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Ghost Wolf Garven
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Posted - 2013.08.16 03:30:00 -
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Well was thinking for a while now in this game and about it's weapon classes.
How about adding a LMG (Light Machine Gun) to the game? I mean it could fill the gap between AR and HMG. And instead of the heavies always getting the big guns, why not let the mediums get a big gun themselves?
I mean it could have the ammo size of a HMG but a slightly more powerful attack power (But not too much)
Could be used for suppressing fire or something.
I dunno, just had a suggestion but wanted to share it. |
N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.08.16 03:41:00 -
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Ghost Wolf Garven wrote: I mean it could have the ammo size of a HMG but a slightly more powerful attack power (But not too much)
Wow thats a terrible idea right there.
Heavies should get the big guns. No changes no half assing it. Just heavies get heavy guns. |
Nocturnal Soul
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Posted - 2013.08.16 03:41:00 -
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So you just want heavy's to rage,quit,cry, yea no |
Ghost Wolf Garven
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Posted - 2013.08.16 03:45:00 -
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Hey I was just suggesting. I didn't mean for you guys to get mad that only heavies should only get the big guns..l |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
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Posted - 2013.08.16 04:24:00 -
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To have the LMG do more dmg then the HMG AND have the same clip would be OP as there would be no point in the HMG. The idea of adding a LMG is a valid one but, as you can see, not all that popular +1 for posting your suggestion as it is the only way CCP can learn what the ppl want.
Hmmm I suppose I can throw my 2ISK in the pot.
How about; More Dmg then the AR More ammo then the AR but less then the HMG Wild recoil (even with operations lv 5) so even with it's high DPS it is hard to actually hit the target. Slower fire rate the AR (Default would be about equal to the Breach AR) Very slow reload (still faster then the HMG though)
Has a lot of bullets and deals damage but the balance is it's slow reload and the fact that hitting the target very difficult. Spraying wildly at a group of enemies could easily disperse them as just a few shots will do them in and they wouldn't want to give you an easy shot.
Eh... that's all I got. Thnx again for the thread.
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. |
Ghost Wolf Garven
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Posted - 2013.08.16 04:58:00 -
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Nonono, not more damage than the HMG I meant damage that is more than the AR but lower than the HMG.
I'm sorry I worded that wrong. I meant in between the HMG and AR.
Or same damage as AR just longer range and huge clip.
But if course I didn't mean stronger than HMG |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:02:00 -
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Ghost Wolf Garven wrote:Nonono, not more damage than the HMG I meant damage that is more than the AR but lower than the HMG.
I'm sorry I worded that wrong. I meant in between the HMG and AR.
Or same damage as AR just longer range and huge clip.
But if course I didn't mean stronger than HMG
lol yea your wording was kinda misleading.
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. |
Mobius Kaethis
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:03:00 -
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I'd be all for a LMG but make it like a BAR with an extremely small magazine a moderately high RoF and damage inbetween a HMG and a AR. Additionally it should have a movement penalty if used by a non-heavy frame.
Minmatar LMG Rate of Fire: 650 rpm Max Ammo: 140 rounds Magazine Size: 20 rounds Damage: 35-37 (basic to proto) Speed reduction by non-heavy frame: 5% Weapon climb if not used by a heavy frame: 1.5-¦ climb per round shot in a burst Dispersion Cone approximately like that of the HMG when fired by a light or med frame (AR like when fired by a heavy frame) Range Optimal: 35m Range Effective: 85m Range Maximum: 175m Damage vs shields: 100% Damage vs armor: 110% CPU: 45-110 (basic to proto) PG: 5 - 10 (basic to proto) Reload time: 6 sec. |
Ghost Wolf Garven
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:03:00 -
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My suggestion was going to be like yours but I worded everything in this topic wrong.
The gun would be like this: Slightly more damaging than the AR Fire rate is equal to the AR Breach Slower than AR reload by half Recoil - Medium/High Range - a LITTlE bit longer than AR Can be weilded by medium and heavy, except for Scouts/light
Again, I am very sorry I worded that wrong. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:09:00 -
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Ghost Wolf Garven wrote:My suggestion was going to be like yours but I worded everything in this topic wrong.
The gun would be like this: Slightly more damaging than the AR Fire rate is equal to the AR Breach Slower than AR reload by half Recoil - Medium/High Range - a LITTlE bit longer than AR Can be weilded by medium and heavy, except for Scouts/light
Again, I am very sorry I worded that wrong.
Doing this would mean adding another weapon size (medium) as keeping the LMG as a light weapon would actually allow irresponsible lights to wield it anyway. I say "irresponsible" because no light frame should ever use such a weapon as it doesn't match there role in the least.
Either way I like it
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. |
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Ghost Wolf Garven
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:09:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:I'd be all for a LMG but make it like a BAR with an extremely small magazine a moderately high RoF and damage inbetween a HMG and a AR. Additionally it should have a movement penalty if used by a non-heavy frame. Minmatar LMG Rate of Fire: 650 rpm Max Ammo: 140 rounds Magazine Size: 20 rounds Damage: 35-37 (basic to proto) Speed reduction by non-heavy frame: 5% Weapon climb if not used by a heavy frame: 1.5-¦ climb per round shot in a burst Dispersion Cone approximately like that of the HMG when fired by a light or med frame (AR like when fired by a heavy frame) Range Optimal: 35m Range Effective: 85m Range Maximum: 175m Damage vs shields: 100% Damage vs armor: 110% CPU: 45-110 (basic to proto) PG: 5 - 10 (basic to proto) Reload time: 6 sec.
That is a pretty good idea. But a problem with clip size... The average AR has like... 48 or 60 rounds in the clip. Why not make the clip at least 30 or 40 to balance out the clip size. And probably have a max of 160 or 240 |
Chief-Shotty
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:12:00 -
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That would be cool to have an LMG but I don't understand to be more damage than an AR but lower than HMG. Heavy gun standard does 14-17 depending on variant while proto guns are just under 20 per bullet. I think the RoF should be SMG level but obviously a more effective range and 100 round clip is decent. However, i don't think this is feasible let the heavy have the freaking mini gun. That is their job, not us medium suits. A gun like this would put the mini gun to shame in this game. |
Ghost Wolf Garven
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:17:00 -
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Chief-Shotty wrote:That would be cool to have an LMG but I don't understand to be more damage than an AR but lower than HMG. Heavy gun standard does 14-17 depending on variant while proto guns are just under 20 per bullet. I think the RoF should be SMG level but obviously a more effective range and 100 round clip is decent. However, i don't think this is feasible let the heavy have the freaking mini gun. That is their job, not us medium suits. A gun like this would put the mini gun to shame in this game.
That's the problem I am having here. The LMG would be similar to the HMG just lighter and weaker but there isn't really a way to make it so that it is balanced. I mean I just want something that chews through armor but not shields. But that job is already for the HMG. So I dunno what to do for the LMG.
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:30:00 -
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Yea it seems the way the game is, the LMG would just be stepping on the Heavy's toes
Perhaps when the balancing is done (it's never done so lets just wait a year) a LMG might be more viable, but for now it doesn't seem to have a place in DUST (this depresses the crap outa me....and I'm a scout!)
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. |
Mobius Kaethis
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:35:00 -
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You don't think the barrel climb and movement penalties for medium frames included in my version are a good enough balace for the weapon? What about the small magazine?
The magazine I proposed is a bit small, only 700 damage per mag. I will alter the original post to have the weapon hold 50 rounds in a mag and 300 max. with an 8 sec. reload time. This will alter the weapon's damage profile to be 1750 per mag at standard level. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:41:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:You don't think the barrel climb and movement penalties for medium frames included in my version are a good enough balace for the weapon? What about the small magazine?
The magazine I proposed is a bit small, only 700 damage per mag. I will alter the original post to have the weapon hold 50 rounds in a mag and 300 max. with an 8 sec. reload time. This will alter the weapon's damage profile to be 1750 per mag at standard level.
The stats are quite balanced but the issue is that it will make HMG less viable as an experienced player can overcome such cons were as even experienced players still struggle with the HMG. If the HMG was more balanced (I would die ALOT more) then the LMG would be less of a FOTM item.
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. |
Ghost Wolf Garven
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:43:00 -
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Well this was a good suggestion at least.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:46:00 -
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Ghost Wolf Garven wrote:Well was thinking for a while now in this game and about it's weapon classes.
How about adding a LMG (Light Machine Gun) to the game? I mean it could fill the gap between AR and HMG. And instead of the heavies always getting the big guns, why not let the mediums get a big gun themselves?
I mean it could have the ammo size of a HMG but a slightly more powerful attack power (But not too much)
Could be used for suppressing fire or something.
I dunno, just had a suggestion but wanted to share it. YES I WANT THIS FO CALDARI! MINE MINE MINE! PUT IT ON THE CAL COMMANDO WITH THE SWARMS AN I HAVE THE COOLEST FIT EVER |
Ghost Wolf Garven
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Posted - 2013.08.16 06:06:00 -
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At least someone is enthusiastic with this idea |
Text Grant
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Posted - 2013.08.16 06:16:00 -
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I think this should work exactly like a hmg accept it should do more damage and longer range but be deployable causing the person to be immobile. |
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Mobius Kaethis
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Posted - 2013.08.16 07:02:00 -
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ALPHA DECRIPTERThe stats are quite balanced but the issue is that it will make HMG less viable as an experienced player can overcome such cons were as even experienced players still struggle with the HMG. If the HMG was more balanced (I would die ALOT more) then the LMG would be less of a FOTM item.
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST[:8) wrote:.
Oh I think everyone agrees that the HMG needs more range and a slightly higher dps. That goes without saying. |
Turtle Hermit Roshi
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Posted - 2013.08.16 11:56:00 -
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im in favor of adding a 'medium wepons class in there cus i dont think shoulder mounted canons(ie swarm and plasma ) should be light wepons
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darkiller240
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Posted - 2013.08.16 12:05:00 -
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Simlpe a Big AR with more bullets and higher DPS bur much less accurate ( oviosly less DPS then a HMG ) |
Ghost Wolf Garven
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Posted - 2013.08.16 13:19:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:Simlpe a Big AR with more bullets and higher DPS bur much less accurate ( oviosly less DPS then a HMG )
Pretty much what I'm trying to say. |
Ghost Wolf Garven
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Posted - 2013.08.16 13:28:00 -
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Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote:im in favor of adding a 'medium wepons class in there cus i dont think shoulder mounted canons(ie swarm and plasma ) should be light wepons
Exactly, some of the weapons for medium class are ridiculous. Such as the swarm and plasma, as you mentioned. It just doesent seem to fit the size for the mediums as much as they fit for heavy.
So that's why I'm suggesting another kind of weapon. A 'brother' to the AR and HMG, the LMG. For medium and heavy. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
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Posted - 2013.08.16 17:59:00 -
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Ghost Wolf Garven wrote:Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote:im in favor of adding a 'medium wepons class in there cus i dont think shoulder mounted canons(ie swarm and plasma ) should be light wepons
Exactly, some of the weapons for medium class are ridiculous. Such as the swarm and plasma, as you mentioned. It just doesent seem to fit the size for the mediums as much as they fit for heavy. So that's why I'm suggesting another kind of weapon. A 'brother' to the AR and HMG, the LMG. For medium and heavy.
As long as the sniper rifle remains a light weapon and the MD is bumped up to medium, I'm fine with this. Lights don't need to be using those types of weapons anyway.
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. |
Meeko Fent
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:01:00 -
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So, Rename the AR the Plasma Repeater, Slightly Buff its damage, give it a Bipod, Buff the Recoil it has, and voila, you have a LMG.
I think that it would be ok. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:03:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:So, Rename the AR the Plasma Repeater, Slightly Buff its damage, give it a Bipod, Buff the Recoil it has, and voila, you have a LMG.
I think that it would be ok.
Or you could take the less creative method used by the SMG, AR, HMG, and SR. Just call it "Light Machine Gun"
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. |
excillon
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:08:00 -
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Nah. Gun selection is nice, CCP needs to focus on what we have. With the AR and HMG, no need right now.
Besides, if they put in an LMG, then I want to dual wield SMG's. |
Meeko Fent
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:10:00 -
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ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:So, Rename the AR the Plasma Repeater, Slightly Buff its damage, give it a Bipod, Buff the Recoil it has, and voila, you have a LMG.
I think that it would be ok. Or you could take the less creative method used by the SMG, AR, HMG, and SR. Just call it "Light Machine Gun"
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST . Well, they all should be renamed.
Cool names are Cool.
Like....
SMG-Slug Hose Combat Rifle- Slugthrower
Sniper Rifle- Rail piercer
AR- Plasma Repeater (The LMG could be a Rework of the Current GAR)
HMG- Rotary Autocannon
Cool Names are Cool.
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