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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
860
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:36:00 -
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Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle |
Viktor Zokas
187.
194
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:40:00 -
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Well main reason is most people still don't lay down nanohives. Or actively try to lay them down not at the front lines. As a mid-range front liner, this is horrible to run out of ammo in the middle of a fight. Generally though, I am in no need of a logi.
In any case, the answer to your problem is to make a adv suit or a proto suit with adv gear. Most adv nanohives, injectors, rep tools, are good enough for pub battles.
For PC battles, it seems like a team thing, talk to your squad or corp to organize nano injectors. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
1008
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:43:00 -
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Here is why....
Assaults are what their name suggests - people who assault an objective. They are on the front lines trying to purge the enemy from an area so that they can they sweep in and take the objective. Doing the above task takes ammunition and firefights on some fronts tend to be drawn out. As a result of assault players playing their role and exhausting ammunition, most tend to run with nanohives to replenish their and teammates' ammunition.
I'm sorry if it disappoints you, but nanohives suit an assault player more than a nanite injector would. If ISK is an issue, run advanced suits and gear and not proto in pub matches, or roll with a pack of logis that can revive you in the case you go down. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1838
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:43:00 -
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Most of the people who revive and repair me are assaults. Most people in Logi suits don't repair or revive people outside of their squad and that is only if they play medic. |
Seiox
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:45:00 -
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A risk of being a LogiBro*TM* I'm afraid. More likely to happen with more adv suits and better players as most teams who I see winning have plenty of revivers running around. Of course you gotta remember not many FPSs have revives. MAG is the only one I remember playing that had that and so people that came from there are more use to it and see the benefits of it more. I generally use Adv. suits at most in randoms.
Of course I'm sure you already do but, try and stay out of combat as much as possible. I don't mean completely avoid it but stay in the back. Sure you may end up letting some die but if you end up winning the skirmish then you can revive them. If you try and help them in the heat of battle and end up getting shot, there's no guarantee any of them have a injector to revive you. |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
628
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:50:00 -
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If they routinely run in proximity to a Logi it makes sense.
If you can't really count on that? Compact Nanohives are a miracle of the universe. Cheap cost, cheap fit, can rapidly repair armour in a pinch, restocks loads of ammo for yourself and others.
That's the thing. Whether you have a consistent group or not changes your fits, what you tend to field. I ran with needle for a while but with people respawning before they could be revived or getting killed in the open where they shouldn't have been and can't be safely picked up... ended up reverting to something more consistently useful. Lack of ammo is a killer, I work on remedying that now and leave the necromancy to others most of the time.
On the off-chance that I'm running with a squad with expensive gear, some AV and not much vehicular presence on the enemy's side? Then I crack out the fits with the needles but most of the time they just collect dust. |
gbh08
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
82
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:51:00 -
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Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ammo.....
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KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
162
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:53:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ammo.....
what he said im not running a nanite injector -_- u must be nuts |
Silent Defiance
Lone Hound of Death
12
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:01:00 -
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There is the supplied Starter Suit "Assault-Medic" which does suggest that it is a role assault suits can carry out. Really though anyone can choose to carry it or not. |
JL3Eleven
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
564
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:02:00 -
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Some corps might choose not to revive players so individuals have more tank or DPS. Meanwhile they will have protosuperquick uplinks to spawn players mas rapido. |
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JL3Eleven
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
564
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:04:00 -
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Silent Defiance wrote:There is the supplied Starter Suit "Assault-Medic" while does suggest that it is a role assault suits can carry out.
Can. Can is the key word. I can do it but why? |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
119
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:06:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Most of the people who revive and repair me are assaults. Most people in Logi suits don't repair or revive people outside of their squad and that is only if they play medic. Demolotions is funner than medic. But most play healer/assault. Which is fine if they use equipment. |
Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
90
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:08:00 -
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I revive you guys all the time, so shut up and get behind me! |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1140
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:25:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle
I don't have an assault suit, but when I run what are effectively my assault fittings, I carry a nanohive. I imagine the same applies to most. Running out of ammo on a Duvolle is a far bigger dilemma than winning a match for those who are running proto gear. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
868
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:52:00 -
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lol , I wasn't really serious
but being a logi does get expensive
* when playing an infantry role |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
162
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:57:00 -
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Take away assaults equipment slot, see how they feel about us then:D |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1040
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:05:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle
Because assault suits are more focused on dropping hives for themselves. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
313
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:11:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ambo.....
That's for solo running assaults...then people wonder why '**** you logis need to do your job'-threads come from.
My ammo is better than yours.
Bring an injector...or maybe not you probably die before me |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2944
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:14:00 -
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Wtf do most assaults carry, anyway? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2944
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:15:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ammo.....
Yet you don't throw it down anyway. I'm running around with just an SMG, trying to find a supply depot, while no assaults respond to my gestures for ammo. |
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gbh08
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
83
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:21:00 -
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RKKR wrote:gbh08 wrote:Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ambo.....
That's for solo running assaults...then people wonder why '**** you logis need to do your job'-threads come from. My ammo is better than yours. Bring an injector...or maybe not you probably die before me
i do play solo..... and yeah, i can hardly never find ammo when i need it
dying before you, our kdr's would suggest otherwise
played 2 games today went 20 \ 4 with a suicide and 18 \ 3 rolling with a gek and adv suit
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gbh08
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
83
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:23:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:gbh08 wrote:Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ammo.....
Yet you don't throw it down anyway. I'm running around with just an SMG, trying to find a supply depot, while no assaults respond to my gestures for ammo.
LoL you guys presume a ******* lot
i get through both my hives, then end up driving to supply depo also
heres a idea, carry your own ******* hives |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
163
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:47:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Wtf do most assaults carry, anyway?
A big head. |
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO
LEGIONCOMBATCREW
100
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:52:00 -
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Give us more cpu and pg and a extra equipment then we might. |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
107
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:16:00 -
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as I heavy I may not be able to revive my logibros but I do give ISK commission. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
649
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:27:00 -
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The same reason they didn't kill the guy who killed you before you died? They're not perfect. Because they are running A) A personal nanohive due to lack of effective team support logis or B) Drop uplinks to farm WP and due to lack of effective team support logis
We are also still recovering from the period when nanite injectors were completely useless so an entire generation (month's worth) of players was trained to believe that they are worthless. But basically it comes down to the same reason your team's other logis aren't reviving you... there are other equipment slots that may be more valuable to that person.
A well placed drop uplink, for example, can net you upwards of 500 WP (more with squad orders) with minimal effort and allows you to control the flow of combat and shift the lines of friendly troops in certain situations.
To effectively revive takes more time per WP gained, puts yourself at increased risk while carrying out the revive, is ineffective if someone is destroyed explosively or bleeds out to respawn on someone elses uplink or is revived by a guy faster to the body than you, and does not help you if you die yourself (whereas an uplink can put the assault that placed it right back into the fight).
At this point I only run a needle+repair if I'm in a squad of corp/alliance mates and I know a couple other people at least have uplinks for us.
Also, no one cares how much your suit cost TBQH ... you could be in a 2mil ISK tank and most people would watch you burn while the full-health light suit with a forge launcher blows you up if it meant they could get a single additional kill by aiming at the near-death assault instead. If you can't afford to lose it, drop down a tier or two.
But yeah, as a logi who dies with 8x blueberries around me that subsequently clear the reds that kill me but no one can revive me... I understand the frustration. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
870
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:44:00 -
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some good points here.. but I don't care about logic and reasoning!
REVIVE ME!!!!
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TEBOW BAGGINS
Rebel Raiders Inc.
871
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:50:00 -
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i gave up on trying to rez ppl when the guy i rezzed stole my llav |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1846
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:51:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Take away assaults equipment slot, see how they feel about us then:D We'll then we will hang around the Supply Depots and leave you guy's out there in the rain. |
Defy Gravity
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:51:00 -
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Almost every Caldari logi iv'e seen plays as an assault. Iv'e given up on counting on blueberrys to pick me up so I work alone now. Dont expect me to revive you if I cant be revived by a proto Caldari logi that plays an assault role. I'm an amarr proto logi everything. Iv'e got core skills 5 in all important aspects and I help my squad when I need to. If you see me on your team don't expect a revive if im playing logi role if I cant get the support I need to win the match. |
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
870
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:53:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Robocop Junior wrote:Take away assaults equipment slot, see how they feel about us then:D We'll then we will hang around the Supply Depots and leave you guy's out there in the rain.
that's how alot of ambush used to be back in the day lol.. who could hold down the supply depot the longest |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1190
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:01:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle I'll give it a shot. Actually my old squad leader use to make me run Nanite Injectors incase to two in squad Logi's went down and we had to Rez them. |
RedZer0 MK1
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
26
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:37:00 -
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It's funny that people run uplinks for points when repair tools will net you more over the course of a match. Yeah, it means you have to be more *gasp* observant, but if your going to farm, farm well. I digress, with the abundance of assault players running around more of then should run injectors. You wouldn't need ammo if your Logi was alive longer. Besides uplinks are inferior to maintaining clone count and position. Just don't use circle to revive, go to the menu and pick it, its faster. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2469
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:50:00 -
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Because people are ******* idiots and expect to be helped without helping in return.
King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! |
Medical Crash
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
71
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:50:00 -
[35] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle Oh lordy lawd, someone give this child tree fidy! |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:54:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle
You are right. Assaults SHOULD revive their logis taht provide them with AMmo , repairs and revives..
The problem is , most logis are actually assaults in disguise. Me for example , i have a Scout/assault with a needle. And i never revive someone that is NOT in my squad, or hasn't revived me before,(Yeah , i pay attention to this, i even send THANK YOU messages to players that revive me sometimes LOL) MUCH LESS Logis that see you twitching in the middle of the road and stomp your head. Then get killed and post stuff on the forums on why they dont get revive and how good they are at logi-ing No offense. maybe. |
Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:02:00 -
[37] - Quote
Lol, no one does their intended job as far as I'm concerned... THEY NEED HEAVY LOGIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. with like 5 equipment slots, and 1 high 1 low and only sidearm.
Then I'd be the best around. |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
1349
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:04:00 -
[38] - Quote
I have a logi logi suit i follow logis and rep/revive them :) |
Bob Teller
Red Star. EoN.
59
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:51:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle Wen i solo in pub matches,i spam triangle as fast as i can wen i die so i dont get rambo rez. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
875
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:36:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle You are right. Assaults SHOULD revive their logis taht provide them with AMmo , repairs and revives.. The problem is , most logis are actually assaults in disguise. Me for example , i have a Scout/assault with a needle. And i never revive someone that is NOT in my squad, or hasn't revived me before,(Yeah , i pay attention to this, i even send THANK YOU messages to players that revive me sometimes LOL) MUCH LESS Logis that see you twitching in the middle of the road and stomp your head. Then get killed and post stuff on the forums on why they dont get revive and how good they are at logi-ing and how they are a true logi (yup ,EVERY player using a logi thinks hes a true logi) No offense. maybe.
I'm a Gallente Logi , the only true logi! :p |
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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
257
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:08:00 -
[41] - Quote
DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Most of the people who revive and repair me are assaults. Most people in Logi suits don't repair or revive people outside of their squad and that is only if they play medic. Something like that. Although I've been revived a few times by unknown blue-dots.
Actually one assault buddy when he can uses a needle. Hurts all the more when I can't pick him back up in my fatty suit. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
328
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:06:00 -
[42] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle
Proto Caldari Assault:
- Missing One high slot - Missing One Equipment Slot - Not enough CPU and PG
The Caldari Assault now is as good as the old Assault B-series.
Why do most Caldari Assault users run Proto? - The advanced tier is just not what it used to be.
But here in the forums all i hear is AR OP this AR OP that. QQ about LAV, LogiAR and so on...
I've been a Caldari AR suit user since the beginning. How many AR QQ do i see here?
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Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
115
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:16:00 -
[43] - Quote
I guess I'm the odd one and rep the Logi that happens to be repping me.
Go figure, I'm odd |
Cobra CLUTCH79
OVERLORDS OF THE ONI SERPENT
29
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:17:00 -
[44] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle Get with an organized squad and run with them as frequent as possible making sure of course everybody knows their roles, that would be your best bet. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
875
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:41:00 -
[45] - Quote
NAV HIV wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle Proto Caldari Assault: - Missing One high slot - Missing One Equipment Slot - Not enough CPU and PG The Caldari Assault now is as good as the old Assault B-series. Why do most Caldari Assault users run Proto? - The advanced tier is just not what it used to be. But here in the forums all i hear is AR OP this AR OP that. QQ about LAV, LogiAR and so on... I've been a Caldari AR suit user since the beginning. How many AR QQ do i see here?
...ok... |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
875
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:48:00 -
[46] - Quote
Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle Get with an organized squad and run with them as frequent as possible making sure of course everybody knows their roles, that would be your best bet.
yeh this will help alot in keeping your ass alive that's for sure. There used to be a time when a lot of assaults would carry around injectors, me included when I used to play caldari assault when caldari assault was only assault. It actually helped alot and made ambushes turn into some fun games ( as long as the revive didn't kill both people ) what the french used to have a few squads that were near impossible to keep down due to them carrying injectors. I think at one point there used to be way more teamplay in the pubs, now it's just .. I don't know.
Could be because we didn't have corp battles yet ( damn , wait they took them from us!! aghghhh) and we didn't have PC. so people put more oganization into their fights I guess.
Now it seems like ambush is more about just get it done and over fast, collect cash, rinse and repeat.. no care really of what direction the battle goes :\
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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:09:00 -
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Theres a few factors i can think of;
CCP nerfed the basic and Militia hives to replen less and slower.
Not enough people have specced into Adv hives (Apart from logis) And for good reason, if i was assault adv hives would be the last thing on the list to train.
Scout/Assault suits lost the second equipment slot, less equipment slots = less equipment on the field.
Conclusion; This means there is not enough ammo on the battlefield anymore, thus no one apart from Logis will run an injector, even they have the option of fitting and uplink and repair tool which could be considered a better use of an equipment slot.
How to improve the situation?
Easy fixes. Increase the amount of ammo in the hives, so we dont have to drop one every 10 seconds. But keep the rate of replenishement the same. Increase the max amount of hives carried by 1 upto adv. (So 2xMLT, 3xBasic, 3xAdvanced) Logis use better hives.
More complicated fix but will require a balance pass; Give the Assault/Scout Suits there second equipment slot back.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
875
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:14:00 -
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Guinevere Bravo wrote:Theres a few factors i can think of;
CCP nerfed the basic and Militia hives to replen less and slower.
Not enough people have specced into Adv hives (Apart from logis) And for good reason, if i was assault adv hives would be the last thing on the list to train.
Scout/Assault suits lost the second equipment slot, less equipment slots = less equipment on the field.
Conclusion; This means there is not enough ammo on the battlefield anymore, thus no one apart from Logis will run an injector, even they have the option of fitting and uplink and repair tool which could be considered a better use of an equipment slot.
How to improve the situation?
Easy fixes. Increase the amount of ammo in the hives, so we dont have to drop one every 10 seconds. But keep the rate of replenishement the same. Increase the max amount of hives carried by 1 upto adv. (So 2xMLT, 3xBasic, 3xAdvanced) Logis use better hives.
More complicated fix but will require a balance pass; Give the Assault/Scout Suits there second equipment slot back.
I really like your hive idea |
KaTaLy5t-87
Shadow Company HQ
97
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:52:00 -
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I an assault and I always carry an injector on my suits, always have, always will. The only time I won't be carrying an injector is when I have to switch to my AV suit or when I swap to my sniper suit because I have hives fitted on those suits, other than that every other suit I have has an injector. I like being able to revive team and squad mates, having more guys fighting beside me helps me be more effective so I'll always revive someone provided it is safe to do so. The only time I won't revive someone is when there are still enemies nearby because: A) I don't wana pick someone up to have them die again before they are even off theground. B) I don't wana die trying to pick someone up in the middle of a firefight and C) I hate getting rambo revived and then gunned down so instead of only "dying" once you have now died twice in the one go (which I think needs to be looked at BTW)
I do agree that there is now a shortage of ammo on the field since they removed loads of the supply depots though and this is probably a reason why not many people are carrying injectors.
I've also found that it is much easier to be killed while you are bleeding out now. If you go down in the middle of a firefight you willuusually get shot again while you're bleeding out which then kills you obviously. I'm not sure if this problem is related to the hitbox or whether it is related to the fact that people now often bleed out while they are still standing in the exact position they were shot in. I'm assuming that the last issue is an unexpected error from one of the updates but I haven't seen anything from CCP about it. I would like to name it "The Rigor Mortise Glitch" because it is like someone goes stiff the instant they die and remain standing until their body disappears. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:11:00 -
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KaTaLy5t-87 wrote:I an assault and I always carry an injector on my suits, always have, always will. The only time I won't be carrying an injector is when I have to switch to my AV suit or when I swap to my sniper suit because I have hives fitted on those suits, other than that every other suit I have has an injector. I like being able to revive team and squad mates, having more guys fighting beside me helps me be more effective so I'll always revive someone provided it is safe to do so. The only time I won't revive someone is when there are still enemies nearby because: A) I don't wana pick someone up to have them die again before they are even off theground. B) I don't wana die trying to pick someone up in the middle of a firefight and C) I hate getting rambo revived and then gunned down so instead of only "dying" once you have now died twice in the one go (which I think needs to be looked at BTW)
I do agree that there is now a shortage of ammo on the field since they removed loads of the supply depots though and this is probably a reason why not many people are carrying injectors.
I've also found that it is much easier to be killed while you are bleeding out now. If you go down in the middle of a firefight you willuusually get shot again while you're bleeding out which then kills you obviously. I'm not sure if this problem is related to the hitbox or whether it is related to the fact that people now often bleed out while they are still standing in the exact position they were shot in. I'm assuming that the last issue is an unexpected error from one of the updates but I haven't seen anything from CCP about it. I would like to name it "The Rigor Mortise Glitch" because it is like someone goes stiff the instant they die and remain standing until their body disappears.
Lol, Rigor Mortise glitch , nice!
I havn't seen any mention from ccp about that either. Damn does it look wierd soemtimes, and I don't know how many dead snipers I have shot at either.. still sitting there in crouch looking down their sights dead as fk.
Tank drivers and gunners look pretty funny too when the tanks go boom.
Some of them positions make it hard to revive, and it just looks frikin weird, I hope it one day goes away |
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Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:24:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Lol, Rigor Mortise glitch , nice!
I havn't seen any mention from ccp about that either. Damn does it look wierd soemtimes, and I don't know how many dead snipers I have shot at either.. still sitting there in crouch looking down their sights dead as fk.
Tank drivers and gunners look pretty funny too when the tanks go boom.
Some of them positions make it hard to revive, and it just looks frikin weird, I hope it one day goes away
I guess you never shot down a dropship before and see half a dozen people floating in mid air. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
879
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:08:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Lol, Rigor Mortise glitch , nice!
I havn't seen any mention from ccp about that either. Damn does it look wierd soemtimes, and I don't know how many dead snipers I have shot at either.. still sitting there in crouch looking down their sights dead as fk.
Tank drivers and gunners look pretty funny too when the tanks go boom.
Some of them positions make it hard to revive, and it just looks frikin weird, I hope it one day goes away I guess you never shot down a dropship before and see half a dozen people floating in mid air.
haha no not that I have noticed, I have shot down lots of DS though.. but usually they crash down somewhere and then blow up out of my line of sight.. so i'm missing out I guess |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:17:00 -
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Assaults I've seen tend to carry nanohives exclusively but complain when logis don't. Go figure... |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
73
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:23:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Revive their logis?
Looking at the cost of my proto gal logi suit with proto equipment, it is pretty damn expensive.. Plenty of people come on here complaining that logis don't logi. Well I am a logi that tries to logi , and I ask of you , why do you not have my back and revive me if I go down while keeping you alive?
Assaults should carry around an injector more often again as they used to. Logis can carry an array of equipment to take care of your ammunition and repair needs. But if they go down , they are completely useless and can not repair you nor supply ammo or provide cover fire while you refuel ammo.
So why do no assaults have their logibros backs as we are required to have yours?
It's gets to be an expensive war out there
and don't say ****** revive mechanics, learn to pull out your injector beforehand and not stand on body mashing circle
I use my equipment slot for armor rep nano since there are no logis to rep me . I used to revive before but then I decided I that the logi can be an assault but not the other way around |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:41:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:gbh08 wrote:Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ammo.....
Yet you don't throw it down anyway. I'm running around with just an SMG, trying to find a supply depot, while no assaults respond to my gestures for ammo. LoL you guys presume a ******* lot i get through both my hives, then end up driving to supply depo also heres a idea, carry your own ******* hives I run out.
And why is it that you idiots only throw down hives right next to supply depots? Destroys the point of it. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
323
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:43:00 -
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I HATE assault players. they are the cancer of this game. I only revive heavies, scouts, basic suits, and of course other logis. anything with the word assault or rush in its name can burn in hell |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
887
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:44:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:gbh08 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:gbh08 wrote:Assault suit only has one equip slot, thats for ammo.....
Yet you don't throw it down anyway. I'm running around with just an SMG, trying to find a supply depot, while no assaults respond to my gestures for ammo. LoL you guys presume a ******* lot i get through both my hives, then end up driving to supply depo also heres a idea, carry your own ******* hives I run out. And why is it that you idiots only throw down hives right next to supply depots? Destroys the point of it.
I have had to do this a couple times because currently there is a bug or something that won't let you fill any of your ammo at the supply depot. sometimes running away from it 30m or so and going back works, other times it's a ***** or you just don't have the time so you toss your last hive at your feet by the supply depot.
It doesn't happen to me often, but it has.. |
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