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DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 168	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:42:00 - [1] - Quote I haven't asked for a nerf in a long time cause I think things should be buffed to balance it out this is my proposal keep the mass driver as is however allow clones killed by mass driver to be able to be revived via nanite injector. thats it my proposed mass driver nerf
Touchy McHealz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:43:00 - [2] - Quote My proposed counter nerf. AR's can't actually ever kill anyone, only drop them to 1 armor.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 168	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:44:00 - [3] - Quote Touchy McHealz wrote: My proposed counter nerf. AR's can't actually ever kill anyone, only drop them to 1 armor. this wasn't a troll post
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1599	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:44:00 - [4] - Quote DoomLead wrote: I haven't asked for a nerf in a long time cause I think things should be buffed to balance it out this is my proposal keep the mass driver as is however allow clones killed by mass driver to be able to be revived via nanite injector. thats it my proposed mass driver nerf MD needs no nerf.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 270	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:45:00 - [5] - Quote DoomLead wrote: I haven't asked for a nerf in a long time cause I think things should be buffed to balance it out this is my proposal keep the mass driver as is however allow clones killed by mass driver to be able to be revived via nanite injector. thats it my proposed mass driver nerf Fair enough
Cosgar ParagonX 4143	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:47:00 - [6] - Quote How about we leave the MD the **** alone and focus on the other under used weapons so that they're as effective as the small handful we're all crying about?
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1601	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:49:00 - [7] - Quote DoomLead wrote: Touchy McHealz wrote: My proposed counter nerf. AR's can't actually ever kill anyone, only drop them to 1 armor. this wasn't a troll post Ok, how about 20 points? Afterall, as a generalist weapon, shouldn't the finishing blow need to be made by a specialist weapon?
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 169	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:50:00 - [8] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: DoomLead wrote: I haven't asked for a nerf in a long time cause I think things should be buffed to balance it out this is my proposal keep the mass driver as is however allow clones killed by mass driver to be able to be revived via nanite injector. thats it my proposed mass driver nerf MD needs no nerf. Cosgar wrote: How about we leave the MD the **** alone and focus on the other under used weapons so that they're as effective as the small handful we're all crying about? notice i asked for no changes to the weapon at all I just asked for someone killed by this weapon to be revived you two should try to read the post before offering 2 cents
Touchy McHealz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:52:00 - [9] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: DoomLead wrote: Touchy McHealz wrote: My proposed counter nerf. AR's can't actually ever kill anyone, only drop them to 1 armor. this wasn't a troll post Ok, how about 20 points? Afterall, as a generalist weapon, shouldn't the finishing blow need to be made by a specialist weapon? I like your style. Like operation. Call in the specialist!! I can't get the writers cramp out. I get 3 do-overs. Anyway, I can't heap enough scorn on these nerf MD threads. Suddenly someone's weapon choice isn't 100% dominant anymore and the might die, so they cry foul. Yes I MD. Yes I am a logi. I toss them at people to get them away from the dude I'm trying to needle. If I get a kill, cool. If not, 25 pts for an assist and 60 for the revive. The kills I do get just make me giggle all the harder as I know I am fueling more impotent forum rage.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1601	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:54:00 - [10] - Quote DoomLead wrote: Buster Friently wrote: DoomLead wrote: I haven't asked for a nerf in a long time cause I think things should be buffed to balance it out this is my proposal keep the mass driver as is however allow clones killed by mass driver to be able to be revived via nanite injector. thats it my proposed mass driver nerf MD needs no nerf. Cosgar wrote: How about we leave the MD the ** alone and focus on the other under used weapons so that they're as effective as the small handful we're all crying about? notice i asked for no changes to the weapon at all I just asked for someone killed by this weapon to be revived you two should try to read the post before offering 2 cents Incidentally, that's still a nerf of the weapon. That's like saying, "You know, the projectile for the MD should travel half as fast - notice how I asked for no changes to the weapon at all?" ** off. The MD is fine, UP even.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7182	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:55:00 - [11] - Quote Due to the short sweet simple nature of the OP its hard to take the OP seriously enough on the topic. Sorry.
Touchy McHealz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2013.08.13 02:56:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Due to the short sweet simple nature of the OP its hard to take the OP seriously enough on the topic. Sorry. I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with a CPM dude, and seen one not being a sycophant. Good on ya.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1602	Posted - 2013.08.13 03:04:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Due to the short sweet simple nature of the OP its hard to take the OP seriously enough on the topic. Sorry. As for the instant biomassing, The Mass Driver is the Minmatar answer for the Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon, both of which also exhibit similar behaviors. Clones killed by either of those weapons also are biomassed instantly (and yes you can die from a swarm launcher by jumping into it) Yes, same with anything with splash damage - grenades, remote explosives, forge guns, etc.
ROADKILLURAZZ MURDER TAXI COMPANY 56	Posted - 2013.08.13 05:49:00 - [14] - Quote DoomLead wrote: I haven't asked for a nerf in a long time cause I think things should be buffed to balance it out this is my proposal keep the mass driver as is however allow clones killed by mass driver to be able to be revived via nanite injector. thats it my proposed mass driver nerf no no and no! Why cant people just beg for new maps like me? Leave the fking weapons alone and move on!
Blaze Ashra Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.08.13 06:15:00 - [15] - Quote I'd prefer no nerf at all but if they do decide to nerf it I hope they go this route instead of damage reduction or splash reduction. That being said, I would rather the AR and MD both get nerfed or left alone together for fairness.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 73	Posted - 2013.08.13 06:38:00 - [16] - Quote splash needs to have resistances applied that will in effect be a 20% dmg nerf across the bored and should bring it in line with the other weapons.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1661	Posted - 2013.08.13 06:56:00 - [17] - Quote OP has serious complaint. Explosives being able to magically render someone un-revivable, when headshots and other (much more damaging) weapons and circumstances allow someone to be picked up just fine... Is a little off. The state that determines if someone can be revived or not should be based on overkill damage, for -every- weapon. Shots that barely kill you should always allow you to be picked up, no matter what weapon it was. Shots that do a lot of damage past 0 armor, should leave you unable to be picked up, in my opinion. I'll leave what qualifies as 'A lot past armor" to the community though.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 382	Posted - 2013.08.13 07:34:00 - [18] - Quote MD is usually fine when used in slow armor tanked suits as you can just run away and fight against the MD users odds at range. things change when you are in a shield tanked suit with lolspeed and lowslots with stamina mods, where you can bunny hop around for ages and just toss grenades at the enemies feet. add hit detection issues + shield recharge delay bug to this and you have a very annoying and broken suit to fight against on the battlefield. and ressurecting MD victims is not possible.
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz 101	Posted - 2013.08.13 08:49:00 - [19] - Quote how about not touching with the MD. Personally I hate the MD. Others love the gun and are able to use it once again. Yes dying by it can be "annoying" for nice words but the problem IS NOT that it is OP. The problem is it does -20% to shields and +20% to armor. So when your fluxed then MD that is smart on there part. Why shoot there MD wasting ammo at shields when you can one shot there armor. This works very well in this game because everyone is shield based. Instead of nerfing the MD. Why not change the -20% to shields and +20% to armor to -10% shield and +5-10% armor. Yes you COULD be one shoot by a MD if your suit isnt not fitted with armor plates. This would bring up another problem tho. By stacking on armor plates that add 115HP armor you will be moving at the speed of a normal heavy. Yes you will have alot more hp but think of this. The longer your in the field moving going from point A to point B the more damage you take. Even with an extra 460 HP to armor. It wont matter if your moving slow taking more bullets. With the "new" armor plates that dont effect movement speed you need alot of PG. You cant give up a low for a PG upgrade because that takes away from HP. So you will need PG upgrades lvl 5 in order to run your suit and MAYBE save a low slot. SUMMERY MD are NOT OP just annoying with flux combo +20% armor damage. Just change the +20% armor damage to +5-10% armor damage.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1679	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:32:00 - [20] - Quote I love how people are replying to the topic without even reading the OP, and explaining why the damage is fine. Read it again, folks. This has nothing to do with the damage.

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders 520	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:33:00 - [21] - Quote DoomLead wrote: I haven't asked for a nerf in a long time cause I think things should be buffed to balance it out this is my proposal keep the mass driver as is however allow clones killed by mass driver to be able to be revived via nanite injector. thats it my proposed mass driver nerf Or just make explosives not do full damage at the edge of their AoE.
Michael Arck sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 526	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:34:00 - [22] - Quote DoomLead wrote: however allow clones killed by mass driver to be able to be revived via nanite injector. f YES! My CEO and I were talking about that earlier today.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 499	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:57:00 - [23] - Quote Touchy McHealz wrote: My proposed counter nerf. AR's can't actually ever kill anyone, only drop them to 1 armor. Mass drivers deal much more damage than what they should do. Fixing them and they'll be ok.
Spaceman-Rob Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2013.08.14 01:17:00 - [24] - Quote Just buff the other damn weapons so they can compete with it otherwise the games gonna be full of shite guns that nobody wants to use
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 279	Posted - 2013.08.14 01:29:00 - [25] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: I love how people are replying to the topic without even reading the OP, and explaining why the damage is fine. Read it again, folks. This has nothing to do with the damage. Lawl I agree. Now you see what this community lacks. Logic, even I replied saying fair enough. Why not be able to revive.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7245	Posted - 2013.08.14 01:30:00 - [26] - Quote Because I really don't want people screaming nerf nanite injectors.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 279	Posted - 2013.08.14 01:32:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Because I really don't want people screaming nerf nanite injectors. Lmao! I'm still waiting for them to scream nerf nova knife.
echo47 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2013.08.14 01:39:00 - [28] - Quote I prefer an explosive resistance module if possible, high or low.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2969	Posted - 2013.08.14 02:08:00 - [29] - Quote Support! Clones should only be forced to despawn if they're shot when they're already dead.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 172	Posted - 2013.08.14 02:31:00 - [30] - Quote bump https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101728&find=unread

ugg reset Molon Labe. League of Infamy 344	Posted - 2013.08.14 02:47:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Due to the short sweet simple nature of the OP its hard to take the OP seriously enough on the topic. Sorry. As for the instant biomassing, The Mass Driver is the Minmatar answer for the Swarm Launcher and Plasma Cannon, both of which also exhibit similar behaviors. Clones killed by either of those weapons also are biomassed instantly (and yes you can die from a swarm launcher by jumping into it) this I learn the hard way as I jump from a doomed derp ship at 200m
ugg reset Molon Labe. League of Infamy 344	Posted - 2013.08.14 02:50:00 - [32] - Quote DoomLead wrote: I haven't asked for a nerf in a long ... using the N word here is just asking for harassment of some kind.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 248	Posted - 2013.08.14 04:46:00 - [33] - Quote Reduce the splash damage for freedom, buff breach splash dmg, call it a day
McFurious TeamPlayers EoN. 295	Posted - 2013.08.14 04:56:00 - [34] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Reduce the splash damage for freedom, buff breach splash dmg, call it a day Breach doesn't need a splash buff. It could use a rate of fire buff though.
Touchy McHealz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2013.08.14 13:14:00 - [35] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: OP has serious complaint. Explosives being able to magically render someone un-revivable, when headshots and other (much more damaging) weapons and circumstances allow someone to be picked up just fine... Is a little off. The state that determines if someone can be revived or not should be based on overkill damage, for -every- weapon. Shots that barely kill you should always allow you to be picked up, no matter what weapon it was. Shots that do a lot of damage past 0 armor, should leave you unable to be picked up, in my opinion. I'll leave what qualifies as 'A lot past armor" to the community though. Pssst, hey CPM duder. You are wrong. And dumb. Headshots prevent revives. FG hits prevent revives. Flaylocks prevent revives. Grenades prevent revives. Getting hit hard enough by an LAV prevents revives. Getting shot while on the ground prevents revives. HTFU and STFU. 1 weapon scenario out of a dozen other kill scenarios prevents a revive, and you **** and moan. THIS is why I hate the CPM, ignorant twats.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 858	Posted - 2013.08.14 13:37:00 - [36] - Quote Dont take my easy street from me :( I enjoy feeling sleazy !
ROADKILLURAZZ MURDER TAXI COMPANY 69	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:28:00 - [37] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: I love how people are replying to the topic without even reading the OP, and explaining why the damage is fine. Read it again, folks. This has nothing to do with the damage. OP said "mass and nerf" in the same sentence! What did you think would happen? MASS PANIC!!!! I dont read half the garbage some of these guys write! Title says it all! Ps: half the dust players are still in middle school! As to having NOTHING to do with damage, YOUR WRONG! It has EVERYTHING to do with damage! The MD will FK u up! It's op NERF IT NOW before the world ends! AHHHHHHHHHHHH If guys would learn to fall back instead of rushing, it would'nt be a problem!
Mirataf WARRIORS 1NC 42	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:40:00 - [38] - Quote Yep, i like the idea. Now the next issue will be being hit for the second time after killed and being biomassed any way. On top of the above I'd think something like a 1.5 second invulnerability (not able to fire during this time) to the stabee and maybe a 50% damage reduction to the stabber during the stabbing animation.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 173	Posted - 2013.08.16 18:26:00 - [39] - Quote bump
Greiskind Neo Terra Imperial Army Neo Terra Empire 29	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:09:00 - [40] - Quote DoomLead wrote: I haven't asked for a nerf in a long time cause I think things should be buffed to balance it out this is my proposal keep the mass driver as is however allow clones killed by mass driver to be able to be revived via nanite injector. thats it my proposed mass driver nerf edit: this should also apply to anything with splash damage - grenades, remote explosives, forge guns, etc. (with the exception of being inside vehicle) and this is coming from a part time forge sniper now if the body of a down clone gets shot than the clone is officiallly dead think (mortal combat finish him) head shots with any weapon would still be an insta kill Mass Driver and other explosive weapons like grenades and such do their damage by tearing you to bits. With your insides on the outside of your derpsuit, body bits scattered over 20m^2 of terrain, what are the nanites going to work on? I see why explosive damage sends your jellied corpse to the bio-recycler, do not pass Go, do not collect 200 ISK.

BOISTEROUS BAGEL Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2013.08.30 01:38:00 - [41] - Quote DoomLead wrote: I haven't asked for a nerf in a long time cause I think things should be buffed to balance it out this is my proposal keep the mass driver as is however allow clones killed by mass driver to be able to be revived via nanite injector. thats it my proposed mass driver nerf edit: this should also apply to anything with splash damage - grenades, remote explosives, forge guns, etc. (with the exception of being inside vehicle) and this is coming from a part time forge sniper now if the body of a down clone gets shot than the clone is officiallly dead think (mortal combat finish him) head shots with any weapon would still be an insta kill I think that is a fantastic idea. Being a mass driver user for months now, I of course do not want to have my favorite weapon nerfed, but I am more than understanding of the sudden cries for it. A squad of untrained mass drivers can aim in a general direction and fire 6 shots per second and death WILL happen, and it seems to me that complaints about the mass driver did not exceed reasonable numbers until flaylocks were seriously crippled by their blast radius (let's be frank, it's a sidearm and the reduction made sense.) and a lot of them switched to mass drivers for a similar feel to their weaponry. I feel like it would make a lot more sense than reducing weapon capabilities if the skills needed to even use the standard mass driver were Weaponry level 5 (no change to skill multiplier), Light weapon upgrade proficiency level 5 (no change to skill multiplier) Mass driver op. level 5 (8X multiplier), Mass driver pro. level 3 (10X multiplier). This may seem drastic in SP but I feel like the frustration had by many players justifies it. That's my bit, thanks for listening.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 178	Posted - 2013.08.30 18:44:00 - [42] - Quote bump


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