are using something that's OP and they're terrified of having that leveled out too.
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are using something that's OP and they're terrified of having that leveled out too.
Hello forge gunners!

We see right through you.

Hi there, I'm a very vocal Vehicle player.

Forge Guns aren't OP, get the **** out.

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No.

I know your type, proto Dropsuits proto AR and Pub stomping LOL.

Got a little sore on those CAL LOGIS?

You just want to stomp everything with your Proto cr*p and nothing being able to stop you.

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Keep Moving or get FG in tha face. FG are fine. If you get killed by a FG, you are not as good as your K-D ratio says...

Hi there, I'm a very vocal Vehicle player.

Forge Guns aren't OP, get the **** out.

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convincing argument.

bravo

try again, I have proto nothing. My KDR just reached 1.0 today.

Content i want content at the moment instead of balancing. I use a variety of weapons proto ar, Adv Scr, Laser, sniper, and Scrambler pistol. I think the balance is just fine at the moment even if some people disagree.

I got proto nothing and my kdr is 1.47

try again, I have proto nothing. My KDR just reached 1.0 today.

Its one thing whether CCP should listen to the masses on forums about nerfing

but the idea that we they should effectively freeze any attempts to balance this game further is ridiculous.

I am not one to cry about OP cause no matter what weapon I use.. it turns Op.

I can get one shoted by a miltia FG while I am in full proto, and that not being slightly messed up...but taking me 5 seconds to ment a proto wearer in chromo caused a full revanp of the LR..... something is not right here

are using something that's OP and they're terrified of having that leveled out too.
Hello forge gunners!

We see right through you.

I am not one to cry about OP cause no matter what weapon I use.. it turns Op.

I can get one shoted by a miltia FG while I am in full proto, and that not being slightly messed up...but taking me 5 seconds to melt a proto wearer in chromo caused a full revanp of the LR..... something is not right here

Okay, so how do you "balance" when all items are not in the game.

The items, suits and vehicles not inthe game could very well be the counters to what QQers consider OP

. Personally I prefer a counter rather than a nerf. CCP's "balance" attempts right now look like nothing more than a reaction, nothing proactive about them.

If FGs were really OP, you'd see more of them in PC. Think about it. First, TARs were basically required. Then Flaylocks were used primarily. Those WERE OP. Forge Guns are good in the right hands, which is exactly how every weapon should be.

I am not one to cry about OP cause no matter what weapon I use.. it turns Op.

I can get one shoted by a miltia FG while I am in full proto, and that not being slightly messed up...but taking me 5 seconds to melt a proto wearer in chromo caused a full revanp of the LR..... something is not right here

If FGs were really OP, you'd see more of them in PC. Think about it. First, TARs were basically required. Then Flaylocks were used primarily. Those WERE OP. Forge Guns are good in the right hands, which is exactly how every weapon should be.

Nope because people don't like heavy frames as much. Less people have tested forges themselves or seen them being used , hence less people using them.

Besides its a different gun-play style than COD or whatever crap most AR fans come from. Also with so few people speced into proto forge they rarely get to see the devastation of that weapon, to be inspired into specing it

If there was a godsuit that killed people by looking at them, and few people used it, it would still be OP. If there was only a single person using the forge gun in all of Dust it would still be OP. Its the gun that is OP, not the number of players flocking to it.

My only gripe about FGs is that draw distance can make them impossible to find.

Forge Guns have been able to OHK direct impact as long as I've played the game. Why are people just now complaining? Must be because the weapons are actually really balanced right now. Mass Drivers could use a small tweak, but they're not insane. People just complain because they think dying by anything means OP.

Nope because people don't like heavy frames as much. Less people have tested forges themselves or seen them being used , hence less people using them.

Besides its a different gun-play style than COD or whatever crap most AR fans come from. Also with so few people speced into proto forge they rarely get to see the devastation of that weapon, to be inspired into specing it

If there was a godsuit that killed people by looking at them, and few people used it, it would still be OP. If there was only a single person using the forge gun in all of Dust it would still be OP. Its the gun that is OP, not the number of players flocking to it.

If it makes you feel better, I have a really hard time finding snipers that hassle me the whole game. Draw distance in general needs worked on. That really is no fault to the weapon.

No, you got owned by it and QQ. Just admit it already.

If it makes you feel better, I have a really hard time finding snipers that hassle me the whole game. Draw distance in general needs worked on. That really is no fault to the weapon.

Most people that cry for nerfs have this perfect world scenario where the game is only fair and fun for themselves and nobody else. They want to tell others what they should do and how they should play through any means while holding up meaningless prestige in a flawed game mode like it matters when it only counts for 1% of the content we have. They never support their claims with numbers, examples, or any degree of proff and are prone to circlejerk with other like minded individuals that share in their flawed logic.

you're afraid of losing your iwin button. admit it

Wasn't the Viziam's damage or heat build up bugged back in Chrome?

Dude i've got my miserable 2.6 K-D Ratio with a 250HP Scout suit and an advanced SMG.

I dont need a Win Button....Nor a corp for that matters...

I started playing FORGE GUN because i f**** HATE LAV's, not because it was FOTW....

Man..you gave 50 reasons as to why it should be buffed. But a 1 shot militia blast is ok from a FG?

If FGs were really OP, you'd see more of them in PC. Think about it. First, TARs were basically required. Then Flaylocks were used primarily. Those WERE OP. Forge Guns are good in the right hands, which is exactly how every weapon should be.

Hey Heavies, they wanna make one of your two only weapons useless!

You're comparing a DoT with spike damage. That's like saying an AR should out DPS a shotgun.

Hey Heavies, they wanna make one of your two only weapons useless!

Im not saying anything should OUT dmg anything...was that your arguement with the LR?

So tired of idiot players screaming for nerfs and balance when you should be screaming for Information!


You think you know DUST? You don't know jack. You know one single player's DUST experience.

You think you understand what needs nerfed, changed and balanced? You don't know jack!

You have ( We Have) no data. None. CCP tells us nothing about system performance, kill ratios, weapon effectiveness given planning goals.

God help us all if they ever actually listened and acted on the whining that the mewling Dust Diaspora flings thier way daily.

Quit crying for change and start demanding information. Make informed decisions. You know how the game feels to you. Now how does the game perform for everyone?

CCP: please publish weapon and game related data that is pertinent to the multitude of issues players bring to you.

Transparency. Information. Data. Those are the tools that lead to a top quality product. Not whomever can whine the most or insult thier fellow gamers the best.

Actually it s one of 2 weapons that ONLY a heavy can use...they are the only class that can use ALL weapons

''Great, we're settled then. Tone down assault forge''

Do it, i use Regular FG and Breach anyways.
And i dont even need the splash damage either. You know, i do know how to use my FG and to score Direct hits...

looking at data like which weapon got the most and fewest kills is completely worthless in balancing,
All it shows is what people are using, and the reasons vary.

If IRL was a game, and we were balancing cars you would see something like

Well, millions of people drive hyundai and toyota

Whereas only lets say a few thousand people are driving Lamborghini.

"NERF HYUNDAI, BUFF LAMBORGHINIs!"
Duuuurrrrrrrppppppppppppp

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Problem is this is exactly how CCP balances weapons lol*

Umm, except it is revealing. The AR is stupidly overused. That fact alone is enough to warrant a correction. The weapon overuse is killing diversity in the game. Diversity is what gives a game depth, and is therefore needed.

The AR is a problem. Pure and simple. It needs corrected. Pure and simple.

idk, I'm not defending AR

but stats are affected by many things and you can make numbers mean anything you want.
For example I'll be more players chose whatever the default starting race is. More players play medium frames because that's what the game starts them with, and it keeps them in their comfort zone. More people use AR's because its the basic starter weapon. Hence more spec into it, and more kills with it. Its most similar to weapons in other games they're used to, etc.

All this is true, and accounts for some of the overuse. The AR is killing at almost the rate of 11 of the available 14 weapons combined though. That's way too much. The AR needs to be less desirable.

are using something that's OP and they're terrified of having that leveled out too.
Hello forge gunners!

We see right through you.

If you got nailed by a fg
More thwn likely you stood still too long
Or ran in a straight line
Serpentine serpentine! !

brilliant! I have respect for you then.

Do the Damage less than the Regular FG (not too much, just slightly) and the Splash damage to cover a lot less area.
Give them 2 more bullets in a clip.

This way the Assault forge gun would still have a good spot as an AV weapon but a little less in the A infantry dept.


I insist , i think ALL FGs are ok (well maybe the breach is a little crappy) and im AGAINST nerfing them, but if the rant is about Assault FG this would ''fix'' them while leaving them pretty good.
I might even start using them if they had that nerfed but gain 2 shots in a clip....

Hi there, I'm a very vocal Vehicle player.

Forge Guns aren't OP, get the **** out.

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I have to disagree with the current state vehicles are in the assault forgegun seems a little op. I to am a vocal vehicle player.

ITT heavies. heavier everywhere.

I understand you're concerned about losing effectiveness on one of your only two weapons. Sure
Did not say nerf it to the ground. And only the assault really.

Sure you need new weapons, sure forge gun should be able to 1-shot infantry with a Direct hit.
Sure it needs some range. But it does not need to be what it is right now - a joke.

demolish any vehicle in seconds [ignore logic LAV, that thing needs reduced at same time], 25-0 infantry sniping with spash. Pinpoint accuracy. 320 meters range? No indication of position or that you're being tracked? Why'd they remove the glow? The shaking? Its easier to snipe with my militia forge than a sniper.

Idemolish any vehicle in seconds [ignore logic LAV, that thing needs reduced at same time], 25-0 infantry sniping with spash. Pinpoint accuracy. 320 meters range? No indication of position or that you're being tracked? Why'd they remove the glow? The shaking? Its easier to snipe with my militia forge than a sniper.