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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1151
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:30:00 -
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I get the whole Green comes first rule and that makes a lot of sense but when I see Logi's running around not.....well Logi-ing .... makes me wonder about that players capacity to understand the role on the battlefield they chose..... |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
483
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:31:00 -
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Logi Assault > Assault Assault |
Jade Hasegawa
Intrepidus XI EoN.
40
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:32:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I get the whole Green comes first rule and that makes a lot of sense but when I see Logi's running around not.....well Logi-ing .... makes me wonder about that players capacity to understand the role on the battlefield they chose..... The Logi bro's and Logi sisters that I play with know what to do lol, guess your getting stuck with the muppets |
Mad Mav
Brotherhood of the Commissioned
165
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:33:00 -
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Maybe they are running around trying to catch up to us.
Or like Ryno said Logi Assault |
StubbyDucky
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
348
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:34:00 -
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Because CCP made a broke game. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
837
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:37:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I get the whole Green comes first rule and that makes a lot of sense but when I see Logi's running around not.....well Logi-ing .... makes me wonder about that players capacity to understand the role on the battlefield they chose.....
Maybe I am getting shot at, maybe I just died with you?
I don't always logi, but most of the time I do. I can't believe some of the **** I hear from people sometimes, as if I'm their own personal revive servant. If you die, apparently it is your fault first not mine ( i can sustain you a bit from instant death, but you made the engagement) if I can I will revive you , or I will fall over dead beside you. or even begin shooting at the enemy trying to save my own ass as I retreat.. Don't start bitching in coms logi not doing his job , or where the fk you at with the injector , or why didn't you keep me alive and similar statements. If I got you , be happy I saved you isk.. If I couldn't... don't blame me as the reason your dead or continuing to bleed out.
OP , this is not really all directed at you. Sorry if it seems so, been several logi hate posts lately giving us bad names. We do not make you immortal, CCP does that by allowing you to respawn.
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A-NASTY INFECTION
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:37:00 -
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im full proto assault.
and also proto logi but when i use my logi suit i use wirikyomi needle ammo and lvl5 uplinks. now i pick people up yes alot but not where a red dot has him in his sights to fire upon again because i hate this and it would just aggrovate me. im also a killer tho. i see what you mean and i agree.
most logis just want to kill. but hey this is the game that was made for us. as a logi i learned to stay behind my frontline assault as well. to 1 kill the leftovers and 2 revive my squad members or blues. 3 to secure a spawn location where its safe from spawn campers and snipers. and to be honest ive pulled 32 and 0 kill games playing this role. a logi isnt a front line soldier and people dont realize this i love my assault suit but i think the role of a logi a real logi is the most powerful one. because it gives him more awareness of the field and makes you a ton of wp. besides your also showing others in the game that there are teamplayers in the game and not just hungry ass killers
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1151
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:58:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Logi Assault > Assault Assault That's not an excuse. That's just **** poor reasoning for exploiting game mechanics. Give Logi Suits medium slots and less high lows and they would do their damn jobs |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1151
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:02:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:True Adamance wrote:I get the whole Green comes first rule and that makes a lot of sense but when I see Logi's running around not.....well Logi-ing .... makes me wonder about that players capacity to understand the role on the battlefield they chose..... Maybe I am getting shot at, maybe I just died with you? I don't always logi, but most of the time I do. I can't believe some of the **** I hear from people sometimes, as if I'm their own personal revive servant. If you die, apparently it is your fault first not mine ( i can sustain you a bit from instant death, but you made the engagement) if I can I will revive you , or I will fall over dead beside you. or even begin shooting at the enemy trying to save my own ass as I retreat.. Don't start bitching in coms logi not doing his job , or where the fk you at with the injector , or why didn't you keep me alive and similar statements. If I got you , be happy I saved you isk.. If I couldn't... don't blame me as the reason your dead or continuing to bleed out. OP , this is not really all directed at you. Sorry if it seems so, been several logi hate posts lately giving us bad names. We do not make you immortal, CCP does that by allowing you to respawn.
You aren't my revive servant but when a logi literally runs over my body while I spamming the call for help button I kind of hope they might stop from their oh so busy schedule of ....well not logi-ing.... to do some.... well Logi-ing...
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
147
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:03:00 -
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If it makes you feel better, when I'm not being Rambo all by myself because my team is too afraid to push up, I run full support logistics. No, I don't use the MD on it. Scrambler pistol is all I need, for this role was meant for support. |
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Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
233
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Logi Assault > Assault Assault That's not an excuse. That's just **** poor reasoning for exploiting game mechanics. Give Logi Suits medium slots and less high lows and they would do their damn jobs
troll much?
you cannot believe your own words with your understanding of the game mechanics ... or can you and do you? :P
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1151
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:06:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:True Adamance wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Logi Assault > Assault Assault That's not an excuse. That's just **** poor reasoning for exploiting game mechanics. Give Logi Suits medium slots and less high lows and they would do their damn jobs troll much? you cannot believe your own words with your understanding of the game mechanics ... or can you and do you? :P
What Im saying is I just don't understand why you would spec into a suit type only to divert it so badly from its intended purpose... |
Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster
98
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:29:00 -
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I use the Amarr logi as an assault logi, as is it's intended purpose... Is that a problem? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1151
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:35:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:I use the Amarr logi as an assault logi, as is it's intended purpose... Is that a problem? Hmmm that's a toughie since they were designed to use Side arms and... well they are amarrian...
My anger is somewhat mitigated by my meeting a lovely logi who I saw on many occasions do his duty. This Logi was a true logi, not one of those assault bastards.
Salute to the true Logi! |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1027
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:37:00 -
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I am a logistics and I run around shooting up the place with my squad, or team but never solo. Now you might think this is the Logissault gameplay but its not, whats going to keep you alive longer me helping you kill the enemy or sticking needles it a repair tool up your ass? When you die I pick you up but if you died because 3 people rushed you or because you pulled yourself into a hive of enemeis, you damn well know that I wont waste my time. Also when your armor is down and your running back into battle I will not follow you with a repair tool because I will not let you pull me into your suicide attempt, if my repair tool is out or if you see my bright yellow paintjob and you need a repair just stop moving and shoot me or melee me. People get mad when a logi suit isnt swallowing a ton of bullets just to revive you, people dont realise we have very low HP and pulling out of a bad situation is practically impossible, also a good logi will value his life over yours, because a dead logi is a bad logi. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1151
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:39:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:I am a logistics and I run around shooting up the place with my squad, or team but never solo. Now you might think this is the Logissault gameplay but its not, whats going to keep you alive longer me helping you kill the enemy or sticking needles and a repair tool up your ass? When you die I pick you up but if you died because 3 people rushed you or because you pulled yourself into a hive of enemeis, you damn well know that I wont waste my time. Also when your armor is down and your running back into battle I will not follow you with a repair tool because I will not let you pull me into your suicide attempt, if my repair tool is out or if you see my bright yellow paintjob and you need a repair just stop moving and shoot me or melee me. People get mad when a logi suit isnt swallowing a ton of bullets just to revive you, people dont realise we have very low HP and pulling out of a bad situation is practically impossible, also a good logi will value his life over yours, because a dead logi is a bad logi. That's true and that's what Shy used to tell me. Still a Logi without a team is essentially useless too. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1027
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:41:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:I am a logistics and I run around shooting up the place with my squad, or team but never solo. Now you might think this is the Logissault gameplay but its not, whats going to keep you alive longer me helping you kill the enemy or sticking needles and a repair tool up your ass? When you die I pick you up but if you died because 3 people rushed you or because you pulled yourself into a hive of enemeis, you damn well know that I wont waste my time. Also when your armor is down and your running back into battle I will not follow you with a repair tool because I will not let you pull me into your suicide attempt, if my repair tool is out or if you see my bright yellow paintjob and you need a repair just stop moving and shoot me or melee me. People get mad when a logi suit isnt swallowing a ton of bullets just to revive you, people dont realise we have very low HP and pulling out of a bad situation is practically impossible, also a good logi will value his life over yours, because a dead logi is a bad logi. That's true and that's what Shy used to tell me. Still a Logi without a team is essentially useless too.
Definately, a Logi suit running like a solo assault is a bad player, and a bad logi.
Edit: The only time a solo Logi is good is if he is a uplink logi, that's one of my suit fittings I fill up all my slots with uplinks and go to toen. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1151
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:44:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:True Adamance wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:I am a logistics and I run around shooting up the place with my squad, or team but never solo. Now you might think this is the Logissault gameplay but its not, whats going to keep you alive longer me helping you kill the enemy or sticking needles and a repair tool up your ass? When you die I pick you up but if you died because 3 people rushed you or because you pulled yourself into a hive of enemeis, you damn well know that I wont waste my time. Also when your armor is down and your running back into battle I will not follow you with a repair tool because I will not let you pull me into your suicide attempt, if my repair tool is out or if you see my bright yellow paintjob and you need a repair just stop moving and shoot me or melee me. People get mad when a logi suit isnt swallowing a ton of bullets just to revive you, people dont realise we have very low HP and pulling out of a bad situation is practically impossible, also a good logi will value his life over yours, because a dead logi is a bad logi. That's true and that's what Shy used to tell me. Still a Logi without a team is essentially useless too. Definately, a Logi suit running like a solo assault is a bad player, and a bad logi. And you armour tank too. You are just too good to be true. |
Piercing Serenity
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
406
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:I use the Amarr logi as an assault logi, as is it's intended purpose... Is that a problem? Hmmm that's a toughie since they were designed to use Side arms and... well they are amarrian... My anger is somewhat mitigated by my meeting a lovely logi who I saw on many occasions do his duty. This Logi was a true logi, not one of those assault bastards. Salute to the true Logi!
In my eyes, Logi and Medic are not equal. The "Logistics" role focus on being a force multiplier on different parts of the battlefield. Maybe you lay proxy mines and REs to protect a letter. Maybe you reinforce the front line with nanohives and repair tools. Maybe you shape the flow of the battlefield with preemptive Uplinks. All of those 'builds' fall under the logistics description, and none of them require the player to abandon all of their gear to do it. If anything, it might require very high powered gear to set up your proxy mines.
The "Medic" role can be filled by anyone with a Nanite injector, Rep tool, or Triage nanohives. It just so happens that the "Medic" is a role that is shared by all suits (excluding heavies) and is another build under the logistic umbrella. But you shouldn't expect a logi player to use their suit in a particular way any more than I should expect you to run an nanite injector on your assault build or a rep tool on your scout.
TL:DR: Logistics is the Umbrella that the "Medic" role falls under. But anyone can be a medic. If you wanna see more of them, just do it. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1151
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:46:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:True Adamance wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:I use the Amarr logi as an assault logi, as is it's intended purpose... Is that a problem? Hmmm that's a toughie since they were designed to use Side arms and... well they are amarrian... My anger is somewhat mitigated by my meeting a lovely logi who I saw on many occasions do his duty. This Logi was a true logi, not one of those assault bastards. Salute to the true Logi! In my eyes, Logi and Medic are not equal. The "Logistics" role focus on being a force multiplier on different parts of the battlefield. Maybe you lay proxy mines and REs to protect a letter. Maybe you reinforce the front line with nanohives and repair tools. Maybe you shape the flow of the battlefield with preemptive Uplinks. All of those 'builds' fall under the logistics description, and none of them require the player to abandon all of their gear to do it. If anything, it might require very high powered gear to set up your proxy mines. The "Medic" role can be filled by anyone with a Nanite injector, Rep tool, or Triage nanohives. It just so happens that the "Medic" is a role that is shared by all suits (excluding heavies) and is another build under the logistic umbrella. But you shouldn't expect a logi player to use their suit in a particular way any more than I should expect you to run an nanite injector on your assault build or a rep tool on your scout. TL:DR: Logistics is the Umbrella that the "Medic" role falls under. But anyone can be a medic. If you wanna see more of them, just do it. Force Multiplier to be sure.
Can't really remember the last time a logi multiplied my force though? |
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DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1829
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:50:00 -
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Man, I haven't been picked up by a guy in a Logi suit in a while. I mostly get picked up by guys in Assault suits who have injectors. |
Piercing Serenity
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
406
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:51:00 -
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As of now, I think force multiplying is very "big picture". Individually, you might only feel like a logi is doing their job by repping a heavy. But if five of your blue dots spawn on a logi's uplink near an empty objective and take it, the force of of the team is projected over more of the battlefield. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
233
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:53:00 -
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I demand you all play according to how i view the game and its mechanics.
is all i have seen so far :P
Dedicated logi, with many many different fits for different occasions.
And i don't need a squad, to fulfil my Team Role.
Not colourblind of everything outside of teal, I rep and resupply and revive democratically. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
313
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:56:00 -
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Do we need a reason? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1151
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:57:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:I demand you all play according to how i view the game and its mechanics.
is all i have seen so far :P
Dedicated logi, with many many different fits for different occasions.
And i don't need a squad, to fulfil my Team Role.
Not colourblind of everything outside of teal, I rep and resupply and revive democratically. I'm and ******* I never denied that. Also screw that democracy that Gallentean talk and there is nothing I hate more than Gallenteans. |
Epicsting pro
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
121
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:12:00 -
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If they dead there no need to logi ;) jk I do both. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
234
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:16:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Billi Gene wrote:I demand you all play according to how i view the game and its mechanics.
is all i have seen so far :P
Dedicated logi, with many many different fits for different occasions.
And i don't need a squad, to fulfil my Team Role.
Not colourblind of everything outside of teal, I rep and resupply and revive democratically. I'm and ******* I never denied that. Also screw that democracy that Gallentean talk and there is nothing I hate more than Gallenteans.
your reasoned analysis based upon solid scientific principles, observable behavioral patterns and data collation trumps my need to role play ... you win you win. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
1855
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:19:00 -
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I find myself chasing hurt blue dots with my rep tool only for them to break contact as they turn a corner to rush a pile of reds.
Likewise I see flashing requests for a revive in the middle of a sea of red.
If you want medic support, think about it BEFORE you get yourself killed!
I've replaced the needle on my most active fit with uplinks because it wasn't seeing enough opportunity for use. Either fools would die in hot zones all alone or bleed out before I could arrive. |
Epicsting pro
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
121
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:24:00 -
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I can tank the shot while I pick you up but if you don't get out of the way your going down again, man I love having 469hp and heal at 20hp/sec that how you tank your logi suit. Also is it just me or should the logi also be av. |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
73
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:46:00 -
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Uplink's, Nano's and Prox mines are generally what I carry. If I run my proto suit I'll have the needle. But I view keeping you spawning safe with plenty of ammo and not worrying about LAV's as doing more than my fair share. |
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