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SIRAJKNIGHT Dakusuri Assassins 181	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:36:00 - [1] - Quote Is that the other team spams Drop uplinks around the Objective and wins 95 percent of the time
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:39:00 - [2] - Quote If you think it's bad in Domination, you should see what PC battles are like...
Beld Errmon Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 784	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:40:00 - [3] - Quote You know the most annoying thing about domination mode? stupid scrubs who don't drop uplinks around the objective.
RevoItZ No Free Pass 109	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:42:00 - [4] - Quote Drop uplink spam is OP NERF IT!
IM-JUST TO-FAT Blauhelme Orion Empire 5	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:42:00 - [5] - Quote SIRAJKNIGHT wrote: Is that the other team spams Drop uplinks around the Objective and wins 95 percent of the time well, thats what this gamemode is about...you have to work w ur team to stay in the battle and not getting redlined. but i know that the most blueberies do not understand that and therefore they are using your sqd's upinks until those are used and if there arent any other spawnpoints they are going either sniping or afking in the mcc. sad but true
SIRAJKNIGHT Dakusuri Assassins 181	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:43:00 - [6] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: You know the most annoying thing about domination mode? stupid scrubs who don't drop uplinks around the objective. Yea apparently some scrubs on my team most of the time DONT use drop uplinks
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2977	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:51:00 - [7] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: You know the most annoying thing about domination mode? stupid scrubs who don't drop uplinks around the objective. And people who yell at me for sniping, when I put down the ONLY uplink on my team. But yeah, it's weird that it's always the other team that spams them, and always my team that never puts any down.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1475	Posted - 2013.08.15 00:10:00 - [8] - Quote I honestly rarely am the one to drop uplinks (MLT wreck scout fittings) but I am the one to drop ammo and explosives! You know you need me!
Cosgar ParagonX 4215	Posted - 2013.08.15 00:12:00 - [9] - Quote The sad part is that we can't go back to before when you actually had to look for uplinks. Everyone is already in the habit of spamming them. But ironically you never see people using them in skirmish of all places when you really do need them.
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 610	Posted - 2013.08.15 00:14:00 - [10] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: You know the most annoying thing about domination mode? stupid scrubs who don't drop uplinks around the objective. QFT

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2977	Posted - 2013.08.15 00:18:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar wrote: The sad part is that we can't go back to before when you actually had to look for uplinks. Everyone is already in the habit of spamming them. But ironically you never see people using them in skirmish of all places when you really do need them. Occasionally, you still see the uplink trail on the pipes. Fighting the Amarr in FW also usually results in uplink spam. It was horrible: I swear I smashed at least 5 uplinks around an objective, but there were still more....
Cy Clone1 Ancient Exiles 202	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:02:00 - [12] - Quote my squad loves when the team does that!! They think they can unwisely waste clones, and are saddened when we win by clone count.
Amarrian Desperado Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:02:00 - [13] - Quote I dunno, its a tough call between my team never dropping uplinks and getting slaughtered, or my team having the control point completely surrounded with ~75% of our players spawned yet refusing to move in to cap while the cluster**** cannon gets 4 volleys off on our mcc I was on the other side of the latter situation earlier today, enemy had a half dozen mercs overlooking our control point, but they were too afraid of the trickle of 1-2 rapidly dying mercs from our team to hack the point
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion 198	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:19:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: The sad part is that we can't go back to before when you actually had to look for uplinks. Everyone is already in the habit of spamming them. I think the spammability of drop uplinks devalues their worth. If there were only a few drop uplinks available per side, then destroying them would be a) not a futile effort due to there being 29 others b) a solid tactical advantage
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 560	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:34:00 - [15] - Quote I thought for sure you were going to say forgetting how to get out of the mcc...
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1240	Posted - 2013.08.15 02:20:00 - [16] - Quote The game mode is all about clearing the enemy out, clearing the uplinks out, then capturing the objective. Too many people want to bypass all the steps and run in and try to capture, maybe kill a few people along the way. You need to identify where the uplinks are, and slowly work on pushing forward and taking them out (you can shoot uplinks from far away, or you can flux them). Then lay your own uplinks. I really like Domination, it just requires a more patient plan of attack slowly chipping away at the enemy defenses. You're not going to be able to one-man-show or even two-man-show the entire base by blindly charging in and letting your shooter skills take over like in Skirmish
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 135	Posted - 2013.08.15 03:13:00 - [17] - Quote I think Domination would better if the Objective randomly changed places every few minutes, or when a team has held the objective for X amount of time. It would give a chance for losing teams to stay in the game, while being fair and making the game mode more competitive. Rushing to the next objectives area would promote vehicles in a "dash to the objective" instead of just running people over. It would also bring out AV to counter. Any game mode that promotes using lavs, tanks, dropships, av and infantry persistently throughout, is a great match in my opinion.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1241	Posted - 2013.08.15 03:51:00 - [18] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Any game mode that promotes using lavs, tanks, dropships, av and infantry persistently throughout, is a great match in my opinion. This has got me thinking a bit, what if there was a dropship module that would scan underneath it and disable all equipment, but would require to stay within range for a good length of time? Just a thought . . .
Draka Marintu TeamPlayers EoN. 107	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:05:00 - [19] - Quote Here is a step by step way to get rid of uplinks 1. Go to the market and purchase flux grenades 2. Go to your dropsuit fitting and equip the flux nades in your grenade slot 3. Enter a domination 4. Spawn in and leave your MCC 5. Run to the objective and if you see enemy uplinks throw your flux grenades at them and get rid of them 6. Rinse and Repeat
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 136	Posted - 2013.08.15 13:06:00 - [20] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: You know the most annoying thing about domination mode? stupid scrubs who don't drop uplinks around the objective. You know the thing that is even more annoying? Tryhards who justify crap mechanics for easy wins. The other team spamming several droplinks does not prevent the first team spamming in the first place. GET RID OF SPAMMED DROPLINKS CCP! Get rid of the crutches.

Zero Notion Red Star Jr. EoN. 202	Posted - 2013.08.15 13:12:00 - [21] - Quote Just use a flux. They're usually just spamming them all in a concentrated area.
Mamertine Son R.E.B.E.L.S 139	Posted - 2013.08.15 13:16:00 - [22] - Quote SIRAJKNIGHT wrote: Is that the other team spams Drop uplinks around the Objective and wins 95 percent of the time That's pretty much how people win it. there only is one objective and sometimes it can be 300m away from the MCC making uplinks really the only way to play that game mode. unfortunately most of the time I end up with people who have no idea and we end up losing the match mainly because the enemy is clumped around or above the objective and my team can only trickle in 2 at a time. I've since stopped playing.
Glori Jinn Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 48	Posted - 2013.08.15 13:24:00 - [23] - Quote I love Domination. I drop a couple of uplinks and watch the WP roll in! Also as a logi this is the best game mode at forcing people to actually work together which means a medic actually has some value. G
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 895	Posted - 2013.08.15 13:28:00 - [24] - Quote I don't complain when my team doesn't blob uplinks on objective.. because I will and more wp for me , and I know the team has a few decent places to spawn in without losing their head ( on occasion I do place some in ****** locations in heat of battle, can't be perfect... )
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1905	Posted - 2013.08.15 14:57:00 - [25] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: You know the most annoying thing about domination mode? stupid scrubs who don't drop uplinks around the objective. You know the thing that is even more annoying? Tryhards who justify crap mechanics for easy wins. The other team spamming several droplinks does not prevent the first team spamming in the first place. GET RID OF SPAMMED DROPLINKS CCP! Get rid of the crutches. So what does a non-crutch mode look like? A bunch of guys running at each other with AR's from the MCC?
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1094	Posted - 2013.08.15 15:01:00 - [26] - Quote I cant belive people are asking for uplinks to be changed because they can't be assed to squad up or work as a team.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 897	Posted - 2013.08.15 15:10:00 - [27] - Quote One thing I have noticed over the year , many dusters grow tired of standing by an objective guaranteeing it's protection. If they are all over it, and it's spammed like a mofo with uplinks and your team can't beat them head on.. don't push in, pull back.. they will usually get tired of standing around not getting kills and try to come out and find you , most times your redline. That's when you strike hard, go in fast with a LLAV loaded with 3 people or something, passenger being a logi with lot's of uplinks. He jumps out spams the uplinks while the other guy clears red uplinks and driver hits any one willing to come in view driving circles around objective. Try your best to hold it down when the enemy realizes whats up, and hope your team isn't to butthurt already and will come to your aid on the uplinks as they die at redline. this is not a guaranteed win, but it can work. There is one map that this really can not be done on though, which is sad.. I can't remember the name, I am bad with the map names
Jadu Wen Xer Cloud Consortium 14	Posted - 2013.10.22 13:41:00 - [28] - Quote You should check out this thread on Using Radiation Zones to Curtail Drop Uplink Use. I think it's a novel way to recondition but not force players to discontinue uplink spam of objectives. Plus it creates a system for highly dynamic play.
ryo sayo mio Nyain Chan 40	Posted - 2013.10.22 15:12:00 - [29] - Quote Its really bad on the lab dom map with the tower right behind it who ever flys up first, drops uplinks and spawns fg's wins 99% of the time
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 843	Posted - 2013.10.22 15:36:00 - [30] - Quote Ambush and domination has been farmed by the same people for months, its a quick way to stat pad and its basic and easy.


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 534	Posted - 2013.10.22 16:08:00 - [31] - Quote Just scan, and throw 3 flux's into the biggest uplink forest, I'm 99% sure that works. If it doesn't and it's just locuses, then fine I am misremembering but it still works. Regardless, you can sweep the field, max uplinks I have gotten in one grenade is 5 uplinks/hives. Not many people go and redeploy, it's usually just the first spawn that people bother to drop them.

Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1706	Posted - 2013.10.22 17:50:00 - [32] - Quote SIRAJKNIGHT wrote: most annoying thing in domination mode: Is that the other team spams Drop uplinks around the Objective and wins 95 percent of the time Disagreed, respectfully :-) The most annoying things in Dom are: 1) Snipers. 2) Redlines. 3) Redline Snipers.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7135	Posted - 2013.10.22 17:52:00 - [33] - Quote I thought Domination was the most annoying thing in Domination
G Torq ALTA B2O 248	Posted - 2013.10.22 19:22:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Just scan, and throw 3 flux's into the biggest uplink forest, I'm 99% sure that works. If it doesn't and it's just locuses, then fine I am misremembering but it still works. Regardless, you can sweep the field, max uplinks I have gotten in one grenade is 5 uplinks/hives. Not many people go and redeploy, it's usually just the first spawn that people bother to drop them. Assault MD rounds artillery style - Droplinks and hives removed.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 102	Posted - 2013.10.22 19:28:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Just scan, and throw 3 flux's into the biggest uplink forest, I'm 99% sure that works. If it doesn't and it's just locuses, then fine I am misremembering but it still works. Regardless, you can sweep the field, max uplinks I have gotten in one grenade is 5 uplinks/hives. Not many people go and redeploy, it's usually just the first spawn that people bother to drop them. Exsessive spammed uplinks and nano hives are definetely an issue... CCP needs to look into limiting it to X per player regardless of equipment type. This really becomes an issue in PC where IMO this is a MAJOR contributor to lag in PC.
lrian Locust We Who Walk Alone 239	Posted - 2013.10.22 19:36:00 - [36] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: This has got me thinking a bit, what if there was a dropship module that would scan underneath it and disable all equipment, but would require to stay within range for a good length of time? Just a thought . . . Dropships with EMP's? Love it! :)
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves DARKSTAR ARMY 252	Posted - 2013.10.22 20:20:00 - [37] - Quote SIRAJKNIGHT wrote: Is that the other team spams Drop uplinks around the Objective and wins 95 percent of the time Its called teamwork. You should try it sometimes.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 47	Posted - 2013.10.22 20:24:00 - [38] - Quote ryo sayo mio wrote: Its really bad on the lab dom map with the tower right behind it who ever flys up first, drops uplinks and spawns fg's wins 99% of the time Forge Guns... and Mass Drivers. ;^)
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1899	Posted - 2013.10.22 20:45:00 - [39] - Quote Domination is a bottleneck, a shooting gallery.... i won't even call it a game mode... Is like an unfinished version of skirmish, it have not tactical value or purpose . Talking about wasting resources in stupid things,......
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2308	Posted - 2013.10.22 20:57:00 - [40] - Quote I've had good and bad experiences with my uplinks. A good team will use them and I have redefined the battle front. A bad team will just be overrun and let them get destroyed. OB's are a pretty sure way to clear most uplinks from an area. Uplinks are strategic inhibitors when they can be placed "in the back of the cave" so to speak. That would allow the defending team to keep spawning in safety to hold an objective. However there really aren't many locations on the maps where this is an option. Most interior objectives are open to the sky for and OB to take care of, or have multiple entrances. I think there is one socket with the objective at the third basement level but that isn't used in Domination. I like them in general for their ability to strategically define the battlefield, but at the same time I dislike them for diminishing the transport role of dropships. Nobody is going to take the bus when they can teleport. However the dropship is still good for the initial assault on an objective with no uplinks (or lots of enemy uplinks) so that may be fine. The role of assault pilot is more fun than being a shuttle bus driver, and matches without a pilot on large maps could be frustrating without uplinks. I think a lot of the "uplink spam" complaints come from folks who aren't willing to create a fitting with flux nades on it.

Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1040	Posted - 2013.10.24 10:40:00 - [41] - Quote Skihids wrote: However the dropship is still good for the initial assault on an objective with no uplinks (or lots of enemy uplinks) so that may be fine. The role of assault pilot is more fun than being a shuttle bus driver, and matches without a pilot on large maps could be frustrating without uplinks. Personally I always wear my uplink suit when im flying my ADS, besides destroying other peoples rooftop uplinks I love to land and throw down my own, great for when I fly over a deserted capture point as well, land drop uplink wait for the amazingly rare smart berry to spawn and take the point.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1270	Posted - 2013.10.24 10:43:00 - [42] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Just scan, and throw 3 flux's into the biggest uplink forest, I'm 99% sure that works. If it doesn't and it's just locuses, then fine I am misremembering but it still works. Regardless, you can sweep the field, max uplinks I have gotten in one grenade is 5 uplinks/hives. Not many people go and redeploy, it's usually just the first spawn that people bother to drop them. Exsessive spammed uplinks and nano hives are definetely an issue... CCP needs to look into limiting it to X per player regardless of equipment type. This really becomes an issue in PC where IMO this is a MAJOR contributor to lag in PC. No, X meters before another can be dropped.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 431	Posted - 2013.10.24 10:49:00 - [43] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: No, X meters before another can be dropped. Or a more thematic way: when you spawn on a drop uplink, a flash of invisible radiation wipes out any nearby friendly uplinks. You can even make it do damage to enemy uplinks too - that would be really interesting. How much damage? Let's just make it that each uplink spawn does 50% of the uplink's HP to any nearby uplinks, so two or three spawns would take out any type.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 407	Posted - 2013.10.24 11:18:00 - [44] - Quote Create a new turret: EMP Mortar Turret. It sits deep in the redzone, behind a hill, and you need a spotter to zero it in but once you do it drops a mini barrage that destroys all of the equipment including under the bridge in the designated area. However, it does not affect personal shields as I think it would become OP and too spammable. Give it limited shots or a big cool down so you need to plan when to use it I.e. before a big rush.
Takron Nistrom eHarmony Inc. 97	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:17:00 - [45] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Domination is a bottleneck, a shooting gallery.... i won't even call it a game mode... Is like an unfinished version of skirmish, it have not tactical value or purpose . Talking about wasting resources in stupid things...... Then don't play domination?
Thor McStrut Reckoners 292	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:06:00 - [46] - Quote How about FF turned on for all equipment. No WP awarded for destroying blue equipment.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1933	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:14:00 - [47] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Domination is a bottleneck, a shooting gallery.... i won't even call it a game mode... Is like an unfinished version of skirmish, it have not tactical value or purpose . Talking about wasting resources in stupid things...... Then don't play domination? I don't, but still, having a game mode that divides the player-base even more, when that game mode is pointless and unnecessary... is a bit annoying. Hell, if we all played only skirmish Scotty may even work !! maybe.....
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2355	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:18:00 - [48] - Quote Domination relies on spam way too much. To the point where it's not even tactical anymore. tbh this entire game promotes spam gameplay which is concerning. That'd be fine if everyone in New Eden was Minmatar
Reigning Shotz CoRp KiLLeRz 4	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:32:00 - [49] - Quote SIRAJKNIGHT wrote: Is that the other team spams Drop uplinks around the Objective and wins 95 percent of the time then load up the flux grenades n take them out in bulk ... duh! replace them with your own ... its the best way you girls cry about every aspect of the game that you suck at ... dry your tears n go play pac man or something .. but I bet the ghosts need to be nerfed in that too right
Dirks Macker Enlightened Infantries 94	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:50:00 - [50] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: You know the most annoying thing about domination mode? stupid scrubs who don't drop uplinks around the objective. +1 The second worst thing is having 3-5 afk'ers in the hills.

HYENAKILLER X Da Short Buss 314	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:52:00 - [51] - Quote Lol we had 30% armor left on mcc and enemy had half sheilds and we ran their clones out. That was awesome. That pissed someone off.
HyperionsThunder Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 82	Posted - 2013.10.24 15:02:00 - [52] - Quote Draka Marintu wrote: Here is a step by step way to get rid of uplinks 1. Go to the market and purchase flux grenades 2. Go to your dropsuit fitting and equip the flux nades in your grenade slot 3. Enter a domination 4. Spawn in and leave your MCC 5. Run to the objective and if you see enemy uplinks throw your flux grenades at them and get rid of them 6. Rinse and Repeat You are going to get banned if you keep posting useful tips for dealing with equipment! NERF USEFUL TIPS
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 76	Posted - 2013.10.24 15:51:00 - [53] - Quote [quote=CCP Rattati]Just scan, and throw 3 flux's into the biggest uplink forest, I'm 99% sure that works. If it doesn't and it's just locuses, then fine I am misremembering but it still works. Regardless, you can sweep the field, max uplinks I have gotten in one grenade is 5 uplinks/hives. Not many people go and redeploy, it's usually just the first spawn that people bother to drop them. [/quote I maintain my 27 links for the entire match. I have a system that lets me know which ones were destroyed. You blow up one, I will replace it with 10 more. I am the uplinker God of dust. I always have a backup link hidden.
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 76	Posted - 2013.10.24 15:58:00 - [54] - Quote SIRAJKNIGHT wrote: Is that the other team spams Drop uplinks around the Objective and wins 95 percent of the time I ONLY play domination. I get first place EVER match and that's what pisses u cry babies off. When they nerf drop uplinks, u WILL be crying when you have to walk your fat azzez from the CRU. I only get HALF of my WP from links. I get the rest from blowing up anything red that gets near an objective. I may have zero kills, but I'm the one helping you WIN the battle. Time is money. It's my fault you team is lazy and cheap? I lose 200-300k every match. Make 400-800k. I pay to win!
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2331	Posted - 2013.10.24 16:00:00 - [55] - Quote As an equipment intensive Logi I've had quite a bit of experience with uplinks. I spend the first part of a match making runs to lay out uplinks and hives from four different fits, stopping off at a SD to change out if I don't get killed in the line of duty. Good teams hunt down my equipment and destroy it. By the time I've gotten around to making my first ammo run a good team has neutralized over half my uplinks. That can keep me in supply mode the entire match, unable to switch to medic. It's also really expensive for me as those fittings with proto equipment aren't cheap and I have to run more risks for good placement and making multiple runs increases my exposure considerably. Bad teams leave my stuff alone so I can go into medic or slayer mode about a quarter of the way into a Domination match. Uplinks are best separated by enough distance that one doesn't lead the enemy to discover the next. There are some cases where I'll drop a few in close proximity, such as the objective on the bridge, simply because there is only one pretty exposed path to the objective. For the most part you don't need more than one proto uplink just like you don't need more than one door in a room. You can fit as many mercs through one uplink as half a dozen. Nano hives can be profitably overlapped if they are healing or triage hives. A stack of those at the front can really assist the team, but they are vulnerable to hand tossed grenades of all types as well as MD rounds so they don't last as long. I also try to keep the amount of equipment in one place to a reasonable level because the sound level stacks and it starts to resemble a noisy factory floor where you can't hear the enemy sneaking up on you.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 108	Posted - 2013.10.24 16:33:00 - [56] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: No, X meters before another can be dropped. Or a more thematic way: when you spawn on a drop uplink, a flash of invisible radiation wipes out any nearby friendly uplinks. You can even make it do damage to enemy uplinks too - that would be really interesting. How much damage? Let's just make it that each uplink spawn does 50% of the uplink's HP to any nearby uplinks, so two or three spawns would take out any type. An interesting thought, spawning on one would destroy any other nearby friendly uplinks... don't think I like the idea of damaging enemy uplinks. Still, lots of ways to fix / address the issue and I think we all agree something should be done. I still believe you need some kind of limit per character or team since this would not stop corps from spamming then in worthless locations slightly away from battle to create lag (yes, one of our guys saw someone do this!).
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1068	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:01:00 - [57] - Quote Domination is not won with lonewolves and scattered squads. Domination is won with full team effort. Then again, Scotty has this new thing where he'll be a **** and deploy one team 2 minutes before the other, allowing the first team in to have control of the entire map and already be camping the redline when the other team shows up.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 481	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:20:00 - [58] - Quote SIRAJKNIGHT wrote: Is that the other team spams Drop uplinks around the Objective and wins 95 percent of the time So put down your own uplinks and use the active scanner. or you can keep crying.


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