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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:32:00 -
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I consider skill to be ability gained through practice.
With this definition, MDs require far more skill to be effective than ARs. |
S Park Finner
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
205
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Posted - 2013.08.10 22:10:00 -
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Relative to FPS skill can be understood in relative terms...
Given the same tools to achieve an objective -- two players facing off in a battle with the same gear -- the capability of the player (their manual dexterity, their reflexes, their ability to judge the situation) decides the outcome. Skill is, in that limited sense, the ability of the player.
Now, lets consider the situation where both players have equal skill. If, in the same situation but with a different weapons, one weapon will regularly carry the day then that weapon takes less skill.
The argument is complicated because all weapons are not appropriate for all situations -- light machine guns are supposed to be more effective at close range than sniper rifles.
That leads to another level of player skill -- the more tactical skill that creates the situation where the weapon you have can be used to it's greatest effect. The player with the light machine gun that runs into the red line behind the sniper and shoots them in the head or the sniper that gets a clear line of sight to a spawn point out-of-range of most of the opponents weapons.
In similar ways single-player tactics build to multi-player tactics.
All of that is why skill is so hard to pin down -- people often mistake failure to be in the right place to use your weapon for the other guys weapon being no skill because they are easily killed by it. It _could_ be true but very often it isn't. |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
94
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Posted - 2013.08.10 22:40:00 -
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S Park Finner wrote:Relative to FPS skill can be understood in relative terms...
Given the same tools to achieve an objective -- two players facing off in a battle with the same gear -- the capability of the player (their manual dexterity, their reflexes, their ability to judge the situation) decides the outcome. Skill is, in that limited sense, the ability of the player.
Now, lets consider the situation where both players have equal skill. If, in the same situation but with a different weapons, one weapon will regularly carry the day then that weapon takes less skill.
The argument is complicated because all weapons are not appropriate for all situations -- light machine guns are supposed to be more effective at close range than sniper rifles.
That leads to another level of player skill -- the more tactical skill that creates the situation where the weapon you have can be used to it's greatest effect. The player with the light machine gun that runs into the red line behind the sniper and shoots them in the head or the sniper that gets a clear line of sight to a spawn point out-of-range of most of the opponents weapons.
In similar ways single-player tactics build to multi-player tactics.
All of that is why skill is so hard to pin down -- people often mistake failure to be in the right place to use your weapon for the other guys weapon being no skill because they are easily killed by it. It _could_ be true but very often it isn't.
^^This is very accurate. The only possible thing I could add would be that it is entirely possible that your chosen weapon is ineffective due to map design/objective placement. But that is no fault of the players, but of the designers. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
324
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Posted - 2013.08.10 22:50:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:Skill in a fps environment, is the ability to win a situation where you have the disadvantage. Be it outnumbered, or your weapon's disadvantages. Anytime you say, "Wow they should have killed me" but because they lack skill you come out victorious! How is that for an answer? i have plenty of these and it feels good, it also feels good to take out the trash with unorthodox methods. I'll run at you with my knifes, then get a grenade tossed at me at 1m, bravo sir. You know thats cheap and when they fix this s*** we'll se comes out on top! Meanwhile, enjoy, keep thinking you are good. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
494
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:17:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Someone, please, define skill for me. These forums have confused me.
"AR takes skill!" "It's a skill-less weapon"
"MD requires you to lead targets and find tactical positions" "MD doesn't require any skill because it's a splash weapon for scrubs"
Every gun has this argument about skill surrounding them, so I'm looking for someone to tell me what skill actually is.
the answer is 23 |
TEBOW BAGGINS
Rebel Raiders Inc.
870
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:24:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Someone, please, define skill for me. These forums have confused me.
"AR takes skill!" "It's a skill-less weapon"
"MD requires you to lead targets and find tactical positions" "MD doesn't require any skill because it's a splash weapon for scrubs"
Every gun has this argument about skill surrounding them, so I'm looking for someone to tell me what skill actually is. It's doing stuff that impresses normal people so this excludes gaming altogether. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
603
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:41:00 -
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Skill is indefinable in the context of Dust 514. |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
488
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:47:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Someone, please, define skill for me. These forums have confused me.
"AR takes skill!" "It's a skill-less weapon"
"MD requires you to lead targets and find tactical positions" "MD doesn't require any skill because it's a splash weapon for scrubs"
Every gun has this argument about skill surrounding them, so I'm looking for someone to tell me what skill actually is.
Using Forge gun and SMGs.
CQ situation inside an objective.
6 Reds
1 shot the first one with the FG. 3 consecutive head shot kills with my SMG. 2 Consecutive kills with Melee.
I dont know if this might count, but i did feel pretty skillful to be honest XD
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KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
488
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:48:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Someone, please, define skill for me. These forums have confused me.
"AR takes skill!" "It's a skill-less weapon"
"MD requires you to lead targets and find tactical positions" "MD doesn't require any skill because it's a splash weapon for scrubs"
Every gun has this argument about skill surrounding them, so I'm looking for someone to tell me what skill actually is. the answer is 23
42 n00b
The answer is always 42.... |
8213
Grade No.2
118
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:50:00 -
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I think people confuse skill with familiarity.
ARs are what all of have been using in FPS since Wolfenstein 3D. We are all familiar with the AR, so we say it doesn't take skill, because it has become 2nd nature.
Enter the Mass Driver (the Noob Tube) and it screwed up the familiarity. The skill that it takes to use the MD isn't actual skill, its just updating yourself on a new familiarity.
So, how can one take skill and not the other?
Its called First Person Shooter. The shooting part -the skill part- is able to survey a situation and shoot an opponent with success(they die, you don't). Now shooting is about accuracy. Missed shots do not lead to success(they die, you don't).
Here's the point: Having a weapon that expands the field of need accuracy eliminates the skill need for success(they die, you don't).
A bullet in DUST is 1cm in diameter (pretty big actually, but any smaller and players wouldn't be able to hit anything at all) A MD round is 4.4m across. That's 4400x larger than a bullet, and the MD round does more damage per round. Its time to kill is actually faster than the AR when used in a controlled setting.
Argue you all you want, but this discussion has been long settled a long time ago. Scrubs use an overabundance of explosive equipment. So, if you camp out over an objective and just spam MD rounds (because they have infinite range) you're a scrub. |
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KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
492
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:51:00 -
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All and all. I think that Skill is using the weapon you like and excelling with it , having a use for it in every situation.
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Extraneus Tenebrarum
THE BOSSES
24
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:31:00 -
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I think that the people who say that the weapon is OP because everybody uses it and this a lot because of that weapon its just that no mater how good or bad the weapon is if 5 people shoot at u with that same weapon at the same time u will die |
Cy Clone1
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
192
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Posted - 2013.08.11 04:05:00 -
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Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote:I think that the people who say that the weapon is OP because everybody uses it and this a lot because of that weapon its just that no mater how good or bad the weapon is if 5 people shoot at u with that same weapon at the same time u will die
by this logic then if everyone one started using the plasma cannon, it would become op. Ambush games would be won by timers running out, and tanks would be gods once again. So no weapon usage does not determine whether or not its op. |
Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
173
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Posted - 2013.08.11 05:10:00 -
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Skill: Stuff that you do in-game that racks up tons of WP.
Things that your enemies do that rack up WPs are called urgent nurf requests.
Munch |
Powerh8er
DIOS EX. Top Men.
41
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Posted - 2013.08.11 05:50:00 -
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Skill is when you shoot people in the face instead of their crotch. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
246
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Posted - 2013.08.11 06:04:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I know 1 thing that requires no skills... MD. And so the trolling begins I wonder how many of us were nodding with you at that moment?
Getting awfully sick of the antagonists in AR 514 crowd trying to force everyone to play the game exactly like they do. |
Brolaire of Asstoria
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2013.08.11 06:12:00 -
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Some guys you come up against are just beasts that you can't put down... Regardless of weapon choice a few people on here either have the reflexes of a cat or are part computer! That's where I'd apply the word skilled to any infantry players I've come up against |
Decasor
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
46
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Posted - 2013.08.11 06:17:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Someone, please, define skill for me.
Its something that applies to the real world, not computer games.
I groan internally when I see someone claiming 'internet skillz' in a forum somewhere |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
493
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Posted - 2013.08.11 06:20:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Someone, please, define skill for me. These forums have confused me.
"AR takes skill!" "It's a skill-less weapon"
"MD requires you to lead targets and find tactical positions" "MD doesn't require any skill because it's a splash weapon for scrubs"
Every gun has this argument about skill surrounding them, so I'm looking for someone to tell me what skill actually is. Skill is an illusion |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
322
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:20:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Someone, please, define skill for me. These forums have confused me.
"AR takes skill!" "It's a skill-less weapon"
"MD requires you to lead targets and find tactical positions" "MD doesn't require any skill because it's a splash weapon for scrubs"
Every gun has this argument about skill surrounding them, so I'm looking for someone to tell me what skill actually is. There is no such thing as skill in games. Each player has a unique way of taking on there enemies. Skill in games was created by whiny 12 year olds who wanted to feel like they are good at something. If you want to be good at something and have true *skill* get a job and master it. THAT IS TRUE SKILL! btw I dont have a job but i know that stuff takes time to master and i know if someone can master a job then they have some serious skill. Also isnt the word skill used as a term for describing someones trade? Please correct me if im wrong. |
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Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
110
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:32:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:i know that stuff takes time to master and i know if someone can master a job then they have some serious skill. Also isnt the word skill used as a term for describing someones trade? Please correct me if im wrong.
My business is killing and business is good.
Anyway, real skill is battle awareness which, at its core, comes down to knowing where the enemy is and knowing where 'reliable' friendlies are. (no point in asking noobs for help other than using them as meat shields).
If I wanted to play a game where I ran around killing everything with OHKO's all the time I would pick up my copy of COD again.
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
323
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:34:00 -
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Mamertine Son wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:i know that stuff takes time to master and i know if someone can master a job then they have some serious skill. Also isnt the word skill used as a term for describing someones trade? Please correct me if im wrong. My business is killing and business is good. Anyway, real skill is battle awareness which, at its core, comes down to knowing where the enemy is and knowing where 'reliable' friendlies are. (no point in asking noobs for help other than using them as meat shields). If I wanted to play a game where I ran around killing everything with 60 round assault rifles spraying all the time I would pick up my copy of COD again. fixed |
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