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Dunk Mujunk
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.08.11 06:31:00 -
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So i'm about 10 days in now. Had my share of ups and downs. The downs have been extremely low. The ups have been not much higher than the downs. Trying to stay optimistic. If i'm having a bad run I get on the forums, catch my breath, clear my head, pick up some tips when possible and dive back in. I know it's not suppose to be easy, I don't want it to be easy. I just crested a minor dune that was Assault Rifle Operation level 5, and started climbing the next dune that is Assault Rifle Proficiency. I've kept my balls on the prize for most of my short Dust life span, but after a particularly bad night of play tonight, I've been having more and more trouble pushing a thought out of my head; What happens when I crest the next dune, and yet again all I can see for miles and miles is endless desert? I was feeling that I was finally starting to grasp what it took to be competitive and effective in Dust, but now I feel like i'm grasping at air, I feel like i'm regressing, I feel like i'm getting worse. I don't feel as though I've made bad decisions spec wise, though I am far from an expert on the topic. Got my Minmatar M-1 DS, as I said I have put quite a heap into the AR, and after seeing the jump in SP requirement from level 1 to level 2 of AR Proficiency, I have started working on some of the cheaper shield skills before dedicating myself to another massive SP investment. I currently sit at around 1.6 mil SP, I'm attempting to run a straight assault, and I realize that I need quite the bag of leveled tricks (nades, suit, shields, weapon, passives, mods) to really hold my ground as a "run into the middle of the sh!t and clean it up" assault type but with the shellackings I've been handed tonight, spirits are definitely low on the Mujunk family farm. My KDR is hovering at around 0.48 or so, and I know that KDR isn't everything (pretty damn important though) but it still sucks to see. I'm usually able to get a minimum of 400-500 WP, but this has come from such an eclectic group of sources (smattering of kills, usually a ton of assists, maybe a primary hack or two, hand full of secondary hacks and maybe a blaster or rail gun installation here and there) that I feel like i'm not really growing into my chosen role as I should, I feel more as though i'm scooping up garbage on the outskirts of the real battles. I would like to think it's not due mainly to mistakes on my part (but who knows). I'm aware of my surroundings, pick my spots and avoid fights when outclassed, keep an eye on the radar, check my 6 when I have a free moment, try and think team wise whether I have my mic active or not, and squad up when I can. When squaded up my stats look a bit better, but not much. I am more often than not the weakest link, and any stat improvement is most likely due both directly and indirectly to my squads ability as opposed to any actual skill on my part. Definitely not QQing, I am definitely not a savant when it comes to FPS games of any type, but I always did fancy myself to be at least a touch above the common rabble, though i'm starting to feel like I may have made a major miscalculation in regards to that opinion. Not really sure where I was taking this magical tale, but I guess if I had to sum it all up into a single question, Do Dust Vets say HTFU (never actually been told this personally) because they were once in my exact shoes, and their hearts and souls were smashed into oblivion, or because for most the game isn't really as difficult as I feel that it is? Was hoping I was on the verge of graduating to the next level of skill and ability, but i'm starting to feel like I may have to repeat the 1st grade. |
Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
200
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Posted - 2013.08.11 06:39:00 -
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Hello Dunk,
ProTip: You should get advanced dropsuit for more high slots, and complex shield extender modules. Specializing so far into a weapon right of the bat is not a good idea in this game. Defence is better than offence when learning the game. But it doesnt matter now, you just have to live with your choices. Atleast you have proto assault rifle, probably the best weapon in dust currently. |
Dunk Mujunk
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.08.11 07:10:00 -
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Thanks for the help Spectral. Yeah, I dumped so much into the AR cause I was chasing the passive benefits more so than the actual better weapons, and my survivability has definitely suffered. I will be taking your advice and focusing on my suit and shield levels for the next good while, the STD suit/shield fit i'm running right now is......lacking, to say the least lol. Again, Spectral, thank you for your input and advice. |
Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
201
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Posted - 2013.08.11 07:12:00 -
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Glad to help out.
It will only get better :) A M/1-Series medium suit gets 3 high slots. Having complex shield extenders in those slots gives you 247,5 more HP (compared to no extenders).
EDIT: Also GEK is a veeeeeeery good weapon if you do not want to use proto (with your SP spent on AR). |
Lazy Scumbag
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
17
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Posted - 2013.08.11 10:30:00 -
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No fit in this game will allow you to be in the middle of the action for very long without support. The cheap fits will teach you to be a more cautious player, and once you learn to survive in basic level equipment you will notice immediate improvements with each upgrade. For now, I wouldn't advise running the Duvolle, as your wallet will not allow it for long. Tactics are vital, and it sounds as if you understand chipping away at the enemy from the perimeter. Honestly, with the fits you are using, if an enemy sees you, you should be running. Too many protos running around for this game to be friendly for new mercs. That is why most end up sniping. Stay behind the enemy and try to get close enough for reliable headshots. As a minmatar assault, speed is your friend. Don't plant your feet without a good reason. Good luck. |
Miles O'Rourke
Beyond Gravity.OTF Only The Famous
5
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:19:00 -
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My advice to you Dunk would be to focus on the Core Upgrades, Engineering and Elecrtonics skills as well as the Armour Upgrade and Shield Upgrade skills before you do anything else; the former three will increase the PG and CPU of any Dropsuit you use, meaning you can fit more stuff to them, while the latter two will increase the Armour and Shields of the suits without even needing to fit any Armour Plates or Shield Extenders.
After that, I recommend Armour Repair Modules, so your Dropsuit armour can regenerate without you needing to change suits at a Supply Depot, as well as Handheld Weapon Upgrades so you can fits Damage Modifiers to the Dropsuit's High Slots.
For now, stick to a basic Assault Rifle or the Gek-38 at the highest and fit a Militia Light Damage Modifier if you have the PG and CPU for it. That 3% bonus will make a difference. |
Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
201
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Posted - 2013.08.11 15:04:00 -
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^^Agree that core skills are very much needed to make the Advanced suits more versatile. Level 3 in both is a good goal to set initially.
However, for a minmatar suit it is better to not spend too much SP into Armour Upgrade and Shield Upgrade since it is a low HP suit (without mods) compared to for example the Amarr medium suits. It is better to go Shield Upgrade 1 and then Shield Extension 5 IMO.
If you already have skills in Armour Upgrade and Shield Upgrade it is something that should be maxed in the long term. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
0
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Posted - 2013.08.11 15:19:00 -
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Dunk,
Good post that probably captures the new player experience very well. I had similar experiences but on the other Side of the coin. I didn't understand how the skill trees really worked or what the real advantages were (or weren't) so I spread my points too thin and got no real help from any of them.
I absolutely second the comment on maxing out your survivability passives and suit mechanics early based on hard lessons. I'm just now looking at putting sp into actual drop suits (2.6 mil sp in current character).
Luckily, I got link up with a good corps early and got som coaching on fits and skills. I actually rebuilt my character completed...scrapped the old one and I'm way better off. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
0
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Posted - 2013.08.11 15:25:00 -
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Dunk - ping me with a Dust message next time you are online and I'll intro you to some of corp members. Were looking for some guys just into the game and are looking to actively amp up their game. |
Dunk Mujunk
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:41:00 -
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Thanks for the help guys. I've found my enthusiasm to operate about the same as bonus SP. I've only got so much each week, and when it runs out things suck lol. But with a bit of grinding today I should reach Minmatar Assault DS level 2, setting myself up to hit level 3 by some point next weekend I would imagine, giving me the ADV Min Assault DS, and with the still relatively cheap SP costs for my shield upgrades, i'll boost my shield abilities and i'll be looking to have a breakout weekend (hopefully). Bit of a funny story, I was SOOO focused on trying to start upping my passive AR damage that it wasn't until I read Spectral Clones post that I realized I had gained access to Proto ARs. Doesn't change anything currently as my suits CPU/PG can't handle anything above STD, but it seems to be another good reason to focus on my ADV DS. I do have a fitting question. With the Minmatars small amount of low powered slots, what should my feelings be in regards to armor plating? I gained access to STD armor plating extremely early in an attempt to increase survivability. I had been thinking I would run an armor plate and whatever the mod is that increases sprint speed (to counter act the plates movement penalty) when I got my ADV suit. Im wondering though if the minimal protection of one plate is worth having to mod my sprint speed, or would I be using 2 high level mods and only be receiving average at best performance enhancement? Or should I not worry as much about speed and drop 2 armor plates in? I know the shield regulators are low power slot mods, but the delay on shield recharge hasn't really effected me one way or another. If I get into a fight I can't handle and i'm not killed immediately, i'm usually able to get away if I chose to run, and a few seconds extra for my shields to begin recharging doesn't seem to matter. Anyway, thanks again guys for the help, and Jaysyn thanks for the offer, i'll definitely be getting in touch with you next weekend, for the time being though I think i'm gonna do some solo grinding, get myself to the point where I can start seriously worrying about tactics and less about getting OHK every 45 seconds. |
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Megaman Trigger
Beyond Gravity.OTF Only The Famous
9
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Posted - 2013.08.11 20:37:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:I do have a fitting question. With the Minmatars small amount of low powered slots, what should my feelings be in regards to armor plating? I gained access to STD armor plating extremely early in an attempt to increase survivability. I had been thinking I would run an armor plate and whatever the mod is that increases sprint speed (to counter act the plates movement penalty) when I got my ADV suit. Im wondering though if the minimal protection of one plate is worth having to mod my sprint speed, or would I be using 2 high level mods and only be receiving average at best performance enhancement?
If you have access to Basic Armor Plates, then you also have access to Basic Ferroscale Plates; roughly half the armor of the normal plates with with no speed penalty. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
637
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Posted - 2013.08.11 20:48:00 -
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Yeah dude, don't get too frustrated. Lots to learn in the game and we all have bad nights/weeks. And if you do, don't worry about taking a week off. The beauty of this game is that your SP will accrue passively and you'll be able to advance even if you don't play all next week - especially at the early stages.
Others have said some of the below, but I will chime in just to emphasize:
- You seem to have a pretty good idea where you want to go (Shield tanked AR Minmatar Assault) so your short term goals should be:
1) Advanced Medium Frame... the 3high 2 low setup is going to be your bread and butter for a long time.
2) Complex Shield Extenders ... slapping 3x of these on your advanced suit is going to nearly double the HP you have relative to where you currently sit in an M-1 suit ... for a shield tanking suit, it cannot be overemphasized how important these modules are.
3) Armor Plates & Repair to I / Biotics III / Cardiac Regulator I-III... once you're fitting a Gek on an ADV suit with complex extenders, you're probably going to run out of fitting for militia gear and will want to run any 2 of: Basic Plate / Basic or Enhanced Cardiac Regulator / Basic Armor Rep... plate gives you more frontline tank, card reg gives you more endurance for flanking maneuvers, and the rep gives you faster bounceback. The speed mods play to your suit's strength as a flanker, while the plate/rep lets you compensate for weaknesses and sit on the frontline next to other racial suits that have higher base HP than you.
3) Armor upgrades & Shield Upgrades both to at least II or III ... You want to start building up those core skills to increase your HP... it seems like you're having issues with your "Sturdy as a wet paper bag" standard suit and this will help... they are also really cheap skills.
3) AR Proficiency III (since you are already so close... the 9% bonus to your AR damage will serve you well long-term. You have NOT gimped yourself by speccing into your weapon this early; it is a strength. But run a standard/exile or a Gek *NOT* a duvolle until you get into a proto suit with solid solid core skills; Duvolle is prohibitively expensive. SIDENOTE: Really recommend trying out the Glu-5 tactical assault rifle on the advanced suit when you get it. Semi-auto longer range and a no-sway scope lets you harass the crap out of people from a distance beyond normal AR range. Give it a shot for 10 suits or so and if you like it, you will end up loving it. If you don't, no harm done.
4) Advanced ASSAULT Suit ... this will get your ISK costs down since the suit is cheaper than the basic frame, and with the 15% bonus to shield recharge and to sidearm clip size (works wonders with an SMG) the strength of the Min Assault will start to manifest.
5 and on) From there, keep building your core. Get your core fitting/tanking/module skills all to IV or V. Get your chosen equipment (nanohives and uplinks probably) to at least II or III so you can use K-2 hives and stable uplinks. Get Grenadier to III because standard locus grenades suck and the upgrade to M1 is really nice (also for Packed AV and C-7 Flux). Get your sidearm into proficiency III so that even using a Toxin (or other sidearm) it hits harder.
... only then would I really recommend pushing to get your proto assault suit TBQH. Opinions vary, but I'd focus on your core and learning to play the pub match environment in advanced gear before you start really needing focus on making sure you are ISK positive when using proto gear. This plan is several months long so it's not set in stone, but it's a good place to start. Good luck! |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
637
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Posted - 2013.08.11 20:54:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:I do have a fitting question. With the Minmatars small amount of low powered slots, what should my feelings be in regards to armor plating? I gained access to STD armor plating extremely early in an attempt to increase survivability. I had been thinking I would run an armor plate and whatever the mod is that increases sprint speed (to counter act the plates movement penalty) when I got my ADV suit. Im wondering though if the minimal protection of one plate is worth having to mod my sprint speed, or would I be using 2 high level mods and only be receiving average at best performance enhancement? If you have access to Basic Armor Plates, then you also have access to Basic Ferroscale Plates; roughly half the armor of the normal plates with with no speed penalty. Also, your minmatar assault has the fastest base speed of any suit except lights/scouts. The 3% reduction to movement is relatively minor for the 65hp bonus (% to total EHP is probably something like 30%? You'd have to check your own numbers). I recommend the basic plate if you are planning to act on the front lines and the ferroscale Megaman mentioned for when you need to run between objectives or to initial objective or if you are playing more of a flanker role. Kin Cat vs. Armor Repair vs. Cardiac Regulator gets into subjective situational analysis... all of the above will work well depending on what you can actually fit on your suit and as long as you tailor your play style to utilize the strengths of the modules you are fitting. i.e. make sure you sprint away from combat early if you have a kincat+cardreg setup whereas you can maybe try to burn down your opponent if you run a plate+rep setup. Lots of options. The 1hp/sec base repair built into the suit is awesome, but honestly helps you more between the end of one engagement and the start of the next and does not rep fast enough to make a huge difference in the middle of a firefight which is why I like a rep if I want to run as a 'frontline' guy. |
Lazy Scumbag
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
18
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Posted - 2013.08.12 11:11:00 -
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[quote=Jaysyn Larrisen]Dunk - ping me with a Dust message next time you are online and I'll intro you to some of corp members. Were looking for some guys just into the game and are looking to actively amp up their game. It's good that a good corp is watching after the squishies. The "First steps" mail everyone gets should maybe suggest a recruitment channel or something. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
524
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:31:00 -
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Stick it out Dunk!! Feel free to add me as a contact! I would be more than happy to run in a squad with you and I got some guys that wouldn't mind it either. In fact, I can just play guardian angel for you and following you around with a repair tool on standby.
Trust me, I know, its rough in the beginning. A jagged lil pill. But once the ball gets rolling, you will definitely (at least hopefully) find new life in this game |
Valerie Viever
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:07:00 -
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Dunk,
I know exactly how you feel, but really you shouldn't fret. I am a new-comer to the FPS genre and for a long time, I really struggled in matches. My initial KDR was 0.46, and I had some bad nights. I messed up my SP bad by speccing into a zillion diff weapons and even later felt like i took a wrong turn in the weapon I settled on. The turning point for me came when I realized that running and gunning is great, but at low SP, it's really best to be HIGHLY selective about who and when you engage. It will change your whole game. Now I've steadily climbed to 0.72 kdr, and I've seen my gameplay improve too.
Hit me up in game sometime, and we'll sqd up and talk! |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
810
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:18:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:So i'm about 10 days in now. Had my share of ups and downs. The downs have been extremely low. The ups have been not much higher than the downs. Trying to stay optimistic. If i'm having a bad run I get on the forums, catch my breath, clear my head, pick up some tips when possible and dive back in. I know it's not suppose to be easy, I don't want it to be easy. I just crested a minor dune that was Assault Rifle Operation level 5, and started climbing the next dune that is Assault Rifle Proficiency. I've kept my balls on the prize for most of my short Dust life span, but after a particularly bad night of play tonight, I've been having more and more trouble pushing a thought out of my head; What happens when I crest the next dune, and yet again all I can see for miles and miles is endless desert? I was feeling that I was finally starting to grasp what it took to be competitive and effective in Dust, but now I feel like i'm grasping at air, I feel like i'm regressing, I feel like i'm getting worse. I don't feel as though I've made bad decisions spec wise, though I am far from an expert on the topic. Got my Minmatar M-1 DS, as I said I have put quite a heap into the AR, and after seeing the jump in SP requirement from level 1 to level 2 of AR Proficiency, I have started working on some of the cheaper shield skills before dedicating myself to another massive SP investment. I currently sit at around 1.6 mil SP, I'm attempting to run a straight assault, and I realize that I need quite the bag of leveled tricks (nades, suit, shields, weapon, passives, mods) to really hold my ground as a "run into the middle of the sh!t and clean it up" assault type but with the shellackings I've been handed tonight, spirits are definitely low on the Mujunk family farm. My KDR is hovering at around 0.48 or so, and I know that KDR isn't everything (pretty damn important though) but it still sucks to see. I'm usually able to get a minimum of 400-500 WP, but this has come from such an eclectic group of sources (smattering of kills, usually a ton of assists, maybe a primary hack or two, hand full of secondary hacks and maybe a blaster or rail gun installation here and there) that I feel like i'm not really growing into my chosen role as I should, I feel more as though i'm scooping up garbage on the outskirts of the real battles. I would like to think it's not due mainly to mistakes on my part (but who knows). I'm aware of my surroundings, pick my spots and avoid fights when outclassed, keep an eye on the radar, check my 6 when I have a free moment, try and think team wise whether I have my mic active or not, and squad up when I can. When squaded up my stats look a bit better, but not much. I am more often than not the weakest link, and any stat improvement is most likely due both directly and indirectly to my squads ability as opposed to any actual skill on my part. Definitely not QQing, I am definitely not a savant when it comes to FPS games of any type, but I always did fancy myself to be at least a touch above the common rabble, though i'm starting to feel like I may have made a major miscalculation in regards to that opinion. Not really sure where I was taking this magical tale, but I guess if I had to sum it all up into a single question, Do Dust Vets say HTFU (never actually been told this personally) because they were once in my exact shoes, and their hearts and souls were smashed into oblivion, or because for most the game isn't really as difficult as I feel that it is? Was hoping I was on the verge of graduating to the next level of skill and ability, but i'm starting to feel like I may have to repeat the 1st grade. I want to read this. I really do. But there are no landmarks for my eyes to help me keep track of where I am as I read. It would require intense concentration to get through it without losing my place and this would cause severe eye strain which would probably give me a severe head ache. Did you consider this when you wrote it? |
Dunk Mujunk
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:52:00 -
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Reading and focus are a chore for some. You don't have to read it if you don't want to. I apologize for any damage to your eye sight that may have resulted, and if you are looking for an easy read may I suggest one of the 2-4 sentence weapon nerf posts that seem to spawn every few minutes on the forums. Spelling, grammar, and the general intelligence level of those posts can be hit or miss, but may be more your speed. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
137
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:01:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Reading and focus are a chore for some. You don't have to read it if you don't want to. I apologize for any damage to your eye sight that may have resulted, and if you are looking for an easy read may I suggest one of the 2-4 sentence weapon nerf posts that seem to spawn every few minutes on the forums. Spelling, grammar, and the general intelligence level of those posts can be hit or miss, but may be more your speed.
I had trouble reading it too so it's not just him. Maybe format the paragraphs better. I do believe you might want to seek Gaden's help though. He teaches a lot of people many different skills in Dust Uni and he could potentially help you get better and have more confidence in your skills on the battlefield.
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Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
811
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:10:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Reading and focus are a chore for some. You don't have to read it if you don't want to. I apologize for any damage to your eye sight that may have resulted, and if you are looking for an easy read may I suggest one of the 2-4 sentence weapon nerf posts that seem to spawn every few minutes on the forums. Spelling, grammar, and the general intelligence level of those posts can be hit or miss, but may be more your speed. Yes, but the Like and the amount of response suggest that it is worth reading, but I am just not up to it this morning.
I donGÇÖt suppose you could edit it and break it up into individual thoughts with spaces between? That would make it far easier to read for a Dyslexic like me. I feel the early effects of eye strain just reading normal posts today, and I fear if I try to tackle this, that would be the end of reading the forums for me until I have a chance to sleep it off.
It is not even a long post, compared to the books that I write on here. It is just that it is such a long paragraph without any spaces.
Maybe I will read it tomorrow when my eyes are fresh. |
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Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
811
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:13:00 -
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Oh, screw it! I am going to copy this into WordPerfect, pop an Ibuprofen, and see if I can straighten out the formatting. When that is done, maybe I will be able to address whatever issues you bring up in your post. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
137
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:13:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:Reading and focus are a chore for some. You don't have to read it if you don't want to. I apologize for any damage to your eye sight that may have resulted, and if you are looking for an easy read may I suggest one of the 2-4 sentence weapon nerf posts that seem to spawn every few minutes on the forums. Spelling, grammar, and the general intelligence level of those posts can be hit or miss, but may be more your speed. Yes, but the Like and the amount of response suggest that it is worth reading, but I am just not up to it this morning. I donGÇÖt suppose you could edit it and break it up into individual thoughts with spaces between? That would make it far easier to read for a Dyslexic like me. I feel the early effects of eye strain just reading normal posts today, and I fear if I try to tackle this, that would be the end of reading the forums for me until I have a chance to sleep it off. It is not even a long post, compared to the books that I write on here. It is just that it is such a long paragraph without any spaces. Maybe I will read it tomorrow when my eyes are fresh.
I got you man. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens League of Infamy
137
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:15:00 -
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So i'm about 10 days in now.
Had my share of ups and downs. The downs have been extremely low. The ups have been not much higher than the downs.
Trying to stay optimistic. If i'm having a bad run I get on the forums, catch my breath, clear my head, pick up some tips when possible and dive back in. I know it's not suppose to be easy, I don't want it to be easy.
I just crested a minor dune that was Assault Rifle Operation level 5, and started climbing the next dune that is Assault Rifle Proficiency. I've kept my balls on the prize for most of my short Dust life span, but after a particularly bad night of play tonight, I've been having more and more trouble pushing a thought out of my head; What happens when I crest the next dune, and yet again all I can see for miles and miles is endless desert?
I was feeling that I was finally starting to grasp what it took to be competitive and effective in Dust, but now I feel like i'm grasping at air, I feel like i'm regressing, I feel like i'm getting worse. I don't feel as though I've made bad decisions spec wise, though I am far from an expert on the topic.
Got my Minmatar M-1 DS, as I said I have put quite a heap into the AR, and after seeing the jump in SP requirement from level 1 to level 2 of AR Proficiency, I have started working on some of the cheaper shield skills before dedicating myself to another massive SP investment. I currently sit at around 1.6 mil SP, I'm attempting to run a straight assault, and I realize that I need quite the bag of leveled tricks (nades, suit, shields, weapon, passives, mods) to really hold my ground as a "run into the middle of the sh!t and clean it up" assault type but with the shellackings I've been handed tonight, spirits are definitely low on the Mujunk family farm.
My KDR is hovering at around 0.48 or so, and I know that KDR isn't everything (pretty damn important though) but it still sucks to see. I'm usually able to get a minimum of 400-500 WP, but this has come from such an eclectic group of sources (smattering of kills, usually a ton of assists, maybe a primary hack or two, hand full of secondary hacks and maybe a blaster or rail gun installation here and there) that I feel like i'm not really growing into my chosen role as I should, I feel more as though i'm scooping up garbage on the outskirts of the real battles.
I would like to think it's not due mainly to mistakes on my part (but who knows). I'm aware of my surroundings, pick my spots and avoid fights when outclassed, keep an eye on the radar, check my 6 when I have a free moment, try and think team wise whether I have my mic active or not, and squad up when I can. When squaded up my stats look a bit better, but not much. I am more often than not the weakest link, and any stat improvement is most likely due both directly and indirectly to my squads ability as opposed to any actual skill on my part.
Definitely not QQing, I am definitely not a savant when it comes to FPS games of any type, but I always did fancy myself to be at least a touch above the common rabble, though i'm starting to feel like I may have made a major miscalculation in regards to that opinion. Not really sure where I was taking this magical tale, but I guess if I had to sum it all up into a single question, Do Dust Vets say HTFU (never actually been told this personally) because they were once in my exact shoes, and their hearts and souls were smashed into oblivion, or because for most the game isn't really as difficult as I feel that it is? Was hoping I was on the verge of graduating to the next level of skill and ability, but i'm starting to feel like I may have to repeat the 1st grade.
Edit: Here ya go Fox Gaden, this may help. This was just a quick breakdown of what I thought were the main parts. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
811
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:30:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote: So i'm about 10 days in now. Had my share of ups and downs. The downs have been extremely low. The ups have been not much higher than the downs. Trying to stay optimistic. If i'm having a bad run I get on the forums, catch my breath, clear my head, pick up some tips when possible and dive back in.
I know it's not suppose to be easy, I don't want it to be easy. I just crested a minor dune that was Assault Rifle Operation level 5, and started climbing the next dune that is Assault Rifle Proficiency. I've kept my balls on the prize for most of my short Dust life span, but after a particularly bad night of play tonight, I've been having more and more trouble pushing a thought out of my head; What happens when I crest the next dune, and yet again all I can see for miles and miles is endless desert?
I was feeling that I was finally starting to grasp what it took to be competitive and effective in Dust, but now I feel like i'm grasping at air, I feel like i'm regressing, I feel like i'm getting worse. I don't feel as though I've made bad decisions spec wise, though I am far from an expert on the topic.
Got my Minmatar M-1 DS, as I said I have put quite a heap into the AR, and after seeing the jump in SP requirement from level 1 to level 2 of AR Proficiency, I have started working on some of the cheaper shield skills before dedicating myself to another massive SP investment. I currently sit at around 1.6 mil SP.
I'm attempting to run a straight assault, and I realize that I need quite the bag of leveled tricks (nades, suit, shields, weapon, passives, mods) to really hold my ground as a "run into the middle of the sh!t and clean it up" assault type but with the shellackings I've been handed tonight, spirits are definitely low on the Mujunk family farm. My KDR is hovering at around 0.48 or so, and I know that KDR isn't everything (pretty damn important though) but it still sucks to see.
I'm usually able to get a minimum of 400-500 WP, but this has come from such an eclectic group of sources (smattering of kills, usually a ton of assists, maybe a primary hack or two, hand full of secondary hacks and maybe a blaster or rail gun installation here and there) that I feel like i'm not really growing into my chosen role as I should, I feel more as though i'm scooping up garbage on the outskirts of the real battles. I would like to think it's not due mainly to mistakes on my part (but who knows). I'm aware of my surroundings, pick my spots and avoid fights when outclassed, keep an eye on the radar, check my 6 when I have a free moment, try and think team wise whether I have my mic active or not, and squad up when I can.
When squaded up my stats look a bit better, but not much. I am more often than not the weakest link, and any stat improvement is most likely due both directly and indirectly to my squads ability as opposed to any actual skill on my part. Definitely not QQing, I am definitely not a savant when it comes to FPS games of any type, but I always did fancy myself to be at least a touch above the common rabble, though i'm starting to feel like I may have made a major miscalculation in regards to that opinion. Not really sure where I was taking this magical tale, but I guess if I had to sum it all up into a single question, Do Dust Vets say HTFU (never actually been told this personally) because they were once in my exact shoes, and their hearts and souls were smashed into oblivion, or because for most the game isn't really as difficult as I feel that it is?
Was hoping I was on the verge of graduating to the next level of skill and ability, but i'm starting to feel like I may have to repeat the 1st grade.
A good read. How can such a compelling and articulate writer not have learned to use paragraphs?
It is going to take me a bit to formulate a response to the questions you have asked. I have to head out for lunch now, but will try to post a some helpful advice when I get back. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.13 17:41:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk, here is my feedback and advice to you:
- I have over 10 million skill points and I still only have Proviciency at 3 on my primary weapons. Your gun skills are good for now. You got a lot of core Dropsuit Upgrade skills to work on before you put more points into Weapons or Dropsuits.
- I often say that the Minmatar Assault suit is the toughest Scout suit around! That is a little tung in cheek, but what I mean by that is the Minmatar assault suit is really squishy compared to other Assault suits, but its greater speed makes it effective for someone who likes the Scout play style but wants more health than a Scout suit.
If you want to be full on ground pounding Frontline Assault you may want to switch to Caldari Assault. They have much more health and tend to have a much higher survival rate. (I play both suits types.)
- Max out both the base Shield skill (+5% shields per level) and the base Armour skill (+5% armour per level). This will make a big difference to your survivability. By the time you are working on levels 4 and 5 it will take some major skill point investments, so if you need to skill some base skills to fit the equipment you want, you should probably do that, but your goal is to get both the base Shield and Armour skills maxed. I noticed a big jump in my survivability when I got those skills levelled.
- Here is some perspective on Kill Death Ratio * For ever kill there is a death, but accidents donGÇÖt register as a kill, so the average KD is less than 1.
* The average Tank might have a KD of 10 to 20 and the average sniper might have a KD of 4 to 8. Someone has to die for each of those kills, so the average KD for Assault has to be well below 1.
* Your KD is actually better than mine. Although I play so many different roles and experiment with so many wacky ideas that my KD does not mean a whole lot.
* If it makes you feel any better I think something like 90% of Scouts have a lower KD than you do.
* Yes there are Assault players who have high KDR, but you have to be well above average as a player to go positive with Assault. (You need to be GodGÇÖs second cousin to go positive as a Scout.)
- 400 to 500 WP is not bad for a relatively new player.
- You KDR will be much higher when running with an organized squad that can communicate. And when I say organized I mean Assault/Logi/Heavies running together and covering each other, Scouts flanking, and Snipers covering from the hills and giving a running commentary on enemy troop movements. Having a bunch of green dots scattered randomly across the map is not the same thing. When running with a organized squad expect to get a tun of assists. Getting the actually kill is just luck of the draw.
- This week there is a double skill point event where you get double the skill points for each WP you earn. I suspect that a lot of people are bringing out the expensive gear and running matches at a financial lose to get the extra skill points. This means it is a bad week for new players as there will be more than the usual amount of Proto gear on the field.
- Finally, I suspect from reading this that you are a better player than you think you are. Try the Caldari Assault suit, and level some of those essential base skills. You will see improvements.
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Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:42:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Thanks for the help guys. I've found my enthusiasm to operate about the same as bonus SP. I've only got so much each week, and when it runs out things suck lol. But with a bit of grinding today I should reach Minmatar Assault DS level 2, setting myself up to hit level 3 by some point next weekend I would imagine, giving me the ADV Min Assault DS, and with the still relatively cheap SP costs for my shield upgrades, i'll boost my shield abilities and i'll be looking to have a breakout weekend (hopefully). Bit of a funny story, I was SOOO focused on trying to start upping my passive AR damage that it wasn't until I read Spectral Clones post that I realized I had gained access to Proto ARs. Doesn't change anything currently as my suits CPU/PG can't handle anything above STD, but it seems to be another good reason to focus on my ADV DS. I do have a fitting question. With the Minmatars small amount of low powered slots, what should my feelings be in regards to armor plating? I gained access to STD armor plating extremely early in an attempt to increase survivability. I had been thinking I would run an armor plate and whatever the mod is that increases sprint speed (to counter act the plates movement penalty) when I got my ADV suit. Im wondering though if the minimal protection of one plate is worth having to mod my sprint speed, or would I be using 2 high level mods and only be receiving average at best performance enhancement? Or should I not worry as much about speed and drop 2 armor plates in? I know the shield regulators are low power slot mods, but the delay on shield recharge hasn't really effected me one way or another. If I get into a fight I can't handle and i'm not killed immediately, i'm usually able to get away if I chose to run, and a few seconds extra for my shields to begin recharging doesn't seem to matter. Anyway, thanks again guys for the help, and Jaysyn thanks for the offer, i'll definitely be getting in touch with you next weekend, for the time being though I think i'm gonna do some solo grinding, get myself to the point where I can start seriously worrying about tactics and less about getting OHK every 45 seconds. - Putting Armour plate on a Minmata suit would be very unconventional.
- You will want to put an Armour Repair mod on just about any suit, unless you run with a logi bro all the time.
- The Green (stamina recovery) or the Red (speed) biotics are also good choices for low slots.
Suits: Caldari: Shield tanked and tough. Minmitar: Shield tanked, squishy, but fast. Gallenti: Armour tanked and tough, but slow. Amarr: Armour tanked. (Not as familiar with the Amarr suits) |
Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:53:00 -
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Depending on the role and tier, a min assault can get away with using a ferroscale or even basic plate instead of a rep (I agree with you generally) because of the suit's built in 1hp/sec armor repair. Really tough to squeeze anything else into the lows ... coming from a Cal Logi, Min Assault is a pain in the ass to fit properly lol. |
Fox Gaden
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:59:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Depending on the role and tier, a min assault can get away with using a ferroscale or even basic plate instead of a rep (I agree with you generally) because of the suit's built in 1hp/sec armor repair. Really tough to squeeze anything else into the lows ... coming from a Cal Logi, Min Assault is a pain in the ass to fit properly lol. I should look at the ferroscale more closely. You say it has a built in repper? That could be more effective than the Armour repper, since it is really only there to rep you between fights anyway, at least when used on a shield tanked suit. I should have paid more attention when that was released. |
Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.13 19:53:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:Depending on the role and tier, a min assault can get away with using a ferroscale or even basic plate instead of a rep (I agree with you generally) because of the suit's built in 1hp/sec armor repair. Really tough to squeeze anything else into the lows ... coming from a Cal Logi, Min Assault is a pain in the ass to fit properly lol. I should look at the ferroscale more closely. You say it has a built in repper? That could be more effective than the Armour repper, since it is really only there to rep you between fights anyway, at least when used on a shield tanked suit. I should have paid more attention when that was released. The Minmatar Assault suit itself has a built in 1hp/sec repair rate. Ferroscale are less HP but no movement penalty... reactive plates are the ones that add repair rate too, but I find them harder to fit. |
Dunk Mujunk
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.13 21:07:00 -
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I will say Fox that when I read your reply this morning (my brain wakes up a few hours after my body does), I did feel as though I was being attacked, a misunderstanding that completely falls upon my shoulders, and I do apologize. While I am fairly adept at putting my thoughts into words, this usually requires letting my thoughts flow straight onto the paper/keyboard, with concerns of proper paragraphing being less of a concern (to me at least, and I should probably avoid statements about things such as grammar in the future unless my posts are grade A Language Arts Honors material lol). To be honest I was expecting a thread war, which I did not want, when I got home from work, and I must say I am pleasantly surprised, and now moderately embarrassed. I do sincerely apologize, and I will use your example and edit my original post accordingly. I do appreciate the advice that you have posted on my particular DS and the direction I am heading with it, and I hope I didn't make myself out to be to much of a jack@ss. |
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