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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
2536
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:20:00 -
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Someone, please, define skill for me. These forums have confused me.
"AR takes skill!"
"It's a skill-less weapon"
"MD requires you to lead targets and find tactical positions"
"MD doesn't require any skill because it's a splash weapon for scrubs"
Every gun has this argument about skill surrounding them, so I'm looking for someone to tell me what skill actually is. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
3001
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:22:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Someone, please, define skill for me. These forums have confused me.
"AR takes skill!"
"It's a skill-less weapon"
"MD requires you to lead targets and find tactical positions"
"MD doesn't require any skill because it's a splash weapon for scrubs"
Every gun has this argument about skill surrounding them, so I'm looking for someone to tell me what skill actually is.
I mean, you knew when you posted this that it wasn't going to get anywhere, right?
The funny thing is that they more of a trash heap this thread turns into, the more it proves what the problem with "skill" is.
Nobody has the same definition. |
Criteria Shipment
Baynaer Space Command
The Ditanian Alliance
88
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:26:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Someone, please, define skill for me. These forums have confused me.
"AR takes skill!"
"It's a skill-less weapon"
"MD requires you to lead targets and find tactical positions"
"MD doesn't require any skill because it's a splash weapon for scrubs"
Every gun has this argument about skill surrounding them, so I'm looking for someone to tell me what skill actually is.
1.
the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well: Carpentry was one of his many skills.
2.
competent excellence in performance; expertness; dexterity: The dancers performed with skill.
3.
a craft, trade, or job requiring manual dexterity or special training in which a person has competence and experience: the skill of cabinetmaking.
4.
Obsolete . understanding; discernment.
5.
Obsolete . reason; cause.
It seems the forum posts only judges 4. and 5.  |
Mad Mav
Brotherhood of the Commissioned
140
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:27:00 -
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It's easier to say a weapon that has killed you X number of times is skill less than it is to find a counter to said weapon.
Also makes those who say the above feel better about themselves since in their eyes their weapon of choice requires skill.
Everything requires a certain amount of skill. |
Blazin Dank
420 Special Task Group
11
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:31:00 -
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The weapon takes skill when talking to someone who has learned to use it and is effective with it. Said weapon takes 0 skill when talking to those mad about being killed by it.
Just depends which side you are on. |
Cy Clone1
Ancient Exiles
Negative-Feedback
189
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:33:00 -
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the ability to complete an objective, while still maintaining minimal losses on your end. regardless of weapon choice |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
356
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:36:00 -
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It's easy.
#1. Aiming well
#2. Judging situation well and gtfo when things starting to get hot
#3. Knowing how to use movement and situational awareness to your advantage.
Half the ppl who complain about a weapon requiring no skill have no experience with the weapon. |
Severance Pay
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
871
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:38:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Someone, please, define skill for me. These forums have confused me.
"AR takes skill!"
"It's a skill-less weapon"
"MD requires you to lead targets and find tactical positions"
"MD doesn't require any skill because it's a splash weapon for scrubs"
Every gun has this argument about skill surrounding them, so I'm looking for someone to tell me what skill actually is.
Can't spell skill without kill |
BrownEye1129
SVER True Blood
32
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:43:00 -
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Skill in a fps environment, is the ability to win a situation where you have the disadvantage. Be it outnumbered, or your weapon's disadvantages. Anytime you say, "Wow they should have killed me" but because they lack skill you come out victorious! How is that for an answer? |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
3003
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:01:00 -
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Wow, this thread is actually going quite well!
Nice to see so many people posting with some sense on these forums. |
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BrownEye1129
SVER True Blood
33
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:08:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Wow, this thread is actually going quite well!
Nice to see so many people posting with some sense on these forums.
Give it time, they will come lol. Trolls are just late crawling from under the bridge today  |
Logi Stician
The Vanguardians
112
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:10:00 -
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A brand of power tools! |
emtbraincase
Falconpunch Hatesurfers
3
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:21:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:Skill in a fps environment, is the ability to win a situation where you have the disadvantage. Be it outnumbered, or your weapon's disadvantages. Anytime you say, "Wow they should have killed me" but because they lack skill you come out victorious! How is that for an answer?
This. liked.
I'd like to add that it would not be reflective of which weapon you are using. If you are MD, AR, or whatever, it is the ability to use that specific tool better than those you were competing against using their best tool (assuming they were, since intentional disadvantage is not something dust mercs can generally do). Whether a specific tool has advantages or disadvantages is not really a factor to me, it is just weather your skill with that particular tool is greater than the combined adv and dis of your opponent(s). You kill or escape, you had more skill at that time. You die or let someone get away, you had less skill at that time. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
418
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:48:00 -
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I know 1 thing that requires no skills... MD. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
383
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:50:00 -
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the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance
dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks
a learned power of doing something competently : a developed aptitude or ability
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skill
google is hard
/thread |
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion
24
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:53:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:I know 1 thing that requires no skills... MD.
And so the trolling begins |
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion
24
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:55:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks a learned power of doing something competently : a developed aptitude or ability http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skillgoogle is hard
dude, don't act all high and mighty when you google'd this yourself and 'copy paste' it here since you weren't sure what the definition is. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
418
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:01:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I know 1 thing that requires no skills... MD. And so the trolling begins
When you see a Cal logi using proto MD its OK. When you see whole squad of cal logi with proto MD then its a crutch weapon. When you see heavy (lmfao) using a MD, its the FoTM.
I'm mad because I armor tank and I get shet on by MD with their like half a screen AoE lol.
I will AFK farm a lot more until 1.4 with a hopefully HP buff to DS and 1.5 for vehicle balance. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
383
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:04:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks a learned power of doing something competently : a developed aptitude or ability http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skillgoogle is hard dude, don't act all high and mighty when you google'd this yourself and 'copy paste' it here since you weren't sure what the definition is.
just showing how easy it is to find for anyone and everyone who has questions as to what skill means.
even an idiot like me who hasnt put two thoughts together about it untill now can go look it up on google and now i am fairly certain i have quite an accurate grasp of the concept
your just mad that i killed your thread with the actual definition of skill thereby ruining any posability for debate :P |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
2544
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:13:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks a learned power of doing something competently : a developed aptitude or ability http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skillgoogle is hard dude, don't act all high and mighty when you google'd this yourself and 'copy paste' it here since you weren't sure what the definition is. just showing how easy it is to find for anyone and everyone who has questions as to what skill means. even an idiot like me who hasnt put two thoughts together about it untill now can go look it up on google and now i am fairly certain i have quite an accurate grasp of the concept your just mad that i killed your thread with the actual definition of skill thereby ruining any posability for debate :P
I don't want the dictionary definition. I want to know why this guy says x takes a ton of skill, while this guy says x is the current FotM.
What, in your mind, is skill? I can google words too, but I want your definition. |
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
3006
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:16:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks a learned power of doing something competently : a developed aptitude or ability http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skillgoogle is hard dude, don't act all high and mighty when you google'd this yourself and 'copy paste' it here since you weren't sure what the definition is. just showing how easy it is to find for anyone and everyone who has questions as to what skill means. even an idiot like me who hasnt put two thoughts together about it untill now can go look it up on google and now i am fairly certain i have quite an accurate grasp of the concept your just mad that i killed your thread with the actual definition of skill thereby ruining any posability for debate :P I don't want the dictionary definition. I want to know why this guy says x takes a ton of skill, while this guy says x is the current FotM. What, in your mind, is skill? I can google words too, but I want your definition.
I think we're seeing so far that no one is even going to bother, because most of the people in this thread are already on-board with your point. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
383
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:20:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks a learned power of doing something competently : a developed aptitude or ability http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skillgoogle is hard dude, don't act all high and mighty when you google'd this yourself and 'copy paste' it here since you weren't sure what the definition is. just showing how easy it is to find for anyone and everyone who has questions as to what skill means. even an idiot like me who hasnt put two thoughts together about it untill now can go look it up on google and now i am fairly certain i have quite an accurate grasp of the concept your just mad that i killed your thread with the actual definition of skill thereby ruining any posability for debate :P I don't want the dictionary definition. I want to know why this guy says x takes a ton of skill, while this guy says x is the current FotM. What, in your mind, is skill? I can google words too, but I want your definition.
that IS the ONLY definition.
thats all it means.
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Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
612
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:39:00 -
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When talking about the 'skill' of a weapon there are skill floors and skill ceilings. Ease of use versus maximum potential.
High floor are easy for any chump to use and get results. Splash so accuracy doesn't need to be as tight. Hitscan so leading is not required. Large magazines so you have leeway to miss and can correct your fire. Effectiveness across most engagement ranges. Weapons it's hard to perform terribly with.
Low floor, not so much. You'll be punished for your mistakes and making the weapon perform even half-decent requires some familiarity. Low magazine guns that don't allow for inaccuracy, slow projectile launchers and very niche weaponry can all possess a low floor. Tools which will do very little in the hands of an inept user.
So floor determines how easy a thing is to use on a basic level. Ceiling covers both it's maximum effectiveness when used perfectly and how difficult it is to reach that level of mastery or close to it.
A low floor low ceiling could be easy to use and relatively easy to master but lagging behind in raw effectiveness, doesn't have that edge.
Low floor high ceiling: easy to use but always room for improvement. The divide between an average user and a top-tier one could be massive. Highly effective on the field with a good user behind it.
High floor low ceiling: difficult to use, hellish to master, frankly not competitive even then.
High floor high ceiling: not a forgiving weapon but when used with reliable consistency is a force to be reckoned with. In the hands of a master it is a major force on the field. |
HARDFACTS DUSTTRUTH
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:13:00 -
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Skill Definition: Char Char and AppleJack! <3  |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
151
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:40:00 -
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Its like this: skill can be what ever anyone wants it to be.
But when you get alone with someone, and you both have ars, and the circling, dodging and weaving starts......skill is the guy walking away.
Ive dropped MANY guys who I know without question had skill.
And ive been dropped PLENTY of times where I had no choice but they had skill.
Skill is a player not a weapon.
Vehicles, forge guns, flaylocks and mass drivers are symptoms of players who lack skill.
Sooo many people brag about not using proto in pubs. Thats skill.
I personally will have played pubs without proto for 4 months so when I do go proto, tough ****.
Skill seeks nuetral territory, not the upper hand.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
847
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:09:00 -
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IN this particular game, skill equates to good aim coupled with good tactics. |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
612
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:10:00 -
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mollerz wrote:IN this particular game, skill equates to good aim coupled with good tactics.
And your ability to shovel SPs into Complex Extenders. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1024
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:18:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Someone, please, define skill for me. These forums have confused me.
"AR takes skill!"
"It's a skill-less weapon"
"MD requires you to lead targets and find tactical positions"
"MD doesn't require any skill because it's a splash weapon for scrubs"
Every gun has this argument about skill surrounding them, so I'm looking for someone to tell me what skill actually is.
Sadly, in this game skill is who is the better crab dancer in DDR 514, not who is the better shot. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2424
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:25:00 -
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Skill:-
I have it, you don't.
King of the Forums // Seraphim <3
Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here!
Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
903
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:30:00 -
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I don't give a kitten.... I going double OP with my commando suit. AR & MD in the same suit....
Over Powering Over Power... is a shame that the Commando suit dies so quickly. |
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