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dullrust
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
12
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:47:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:True Adamance wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:I use the Amarr logi as an assault logi, as is it's intended purpose... Is that a problem? Hmmm that's a toughie since they were designed to use Side arms and... well they are amarrian... My anger is somewhat mitigated by my meeting a lovely logi who I saw on many occasions do his duty. This Logi was a true logi, not one of those assault bastards. Salute to the true Logi! In my eyes, Logi and Medic are not equal. The "Logistics" role focus on being a force multiplier on different parts of the battlefield. Maybe you lay proxy mines and REs to protect a letter. Maybe you reinforce the front line with nanohives and repair tools. Maybe you shape the flow of the battlefield with preemptive Uplinks. All of those 'builds' fall under the logistics description, and none of them require the player to abandon all of their gear to do it. If anything, it might require very high powered gear to set up your proxy mines. The "Medic" role can be filled by anyone with a Nanite injector, Rep tool, or Triage nanohives. It just so happens that the "Medic" is a role that is shared by all suits (excluding heavies) and is another build under the logistic umbrella. But you shouldn't expect a logi player to use their suit in a particular way any more than I should expect you to run an nanite injector on your assault build or a rep tool on your scout. TL:DR: Logistics is the Umbrella that the "Medic" role falls under. But anyone can be a medic. If you wanna see more of them, just do it.
^ yep that sums it up. I do better with an assault suit to pick you up. Generally faster, more HP, and a side arm. Of course I've got a medic logi but i also have a rep assault and manifest also.
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dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
309
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Posted - 2013.08.12 03:51:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I'm assuming that calogis still has more cpu/pg than the Amarr one. Wrong. They never had more to start with, and now they have even less (20 at standard/28 ADV/40 Proto).
Misconceptions and misassumptions. Stay away. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster
103
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:07:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I'm assuming that calogis still has more cpu/pg than the Amarr one. Wrong. They never had more to start with, and now they have even less (20 at standard/28 ADV/40 Proto). Misconceptions and misassumptions. Stay away.
there was a time when Amarr logi was the worst of the lot and had lower pg than it's assault brother so I'd imagine calogi being better of but if I am mistaken I apologize.
ps. Calogis had this coming and in my opinion it was not too harsh. What we need now is equipment fitting bonuses to all of the logi suits while getting penalties from offensive modules such as damage modifiers and maybe even guns. |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
310
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:14:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:dustwaffle wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I'm assuming that calogis still has more cpu/pg than the Amarr one. Wrong. They never had more to start with, and now they have even less (20 at standard/28 ADV/40 Proto). Misconceptions and misassumptions. Stay away. there was a time when Amarr logi was the worst of the lot and had lower pg than it's assault brother so I'd imagine calogi being better of but if I am mistaken I apologize. ps. Calogis had this coming and in my opinion it was not too harsh. What we need now is equipment fitting bonuses to all of the logi suits while getting penalties from offensive modules such as damage modifiers and maybe even guns. Not you specifically, but a lot of people seemed to have this misconception and were going "HAHA now you have to live with less CPU like all us other logis", when in fact everyone had the same amount of CPU. Also, other misconceptions such as "You still have more slots" (Not really, Gal/Min trade either a high or low for extra equipment slot while amarr get a sidearm instead).
The bonuses getting changed is reasonable. The CPU nerf just means you have to upgrade the CPU mod from basic->enhanced since you would need it if you were running ADV equipment and above anyway.
Fitting penalties push a suit into a locked role too much. Not making use of bonuses is understandable and common place, but if a suit received penalties just for trying to be fit differently, it places way too many artificial restrictions on a suit's capabilities. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1037
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:28:00 -
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I don't always Logi
but when I do
you run the **** away from me. |
Sean Mcbride
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
18
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:48:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I don't always Logi
but when I do
you run the **** away from me.
This exactly like I said in another post I am running in a commando suit with a rep tool but seems every time I lock onto someone with the tool well they runn the frack off and guess what I loose lock and I either.....
1) Have to chase after you (which if you see the gold glow take a damn knee BEHIND COVER) ......To heal your Armour and more then likely die with you....and receive hate mail...
Most Logi's are running with a squad and have to keep the squad up when we do try and heal you and you run off guess what we have to take the heal from our squad mates.
I also play a full Heavy with HMG and understand what the Logi's job is and will always protect a logi over and assault as a heavy.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1170
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:50:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I don't always Logi
but when I do
you run the **** away from me. I don't run from you because you are a Logi, I run from you because you are in Synergy |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
94
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:58:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:True Adamance wrote:I get the whole Green comes first rule and that makes a lot of sense but when I see Logi's running around not.....well Logi-ing .... makes me wonder about that players capacity to understand the role on the battlefield they chose..... Maybe I am getting shot at, maybe I just died with you? I don't always logi, but most of the time I do. I can't believe some of the **** I hear from people sometimes, as if I'm their own personal revive servant. If you die, apparently it is your fault first not mine ( i can sustain you a bit from instant death, but you made the engagement) if I can I will revive you , or I will fall over dead beside you. or even begin shooting at the enemy trying to save my own ass as I retreat.. Don't start bitching in coms logi not doing his job , or where the fk you at with the injector , or why didn't you keep me alive and similar statements. If I got you , be happy I saved you isk.. If I couldn't... don't blame me as the reason your dead or continuing to bleed out. OP , this is not really all directed at you. Sorry if it seems so, been several logi hate posts lately giving us bad names. We do not make you immortal, CCP does that by allowing you to respawn. You aren't my revive servant but when a logi literally runs over my body while I spamming the call for help button I kind of hope they might stop from their oh so busy schedule of ....well not logi-ing.... to do some.... well Logi-ing...
Well you can not really say if its a logi running by maybe its just someone with the medic starterkit (there is a needle inside) or just an assault that wants to get 60 points from time to time. The symbol does not mark logis but it does mark anyone with a needle...
I run Logi 60 to 70% percent but I have also specialized fittings that can not revive or resuply. These fittings are there to provide tactical advantages by providing uplinks and remote explosives.
One thing that makes reviving a hard job is limbo dance bug the delay on the revive is horribly and I often need to push circle like crazy just to put my needle in a fallen comrade. I cant say how often the poor fellas dies because of this stupid bug.
So you can see there some reasons why some Logis may pass by instead of reviving you.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1170
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:02:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:True Adamance wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:True Adamance wrote:I get the whole Green comes first rule and that makes a lot of sense but when I see Logi's running around not.....well Logi-ing .... makes me wonder about that players capacity to understand the role on the battlefield they chose..... Maybe I am getting shot at, maybe I just died with you? I don't always logi, but most of the time I do. I can't believe some of the **** I hear from people sometimes, as if I'm their own personal revive servant. If you die, apparently it is your fault first not mine ( i can sustain you a bit from instant death, but you made the engagement) if I can I will revive you , or I will fall over dead beside you. or even begin shooting at the enemy trying to save my own ass as I retreat.. Don't start bitching in coms logi not doing his job , or where the fk you at with the injector , or why didn't you keep me alive and similar statements. If I got you , be happy I saved you isk.. If I couldn't... don't blame me as the reason your dead or continuing to bleed out. OP , this is not really all directed at you. Sorry if it seems so, been several logi hate posts lately giving us bad names. We do not make you immortal, CCP does that by allowing you to respawn. You aren't my revive servant but when a logi literally runs over my body while I spamming the call for help button I kind of hope they might stop from their oh so busy schedule of ....well not logi-ing.... to do some.... well Logi-ing... Well you can not really say if its a logi running by maybe its just someone with the medic starterkit (there is a needle inside) or just an assault that wants to get 60 points from time to time. The symbol does not mark logis but it does mark anyone with a needle... I run Logi 60 to 70% percent but I have also specialized fittings that can not revive or resuply. These fittings are there to provide tactical advantages by providing uplinks and remote explosives. One thing that makes reviving a hard job is limbo dance bug the delay on the revive is horribly and I often need to push circle like crazy just to put my needle in a fallen comrade. I cant say how often the poor fellas dies because of this stupid bug. So you can see there some reasons why some "Logis" may pass by instead of reviving you. I can tell.... you have this distinct property of being yellow. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
609
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:27:00 -
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Maybe some of us Minmatars don't like being treated like we're supposed to be your slaves.
Oh wait. |
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dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
319
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:28:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:One thing that makes reviving a hard job is limbo dance bug the delay on the revive is horribly and I often need to push circle like crazy just to put my needle in a fallen comrade. I cant say how often the poor fellas dies because of this stupid bug.
So you can see there some reasons why some "Logis" may pass by instead of reviving you. Actually, I haven't had too many problems sticking my needle into my mates since they fixed them.
HurHurHur pun intended. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1038
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:35:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I don't always Logi
but when I do
you run the **** away from me. I don't run from you because you are a Logi, I run from you because you are in Synergy lolz +1 |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1173
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:46:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Maybe some of us Minmatars don't like being treated like we're supposed to be your slaves.
Oh wait. But you are my slaves. Just accepted it and join the Empire |
Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
89
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:56:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:I am a logistics and I run around shooting up the place with my squad, or team but never solo. Now you might think this is the Logissault gameplay but its not, whats going to keep you alive longer me helping you kill the enemy or sticking needles and a repair tool up your ass? When you die I pick you up but if you died because 3 people rushed you or because you pulled yourself into a hive of enemeis, you damn well know that I wont waste my time. Also when your armor is down and your running back into battle I will not follow you with a repair tool because I will not let you pull me into your suicide attempt, if my repair tool is out or if you see my bright yellow paintjob and you need a repair just stop moving and shoot me or melee me. People get mad when a logi suit isnt swallowing a ton of bullets just to revive you, people dont realise we have very low HP and pulling out of a bad situation is practically impossible, also a good logi will value his life over yours, because a dead logi is a bad logi. That's true and that's what Shy used to tell me. Still a Logi without a team is essentially useless too.
no he is not, he can be a mad bomber or go the where there is a cluster of blues and start logiing, at least that is what I do. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
183
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Posted - 2013.08.12 10:03:00 -
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I just went 19/6, nearly 2900 WP. Killing, repping, uplinking and Nanoing. No squad.
I've asked people who I squad with what they would rather I carry, nanos or nanites?
Nanos.
Uplinks or Nanites?
Uplinks.
Most peeps don't worry about suit cost. Most situations are dangerous/silly to be nanite'd in.
I'm not a medic. I'm a pack horse with a shotgun, I carry the equipment you need and I kill the enemy while providing you that support. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
854
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Posted - 2013.08.12 11:45:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:One thing that makes reviving a hard job is limbo dance bug the delay on the revive is horribly and I often need to push circle like crazy just to put my needle in a fallen comrade. I cant say how often the poor fellas dies because of this stupid bug.
So you can see there some reasons why some "Logis" may pass by instead of reviving you. Actually, I haven't had too many problems sticking my needle into my mates since they fixed them. HurHurHur pun intended.
I never have any problems either... but that's because I refuse to use the auto needle.
I'm pretty handy with the equipment wheel, so I smoothly transition from weapon to needle, R1 flawless revive, quick transition to repair tool before merc is even on his feet, reps activated by time he is standing. Works awesome.
I think this delay only occurs with the auto revive using circle , I tried it once and felt .. I don't know.. not right |
Jakar Umbra
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
174
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Posted - 2013.08.12 11:50:00 -
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As a proud LogiBro I resent that.
The problem is that everyone else has this perfect timer where they decide to bleed the instant I'm stabbing them with my injector. Or they don't wait while I try to clear out whoever shot them. Or they sprint away while I try to rep them. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
184
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Posted - 2013.08.12 11:55:00 -
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Sometimes, I try to make a 'triage station'. I'l throw down a nano, have an uplink available close by and within good cover. If they need repping, they can come to the station and ammo-up/get healed. This doesn't work in every map well due to the lack of cover but it would be fun to somehow coordinate a mobile triage station with more logis. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
855
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Posted - 2013.08.12 11:59:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote:Sometimes, I try to make a 'triage station'. I'l throw down a nano, have an uplink available close by and within good cover. If they need repping, they can come to the station and ammo-up/get healed. This doesn't work in every map well due to the lack of cover but it would be fun to somehow coordinate a mobile triage station with more logis.
I have tried this a couple times, it usually ended in me and another guy atleast flying in the air dead from a couple locus nades |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
184
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Posted - 2013.08.12 12:02:00 -
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There are a few good spots that you can get away with this for a time but it's never a good idea to stay stationary for too long. |
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Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
855
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Posted - 2013.08.12 12:04:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote:There are a few good spots that you can get away with this for a time but it's never a good idea to stay stationary for too long.
yeh that was the case. with a couple logis and a few spots picked out though and moved around to each spot it might be fun and viable.. as long as we communicate with the team in knowing where they are.. but as usual we are wanted up thier ass not the other way around :\ |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
184
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Posted - 2013.08.12 12:06:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Zero Notion wrote:There are a few good spots that you can get away with this for a time but it's never a good idea to stay stationary for too long. yeh that was the case. with a couple logis and a few spots picked out though and moved around to each spot it might be fun and viable.. as long as we communicate with the team in knowing where they are.. but as usual we are wanted up thier ass not the other way around :\
Make them adapt. Use team channel. If they don't want it, that's their choice. Some might use it. Others won't. As long as it's potentially nearby and viable, it'll be useful. I found it to be most useful in domination. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
468
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Posted - 2013.08.12 13:33:00 -
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The only people I will take high risks for are in my corp. If you aren't willing to listen to me, or not die in idiotic ways, I will leave you there to die unless it is completely clear, or you are standing still for a rep (or just not sprinting). This is not out of any disrespect, but my suit costs a lot compared to comparable assault, and I won't waste my ISK helping people who can't learn to help themselves or stick with a group.
Logis are optimal when people are working together in a large group, otherwise the equipment is wasted. I guarantee you that if you run with a large group that includes a logi, you can get all the support you need. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
143
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:My steps I perform when I logi:
- If I see an enemy into armor I mass drive him
- Pick up dead greens
- Rep green Gallente/Ammar
- Rep blue Gallente/Ammar
- Pick up dead blues
- Rep green everything else
- Rep blue everything else
- Drop hives/uplinks
- Kill ****
I like this one as well especially the bits where you prioritise armour tankers. No reason to try mass drivering a Caldari when I'm hardly denting them.
All my suits are amour heavy, so I'm not discriminating
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Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
421
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:40:00 -
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How many people do you think went Caldari logi because they wanted to heal people? |
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