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Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 860	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:36:00 - [1] - Quote Revive their logis? Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive? Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo. So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours? It's gets to be an expensive war out there and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle
Viktor Zokas 187. 194	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:40:00 - [2] - Quote Well main reason is most people still don't lay down nanohives. Or actively try to lay them down not at the front lines. As a mid-range front liner, this is horrible to run out of ammo in the middle of a fight. Generally though, I am in no need of a logi. In any case, the answer to your problem is to make a adv suit or a proto suit with adv gear. Most adv nanohives, injectors, rep tools, are good enough for pub battles. For PC battles, it seems like a team thing, talk to your squad or corp to organize nano injectors.
Aisha Ctarl The Generals EoN. 1008	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:43:00 - [3] - Quote Here is why.... Assaults are what their name suggests - people who assault an objective. They are on the front lines trying to purge the enemy from an area so that they can they sweep in and take the objective. Doing the above task takes ammunition and firefights on some fronts tend to be drawn out. As a result of assault players playing their role and exhausting ammunition, most tend to run with nanohives to replenish their and teammates' ammunition. I'm sorry if it disappoints you, but nanohives suit an assault player more than a nanite injector would. If ISK is an issue, run advanced suits and gear and not proto in pub matches, or roll with a pack of logis that can revive you in the case you go down.
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 1838	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:43:00 - [4] - Quote Most of the people who revive and repair me are assaults. Most people in Logi suits don't repair or revive people outside of their squad and that is only if they play medic.
Seiox Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:45:00 - [5] - Quote A risk of being a LogiBroTM I'm afraid. More likely to happen with more adv suits and better players as most teams who I see winning have plenty of revivers running around. Of course you gotta remember not many FPSs have revives. MAG is the only one I remember playing that had that and so people that came from there are more use to it and see the benefits of it more. I generally use Adv. suits at most in randoms. Of course I'm sure you already do but, try and stay out of combat as much as possible. I don't mean completely avoid it but stay in the back. Sure you may end up letting some die but if you end up winning the skirmish then you can revive them. If you try and help them in the heat of battle and end up getting shot, there's no guarantee any of them have a injector to revive you.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 628	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:50:00 - [6] - Quote If they routinely run in proximity to a Logi it makes sense. If you can't really count on that? Compact Nanohives are a miracle of the universe. Cheap cost, cheap fit, can rapidly repair armour in a pinch, restocks loads of ammo for yourself and others. That's the thing. Whether you have a consistent group or not changes your fits, what you tend to field. I ran with needle for a while but with people respawning before they could be revived or getting killed in the open where they shouldn't have been and can't be safely picked up... ended up reverting to something more consistently useful. Lack of ammo is a killer, I work on remedying that now and leave the necromancy to others most of the time. On the off-chance that I'm running with a squad with expensive gear, some AV and not much vehicular presence on the enemy's side? Then I crack out the fits with the needles but most of the time they just collect dust.
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 82	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:51:00 - [7] - Quote Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ammo.....
KingBlade82 The Phoenix Federation 162	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:53:00 - [8] - Quote gbh08 wrote: Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ammo..... what he said im not running a nanite injector -_- u must be nuts
Silent Defiance Lone Hound of Death 12	Posted - 2013.08.12 17:01:00 - [9] - Quote There is the supplied Starter Suit "Assault-Medic" which does suggest that it is a role assault suits can carry out. Really though anyone can choose to carry it or not.
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 564	Posted - 2013.08.12 17:02:00 - [10] - Quote Some corps might choose not to revive players so individuals have more tank or DPS. Meanwhile they will have protosuperquick uplinks to spawn players mas rapido.

JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 564	Posted - 2013.08.12 17:04:00 - [11] - Quote Silent Defiance wrote: There is the supplied Starter Suit "Assault-Medic" while does suggest that it is a role assault suits can carry out. Can. Can is the key word. I can do it but why?
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 119	Posted - 2013.08.12 17:06:00 - [12] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Most of the people who revive and repair me are assaults. Most people in Logi suits don't repair or revive people outside of their squad and that is only if they play medic. Demolotions is funner than medic. But most play healer/assault. Which is fine if they use equipment.
Mamertine Son R.E.B.E.L.S 90	Posted - 2013.08.12 17:08:00 - [13] - Quote I revive you guys all the time, so shut up and get behind me!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1140	Posted - 2013.08.12 17:25:00 - [14] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Revive their logis? Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive? Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo. So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours? It's gets to be an expensive war out there and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle I don't have an assault suit, but when I run what are effectively my assault fittings, I carry a nanohive. I imagine the same applies to most. Running out of ammo on a Duvolle is a far bigger dilemma than winning a match for those who are running proto gear.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 868	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:52:00 - [15] - Quote lol , I wasn't really serious but being a logi does get expensive * when playing an infantry role
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 162	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:57:00 - [16] - Quote Take away assaults equipment slot, see how they feel about us then:D
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1040	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:05:00 - [17] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Revive their logis? Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive? Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo. So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours? It's gets to be an expensive war out there and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle Because assault suits are more focused on dropping hives for themselves.
RKKR The Southern Legion 313	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:11:00 - [18] - Quote gbh08 wrote: Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ambo..... That's for solo running assaults...then people wonder why '**** you logis need to do your job'-threads come from. My ammo is better than yours. Bring an injector...or maybe not you probably die before me
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2944	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:14:00 - [19] - Quote Wtf do most assaults carry, anyway?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2944	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:15:00 - [20] - Quote gbh08 wrote: Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ammo..... Yet you don't throw it down anyway. I'm running around with just an SMG, trying to find a supply depot, while no assaults respond to my gestures for ammo.

gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 83	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:21:00 - [21] - Quote RKKR wrote: gbh08 wrote: Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ambo..... That's for solo running assaults...then people wonder why '**** you logis need to do your job'-threads come from. My ammo is better than yours. Bring an injector...or maybe not you probably die before me i do play solo..... and yeah, i can hardly never find ammo when i need it dying before you, our kdr's would suggest otherwise played 2 games today went 20 \ 4 with a suicide and 18 \ 3 rolling with a gek and adv suit
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 83	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:23:00 - [22] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: gbh08 wrote: Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ammo..... Yet you don't throw it down anyway. I'm running around with just an SMG, trying to find a supply depot, while no assaults respond to my gestures for ammo. LoL you guys presume a ***** lot i get through both my hives, then end up driving to supply depo also heres a idea, carry your own ***** hives
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 163	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:47:00 - [23] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Wtf do most assaults carry, anyway? A big head.
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO LEGIONCOMBATCREW 100	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:52:00 - [24] - Quote Give us more cpu and pg and a extra equipment then we might.
RA Drahcir Psygod9 107	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:16:00 - [25] - Quote as I heavy I may not be able to revive my logibros but I do give ISK commission.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 649	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:27:00 - [26] - Quote The same reason they didn't kill the guy who killed you before you died? They're not perfect. Because they are running A) A personal nanohive due to lack of effective team support logis or B) Drop uplinks to farm WP and due to lack of effective team support logis We are also still recovering from the period when nanite injectors were completely useless so an entire generation (month's worth) of players was trained to believe that they are worthless. But basically it comes down to the same reason your team's other logis aren't reviving you... there are other equipment slots that may be more valuable to that person. A well placed drop uplink, for example, can net you upwards of 500 WP (more with squad orders) with minimal effort and allows you to control the flow of combat and shift the lines of friendly troops in certain situations. To effectively revive takes more time per WP gained, puts yourself at increased risk while carrying out the revive, is ineffective if someone is destroyed explosively or bleeds out to respawn on someone elses uplink or is revived by a guy faster to the body than you, and does not help you if you die yourself (whereas an uplink can put the assault that placed it right back into the fight). At this point I only run a needle+repair if I'm in a squad of corp/alliance mates and I know a couple other people at least have uplinks for us. Also, no one cares how much your suit cost TBQH ... you could be in a 2mil ISK tank and most people would watch you burn while the full-health light suit with a forge launcher blows you up if it meant they could get a single additional kill by aiming at the near-death assault instead. If you can't afford to lose it, drop down a tier or two. But yeah, as a logi who dies with 8x blueberries around me that subsequently clear the reds that kill me but no one can revive me... I understand the frustration.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 870	Posted - 2013.08.12 22:44:00 - [27] - Quote some good points here.. but I don't care about logic and reasoning! REVIVE ME!!!!
TEBOW BAGGINS Rebel Raiders Inc. 871	Posted - 2013.08.12 22:50:00 - [28] - Quote i gave up on trying to rez ppl when the guy i rezzed stole my llav
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 1846	Posted - 2013.08.12 22:51:00 - [29] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Take away assaults equipment slot, see how they feel about us then:D We'll then we will hang around the Supply Depots and leave you guy's out there in the rain.
Defy Gravity Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2013.08.12 22:51:00 - [30] - Quote Almost every Caldari logi iv'e seen plays as an assault. Iv'e given up on counting on blueberrys to pick me up so I work alone now. Dont expect me to revive you if I cant be revived by a proto Caldari logi that plays an assault role. I'm an amarr proto logi everything. Iv'e got core skills 5 in all important aspects and I help my squad when I need to. If you see me on your team don't expect a revive if im playing logi role if I cant get the support I need to win the match.



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