switch to a scrambler rifle and smash me in a second. I shall no longer presume a heavy without a heavy weapon is an easy kill that requires the least possible effort. It is easy to tell who is a Commando and who is a Heavy. One is red all over and the other isn't. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
641
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:28:00 -
[50] - Quote
Tectonic Fusion wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I right now love the commando as a support class like Iron Wolf said.
Mass Driver + Scrambler is the way to go, or some other combination of one-two punch. Works best with a squad, as you can support long range and close range. You can even run with a repair tool or injector and support your team further!
Other combos I like: Mass Driver + Mass Driver Scrambler + Assault Scrambler (tactical and standard AR works too) Plasma Cannon + Mass Driver Assault Rifle + Shotgun ___________________
The secret to success is to use both weapons to their full potential. For instance, The scrambler does 20% more damage to shields, and the mass driver does 20% more damage to armor. The downside to these weapons is that they are only efffective vs one type of health, whereas using them in combination means you are doing 120% damage all the time.
Play this class similar to a two handed warrior class. You don't have much health so you have to rely on your damage to take players out before they can take you out. Also, you don't have that much health, and it's even worse that you move slow too. HAHAHAHAHA NOOOOB! NOBODY LISTEN TO THIS FR00B!!!! JUST USE THE DUVOLLE THIS GUY IS TROLL!
I once went 17/6 as a commando in an ambush. It's a perfectly viable suit, but you need to know how to play it correctly. |
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Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
512
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Posted - 2013.08.18 21:05:00 -
[51] - Quote
I-Shayz-I wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I right now love the commando as a support class like Iron Wolf said.
Mass Driver + Scrambler is the way to go, or some other combination of one-two punch. Works best with a squad, as you can support long range and close range. You can even run with a repair tool or injector and support your team further!
Other combos I like: Mass Driver + Mass Driver Scrambler + Assault Scrambler (tactical and standard AR works too) Plasma Cannon + Mass Driver Assault Rifle + Shotgun ___________________
The secret to success is to use both weapons to their full potential. For instance, The scrambler does 20% more damage to shields, and the mass driver does 20% more damage to armor. The downside to these weapons is that they are only efffective vs one type of health, whereas using them in combination means you are doing 120% damage all the time.
Play this class similar to a two handed warrior class. You don't have much health so you have to rely on your damage to take players out before they can take you out. Also, you don't have that much health, and it's even worse that you move slow too. HAHAHAHAHA NOOOOB! NOBODY LISTEN TO THIS FR00B!!!! JUST USE THE DUVOLLE THIS GUY IS TROLL! I once went 17/6 as a commando in an ambush. It's a perfectly viable suit, but you need to know how to play it correctly.
Assault GK.0 - 27-3 no sweat Commando AK.0 - 8-4 better buy a new controller... |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
148
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Posted - 2013.08.18 21:06:00 -
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calvin b wrote:The Commandont is a joke. As a true heavy I see them as an easy 50 points. They need more slots early in there progress and more speed. Also lower the cost.
Standard should have 2 high 1 lows
Advanced 2 highs 2 lows
Proto 3 Highs 2 Lows
Heavy should be 6.0 Speed
Commandont should be 6.5
Assault should be 7.0
Scout 8.0
I know the scouts fast who would have thunk it. The scout has to be fast because it sacrifices its armor for speed. Just a thought. Only 5 slots at proto? Lame..
They should have at least 8. |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
575
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Posted - 2013.08.18 21:48:00 -
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I've been playing commando a LOT for the past few weeks. Testing it you might say.
The suit is FUN. Thats why i use it because it STILL SUCKS.
The 3 main load-outs i use:
1-Suicide one (usually the one i start with): Assault Scrambler rifle Exo-5 Drop Uplinks
2-Multi purpose: Burst AR ADv Swarms Nanos
3-Long Ranged Suppressor: Sniper Rifle ADV Swarm launchers Nanos
The 1st one is for SP grinding. Keeping up the team swarm. Then again, i do play solo all the time and sometimes even with 2 drop uplink blues prefer to just sit in the MCC. The AScr and Mass driver combination works very well.But then again this is the 2 light weapons talking, not the suit working....
The 2nd one is for open maps and when there is the need for a push. Im pretty decent with the Burst AR, and in case i see a vehicle ,swarms away.
The 3rd is for the typical (1 every 2 games) we got proto stomped by a clan. When half the team is sitting at the mcc , and the other half is dying / sniping , i take this one out. This is by far the only loadout that works very well for the commando. At level 4 passives i have 600 total HP,that is NOTHING for frontline operations,but for a sniper is enough. Having nanohives lets me camp an area for a LONG period of time.The Adv Swarms let me take out derpships and scare away vehicles. The High Melee damage of the suit is my only defense in CQ thou...
The suit can be used effectively as a DEFENSE suit But slow movement, red coloring,huge hitbox and low total HP compared to MED FRAMES makes this suit a joke if trying to be offensive.
I dont know why its called commando. We got deceived. This is NOT a commando.... |
superjoe360x
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
49
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Posted - 2013.08.18 21:57:00 -
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I have a dual mass driver commando with the EC 3 and th EXO 5. It rains hell from the pipes. I have a sniper/swarm laucher commando. I have a dual flaylock commando. I also have a swarm/mass driver combo for camping high ground to pick off lavs while I shoot guys below me with my mass driver so they don't come get me. The commando is one awesome and versatile suit as long as nobody is shooting at you lol. If they shoot at you run because you will die sooner rather than later. Everybody always talks about his slots being not enough or his HP when its those super sluggish shields that he has that will get you killed most of the time. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3027
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Posted - 2013.08.18 22:17:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:IMO, The commando would've been much better off as a scout suit. Anyone who has black eagle scout suits should know what I mean.
Low survivability, low slot count, but fast as hell.
Heavies just get too many downsides as a whole, and then taking away their slots and heavy weapon is way more drawbacks than required to justify the pretty cool bonus of having two light weapons.
Definitely- would have been even better as a medium frame, I think. Or, if this makes sense, a different commando for all frame sizes. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
644
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Posted - 2013.08.19 06:16:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:I've been playing commando a LOT for the past few weeks. Testing it you might say.
The suit is FUN. Thats why i use it because it STILL SUCKS.
I play solo all the time and sometimes even with 2 drop uplink blues prefer to just sit in the MCC. The AScr and Mass driver combination works very well.But then again this is the 2 light weapons talking, not the suit working....
The 2nd one is for open maps and when there is the need for a push. Im pretty decent with the Burst AR, and in case i see a vehicle ,swarms away.
The 3rd is for the typical (1 every 2 games) we got proto stomped by a clan. When half the team is sitting at the mcc , and the other half is dying / sniping , i take this one out. This is by far the only loadout that works very well for the commando. At level 4 passives i have 600 total HP,that is NOTHING for frontline operations,but for a sniper is enough. Having nanohives lets me camp an area for a LONG period of time.The Adv Swarms let me take out derpships and scare away vehicles. The High Melee damage of the suit is my only defense in CQ thou...
I know everyone keeps saying swarms are good with it, but basically what you're doing is putting swarms there instead of AV nades. I mean, unless you're running advanced or proto swarms, the absense of damage mods kind-of makes using swarms pointless on this suit..
but that's just what I think. I mean if I was going to use swarms, it would be swarms and plasma cannon, or swarms and more swarms XD
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
142
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Posted - 2013.08.19 06:45:00 -
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CCP even named the suit wrong. Look up the description of a commando. CCP didn't.
It should have been a light suit. |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
577
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:08:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:I've been playing commando a LOT for the past few weeks. Testing it you might say.
The suit is FUN. Thats why i use it because it STILL SUCKS.
I play solo all the time and sometimes even with 2 drop uplink blues prefer to just sit in the MCC. The AScr and Mass driver combination works very well.But then again this is the 2 light weapons talking, not the suit working....
The 2nd one is for open maps and when there is the need for a push. Im pretty decent with the Burst AR, and in case i see a vehicle ,swarms away.
The 3rd is for the typical (1 every 2 games) we got proto stomped by a clan. When half the team is sitting at the mcc , and the other half is dying / sniping , i take this one out. This is by far the only loadout that works very well for the commando. At level 4 passives i have 600 total HP,that is NOTHING for frontline operations,but for a sniper is enough. Having nanohives lets me camp an area for a LONG period of time.The Adv Swarms let me take out derpships and scare away vehicles. The High Melee damage of the suit is my only defense in CQ thou... I know everyone keeps saying swarms are good with it, but basically what you're doing is putting swarms there instead of AV nades. I mean, unless you're running advanced or proto swarms, the absense of damage mods kind-of makes using swarms pointless on this suit.. but that's just what I think. I mean if I was going to use swarms, it would be swarms and plasma cannon, or swarms and more swarms XD
You are right, but they are advanced swarms. And its not pointless since swarms can be shot at larger distance without having to be up close.
Sure i know what you mean.....
BTW Swarms and more swarms does not work: The swarm launcher is the only weapon that can not be swapped immediately after shooting it. |
Purona
The Vanguardians
38
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:48:00 -
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it seems like people are putting way to much value on speed its the main reason
also i find it funny how someone posts a video of arnold as a commando when 90 percent of the video he isnt even moving hes just standing still and firing at what ever comes close with the best weapon for the encounter |
Goric Rumis
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
196
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:13:00 -
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I just don't get why it's a heavy frame, unless it's to be an SP sink. No one who wears a heavy frame uses either light weapons or equipment. No one who uses light weapons and/or equipment has any use for a heavy frame. Maybe there's a thematic reason, but it seems to me that the Commando is really a prestige class for people who have already maxed out a specialization or two. |
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Goric Rumis
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
198
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:30:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:IMO, The commando would've been much better off as a scout suit. Anyone who has black eagle scout suits should know what I mean.
Low survivability, low slot count, but fast as hell.
Heavies just get too many downsides as a whole, and then taking away their slots and heavy weapon is way more drawbacks than required to justify the pretty cool bonus of having two light weapons.
It would have been interesting to see them as specialist scouts with additional bonuses to movement (given the traditional meaning of "commando")--faster climbing, a small amount of steering during a drop (say 5 degrees), maybe even provide (future) bonuses to movement equipment like grappling hooks or boosters or whatever else people can come up with. Two light weapons and the best battlefield movement capabilities would be enough to make up for some terrible drawbacks. |
Starfire Revo
G I A N T EoN.
92
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:18:00 -
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Been playing almost exclusively with Commando suits for about a month now. The suit has issues, but people underestimate how good being able to use 2 light weapons is. Being able to use a rifle and a swarm launcher at the same time is pretty beastly.
As far as seeing it get some buffs, it could do with having some more low slots. It gets a (tiny) bonus to defensive modules, but can only fit a single plate at adv/proto. Even just giving each level of suit +1 low would be a huge boon. Aside from that, maybe make the base shield regen a bit higher. It goes up at 5hp/tick right now, so leaves you vulnerable for long periods between fights.
Not a great suit by any means, but it's pretty solid. |
Bettie Boop 2100190003
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
105
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:28:00 -
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I enjoy running a commando suit once in a while, but the most useful load outs are:
1) Laser Rifle & Mass Driver = LR removes shields, MD removes armor... Yes please hide in the courner, I can't... Oh wait splash damage...
2) Laser Rifle & Swarm Launcher = ranged pestering + AV
3) Sniper Rifle & Swarm Launcher + dropship = Over watch king. Most opponents will see a sniper up there and bring in a drop ship (normally militia), so with proto swarms on the suit it only takes 2 hits to drop it. Granted a scout or light frame with damage mods and a flaylock would prob work out better until flaylocks stop flipping dropships.
Its a fun suit, but its not a suit you want to get caught in a fire fight on the front lines in. Stay back and support |
Lazy Scumbag
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
31
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:32:00 -
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Commandos have terrible slot layouts, but are awesome for that surprise factor. You never know what Iron Man is gonna pull out. |
pamuku420tyme
RedBerry Genocide
8
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:43:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I right now love the commando as a support class like Iron Wolf said.
Mass Driver + Scrambler is the way to go, or some other combination of one-two punch. Works best with a squad, as you can support long range and close range. You can even run with a repair tool or injector and support your team further!
Other combos I like: Mass Driver + Mass Driver Scrambler + Assault Scrambler (tactical and standard AR works too) Plasma Cannon + Mass Driver Assault Rifle + Shotgun ___________________
The secret to success is to use both weapons to their full potential. For instance, The scrambler does 20% more damage to shields, and the mass driver does 20% more damage to armor. The downside to these weapons is that they are only efffective vs one type of health, whereas using them in combination means you are doing 120% damage all the time.
Play this class similar to a two handed warrior class. You don't have much health so you have to rely on your damage to take players out before they can take you out. Also, you don't have that much health, and it's even worse that you move slow too. HAHAHAHAHA NOOOOB! NOBODY LISTEN TO THIS FR00B!!!! JUST USE THE DUVOLLE THIS GUY IS TROLL!
you can go ahead and run ur duvolle on a commando and see how much ISK u start losing... way to call someone a troll when ur the "special" one.... |
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